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"Granny" |
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08 Feb 2004 07:51:49 PM |
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Dear Granny's Column |
Dear Granny:
I am in the fifth grade and attend a religious private school. Some of
my friends have parents who do not believe in God and are always
poking fun at me because of this.
Yesterday, my friend, Alice, asked my why I believe in God if I can't
prove there is such a thing. I was kind of stuck for an answer and
didn't know what to tell her. If she pokes fun at me again like this,
what should I tell her?
Sincerely,
Guided by God in Granville
Dear Guided by God in Granville:
Child, your friends sound like they're smarty-pants versions of their
parents. First of all, the next time your "friend" brings this up, ask
her what she believes. And when she tells you, ask HER why she
believes it and to prove to you there is no God. If she actually
proves that to you, please write me back as she will have done
something nobody in the history of mankind has ever done before. So,
maybe it's your friend who is the stupid one.
PS - Get some new friends.
Sincerely,
Dear Granny
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| User: "Denis Loubet" |
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08 Feb 2004 09:22:12 PM |
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"Granny" <AtheistsAreFundies@linkedto.privacyport.com> wrote in message
news:55e7470b.0402081751.6f6809c2@posting.google.com...
Child, your friends sound like they're smarty-pants versions of their
parents. First of all, the next time your "friend" brings this up, ask
her what she believes.
Well, let's see... I'd respond that I believe in the chair I'm sitting in.
And when she tells you, ask HER why she
believes it
I'd have to answer that even though I'm not standing up, my ***** isn't on the
floor. The chair has passed at least one test for being a chair.
and to prove to you there is no God.
What a bizarre request!
I'll have to have a full disclosure of the god's testable qualities if I am
to proceed.
If she actually
proves that to you, please write me back as she will have done
something nobody in the history of mankind has ever done before. So,
maybe it's your friend who is the stupid one.
Well, given the current state of evidence, the friends are the smart ones.
--
Denis Loubet
dloubet@io.com
http://www.io.com/~dloubet
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| User: "Denis Loubet" |
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| Title: Re: Dear Granny's Column |
09 Feb 2004 03:29:37 PM |
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"Denis Loubet" <dloubet@io.com> wrote in message
news:Yumdne94f4RnYbvdRVn-sQ@io.com...
"Granny" <AtheistsAreFundies@linkedto.privacyport.com> wrote in message
news:55e7470b.0402081751.6f6809c2@posting.google.com...
Well, due to it's determined lack of response, Granny has demonstrated
itself to be nothing but a troll.
--
Denis Loubet
dloubet@io.com
http://www.io.com/~dloubet
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| User: "Kate " |
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| Title: Re: Dear Granny's Column |
09 Feb 2004 07:59:11 PM |
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On Mon, 9 Feb 2004 15:29:37 -0600, "Denis Loubet" <dloubet@io.com>
wrote:
"Denis Loubet" <dloubet@io.com> wrote in message
news:Yumdne94f4RnYbvdRVn-sQ@io.com...
"Granny" <AtheistsAreFundies@linkedto.privacyport.com> wrote in message
news:55e7470b.0402081751.6f6809c2@posting.google.com...
Well, due to it's determined lack of response, Granny has demonstrated
itself to be nothing but a troll.
Obviously too frightened of a logical answer to actually respond to
anything.
Poor Granny. Too much of this and she will have to go back to the
rest home to drool some more.
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| User: "Martin Thomas" |
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| Title: Re: Dear Granny's Column |
22 Feb 2004 04:21:53 AM |
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On 9 Feb 2004 19:59:11 -0600 in alt.atheism
cobalt@newscene.com (Kate ) wrote:
On Mon, 9 Feb 2004 15:29:37 -0600, "Denis Loubet" <dloubet@io.com>
wrote:
"Denis Loubet" <dloubet@io.com> wrote in message
news:Yumdne94f4RnYbvdRVn-sQ@io.com...
"Granny" <AtheistsAreFundies@linkedto.privacyport.com> wrote in message
news:55e7470b.0402081751.6f6809c2@posting.google.com...
Well, due to it's determined lack of response, Granny has demonstrated
itself to be nothing but a troll.
Obviously too frightened of a logical answer to actually respond to
anything.
Poor Granny. Too much of this and she will have to go back to the
rest home to drool some more.
