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"Jim Roberts" |
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26 Mar 2007 02:46:53 PM |
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Death and the Chickening Out Phenomenon |
Imagine a 30 year old dedicated Atheist in a hospital, dying of some
horrible, incurable disease. How many given this situation would
"chicken out" at the last minute and call for the priest?
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| User: "stumper" |
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| Title: something powerful happened to the historical Jesus |
28 Mar 2007 03:15:16 PM |
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skyeyes wrote:
On Mar 27, 7:07 pm, stumper <stum...@newvessel.com> wrote:
skyeyes wrote:
<Shrug> I faced down death and didn't do that. I didn't even feel
fear at the thought of my own imminent death - merely annoyance,
because there would be so much I was to leave undone.
Brenda Nelson, A.A.#34
EAC Professor of Feline Thermometrics and Cat-Herding
skyeyes at dakotacom dot net
Good for you.
Some people just don't need
to believe in anything to live well.
I believe in lots of things - just nothing supernatural.
But, would you be interested in
"meeting" the atheistic God,
if you don't have to believe
in miracles or the supernatural?
"Atheistic God" is a contradiction in terms. Atheists have no gods.
Hence the term ("a-theism," literally "without a god").
Brenda Nelson, A.A.#34
EAC Professor of Feline Thermometrics and Cat-Herding
skyeyes at dakotacom dot net
We all know that, but there are
such self-contradictory things even in nature.
It's just a working hypothesis anyway.
Specific to Christianity, it comes down to this:
Even if we remove all miracles and supernatural allusions,
something powerful happened to the historical Jesus.
Are you interested in finding out what happened?
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~Stumper
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| User: "Steve O" |
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| Title: Re: something powerful happened to the historical Jesus |
28 Mar 2007 03:30:32 PM |
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"stumper" <stumper@newvessel.com> wrote in message
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skyeyes wrote:
On Mar 27, 7:07 pm, stumper <stum...@newvessel.com> wrote:
skyeyes wrote:
<Shrug> I faced down death and didn't do that. I didn't even feel
fear at the thought of my own imminent death - merely annoyance,
because there would be so much I was to leave undone.
Brenda Nelson, A.A.#34
EAC Professor of Feline Thermometrics and Cat-Herding
skyeyes at dakotacom dot net
Good for you.
Some people just don't need
to believe in anything to live well.
I believe in lots of things - just nothing supernatural.
But, would you be interested in
"meeting" the atheistic God,
if you don't have to believe
in miracles or the supernatural?
"Atheistic God" is a contradiction in terms. Atheists have no gods.
Hence the term ("a-theism," literally "without a god").
Brenda Nelson, A.A.#34
EAC Professor of Feline Thermometrics and Cat-Herding
skyeyes at dakotacom dot net
We all know that, but there are
such self-contradictory things even in nature.
It's just a working hypothesis anyway.
Specific to Christianity, it comes down to this:
Even if we remove all miracles and supernatural allusions,
something powerful happened to the historical Jesus.
There is nothing historical about Jesus- he doen't appear in tany history
books, he only appears in that one mythology book you seem to think so much
of.
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Steve O
a.a. #2240 (Apatheist Chapter)
B.A.A.W.A.
Convicted by Earthquack
"The only problem with Baptists is that they don't hold them underwater long
enough"
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| User: "stumper" |
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| Title: Re: something powerful happened to the historical Jesus |
28 Mar 2007 05:05:38 PM |
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Steve O wrote:
"stumper" <stumper@newvessel.com> wrote in message
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skyeyes wrote:
On Mar 27, 7:07 pm, stumper <stum...@newvessel.com> wrote:
skyeyes wrote:
<Shrug> I faced down death and didn't do that. I didn't even feel
fear at the thought of my own imminent death - merely annoyance,
because there would be so much I was to leave undone.
Brenda Nelson, A.A.#34
EAC Professor of Feline Thermometrics and Cat-Herding
skyeyes at dakotacom dot net
Good for you.
Some people just don't need
to believe in anything to live well.
I believe in lots of things - just nothing supernatural.
But, would you be interested in
"meeting" the atheistic God,
if you don't have to believe
in miracles or the supernatural?
"Atheistic God" is a contradiction in terms. Atheists have no gods.
Hence the term ("a-theism," literally "without a god").
Brenda Nelson, A.A.#34
EAC Professor of Feline Thermometrics and Cat-Herding
skyeyes at dakotacom dot net
We all know that, but there are
such self-contradictory things even in nature.
It's just a working hypothesis anyway.
Specific to Christianity, it comes down to this:
Even if we remove all miracles and supernatural allusions,
something powerful happened to the historical Jesus.
There is nothing historical about Jesus- he doen't appear in tany history
books, he only appears in that one mythology book you seem to think so much
of.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Historicity_of_jesus
"Most scholars in the fields of biblical studies
and history agree that Jesus was a Jewish teacher
from Galilee who was regarded as a healer,
was baptized by John the Baptist,
was accused of sedition against the Roman Empire,
and on the orders of Roman Governor Pontius Pilate
was sentenced to death by crucifixion.
A small minority argue that Jesus never existed
as a historical figure, but merely as a metaphorical
or mythical figure syncretized from various
non-Abrahamic deities and heroes."
I don't quite feel up to debate this now.
How about you?
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~Stumper
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| User: "Gospel Bretts" |
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| Title: Re: something powerful happened to the historical Jesus |
29 Mar 2007 10:55:57 PM |
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On Wed, 28 Mar 2007 16:15:16 -0400, stumper <stumper@newvessel.com>
wrote:
skyeyes wrote:
On Mar 27, 7:07 pm, stumper <stum...@newvessel.com> wrote:
skyeyes wrote:
<Shrug> I faced down death and didn't do that. I didn't even feel
fear at the thought of my own imminent death - merely annoyance,
because there would be so much I was to leave undone.
Brenda Nelson, A.A.#34
EAC Professor of Feline Thermometrics and Cat-Herding
skyeyes at dakotacom dot net
Good for you.
