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"Jim Roberts" |
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26 Mar 2007 02:46:53 PM |
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Death and the Chickening Out Phenomenon |
Imagine a 30 year old dedicated Atheist in a hospital, dying of some
horrible, incurable disease. How many given this situation would
"chicken out" at the last minute and call for the priest?
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| User: "The Chief Instigator" |
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| Title: Re: Death and the Chickening Out Phenomenon |
26 Mar 2007 03:15:16 PM |
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"Jim Roberts" <cjdroberts@gmail.com> writes:
Imagine a 30 year old dedicated Atheist in a hospital, dying of some
horrible, incurable disease. How many given this situation would
"chicken out" at the last minute and call for the priest?
It wouldn't happen in my case...since I'm not Catholic, stupid git.
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chiefinstigator.us.tt/aeros.php (TCI's 2006-07 Houston Aeros) AA#2273
LAST GAME: Omaha 10, Houston 2 (March 24)
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| User: "Jim Roberts" |
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| Title: Re: Death and the Chickening Out Phenomenon |
26 Mar 2007 04:27:03 PM |
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On Mar 26, 9:15 pm, The Chief Instigator <patr...@fnord.io.com> wrote:
"Jim Roberts" <cjdrobe...@gmail.com> writes:
Imagine a 30 year old dedicated Atheist in a hospital, dying of some
horrible, incurable disease. How many given this situation would
"chicken out" at the last minute and call for the priest?
It wouldn't happen in my case...since I'm not Catholic, stupid git.
--
Patrick "The Chief Instigator" Humphrey (patr...@io.com) Houston, Texas
chiefinstigator.us.tt/aeros.php (TCI's 2006-07 Houston Aeros) AA#2273
LAST GAME: Omaha 10, Houston 2 (March 24)
NEXT GAME: Friday, March 30 vs. Peoria, 7:35
Stupid Git! Many non-catholics might also call for their own
"priest"/"imam"/"spiritual leader" or whatever.
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| User: "Robibnikoff" |
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| Title: Re: Death and the Chickening Out Phenomenon |
26 Mar 2007 07:27:50 PM |
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"Jim Roberts" <cjdroberts@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1174944423.607965.66740@n59g2000hsh.googlegroups.com...
On Mar 26, 9:15 pm, The Chief Instigator <patr...@fnord.io.com> wrote:
"Jim Roberts" <cjdrobe...@gmail.com> writes:
Imagine a 30 year old dedicated Atheist in a hospital, dying of some
horrible, incurable disease. How many given this situation would
"chicken out" at the last minute and call for the priest?
It wouldn't happen in my case...since I'm not Catholic, stupid git.
--
Patrick "The Chief Instigator" Humphrey (patr...@io.com) Houston,
Texas
chiefinstigator.us.tt/aeros.php (TCI's 2006-07 Houston Aeros)
AA#2273
LAST GAME: Omaha 10, Houston 2 (March 24)
NEXT GAME: Friday, March 30 vs. Peoria, 7:35
Stupid Git! Many non-catholics might also call for their own
"priest"/"imam"/"spiritual leader" or whatever.
So? He's also not a theist.
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Robyn
Resident Witchypoo
BAAWA Knight!
#1557
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| User: "Lee me@localhost" |
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| Title: Re: Death and the Chickening Out Phenomenon |
26 Mar 2007 02:55:59 PM |
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"Jim Roberts" <cjdroberts@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1174938413.128201.129410@n59g2000hsh.googlegroups.com...
Imagine a 30 year old dedicated Atheist in a hospital, dying of some
horrible, incurable disease. How many given this situation would
"chicken out" at the last minute and call for the priest?
If you don't believe in an afterlife there is nothing to chicken out of and
what could be worse when your gasping your last, perhaps having a final
laugh and a joke with the nurse then some holyman comes in and starts
chanting mumbo jumbo over your fast failing body?
Lee
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| User: "Jim Roberts" |
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| Title: Re: Death and the Chickening Out Phenomenon |
26 Mar 2007 03:41:17 PM |
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On Mar 26, 8:55 pm, "Lee" <me@localhost> wrote:
"Jim Roberts" <cjdrobe...@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1174938413.128201.129410@n59g2000hsh.googlegroups.com...
Imagine a 30 year old dedicated Atheist in a hospital, dying of some
horrible, incurable disease. How many given this situation would
"chicken out" at the last minute and call for the priest?
If you don't believe in an afterlife there is nothing to chicken out of and
what could be worse when your gasping your last, perhaps having a final
laugh and a joke with the nurse then some holyman comes in and starts
chanting mumbo jumbo over your fast failing body?