In one of her first posts to alt.atheism she said this:
: Listen, Twinky, and listen good. I came into alt.atheism for two
: reasons:
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: (1) Because I felt like it and didn't see any signs that said,
: "Private Club - Only Atheists Get to Speak Here"
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: (2) Because Granny can rattle cages with the very best of 'em. Within
: a week I'll be killfiled by at least a half dozen of you atheist *bad
: asses.*
http://makeashorterlink.com/?S29632C77
but in fact, when it came to exchanging flames, she was
distinctly third rate. And probably the main thing which got her
into people's killfiles was the fact that she ignored any
substantial refutation of her silly arguments.
Incidently, she seems to have nuked most of her posts from the
Google archives. I did a search and only found 2 of them left:
http://makeashorterlink.com/?P52712C77
which probably only survived because she used a different
email address.
So she (or he) was just another cowardly troll, lying for the
Lord. Maybe demented enough to believe a lot of what she wrote,
but phony through and through.
-
Martin Thomas
Official "Teddy Bear" Atheist
mart666t@netscape.NO.HAWKERS.net
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| User: "stoney" |
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24 Feb 2004 10:03:03 AM |
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On Sun, 22 Feb 2004 10:21:53 +0000, Martin Thomas
<mart666t@netscape.NO.HAWKERS.net>, Message ID:
<5dvg309jm28eohpef53n8r1sd9128q8124@4ax.com> wrote in alt.atheism;
On 9 Feb 2004 19:59:11 -0600 in alt.atheism
cobalt@newscene.com (Kate ) wrote:
(snip)
http://makeashorterlink.com/?S29632C77
but in fact, when it came to exchanging flames, she was
distinctly third rate. And probably the main thing which got her
into people's killfiles was the fact that she ignored any
substantial refutation of her silly arguments.
Incidently, she seems to have nuked most of her posts from the
Google archives. I did a search and only found 2 of them left:
http://makeashorterlink.com/?P52712C77
which probably only survived because she used a different
email address.
So she (or he) was just another cowardly troll, lying for the
Lord. Maybe demented enough to believe a lot of what she wrote,
but phony through and through.
-
Martin Thomas
Official "Teddy Bear" Atheist
mart666t@netscape.NO.HAWKERS.net
That's ok as some folks (don't know why they'd bother) could have them
archived on their computers. Further, the text of the troll remains
archived on Google based on people's replies. So, the net result of
having Google erase your posts is almost zero.
Stoney
"Designated Rascal and Rapscallion
and
SCAMPERMEISTER!"
When in doubt, SCAMPER about!
When things are fair, SCAMPER everywhere!
When things are rough, can't SCAMPER enough!
/end humour alert
alt.atheism military veteran #11
{so much for the 'no atheists in foxholes' rubbish}
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| User: "stoney" |
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| Title: Re: Dear Granny's Column |
15 Feb 2004 09:16:59 PM |
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On Mon, 9 Feb 2004 15:29:37 -0600, "Denis Loubet" <dloubet@io.com>,
Message ID: <o5CdnStiXaxHZrrdRVn-hA@io.com> wrote in alt.atheism;
"Denis Loubet" <dloubet@io.com> wrote in message
news:Yumdne94f4RnYbvdRVn-sQ@io.com...
"Granny" <AtheistsAreFundies@linkedto.privacyport.com> wrote in message
news:55e7470b.0402081751.6f6809c2@posting.google.com...
Well, due to it's determined lack of response, Granny has demonstrated
itself to be nothing but a troll.
A mindless one at that. Same mindless clone, different day.
Stoney
"Designated Rascal and Rapscallion
and
SCAMPERMEISTER!"
When in doubt, SCAMPER about!
When things are fair, SCAMPER everywhere!
When things are rough, can't SCAMPER enough!
/end humour alert
alt.atheism military veteran #11
{so much for the 'no atheists in foxholes' rubbish}
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| User: "GoDrex" |
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| Title: Re: Dear Granny's Column |
08 Feb 2004 10:46:21 PM |
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"Granny" <AtheistsAreFundies@linkedto.privacyport.com> wrote in message
news:55e7470b.0402081751.6f6809c2@posting.google.com...
Dear Granny:
I am in the fifth grade and attend a religious private school. Some of
my friends have parents who do not believe in God and are always
poking fun at me because of this.
Yesterday, my friend, Alice, asked my why I believe in God if I can't
prove there is such a thing. I was kind of stuck for an answer and
didn't know what to tell her. If she pokes fun at me again like this,
what should I tell her?