Some people just don't need
to believe in anything to live well.
I believe in lots of things - just nothing supernatural.
But, would you be interested in
"meeting" the atheistic God,
if you don't have to believe
in miracles or the supernatural?
"Atheistic God" is a contradiction in terms. Atheists have no gods.
Hence the term ("a-theism," literally "without a god").
Brenda Nelson, A.A.#34
EAC Professor of Feline Thermometrics and Cat-Herding
skyeyes at dakotacom dot net
We all know that, but there are
such self-contradictory things even in nature.
It's just a working hypothesis anyway.
Specific to Christianity, it comes down to this:
Even if we remove all miracles and supernatural allusions,
something powerful happened to the historical Jesus.
Not really, stumper. It's just a made-up story that people swallowed,
is all.
___________________
Gospel Bretts
a.a. atheist #2262
Fundy Xian Atheist
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| User: "stumper" |
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| Title: Re: something powerful happened to the historical Jesus |
29 Mar 2007 11:16:58 PM |
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Gospel Bretts wrote:
On Wed, 28 Mar 2007 16:15:16 -0400, stumper <stumper@newvessel.com>
wrote:
skyeyes wrote:
On Mar 27, 7:07 pm, stumper <stum...@newvessel.com> wrote:
skyeyes wrote:
<Shrug> I faced down death and didn't do that. I didn't even feel
fear at the thought of my own imminent death - merely annoyance,
because there would be so much I was to leave undone.
Brenda Nelson, A.A.#34
EAC Professor of Feline Thermometrics and Cat-Herding
skyeyes at dakotacom dot net
Good for you.
Some people just don't need
to believe in anything to live well.
I believe in lots of things - just nothing supernatural.
But, would you be interested in
"meeting" the atheistic God,
if you don't have to believe
in miracles or the supernatural?
"Atheistic God" is a contradiction in terms. Atheists have no gods.
Hence the term ("a-theism," literally "without a god").
Brenda Nelson, A.A.#34
EAC Professor of Feline Thermometrics and Cat-Herding
skyeyes at dakotacom dot net
We all know that, but there are
such self-contradictory things even in nature.
It's just a working hypothesis anyway.
Specific to Christianity, it comes down to this:
Even if we remove all miracles and supernatural allusions,
something powerful happened to the historical Jesus.
Not really, stumper. It's just a made-up story that people swallowed,
is all.
___________________
People are not as dumb as you think.
I suspect that the big majority of Christians of all ages
were just tagging along without any real faith.
That majority includes plenty of power elites and even some popes.
On the other hands, there is definitely something "holy."
But relying on it for the control of this world would be disastrous.
We need absolute separation of church and state.
We need absolute separation of science and religion as well.
Even after that, we would still have some professional seekers.
I might be one of them.
How about you?
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~Stumper
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| User: "Mark K. Bilbo" |
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| Title: Re: something powerful happened to the historical Jesus |
30 Mar 2007 09:20:07 PM |
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On Fri, 30 Mar 2007 01:16:58 -0400, stumper wrote:
People are not as dumb as you think.
You, on the other hand, are at *least as dumb as we think...
--
Mark K. Bilbo a.a. #1423
EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion
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"The whole aim of practical politics is to keep the populace
alarmed (and hence clamorous to be led to safety) by menacing
it with an endless series of hobgoblins, all of them imaginary."
- H. L. Mencken
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| User: "Dubh Ghall" |
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| Title: Re: Death and the Chickening Out Phenomenon |
28 Mar 2007 12:17:43 PM |
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On Tue, 27 Mar 2007 22:07:57 -0400, stumper <stumper@newvessel.com>
wrote:
Some people just don't need
to believe in anything to live well.
What's this?
Is it possible that stumpy is actually *learning something?
--
The spelling Like any opinion stated here
purely my own
#162 BAAWA Knight.
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| User: "Phil MacDouglass" |
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| Title: Re: Death and the Chickening Out Phenomenon |
01 Apr 2007 12:28:37 AM |
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brenda, when did you face down death? had a car accident?
~Mary Stewart
~Phil MacDouglass
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| User: "curlyred" |
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| Title: Re: Death and the Chickening Out Phenomenon |
26 Mar 2007 04:30:44 PM |
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On Mar 26, 3:41 pm, "Jim Roberts" <cjdrobe...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Mar 26, 8:55 pm, "Lee" <me@localhost> wrote:
"Jim Roberts" <cjdrobe...@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1174938413.128201.129410@n59g2000hsh.googlegroups.com...
Imagine a 30 year old dedicated Atheist in a hospital, dying of some
horrible, incurable disease. How many given this situation would
"chicken out" at the last minute and call for the priest?
If you don't believe in an afterlife there is nothing to chicken out of and
what could be worse when your gasping your last, perhaps having a final
laugh and a joke with the nurse then some holyman comes in and starts
chanting mumbo jumbo over your fast failing body?
Lee
That's it. Atheism is so mind-numbingly boring, nothing more than the
"idol" in the temple with the empty pedestal representing no god.
Atheism makes one feel so small. Atheism gives no pride in or to Life
or living. Just die and that's that! Just die you insignificant speck
in the Universe. Your remains will disposed of hygienically.
It's the certainty with which Atheists declare their position which
frightens me. They seem have no doubts about what they say at all.
That's not human. That's not natural.
I just don't believe all so-called Atheists are die-hards, a large
proportion will "chicken out" at the last minute, even if only to dive
into the bedside locker in the hospital to find a copy of the Gideon
Bible or Koran or whatever.
Are you saying that it is unnatural for people not to share your
belief in God?
Or are you saying that it is unnatural for people to not have doubts
about their convictions?
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| User: "Hatter" |
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| Title: Re: Death and the Chickening Out Phenomenon |
30 Mar 2007 08:52:27 AM |
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On Mar 26, 4:41 pm, "Jim Roberts" <cjdrobe...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Mar 26, 8:55 pm, "Lee" <me@localhost> wrote:
"Jim Roberts" <cjdrobe...@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1174938413.128201.129410@n59g2000hsh.googlegroups.com...