Lee
That's it. Atheism is so mind-numbingly boring, nothing more than the
"idol" in the temple with the empty pedestal representing no god.
Atheism makes one feel so small. Atheism gives no pride in or to Life
or living. Just die and that's that! Just die you insignificant speck
in the Universe. Your remains will disposed of hygienically.
It's the certainty with which Atheists declare their position which
frightens me. They seem have no doubts about what they say at all.
That's not human. That's not natural.
I just don't believe all so-called Atheists are die-hards, a large
proportion will "chicken out" at the last minute, even if only to dive
into the bedside locker in the hospital to find a copy of the Gideon
Bible or Koran or whatever.
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| User: "Fred Stone" |
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| Title: Re: Death and the Chickening Out Phenomenon |
26 Mar 2007 03:07:56 PM |
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"Jim Roberts" <cjdroberts@gmail.com> wrote in
news:1174941677.151861.278290@n59g2000hsh.googlegroups.com:
On Mar 26, 8:55 pm, "Lee" <me@localhost> wrote:
"Jim Roberts" <cjdrobe...@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1174938413.128201.129410@n59g2000hsh.googlegroups.com...
Imagine a 30 year old dedicated Atheist in a hospital, dying of
some horrible, incurable disease. How many given this situation
would "chicken out" at the last minute and call for the priest?
If you don't believe in an afterlife there is nothing to chicken out
of and what could be worse when your gasping your last, perhaps
having a final laugh and a joke with the nurse then some holyman
comes in and starts chanting mumbo jumbo over your fast failing body?
Lee
That's it. Atheism is so mind-numbingly boring, nothing more than the
"idol" in the temple with the empty pedestal representing no god.
Atheism makes one feel so small. Atheism gives no pride in or to Life
or living. Just die and that's that! Just die you insignificant speck
in the Universe. Your remains will disposed of hygienically.
That's your lack of imagination talking, not mine. I don't need to
imagine that I'll be happy after I die in order to be happy while I'm
living.
It's the certainty with which Atheists declare their position which
frightens me. They seem have no doubts about what they say at all.
That's not human. That's not natural.
I just don't believe all so-called Atheists are die-hards, a large
proportion will "chicken out" at the last minute, even if only to dive
into the bedside locker in the hospital to find a copy of the Gideon
Bible or Koran or whatever.
I have no reason to believe any of the claims of any of the theists. Why
would I bother to indulge in their phony rituals on my deathbed?
Here and now, I am alive.
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Fred Stone
aa# 1369
"I believe it is appropriate to have an overrepresentation of factual
presentations on how dangerous it (Global Warming) is, as a predicate
for opening up the audience." - Al Gore
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| User: "ThePhisherKIng Locker@BusStation" |
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| Title: Re: Death and the Chickening Out Phenomenon |
27 Mar 2007 08:57:54 AM |
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"Jim Roberts" <cjdroberts@gmail.com> wrote in
news:1174941677.151861.278290@n59g2000hsh.googlegroups.com:
On Mar 26, 8:55 pm, "Lee" <me@localhost> wrote:
"Jim Roberts" <cjdrobe...@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1174938413.128201.129410@n59g2000hsh.googlegroups.com...
Imagine a 30 year old dedicated Atheist in a hospital, dying of
some horrible, incurable disease. How many given this situation
would "chicken out" at the last minute and call for the priest?
If you don't believe in an afterlife there is nothing to chicken out
of and what could be worse when your gasping your last, perhaps
having a final laugh and a joke with the nurse then some holyman
comes in and starts chanting mumbo jumbo over your fast failing body?
Lee
That's it. Atheism is so mind-numbingly boring, nothing more than the
"idol" in the temple with the empty pedestal representing no god.
Sorry, I'm afraid I don't subscribe to your symbolism. I understand what
you're saying, but I find nothing boring in the concept of being part of
the universe as a physical, evolved, organism. I don't need a god to
understand who I am.
Atheism makes one feel so small. Atheism gives no pride in or to Life
or living. Just die and that's that! Just die you insignificant speck
in the Universe. Your remains will disposed of hygienically.
We are small. Don't need a god to have a sense of myself and of life.
And, yes, you die and that's it. You're recycled into the elemental
cosmos to be regenerated as a physical part of some future living
organism.
It's the certainty with which Atheists declare their position which
frightens me. They seem have no doubts about what they say at all.
That's not human. That's not natural.