Sincerely,
Guided by God in Granville
Dear Guided by God in Granville:
Child, your friends sound like they're smarty-pants versions of their
parents. First of all, the next time your "friend" brings this up, ask
her what she believes. And when she tells you, ask HER why she
believes it and to prove to you there is no God. If she actually
proves that to you, please write me back as she will have done
something nobody in the history of mankind has ever done before. So,
maybe it's your friend who is the stupid one.
PS - Get some new friends.
Sincerely,
Dear Granny
is this some kind of joke? I bet the person writing it thinks it's so
clever.
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| User: "Doc Smartass" |
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08 Feb 2004 09:06:45 PM |
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(Granny) wrote in
news:55e7470b.0402081751.6f6809c2@posting.google.com:
<snip>
That does it. Your ***** is going back to the home, granny.
--
Dr. Smartass
BAAWA Knight of Heckling -- a.a. #1939
Dissent is not a right.
It is a RESPONSIBILITY.
--me.
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| User: "Woden" |
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08 Feb 2004 08:27:17 PM |
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(Granny) wrote in
news:55e7470b.0402081751.6f6809c2@posting.google.com:
Dear Granny:
I am in the fifth grade and attend a religious private school. Some of
my friends have parents who do not believe in God and are always
poking fun at me because of this.
Yesterday, my friend, Alice, asked my why I believe in God if I can't
prove there is such a thing. I was kind of stuck for an answer and
didn't know what to tell her. If she pokes fun at me again like this,
what should I tell her?
Sincerely,
Guided by God in Granville
Dear Guided by God in Granville:
Child, your friends sound like they're smarty-pants versions of their
parents. First of all, the next time your "friend" brings this up, ask
her what she believes. And when she tells you, ask HER why she
believes it and to prove to you there is no God. If she actually
proves that to you, please write me back as she will have done
something nobody in the history of mankind has ever done before. So,
maybe it's your friend who is the stupid one.
PS - Get some new friends.
Sincerely,
Dear Granny
LOL. If this is the best you can do, then you're going to get real
boring, real fast.
--
Woden
"religion is a socio-political institution for the control of
people's thoughts, lives, and actions; based on
ancient myths and superstitions perpetrated through
generations of subtle yet pervasive brainwashing."
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| User: "Al Klein" |
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| Title: Re: Dear Granny's Column |
08 Feb 2004 10:48:29 PM |
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On Mon, 09 Feb 2004 02:27:17 -0000, Woden <woden@charter.net> posted
in alt.atheism:
LOL. If this is the best you can do, then you're going to get real
boring, real fast.
"Going to get"? Shifting the burden was boring the last 2,000 times
it was posted ... last week.
--
"I don't try to imagine a God; it suffices to stand in awe of the structure of the world
insofar as it allows our inadequate senses to appreciate it."
- Letter to S. Flesch, April 16, 1954; Einstein Archive 30-1154
(random sig, produced by SigChanger)
rukbat at optonline dot net
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| User: "GeoCos" |
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08 Feb 2004 10:50:03 PM |
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(Granny) wrote in
news:55e7470b.0402081751.6f6809c2@posting.google.com:
Dear Granny:
I am in the fifth grade and attend a religious private school. Some of
my friends have parents who do not believe in God and are always
poking fun at me because of this.
Yesterday, my friend, Alice, asked my why I believe in God if I can't
prove there is such a thing. I was kind of stuck for an answer and
didn't know what to tell her. If she pokes fun at me again like this,
what should I tell her?
Sincerely,
Guided by God in Granville
Dear Guided by God in Granville:
Child, your friends sound like they're smarty-pants versions of their
parents. First of all, the next time your "friend" brings this up, ask
her what she believes. And when she tells you, ask HER why she
believes it and to prove to you there is no God. If she actually
proves that to you, please write me back as she will have done
something nobody in the history of mankind has ever done before. So,
maybe it's your friend who is the stupid one.
PS - Get some new friends.
Sincerely,
Dear Granny
The advice is, if people do NOT believe in anything, ask them for proof
for what they DO believe in.
I guess that since you DO believe in god, I can ask you for proof for
what you do NOT believe in.
Sooo...why don't you prove to me there's no such thing as fairies?
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| User: "Maverick" |
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09 Feb 2004 12:40:14 AM |
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(Granny) wrote in
news:55e7470b.0402081751.6f6809c2@posting.google.com:
Dear Granny:
I am in the fifth grade and attend a religious private school. Some of
my friends have parents who do not believe in God and are always
poking fun at me because of this.