Imagine a 30 year old dedicated Atheist in a hospital, dying of some
horrible, incurable disease. How many given this situation would
"chicken out" at the last minute and call for the priest?
If you don't believe in an afterlife there is nothing to chicken out of and
what could be worse when your gasping your last, perhaps having a final
laugh and a joke with the nurse then some holyman comes in and starts
chanting mumbo jumbo over your fast failing body?
Lee
That's it. Atheism is so mind-numbingly boring, nothing more than the
"idol" in the temple with the empty pedestal representing no god.
Um, "not collecting stamps" is not a hobby.
Atheism makes one feel so small. Just die and that's that! Just die you insignificant >speck in the Universe. Your remains will disposed of hygienically.
And lying changes this how?
It's the certainty with which Atheists declare their position which
frightens me. They seem have no doubts about what they say at all.
That's not human. That's not natural.
Yes fear and doubt is natural. How does that make the pack of lies
that constitute any religion true?
I just don't believe all so-called Atheists are die-hards, a large
proportion will "chicken out" at the last minute, even if only to dive
into the bedside locker in the hospital to find a copy of the Gideon
Bible or Koran or whatever.
Again fear and grasping and straws will not change the reality of the
situation.
I will die. I will probably "chicken out." You see I fully understand
when pushed to extremes, I can become irrational and desperate. Dying
is about the most "pushed to extremes" a person can be.
It still does not change reality. I will save my mind from
irrationality as long as I can; if it goes in the last fifteen
minutes...well dosen't make much difference then, does it?
I still didn't waste all of it chasing shadows like you have.
Hatter
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| User: "Lucifer" |
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26 Mar 2007 03:51:01 PM |
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On Mar 26, 9:41 pm, "Jim Roberts" <cjdrobe...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Mar 26, 8:55 pm, "Lee" <me@localhost> wrote:
"Jim Roberts" <cjdrobe...@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1174938413.128201.129410@n59g2000hsh.googlegroups.com...
Imagine a 30 year old dedicated Atheist in a hospital, dying of some
horrible, incurable disease. How many given this situation would
"chicken out" at the last minute and call for the priest?
If you don't believe in an afterlife there is nothing to chicken out of and
what could be worse when your gasping your last, perhaps having a final
laugh and a joke with the nurse then some holyman comes in and starts
chanting mumbo jumbo over your fast failing body?
Lee
That's it. Atheism is so mind-numbingly boring, nothing more than the
"idol" in the temple with the empty pedestal representing no god.
Atheism makes one feel so small. Atheism gives no pride in or to Life
or living. Just die and that's that! Just die you insignificant speck
in the Universe. Your remains will disposed of hygienically.
It's the certainty with which Atheists declare their position which
frightens me. They seem have no doubts about what they say at all.
That's not human. That's not natural.
I just don't believe all so-called Atheists are die-hards, a large
proportion will "chicken out" at the last minute, even if only to dive
into the bedside locker in the hospital to find a copy of the Gideon
Bible or Koran or whatever.
Look, moron, we don't share your delusions. Simple as that. There are
many books better than the bible or koran.
--
Lucifer the Unsubtle, EAC Librarian of Dark Tomes of Excessive Evil
and General Purpose Igor
The Anti-Theist, BAAWA Lowly Evilmeister and tamer of the Demon Duck
of Doom
Convicted by Earthquack
"Don't worry, I won't bite.......hard"
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| User: "stumper" |
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| Title: Re: Death and the Chickening Out Phenomenon |
26 Mar 2007 04:20:49 PM |
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Lucifer wrote:
On Mar 26, 9:41 pm, "Jim Roberts" <cjdrobe...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Mar 26, 8:55 pm, "Lee" <me@localhost> wrote:
"Jim Roberts" <cjdrobe...@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1174938413.128201.129410@n59g2000hsh.googlegroups.com...
Imagine a 30 year old dedicated Atheist in a hospital, dying of some
horrible, incurable disease. How many given this situation would
"chicken out" at the last minute and call for the priest?
If you don't believe in an afterlife there is nothing to chicken out of and
what could be worse when your gasping your last, perhaps having a final
laugh and a joke with the nurse then some holyman comes in and starts
chanting mumbo jumbo over your fast failing body?
Lee
That's it. Atheism is so mind-numbingly boring, nothing more than the
"idol" in the temple with the empty pedestal representing no god.
Atheism makes one feel so small. Atheism gives no pride in or to Life
or living. Just die and that's that! Just die you insignificant speck
in the Universe. Your remains will disposed of hygienically.
It's the certainty with which Atheists declare their position which
frightens me. They seem have no doubts about what they say at all.
That's not human. That's not natural.
I just don't believe all so-called Atheists are die-hards, a large
proportion will "chicken out" at the last minute, even if only to dive
into the bedside locker in the hospital to find a copy of the Gideon
Bible or Koran or whatever.
Look, moron, we don't share your delusions. Simple as that. There are
many books better than the bible or koran.
Does your idol no-god want to call people names?
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~Stumper
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| User: "Jim Roberts" |
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| Title: Re: Death and the Chickening Out Phenomenon |
26 Mar 2007 04:01:54 PM |
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On Mar 26, 9:51 pm, "Lucifer" <wyrdol...@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Mar 26, 9:41 pm, "Jim Roberts" <cjdrobe...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Mar 26, 8:55 pm, "Lee" <me@localhost> wrote:
"Jim Roberts" <cjdrobe...@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1174938413.128201.129410@n59g2000hsh.googlegroups.com...
Imagine a 30 year old dedicated Atheist in a hospital, dying of some
horrible, incurable disease. How many given this situation would
"chicken out" at the last minute and call for the priest?
If you don't believe in an afterlife there is nothing to chicken out of and
what could be worse when your gasping your last, perhaps having a final
laugh and a joke with the nurse then some holyman comes in and starts
chanting mumbo jumbo over your fast failing body?