You're frightened because you're clinging to a supernatural view of the
world. That's not natural, but it is human. The species is still
tentatively coming down from the trees and has not yet developed a real
sense of who they are in the grand scheme of things.
I just don't believe all so-called Atheists are die-hards, a large
proportion will "chicken out" at the last minute, even if only to dive
into the bedside locker in the hospital to find a copy of the Gideon
Bible or Koran or whatever.
Naw.
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| User: "Llanzlan Klazmon the 15th" |
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| Title: Re: Death and the Chickening Out Phenomenon |
26 Mar 2007 07:52:53 PM |
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"Jim Roberts" <cjdroberts@gmail.com> wrote in
news:1174941677.151861.278290@n59g2000hsh.googlegroups.com:
On Mar 26, 8:55 pm, "Lee" <me@localhost> wrote:
"Jim Roberts" <cjdrobe...@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1174938413.128201.129410@n59g2000hsh.googlegroups.com...
Imagine a 30 year old dedicated Atheist in a hospital, dying of some
horrible, incurable disease. How many given this situation would
"chicken out" at the last minute and call for the priest?
If you don't believe in an afterlife there is nothing to chicken out of
and what could be worse when your gasping your last, perhaps having a
final laugh and a joke with the nurse then some holyman comes in and
starts chanting mumbo jumbo over your fast failing body?
Lee
That's it. Atheism is so mind-numbingly boring,
You find reality boring, so you make up gods to make it more entertaining
right? Hey even though we are atheists, we are allowed to have hobbies and
a life. We don't sit around all day humming the we don't believe in gods
song. The subject wouldn't even arise if theists didn't continually try to
ram their nonsense down our throats.
nothing more than the
"idol" in the temple with the empty pedestal representing no god.
No idols are required. That is a theistic thing. You are projecting here.
Atheism makes one feel so small.
So theism makes you feel big. Pride before a fall they say.
Atheism gives no pride in or to Life
or living.
Do you think you are going to win converts by lying about atheists?
Just die and that's that! Just die you insignificant speck
in the Universe. Your remains will disposed of hygienically.
Why would one fear such a situation when it is no different to what was
before you were born?
It's the certainty with which Atheists declare their position which
frightens me. They seem have no doubts about what they say at all.
That's not human. That's not natural.
Again, telling lies about atheists isn't going to win you any converts.
Present the evidence and we will see if it stacks up. BTW you seem to be
projecting your own fears and doubts here. I suspect that deep down you
realise that the god business is all a sham.
I just don't believe all so-called Atheists are die-hards, a large
proportion will "chicken out" at the last minute, even if only to dive
into the bedside locker in the hospital to find a copy of the Gideon
Bible or Koran or whatever.
Curiously, one of the Christian gods is said to have chickened out just
before dying for a couple of days, it isn't explained why an omnipotent god
would be concerned about being forsaken. Anyway, the norse gods are more
appealing. Valhalla sounds kind of cool with all those Valkyries running
around, particularly that Brunhilde chick ;-).
Klazmon
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| User: "Lee me@localhost" |
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| Title: Re: Death and the Chickening Out Phenomenon |
26 Mar 2007 04:15:50 PM |
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"Jim Roberts" <cjdroberts@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1174941677.151861.278290@n59g2000hsh.googlegroups.com...
On Mar 26, 8:55 pm, "Lee" <me@localhost> wrote:
"Jim Roberts" <cjdrobe...@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1174938413.128201.129410@n59g2000hsh.googlegroups.com...
Imagine a 30 year old dedicated Atheist in a hospital, dying of some
horrible, incurable disease. How many given this situation would
"chicken out" at the last minute and call for the priest?
If you don't believe in an afterlife there is nothing to chicken out of
and
what could be worse when your gasping your last, perhaps having a final
laugh and a joke with the nurse then some holyman comes in and starts
chanting mumbo jumbo over your fast failing body?
Lee
That's it. Atheism is so mind-numbingly boring, nothing more than the
"idol" in the temple with the empty pedestal representing no god.
Atheism makes one feel so small. Atheism gives no pride in or to Life
or living. Just die and that's that! Just die you insignificant speck
in the Universe. Your remains will disposed of hygienically.
Disagree I bet all people going back to the dawn of modern man, long before
christianity have been awed by the universe we live in, its part of being
human.
It's the certainty with which Atheists declare their position which
frightens me. They seem have no doubts about what they say at all.
That's not human. That's not natural.
Is it the certainty of Athiest or trepidation about the unknown that causes
the fear?