Yesterday, my friend, Alice, asked my why I believe in God if I can't
prove there is such a thing. I was kind of stuck for an answer and
didn't know what to tell her. If she pokes fun at me again like this,
what should I tell her?
Sincerely,
Guided by God in Granville
Dear Guided by God in Granville:
Child, your friends sound like they're smarty-pants versions of their
parents. First of all, the next time your "friend" brings this up, ask
her what she believes. And when she tells you, ask HER why she
believes it and to prove to you there is no God. If she actually
proves that to you, please write me back as she will have done
something nobody in the history of mankind has ever done before. So,
maybe it's your friend who is the stupid one.
PS - Get some new friends.
Are your foolish posts intentional or is it something you just can't help?
Atheism is not a belief. You know it, I know it, everyone knows it. And
still, some of you are trying really hard to ignore that fact. Why?
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| User: "Mark K. Bilbo" |
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08 Feb 2004 10:45:53 PM |
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And so upon Sun, 08 Feb 2004 17:51:49 -0800 didst Granny speak thusly:
Dear Granny:
You're a troll aincha?
<plonk>
--
Mark K. Bilbo - a.a. #1423
EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion
"There is no system but GNU, and Linux is one of its kernels."
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| User: "Kate " |
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09 Feb 2004 02:36:13 AM |
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On Sun, 08 Feb 2004 22:45:53 -0600, "Mark K. Bilbo"
<y@hoo.com-amikchi> wrote:
And so upon Sun, 08 Feb 2004 17:51:49 -0800 didst Granny speak thusly:
Dear Granny:
You're a troll aincha?
<plonk>
It's my theory that it's Ann Coulter trolling because she's pissed
that so many atheists don't want to have sex with her and posted it on
the internet. Probably looking for material to misquote in her newest
book.
I decided that because only Ann Coulter would be dumb enough to quote
Ann Coulter.
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| User: "Michelle Malkin" |
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09 Feb 2004 03:32:59 AM |
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"Kate " <cobalt@newscene.com> wrote in message
news:402f4560.44398187@news-west.newscene.com...
On Sun, 08 Feb 2004 22:45:53 -0600, "Mark K. Bilbo"
<y@hoo.com-amikchi> wrote:
And so upon Sun, 08 Feb 2004 17:51:49 -0800 didst Granny speak thusly:
Dear Granny:
You're a troll aincha?
<plonk>
It's my theory that it's Ann Coulter trolling because she's pissed
that so many atheists don't want to have sex with her and posted it on
the internet. Probably looking for material to misquote in her newest
book.
I decided that because only Ann Coulter would be dumb enough to quote
Ann Coulter.
Fundies have quoted her before, but it would be hilarious if it did
turn out to be her. Whoever Granny is, he/she/it is getting asswhipped.
of course, if it's one of our own people trolling the newsgroup, they
aren't getting the the hysteria they're after, either.
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| User: "Kate " |
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09 Feb 2004 09:34:10 AM |
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On Mon, 9 Feb 2004 04:32:59 -0500, "Michelle Malkin"
<hypatiab7@comcast.net> wrote:
"Kate " <cobalt@newscene.com> wrote in message
news:402f4560.44398187@news-west.newscene.com...
On Sun, 08 Feb 2004 22:45:53 -0600, "Mark K. Bilbo"
<y@hoo.com-amikchi> wrote:
And so upon Sun, 08 Feb 2004 17:51:49 -0800 didst Granny speak thusly:
Dear Granny:
You're a troll aincha?
<plonk>
It's my theory that it's Ann Coulter trolling because she's pissed
that so many atheists don't want to have sex with her and posted it on
the internet. Probably looking for material to misquote in her newest
book.
I decided that because only Ann Coulter would be dumb enough to quote
Ann Coulter.
Fundies have quoted her before, but it would be hilarious if it did
turn out to be her. Whoever Granny is, he/she/it is getting asswhipped.
of course, if it's one of our own people trolling the newsgroup, they
aren't getting the the hysteria they're after, either.
This isn't a fundie. He/she/it is too capable of standing apart from
the religion. It's too driven by hate of the thinking person (major
self esteem problems, eh?) and yet still too slick to not be extremely
well practiced at raising emotions. Of course it is falling flat on
his/her/it's face trying it here.