Lee
That's it. Atheism is so mind-numbingly boring, nothing more than the
"idol" in the temple with the empty pedestal representing no god.
Atheism makes one feel so small. Atheism gives no pride in or to Life
or living. Just die and that's that! Just die you insignificant speck
in the Universe. Your remains will disposed of hygienically.
It's the certainty with which Atheists declare their position which
frightens me. They seem have no doubts about what they say at all.
That's not human. That's not natural.
I just don't believe all so-called Atheists are die-hards, a large
proportion will "chicken out" at the last minute, even if only to dive
into the bedside locker in the hospital to find a copy of the Gideon
Bible or Koran or whatever.
Look, moron, we don't share your delusions. Simple as that. There are
many books better than the bible or koran.
--
Lucifer the Unsubtle, EAC Librarian of Dark Tomes of Excessive Evil
and General Purpose Igor
The Anti-Theist, BAAWA Lowly Evilmeister and tamer of the Demon Duck
of Doom
Convicted by Earthquack
"Don't worry, I won't bite.......hard"
Look moron! You don't understand human beings. Simple as that.
Given your "signature" you clearly live in a Hell of a fantasy world,
all by yourself.
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| Title: Re: Death and the Chickening Out Phenomenon |
26 Mar 2007 07:26:15 PM |
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"Jim Roberts" <cjdroberts@gmail.com> wrote in message
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Look moron! You don't understand human beings. Simple as that.
Look moron! You're not a quarter as smart as you think you are. Grow up
and deal.
--
Robyn
Resident Witchypoo
BAAWA Knight!
#1557
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| User: "Harry F. Leopold" |
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| Title: Re: Death and the Chickening Out Phenomenon |
27 Mar 2007 04:56:15 AM |
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On Mon, 26 Mar 2007 19:26:15 -0500, Robibnikoff wrote
(in article <56r6kpF2a8kgoU1@mid.individual.net>):
"Jim Roberts" <cjdroberts@gmail.com> wrote in message
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Look moron! You don't understand human beings. Simple as that.
Look moron! You're not a quarter as smart as you think you are. Grow up
and deal.
Not even close to a quarter as smart as he thinks he is, I went through
almost exactly his scene in his opening post, other than my being 50 instead
of 30. One minute I was talking to one of the nurses and the next everything
went gray and PAIN, pain such as I had never had before, and I did not call
out for Jim Roberts' god. I did call out for Diane, And Krishna.
And the pain kept growing and the gray got grayer until everything went away
including myself.
And about an hour or so later the world came back and Diane was there, as was
the doctor, who had a happy smile on his face. Things had gone exactly as he
had predicted they would and I was going to be much better shortly.
(There are times I really don't like Dr. Krishna, too damned smart for my own
good.)
--
Harry F. Leopold
aa #2076
AA/Vet #4
The Prints of Darkness
(remove gene to email)
³Not to mention hemorrhoids are trick of the devil! It just couldn't be true
we're still adapting to walking upright. That just can't be the explanation!
God, after all, makes perfect assholes...³ - Mark K. Bilbo
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| Title: Re: Death and the Chickening Out Phenomenon |
27 Mar 2007 11:37:40 AM |
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"Harry F. Leopold" <hleopold@coxyx.net> wrote in message
news:0001HW.C22E546F0006B60BF0284530@news.central.cox.net...
On Mon, 26 Mar 2007 19:26:15 -0500, Robibnikoff wrote
(in article <56r6kpF2a8kgoU1@mid.individual.net>):
"Jim Roberts" <cjdroberts@gmail.com> wrote in message
snip
Look moron! You don't understand human beings. Simple as that.
Look moron! You're not a quarter as smart as you think you are. Grow up
and deal.
Not even close to a quarter as smart as he thinks he is, I went through
almost exactly his scene in his opening post, other than my being 50
instead
of 30. One minute I was talking to one of the nurses and the next
everything
went gray and PAIN, pain such as I had never had before, and I did not
call
out for Jim Roberts' god. I did call out for Diane, And Krishna.
And the pain kept growing and the gray got grayer until everything went
away
including myself.
And about an hour or so later the world came back and Diane was there, as
was
the doctor, who had a happy smile on his face. Things had gone exactly as
he
had predicted they would and I was going to be much better shortly.
(There are times I really don't like Dr. Krishna, too damned smart for my
own
good.)
Ha! :)
--
Robyn
Resident Witchypoo
BAAWA Knight!
#1557
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| User: "Harry F. Leopold" |
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| Title: Re: Death and the Chickening Out Phenomenon |
27 Mar 2007 04:47:27 PM |
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On Tue, 27 Mar 2007 11:37:40 -0500, Robibnikoff wrote
(in article <56sv7oF2atf39U1@mid.individual.net>):
"Harry F. Leopold" <hleopold@coxyx.net> wrote in message
news:0001HW.C22E546F0006B60BF0284530@news.central.cox.net...
On Mon, 26 Mar 2007 19:26:15 -0500, Robibnikoff wrote
(in article <56r6kpF2a8kgoU1@mid.individual.net>):
"Jim Roberts" <cjdroberts@gmail.com> wrote in message
snip
Look moron! You don't understand human beings. Simple as that.
Look moron! You're not a quarter as smart as you think you are. Grow up
and deal.
Not even close to a quarter as smart as he thinks he is, I went through
almost exactly his scene in his opening post, other than my being 50
instead
of 30. One minute I was talking to one of the nurses and the next
everything
went gray and PAIN, pain such as I had never had before, and I did not
call
out for Jim Roberts' god. I did call out for Diane, And Krishna.
And the pain kept growing and the gray got grayer until everything went
away
including myself.
And about an hour or so later the world came back and Diane was there, as
was
the doctor, who had a happy smile on his face. Things had gone exactly as
he
had predicted they would and I was going to be much better shortly.