The writing comes across like someone professional, yet still without
any real spark of creativity and forced to rely on the same old tired
arguments. Obviously it's really good at presenting them in a
nonarguable format.
An honestly real troll would have been far more successful. They have
that grain of sincerity that sucks people in.
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| User: "Harry Leopold" |
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10 Feb 2004 05:18:39 AM |
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On Mon, 9 Feb 2004 2:36:13 -0600, Kate wrote
(in message <402f4560.44398187@news-west.newscene.com>):
On Sun, 08 Feb 2004 22:45:53 -0600, "Mark K. Bilbo"
<y@hoo.com-amikchi> wrote:
And so upon Sun, 08 Feb 2004 17:51:49 -0800 didst Granny speak thusly:
Dear Granny:
You're a troll aincha?
<plonk>
It's my theory that it's Ann Coulter trolling because she's pissed
that so many atheists don't want to have sex with her and posted it on
the internet. Probably looking for material to misquote in her newest
book.
I will never be able to sleep without having screaming nightmares again.
Thank you very much.
(Checking phone book for Brain Washing services, there have to be some in
here somewhere.)
I decided that because only Ann Coulter would be dumb enough to quote
Ann Coulter.
--
Harry F. Leopold
aa #2076
AA/Vet #4
The Prints of Darkness
"You think atoms like having a half-life?"
Incenjucar
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| User: "stoney" |
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15 Feb 2004 09:16:59 PM |
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On Tue, 10 Feb 2004 5:18:39 -0600, Harry Leopold <hleopold@cox.net>,
Message ID: <0001HW.BC4E1A2F011B56C6F02845B0@news.central.cox.net> wrote
in alt.atheism;
On Mon, 9 Feb 2004 2:36:13 -0600, Kate wrote
(in message <402f4560.44398187@news-west.newscene.com>):
On Sun, 08 Feb 2004 22:45:53 -0600, "Mark K. Bilbo"
<y@hoo.com-amikchi> wrote:
And so upon Sun, 08 Feb 2004 17:51:49 -0800 didst Granny speak thusly:
Dear Granny:
You're a troll aincha?
<plonk>
It's my theory that it's Ann Coulter trolling because she's pissed
that so many atheists don't want to have sex with her and posted it on
the internet. Probably looking for material to misquote in her newest
book.
I will never be able to sleep without having screaming nightmares again.
Thank you very much.
(Checking phone book for Brain Washing services, there have to be some in
here somewhere.)
Look under Scientology.....
I decided that because only Ann Coulter would be dumb enough to quote
Ann Coulter.
Stoney
"Designated Rascal and Rapscallion
and
SCAMPERMEISTER!"
When in doubt, SCAMPER about!
When things are fair, SCAMPER everywhere!
When things are rough, can't SCAMPER enough!
/end humour alert
alt.atheism military veteran #11
{so much for the 'no atheists in foxholes' rubbish}
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| User: "Martin Thomas" |
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09 Feb 2004 12:16:33 PM |
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On 8 Feb 2004 17:51:49 -0800 in alt.atheism
AtheistsAreFundies@linkedto.privacyport.com (Granny) wrote:
Dear Granny:
I am in the fifth grade and attend a religious private school. Some of
my friends have parents who do not believe in God and are always
poking fun at me because of this.
Yesterday, my friend, Alice, asked my why I believe in God if I can't
prove there is such a thing. I was kind of stuck for an answer and
didn't know what to tell her. If she pokes fun at me again like this,
what should I tell her?
You believe in God and you don't know why you believe in God?
If you try to find out where that belief came from, you might
learn something of great value. It does not really matter so much
if your friend is talking to you very gently or poking fun at
you; she has pointed out to you that you do not understand
yourself very well and that is well worth knowing.
Sincerely,
Guided by God in Granville
Dear Guided by God in Granville:
Child, your friends sound like they're smarty-pants versions of their
parents. First of all, the next time your "friend" brings this up, ask
her what she believes. And when she tells you, ask HER why she
believes it
Good!
If Alice finds that question at all difficult to cope with it
will do her a great deal of good. She has helped you by showing
you that you have lost control of your own mind, so returning the
favor is fine.
Of course, you may find that Alice has got past that already and
has no difficulty whatsoever in answering the question.
and to prove to you there is no God.
WHOA there!! - You are going too fast!