(There are times I really don't like Dr. Krishna, too damned smart for my
own
good.)
Ha! :)
Believe me, that is his name. And he had been waiting for me to have that
pain spasm, but never warned either myself or the nurses, who were all as
worried as Diane became when they called her to hurry to the hospital because
I looked so bad. It may have looked nasty to me from the inside, I guess it
was ever worse looking from the outside, even several of the experienced
nurses thought I was not going to make it.
Damned Krishna came in with the medication already prepared for me and I am
told I started looking better within minutes. It was all he was waiting for
after my surgery. Once it happened it told him my guts were starting to work
again.
Think of the absolute worse gut-ache you have ever had, and spread the pain
over your entire body. Now triple it. That is what it started at and it got
worse by the second.
I will take 12 hours of one of my cluster headaches at its worse than take a
minute of this pain again.
--
Harry F. Leopold
aa #2076
AA/Vet #4
The Prints of Darkness
(remove gene to email)
Imagine you're made of watches, walking on a beach made of watches, as wave
after wave of watches wash up on the shore under a beautiful summer sky made
of watches with puffy watches drifting by. Suddenly you spy a watch at your
feet and exclaim, "Oh look! A watch!"-Denis Loubet
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28 Mar 2007 12:07:49 PM |
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On 26 Mar 2007 14:01:54 -0700, "Jim Roberts" <cjdroberts@gmail.com>
wrote:
Look moron! You don't understand human beings. Simple as that.
Actually, we do understand humans, very well.
We understand the ignorance, greed, and fear, that motivates your
belief.
We understand the distrust, hatred even, that you have for anyone who
does not share your greed, your fear, your ignorance, and we
understand why.
Even if that understanding only serves to enhance your own hatred of
us.
From a personal POV, even if you could persuade me that your god was
real, I would have no use for it. It offers me nothing that I want.
--
The spelling Like any opinion stated here
purely my own
#162 BAAWA Knight.
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29 Mar 2007 09:47:39 AM |
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On Mar 26, 10:01 pm, "Jim Roberts" <cjdrobe...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Mar 26, 9:51 pm, "Lucifer" <wyrdol...@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Mar 26, 9:41 pm, "Jim Roberts" <cjdrobe...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Mar 26, 8:55 pm, "Lee" <me@localhost> wrote:
"Jim Roberts" <cjdrobe...@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1174938413.128201.129410@n59g2000hsh.googlegroups.com...
Imagine a 30 year old dedicated Atheist in a hospital, dying of some
horrible, incurable disease. How many given this situation would
"chicken out" at the last minute and call for the priest?
If you don't believe in an afterlife there is nothing to chicken out of and
what could be worse when your gasping your last, perhaps having a final
laugh and a joke with the nurse then some holyman comes in and starts
chanting mumbo jumbo over your fast failing body?
Lee
That's it. Atheism is so mind-numbingly boring, nothing more than the
"idol" in the temple with the empty pedestal representing no god.
Atheism makes one feel so small. Atheism gives no pride in or to Life
or living. Just die and that's that! Just die you insignificant speck
in the Universe. Your remains will disposed of hygienically.
It's the certainty with which Atheists declare their position which
frightens me. They seem have no doubts about what they say at all.
That's not human. That's not natural.
I just don't believe all so-called Atheists are die-hards, a large
proportion will "chicken out" at the last minute, even if only to dive
into the bedside locker in the hospital to find a copy of the Gideon
Bible or Koran or whatever.
Look, moron, we don't share your delusions. Simple as that. There are
many books better than the bible or koran.
--
Lucifer the Unsubtle, EAC Librarian of Dark Tomes of Excessive Evil
and General Purpose Igor
The Anti-Theist, BAAWA Lowly Evilmeister and tamer of the Demon Duck
of Doom
Convicted by Earthquack
"Don't worry, I won't bite.......hard"
Look moron! You don't understand human beings. Simple as that.
Tehehehehehe. I'm under the troll's skin. I do not believe in the
bible, koran, torah etc. I do not believe in any superstition. When
I'm dying, I guess i'll probably be scared, and probably in pain, but
I can assure you, delusions will have no more hold of me then than
now. I have been clsoe to death before, and I know that I will be
close to death again. I have remained an atheist, and will remain one.
Given your "signature" you clearly live in a Hell of a fantasy world,
all by yourself.
Or I can just have a laugh, unlike some humourless fuckwits here.
--
Lucifer the Unsubtle, EAC Librarian of Dark Tomes of Excessive Evil
and General Purpose Igor
The Anti-Theist, BAAWA Lowly Evilmeister and tamer of the Demon Duck
of Doom
Convicted by Earthquack
"Don't worry, I won't bite.......hard"
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| User: "Hatter" |
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30 Mar 2007 08:56:02 AM |
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On Mar 26, 5:01 pm, "Jim Roberts" <cjdrobe...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Mar 26, 9:51 pm, "Lucifer" <wyrdol...@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Mar 26, 9:41 pm, "Jim Roberts" <cjdrobe...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Mar 26, 8:55 pm, "Lee" <me@localhost> wrote:
"Jim Roberts" <cjdrobe...@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1174938413.128201.129410@n59g2000hsh.googlegroups.com...
Imagine a 30 year old dedicated Atheist in a hospital, dying of some
horrible, incurable disease. How many given this situation would
"chicken out" at the last minute and call for the priest?
If you don't believe in an afterlife there is nothing to chicken out of and
what could be worse when your gasping your last, perhaps having a final
laugh and a joke with the nurse then some holyman comes in and starts
chanting mumbo jumbo over your fast failing body?
Lee
That's it. Atheism is so mind-numbingly boring, nothing more than the
"idol" in the temple with the empty pedestal representing no god.
Atheism makes one feel so small. Atheism gives no pride in or to Life
or living. Just die and that's that! Just die you insignificant speck
in the Universe. Your remains will disposed of hygienically.
It's the certainty with which Atheists declare their position which
frightens me. They seem have no doubts about what they say at all.
That's not human. That's not natural.
I just don't believe all so-called Atheists are die-hards, a large
proportion will "chicken out" at the last minute, even if only to dive
into the bedside locker in the hospital to find a copy of the Gideon
Bible or Koran or whatever.
Look, moron, we don't share your delusions. Simple as that. There are
many books better than the bible or koran.
--
Lucifer the Unsubtle, EAC Librarian of Dark Tomes of Excessive Evil
and General Purpose Igor
The Anti-Theist, BAAWA Lowly Evilmeister and tamer of the Demon Duck
of Doom
Convicted by Earthquack
"Don't worry, I won't bite.......hard"
Look moron! You don't understand human beings. Simple as that.
Given your "signature" you clearly live in a Hell of a fantasy world,
all by yourself.- Hide quoted text -
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You are the one who thinks theres a magical being that created the
universe, yet has a bronze age human morality structure, can do
anything, is all good, yet allows children to slowly waste away from
disease....and you call him living in a fantasy world....HA!
Hatter
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| User: "Mark K. Bilbo" |
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27 Mar 2007 10:56:09 AM |
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On Mon, 26 Mar 2007 14:41:17 -0700, Jim Roberts wrote:
On Mar 26, 8:55 pm, "Lee" <me@localhost> wrote:
"Jim Roberts" <cjdrobe...@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1174938413.128201.129410@n59g2000hsh.googlegroups.com...
Imagine a 30 year old dedicated Atheist in a hospital, dying of some
horrible, incurable disease. How many given this situation would
"chicken out" at the last minute and call for the priest?
If you don't believe in an afterlife there is nothing to chicken out of
and what could be worse when your gasping your last, perhaps having a
final laugh and a joke with the nurse then some holyman comes in and
starts chanting mumbo jumbo over your fast failing body?
Lee
That's it. Atheism is so mind-numbingly boring, nothing more than the
"idol" in the temple with the empty pedestal representing no god.
Atheism makes one feel so small. Atheism gives no pride in or to Life or
living. Just die and that's that! Just die you insignificant speck in the
Universe. Your remains will disposed of hygienically.
It's the certainty with which Atheists declare their position which
frightens me. They seem have no doubts about what they say at all. That's
not human. That's not natural.
I just don't believe all so-called Atheists are die-hards, a large
proportion will "chicken out" at the last minute, even if only to dive
into the bedside locker in the hospital to find a copy of the Gideon Bible
or Koran or whatever.
What a nasty little man you are. Are you Christian? They're quite often as
massively insecure as you just proved yourself to be...
--
Mark K. Bilbo a.a. #1423
EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion
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"The whole aim of practical politics is to keep the populace
alarmed (and hence clamorous to be led to safety) by menacing
it with an endless series of hobgoblins, all of them imaginary."
- H. L. Mencken
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| User: "Christopher A.Lee" |
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27 Mar 2007 11:05:05 AM |
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On Tue, 27 Mar 2007 10:56:09 -0500, "Mark K. Bilbo"
<gmail@com.mkbilbo> wrote:
On Mon, 26 Mar 2007 14:41:17 -0700, Jim Roberts wrote:
On Mar 26, 8:55 pm, "Lee" <me@localhost> wrote:
"Jim Roberts" <cjdrobe...@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1174938413.128201.129410@n59g2000hsh.googlegroups.com...
Imagine a 30 year old dedicated Atheist in a hospital, dying of some
horrible, incurable disease. How many given this situation would
"chicken out" at the last minute and call for the priest?
If you don't believe in an afterlife there is nothing to chicken out of
and what could be worse when your gasping your last, perhaps having a
final laugh and a joke with the nurse then some holyman comes in and
starts chanting mumbo jumbo over your fast failing body?
Lee
That's it. Atheism is so mind-numbingly boring, nothing more than the
"idol" in the temple with the empty pedestal representing no god.
Atheism makes one feel so small. Atheism gives no pride in or to Life or
living. Just die and that's that! Just die you insignificant speck in the
Universe. Your remains will disposed of hygienically.
It's the certainty with which Atheists declare their position which
frightens me. They seem have no doubts about what they say at all. That's
not human. That's not natural.
I just don't believe all so-called Atheists are die-hards, a large
proportion will "chicken out" at the last minute, even if only to dive
into the bedside locker in the hospital to find a copy of the Gideon Bible
or Koran or whatever.
What a nasty little man you are. Are you Christian? They're quite often as
massively insecure as you just proved yourself to be...
It's on a par with all the other threads the pathetic, nasty little
psychopath has started here.
For example his "Would you trust an Atheist to tell the truth? "
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| User: "Mark K. Bilbo" |
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28 Mar 2007 10:11:18 AM |
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On Tue, 27 Mar 2007 13:05:05 -0400, Christopher A. Lee wrote:
On Tue, 27 Mar 2007 10:56:09 -0500, "Mark K. Bilbo" <gmail@com.mkbilbo>
wrote:
On Mon, 26 Mar 2007 14:41:17 -0700, Jim Roberts wrote:
On Mar 26, 8:55 pm, "Lee" <me@localhost> wrote:
"Jim Roberts" <cjdrobe...@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1174938413.128201.129410@n59g2000hsh.googlegroups.com...
Imagine a 30 year old dedicated Atheist in a hospital, dying of some
horrible, incurable disease. How many given this situation would
"chicken out" at the last minute and call for the priest?
If you don't believe in an afterlife there is nothing to chicken out
of and what could be worse when your gasping your last, perhaps having
a final laugh and a joke with the nurse then some holyman comes in and
starts chanting mumbo jumbo over your fast failing body?
Lee
That's it. Atheism is so mind-numbingly boring, nothing more than the
"idol" in the temple with the empty pedestal representing no god.
Atheism makes one feel so small. Atheism gives no pride in or to Life
or living. Just die and that's that! Just die you insignificant speck
in the Universe. Your remains will disposed of hygienically.
It's the certainty with which Atheists declare their position which
frightens me. They seem have no doubts about what they say at all.