Listen to the answer to the first question before asking another
one. It may be that she does not believe dogmatically 'There is
no God'. It may be that she just does not take the idea at all
seriously.
After all, not even Granny who made you up believes literally in
Santa Claus You might try asking her to prove that Santa Claus
does not exist. But if you do she will probably get annoyed and
call you a liberal and start talking about strange sexual
practices.
If she actually
proves that to you, please write me back as she will have done
something nobody in the history of mankind has ever done before. So,
maybe it's your friend who is the stupid one.
PS - Get some new friends.
Come to alt.atheism.
We can help you to sanity better than Granny can.
-
Martin Thomas
Official "Teddy Bear" Atheist
mart666t@netscape.NO.HAWKERS.net
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| User: "Liz" |
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09 Feb 2004 06:39:41 AM |
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On 8 Feb 2004 17:51:49 -0800,
AtheistsAreFundies@linkedto.privacyport.com (Granny) in news message
<55e7470b.0402081751.6f6809c2@posting.google.com> wrote:
Dear Granny:
I am in the fifth grade and attend a religious private school. Some of
my friends have parents who do not believe in God and are always
poking fun at me because of this.
Yesterday, my friend, Alice, asked my why I believe in God if I can't
prove there is such a thing. I was kind of stuck for an answer and
didn't know what to tell her. If she pokes fun at me again like this,
what should I tell her?
Sincerely,
Guided by God in Granville
Dear Guided by God in Granville:
Tell her that if you don't believe in God®, you might as well not
believe in fairies!
Yes, Guided, there is a God®. He exists as certainly as your
imagination and in all the wonderful supernatural things that you
believe that he can do. Just because you can't distinguish the
difference between an answered prayer and an unanswered prayer, you
shouldn't stop believing in the God® that performs all the miracles we
see, or in reality don't see, every day. But we can imagine that we
see them, and that's all that counts.
If it gives you comfort to believe that your Granny is in a "better
place" now that all the prayers and healing rituals have failed and
she died in spite of God®'s great love for her, that's fine even if
you can't explain it. If it makes you feel good to think that all of
man's worldly science is wrong if it contradicts what you believe even
if you have nothing to support your opinions, you just proudly hold
your Bible in front of you and tell your friend that you have the Holy
Word© of God® in your hand, and that you have the right to believe
anything you want whether it is true or not.
To people who truly have faith, it is more important in this world to
believe you are right than to actually be right. So, you just tell
your friend that God® is mysterious and incomprehensible, and that if
she doesn't believe in God® she is going to go to Hell and suffer the
tortures of the damned. For where else would the beauty, compassion,
and love in this world come from, if not from God®?
Best wishes,
Auntie Liz
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| User: "Elroy Willis" |
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09 Feb 2004 06:51:43 AM |
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Liz <ehuth1@donotspam.com> wrote in alt.atheism
Granny in news message
Dear Granny:
I am in the fifth grade and attend a religious private school. Some of
my friends have parents who do not believe in God and are always
poking fun at me because of this.
Yesterday, my friend, Alice, asked my why I believe in God if I can't
prove there is such a thing. I was kind of stuck for an answer and
didn't know what to tell her. If she pokes fun at me again like this,
what should I tell her?
Sincerely,
Guided by God in Granville
Dear Guided by God in Granville:
Tell her that if you don't believe in God®, you might as well not
believe in fairies!
Yes, Guided, there is a God®. He exists as certainly as your
imagination and in all the wonderful supernatural things that you
believe that he can do. Just because you can't distinguish the
difference between an answered prayer and an unanswered prayer, you
shouldn't stop believing in the God® that performs all the miracles we
see, or in reality don't see, every day. But we can imagine that we
see them, and that's all that counts.
If it gives you comfort to believe that your Granny is in a "better
place" now that all the prayers and healing rituals have failed and
she died in spite of God®'s great love for her, that's fine even if
you can't explain it. If it makes you feel good to think that all of
man's worldly science is wrong if it contradicts what you believe even
if you have nothing to support your opinions, you just proudly hold
your Bible in front of you and tell your friend that you have the Holy
Word© of God® in your hand, and that you have the right to believe
anything you want whether it is true or not.
To people who truly have faith, it is more important in this world to
believe you are right than to actually be right. So, you just tell
your friend that God® is mysterious and incomprehensible, and that if
she doesn't believe in God® she is going to go to Hell and suffer the
tortures of the damned. For where else would the beauty, compassion,
and love in this world come from, if not from God®?