That's not human. That's not natural.
I just don't believe all so-called Atheists are die-hards, a large
proportion will "chicken out" at the last minute, even if only to dive
into the bedside locker in the hospital to find a copy of the Gideon
Bible or Koran or whatever.
What a nasty little man you are. Are you Christian? They're quite often
as massively insecure as you just proved yourself to be...
It's on a par with all the other threads the pathetic, nasty little
psychopath has started here.
For example his "Would you trust an Atheist to tell the truth? "
Oh that was the same guy?
He's so memorable, I don't remember...
--
Mark K. Bilbo a.a. #1423
EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion
------------------------------------------------------------
"The whole aim of practical politics is to keep the populace
alarmed (and hence clamorous to be led to safety) by menacing
it with an endless series of hobgoblins, all of them imaginary."
- H. L. Mencken
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| User: "Christopher A.Lee" |
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| Title: Re: Death and the Chickening Out Phenomenon |
28 Mar 2007 10:14:58 AM |
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On Wed, 28 Mar 2007 10:11:18 -0500, "Mark K. Bilbo"
<gmail@com.mkbilbo> wrote:
On Tue, 27 Mar 2007 13:05:05 -0400, Christopher A. Lee wrote:
On Tue, 27 Mar 2007 10:56:09 -0500, "Mark K. Bilbo" <gmail@com.mkbilbo>
wrote:
On Mon, 26 Mar 2007 14:41:17 -0700, Jim Roberts wrote:
On Mar 26, 8:55 pm, "Lee" <me@localhost> wrote:
"Jim Roberts" <cjdrobe...@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1174938413.128201.129410@n59g2000hsh.googlegroups.com...
Imagine a 30 year old dedicated Atheist in a hospital, dying of some
horrible, incurable disease. How many given this situation would
"chicken out" at the last minute and call for the priest?
If you don't believe in an afterlife there is nothing to chicken out
of and what could be worse when your gasping your last, perhaps having
a final laugh and a joke with the nurse then some holyman comes in and
starts chanting mumbo jumbo over your fast failing body?
Lee
That's it. Atheism is so mind-numbingly boring, nothing more than the
"idol" in the temple with the empty pedestal representing no god.
Atheism makes one feel so small. Atheism gives no pride in or to Life
or living. Just die and that's that! Just die you insignificant speck
in the Universe. Your remains will disposed of hygienically.
It's the certainty with which Atheists declare their position which
frightens me. They seem have no doubts about what they say at all.
That's not human. That's not natural.
I just don't believe all so-called Atheists are die-hards, a large
proportion will "chicken out" at the last minute, even if only to dive
into the bedside locker in the hospital to find a copy of the Gideon
Bible or Koran or whatever.
What a nasty little man you are. Are you Christian? They're quite often
as massively insecure as you just proved yourself to be...
It's on a par with all the other threads the pathetic, nasty little
psychopath has started here.
For example his "Would you trust an Atheist to tell the truth? "
Oh that was the same guy?
He's so memorable, I don't remember...
He's doing it to be deliberately nasty.
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| User: "Mark K. Bilbo" |
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29 Mar 2007 11:10:34 AM |
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On Wed, 28 Mar 2007 12:14:58 -0400, Christopher A. Lee wrote:
On Wed, 28 Mar 2007 10:11:18 -0500, "Mark K. Bilbo" <gmail@com.mkbilbo>
wrote:
On Tue, 27 Mar 2007 13:05:05 -0400, Christopher A. Lee wrote:
On Tue, 27 Mar 2007 10:56:09 -0500, "Mark K. Bilbo" <gmail@com.mkbilbo>
wrote:
On Mon, 26 Mar 2007 14:41:17 -0700, Jim Roberts wrote:
On Mar 26, 8:55 pm, "Lee" <me@localhost> wrote:
"Jim Roberts" <cjdrobe...@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1174938413.128201.129410@n59g2000hsh.googlegroups.com...
Imagine a 30 year old dedicated Atheist in a hospital, dying of
some horrible, incurable disease. How many given this situation
would "chicken out" at the last minute and call for the priest?
If you don't believe in an afterlife there is nothing to chicken out
of and what could be worse when your gasping your last, perhaps
having a final laugh and a joke with the nurse then some holyman
comes in and starts chanting mumbo jumbo over your fast failing
body?
Lee
That's it. Atheism is so mind-numbingly boring, nothing more than the
"idol" in the temple with the empty pedestal representing no god.
Atheism makes one feel so small. Atheism gives no pride in or to Life
or living. Just die and that's that! Just die you insignificant speck
in the Universe. Your remains will disposed of hygienically.
It's the certainty with which Atheists declare their position which
frightens me. They seem have no doubts about what they say at all.
That's not human. That's not natural.
I just don't believe all so-called Atheists are die-hards, a large
proportion will "chicken out" at the last minute, even if only to
dive into the bedside locker in the hospital to find a copy of the
Gideon Bible or Koran or whatever.
What a nasty little man you are. Are you Christian? They're quite often
as massively insecure as you just proved yourself to be...
It's on a par with all the other threads the pathetic, nasty little
psychopath has started here.
For example his "Would you trust an Atheist to tell the truth? "
Oh that was the same guy?
He's so memorable, I don't remember...
He's doing it to be deliberately nasty.
Some people really, really need a life...
--
Mark K. Bilbo a.a. #1423
EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion
------------------------------------------------------------
"The whole aim of practical politics is to keep the populace
alarmed (and hence clamorous to be led to safety) by menacing
it with an endless series of hobgoblins, all of them imaginary."
- H. L. Mencken
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| User: "Christopher A.Lee" |
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26 Mar 2007 04:46:08 PM |
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On Mon, 26 Mar 2007 20:55:59 +0100, "Lee" <me@localhost> wrote:
"Jim Roberts" <cjdroberts@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1174938413.128201.129410@n59g2000hsh.googlegroups.com...
Imagine a 30 year old dedicated Atheist in a hospital, dying of some
horrible, incurable disease. How many given this situation would
"chicken out" at the last minute and call for the priest?
If you don't believe in an afterlife there is nothing to chicken out of and
what could be worse when your gasping your last, perhaps having a final
laugh and a joke with the nurse then some holyman comes in and starts
chanting mumbo jumbo over your fast failing body?
The man is a psychopath, for whom nobody can really have a point of
biew of their own.
Lee
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| User: "Lee me@localhost" |
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26 Mar 2007 04:47:07 PM |
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"Jim Roberts" <cjdroberts@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1174938413.128201.129410@n59g2000hsh.googlegroups.com...
Imagine a 30 year old dedicated Atheist in a hospital, dying of some
horrible, incurable disease. How many given this situation would
"chicken out" at the last minute and call for the priest?
Is this religious focus on the poor, ill, dying, lonely and the generally
fucked up altruism or just taking advantage of people at a weak point in
their lives?
Lee
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| User: "Jim Roberts" |
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26 Mar 2007 05:34:14 PM |
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On Mar 26, 10:47 pm, "Lee" <me@localhost> wrote:
"Jim Roberts" <cjdrobe...@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1174938413.128201.129410@n59g2000hsh.googlegroups.com...
Imagine a 30 year old dedicated Atheist in a hospital, dying of some
horrible, incurable disease. How many given this situation would
"chicken out" at the last minute and call for the priest?
Is this religious focus on the poor, ill, dying, lonely and the generally
fucked up altruism or just taking advantage of people at a weak point in
their lives?
Lee
It's whatever the poor dying person thinks what is necessary to "save"
his or her soul. I don't necessarily agree with what they might want
to do, but the "chickening out" at the last minute phenomenon is a
well known one.
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| User: "Peter" |
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26 Mar 2007 08:12:19 PM |
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"Jim Roberts" <cjdroberts@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1174948454.014940.287810@n76g2000hsh.googlegroups.com...
On Mar 26, 10:47 pm, "Lee" <me@localhost> wrote:
"Jim Roberts" <cjdrobe...@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1174938413.128201.129410@n59g2000hsh.googlegroups.com...
Imagine a 30 year old dedicated Atheist in a hospital, dying of some
horrible, incurable disease. How many given this situation would
"chicken out" at the last minute and call for the priest?
Is this religious focus on the poor, ill, dying, lonely and the
generally
fucked up altruism or just taking advantage of people at a weak point in
their lives?
Lee
It's whatever the poor dying person thinks what is necessary to "save"
his or her soul. I don't necessarily agree with what they might want
to do, but the "chickening out" at the last minute phenomenon is a
well known one.
What makes you say that? I would assume that it's more likely to be a common
misconception among those that are theistically inclined. I had an incedent
in a small aircraft.
I awoke to a fusilage full off smoke on an 8 passenger plain during a storm.
Emergency
landing was required. If I had failth in anything, it was the skill of the
pilot.
Peter
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| User: "Mark K. Bilbo" |
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| Title: Re: Death and the Chickening Out Phenomenon |
27 Mar 2007 10:50:36 AM |
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On Tue, 27 Mar 2007 02:12:19 +0000, Peter wrote:
"Jim Roberts" <cjdroberts@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1174948454.014940.287810@n76g2000hsh.googlegroups.com...
On Mar 26, 10:47 pm, "Lee" <me@localhost> wrote:
"Jim Roberts" <cjdrobe...@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1174938413.128201.129410@n59g2000hsh.googlegroups.com...
Imagine a 30 year old dedicated Atheist in a hospital, dying of some
horrible, incurable disease. How many given this situation would
"chicken out" at the last minute and call for the priest?
Is this religious focus on the poor, ill, dying, lonely and the
generally
fucked up altruism or just taking advantage of people at a weak point
in their lives?
Lee
It's whatever the poor dying person thinks what is necessary to "save"
his or her soul. I don't necessarily agree with what they might want to
do, but the "chickening out" at the last minute phenomenon is a well
known one.
What makes you say that? I would assume that it's more likely to be a
common misconception among those that are theistically inclined. I had an
incedent in a small aircraft.
I awoke to a fusilage full off smoke on an 8 passenger plain during a
storm. Emergency
landing was required. If I had failth in anything, it was the skill of the
pilot.
I've been in three serious auto accidents (none my fault, one I was just a
passenger) and even when I was a Christian, "god" never entered into the
picture until *after the incident. In the two where I was driving, I just
went into a pure "survival mode" and did everything I possibly could to
reduce the severity of the impact. Both could have been deadly. In one,
the guy went through a red light in a *very large pickup and would have
slammed right into my door in my small, rattle trap, college era "car" if
I hadn't moved quickly to turn much as I could to make it as much of a
"side-swipe" as possible. I will *never forget the image of that grill
headed right *at me.
(And, dammit, if the road hadn't been slick from some rain, I may have
gotten out of it with nothing but a bad fender bender from hitting a
lightpost, I got the thing around to where a corner of his pickup went
into the passenger side behind me.)
I didn't have the "religious" thoughts until days later. It was just a
mortality thing. I was just turned 20 and it was the first time I really,
really realized "I Could Die!" Looking back now, it was obviously ad hoc,
trying to calm myself down.
The last two (fortunately, these are all fifteen years or more ago, I'm
older now, I might not hold up as well <g>), nothing. Katrina and Rita? No
thoughts of gods at all. And in the case of the former, I had much, much
more "faith" in plywood and evacuation routes. <g>
(Rita wasn't so bad on the New Orleans area and I didn't even put the
plywood back up. But after having gone through Katrina, Rita was one hell
of an unnerving day.)
--
Mark K. Bilbo a.a. #1423
EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion
------------------------------------------------------------
"The whole aim of practical politics is to keep the populace
alarmed (and hence clamorous to be led to safety) by menacing
it with an endless series of hobgoblins, all of them imaginary."
- H. L. Mencken
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