Best wishes,
Auntie Liz
Hmm, I'm wondering if that response might actually get cheers
from the fundies, instead of being recognized as sarcasm.
--
Elroy Willis
EAP Chief Editor and Newshound
http://web2.airmail.net/~elo/news
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| User: "Liz" |
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09 Feb 2004 05:34:08 PM |
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On Mon, 09 Feb 2004 12:51:43 GMT, Elroy Willis <elo@airmail.net> in
news message <070f201l6jicf5svc1m6splr1oho6t602r@4ax.com> wrote:
[----]
Hmm, I'm wondering if that response might actually get cheers
from the fundies, instead of being recognized as sarcasm.
LOL Rather like a certain rapture story?
Überwench #658 Now a *real* atheist!
Dame Liz the Undaunted BAAWA
Charter Member of SMASH
and Queen of the known universe
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| User: "Mark Richardson" |
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09 Feb 2004 06:32:16 PM |
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On Mon, 09 Feb 2004 12:39:41 GMT, Liz <ehuth1@donotspam.com> wrote:
On 8 Feb 2004 17:51:49 -0800,
AtheistsAreFundies@linkedto.privacyport.com (Granny) in news message
<55e7470b.0402081751.6f6809c2@posting.google.com> wrote:
Dear Granny:
I am in the fifth grade and attend a religious private school. Some of
my friends have parents who do not believe in God and are always
poking fun at me because of this.
Yesterday, my friend, Alice, asked my why I believe in God if I can't
prove there is such a thing. I was kind of stuck for an answer and
didn't know what to tell her. If she pokes fun at me again like this,
what should I tell her?
Sincerely,
Guided by God in Granville
Dear Guided by God in Granville:
Tell her that if you don't believe in God®, you might as well not
believe in fairies!
Yes, Guided, there is a God®. He exists as certainly as your
imagination and in all the wonderful supernatural things that you
believe that he can do. Just because you can't distinguish the
difference between an answered prayer and an unanswered prayer, you
shouldn't stop believing in the God® that performs all the miracles we
see, or in reality don't see, every day. But we can imagine that we
see them, and that's all that counts.
If it gives you comfort to believe that your Granny is in a "better
place" now that all the prayers and healing rituals have failed and
she died in spite of God®'s great love for her, that's fine even if
you can't explain it. If it makes you feel good to think that all of
man's worldly science is wrong if it contradicts what you believe even
if you have nothing to support your opinions, you just proudly hold
your Bible in front of you and tell your friend that you have the Holy
Word© of God® in your hand, and that you have the right to believe
anything you want whether it is true or not.
To people who truly have faith, it is more important in this world to
believe you are right than to actually be right. So, you just tell
your friend that God® is mysterious and incomprehensible, and that if
she doesn't believe in God® she is going to go to Hell and suffer the
tortures of the damned. For where else would the beauty, compassion,
and love in this world come from, if not from God®?
Best wishes,
Auntie Liz
You still got it Liz.
Smarts with STYLE.
We are not worthy!
Mark.
--
Mark Richardson mDOTrichardsonATutasDOTeduDOTau
Member of S.M.A.S.H.
(Sarcastic Middle aged Atheists with a Sense of Humour)
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| User: "Liz" |
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09 Feb 2004 07:03:40 PM |
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On Tue, 10 Feb 2004 00:32:16 GMT, Mark Richardson
<mark.richardson@die.spammers.die> in news message
<ek9g20l81qq05adsr777ip801o4k9fpbb4@4ax.com> wrote:
[-----]
You still got it Liz.
Smarts with STYLE.
We are not worthy!
Of course you are worthy. You may kiss my hand.
Granny, however, can kiss something else.
Überwench #658 Now a *real* atheist!
Dame Liz the Undaunted BAAWA
Charter Member of SMASH
and Queen of the known universe
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| User: "Mark Richardson" |
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09 Feb 2004 10:00:32 PM |
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On Tue, 10 Feb 2004 01:03:40 GMT, Liz <ehuth1@donotspam.com> wrote:
On Tue, 10 Feb 2004 00:32:16 GMT, Mark Richardson
<mark.richardson@die.spammers.die> in news message
<ek9g20l81qq05adsr777ip801o4k9fpbb4@4ax.com> wrote:
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You still got it Liz.
Smarts with STYLE.
We are not worthy!
Of course you are worthy. You may kiss my hand.
*blush*
Granny, however, can kiss something else.
8-)
--
Mark Richardson mDOTrichardsonATutasDOTeduDOTau
Member of S.M.A.S.H.
(Sarcastic Middle aged Atheists with a Sense of Humour)
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| User: "stoney" |
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15 Feb 2004 09:17:01 PM |
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On Tue, 10 Feb 2004 01:03:40 GMT, Liz <ehuth1@donotspam.com>, Message
ID: <51bg20l54ripr92hlfoge9cr9ri8b65qcv@4ax.com> wrote in alt.atheism;
On Tue, 10 Feb 2004 00:32:16 GMT, Mark Richardson
<mark.richardson@die.spammers.die> in news message
<ek9g20l81qq05adsr777ip801o4k9fpbb4@4ax.com> wrote:
[-----]
You still got it Liz.
Smarts with STYLE.
We are not worthy!
Of course you are worthy. You may kiss my hand.
Granny, however, can kiss something else.
Bend over and crack a smile reeeeaaallll wide for her.. :)
Stoney
"Designated Rascal and Rapscallion
and
SCAMPERMEISTER!"
When in doubt, SCAMPER about!
When things are fair, SCAMPER everywhere!
When things are rough, can't SCAMPER enough!
/end humour alert
alt.atheism military veteran #11
{so much for the 'no atheists in foxholes' rubbish}
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| User: "raven1" |
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08 Feb 2004 11:52:39 PM |
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On 8 Feb 2004 17:51:49 -0800,
AtheistsAreFundies@linkedto.privacyport.com (Granny) wrote:
And when she tells you, ask HER why she
believes it and to prove to you there is no God.
Ask her to prove there's no elves, dragons, or goblins while she's at
it. She can't. Yet no rational person believes that they exist. Why
does the idea of "God" get a free pass on the question?
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| User: "stoney" |
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15 Feb 2004 09:16:59 PM |
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On Mon, 09 Feb 2004 05:52:39 GMT, raven1 <quoththeraven@nevermore.com>,
Message ID: <is7e20pqdtotg179elh0t31l9a05f5anvd@4ax.com> wrote in
alt.atheism;
On 8 Feb 2004 17:51:49 -0800,
AtheistsAreFundies@linkedto.privacyport.com (Granny) wrote:
And when she tells you, ask HER why she
believes it and to prove to you there is no God.
Ask her to prove there's no elves, dragons, or goblins while she's at
it. She can't. Yet no rational person believes that they exist. Why
does the idea of "God" get a free pass on the question?
The eternal torture by a loving, compassionate, universe-spanning
drooling idiot that can't even find it's arse using both hands and a
roadmap.
Stoney
"Designated Rascal and Rapscallion
and
SCAMPERMEISTER!"
When in doubt, SCAMPER about!
When things are fair, SCAMPER everywhere!
When things are rough, can't SCAMPER enough!
/end humour alert
alt.atheism military veteran #11
{so much for the 'no atheists in foxholes' rubbish}
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| User: "dgillesp" |
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09 Feb 2004 07:27:05 AM |
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raven1 wrote:
On 8 Feb 2004 17:51:49 -0800,
AtheistsAreFundies@linkedto.privacyport.com (Granny) wrote:
And when she tells you, ask HER why she
believes it and to prove to you there is no God.
Ask her to prove there's no elves, dragons, or goblins while she's at
it. She can't. Yet no rational person believes that they exist. Why
does the idea of "God" get a free pass on the question?
How about: "This is the exception to the rule that proves the rule."
methodios (Denny)
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| User: "John Baker" |
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09 Feb 2004 02:24:31 PM |
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"dgillesp" <dgillesp@pemtel.net> wrote in message
news:40278AA9.557838F1@pemtel.net...
raven1 wrote:
On 8 Feb 2004 17:51:49 -0800,
AtheistsAreFundies@linkedto.privacyport.com (Granny) wrote:
And when she tells you, ask HER why she
believes it and to prove to you there is no God.
Ask her to prove there's no elves, dragons, or goblins while she's at
it. She can't. Yet no rational person believes that they exist. Why
does the idea of "God" get a free pass on the question?
How about: "This is the exception to the rule that proves the rule."
There's no such thing as "the exception that proves the rule", Denny. The
very idea makes no sense whatever. It's nothing more than a way of trying to
avoid ever having to admit you're wrong.
methodios (Denny)
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