I just don't believe all so-called Atheists are die-hards, a large
proportion will "chicken out" at the last minute, even if only to dive
into the bedside locker in the hospital to find a copy of the Gideon
Bible or Koran or whatever.
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| User: "Robibnikoff" |
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| Title: Re: Death and the Chickening Out Phenomenon |
26 Mar 2007 07:25:32 PM |
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"Jim Roberts" <cjdroberts@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1174941677.151861.278290@n59g2000hsh.googlegroups.com...
On Mar 26, 8:55 pm, "Lee" <me@localhost> wrote:
"Jim Roberts" <cjdrobe...@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1174938413.128201.129410@n59g2000hsh.googlegroups.com...
Imagine a 30 year old dedicated Atheist in a hospital, dying of some
horrible, incurable disease. How many given this situation would
"chicken out" at the last minute and call for the priest?
If you don't believe in an afterlife there is nothing to chicken out of
and
what could be worse when your gasping your last, perhaps having a final
laugh and a joke with the nurse then some holyman comes in and starts
chanting mumbo jumbo over your fast failing body?
Lee
That's it. Atheism is so mind-numbingly boring, nothing more than the
"idol" in the temple with the empty pedestal representing no god.
I'm just curious. What exactly is your fucking problem?
Is your life so pathetic that the best you can do is come to Usenet and try
to pick a fight with people you don't like? That's really sad. Is this what
your religion has done for you? Why would you even give a ***** what we do?
I couldn't care less if you walked in front of a bus.
--
Robyn
Resident Witchypoo
BAAWA Knight!
#1557
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| User: "The Chief Instigator" |
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27 Mar 2007 10:23:12 PM |
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"Robibnikoff" <witchypoo@broomstick.com> writes:
"Jim Roberts" <cjdroberts@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1174941677.151861.278290@n59g2000hsh.googlegroups.com...
On Mar 26, 8:55 pm, "Lee" <me@localhost> wrote:
"Jim Roberts" <cjdrobe...@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1174938413.128201.129410@n59g2000hsh.googlegroups.com...
Imagine a 30 year old dedicated Atheist in a hospital, dying of some
horrible, incurable disease. How many given this situation would
"chicken out" at the last minute and call for the priest?
If you don't believe in an afterlife there is nothing to chicken out of
and
what could be worse when your gasping your last, perhaps having a final
laugh and a joke with the nurse then some holyman comes in and starts
chanting mumbo jumbo over your fast failing body?
Lee
That's it. Atheism is so mind-numbingly boring, nothing more than the
"idol" in the temple with the empty pedestal representing no god.
I'm just curious. What exactly is your fucking problem?
Aside from his religious arrogance, I have no idea.
Is your life so pathetic that the best you can do is come to Usenet and try
to pick a fight with people you don't like? That's really sad. Is this what
your religion has done for you? Why would you even give a ***** what we do?
I couldn't care less if you walked in front of a bus.
How can you say that? Think of the poor bus driver and his bus that didn't
deserve to get trashed by Jim "Stupidity Über Alles" Roberts...;-)
--
Patrick "The Chief Instigator" Humphrey (patrick@io.com) Houston, Texas
chiefinstigator.us.tt/aeros.php (TCI's 2006-07 Houston Aeros) AA#2273
LAST GAME: Omaha 10, Houston 2 (March 24)
NEXT GAME: Friday, March 30 vs. Peoria, 7:35
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28 Mar 2007 12:50:21 PM |
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"The Chief Instigator" <patrick@eris.io.com> wrote in message
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"Robibnikoff" <witchypoo@broomstick.com> writes:
"Jim Roberts" <cjdroberts@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1174941677.151861.278290@n59g2000hsh.googlegroups.com...
On Mar 26, 8:55 pm, "Lee" <me@localhost> wrote:
"Jim Roberts" <cjdrobe...@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1174938413.128201.129410@n59g2000hsh.googlegroups.com...
Imagine a 30 year old dedicated Atheist in a hospital, dying of some
horrible, incurable disease. How many given this situation would
"chicken out" at the last minute and call for the priest?
If you don't believe in an afterlife there is nothing to chicken out of
and
what could be worse when your gasping your last, perhaps having a final
laugh and a joke with the nurse then some holyman comes in and starts
chanting mumbo jumbo over your fast failing body?
Lee
That's it. Atheism is so mind-numbingly boring, nothing more than the
"idol" in the temple with the empty pedestal representing no god.
I'm just curious. What exactly is your fucking problem?
Aside from his religious arrogance, I have no idea.
Is your life so pathetic that the best you can do is come to Usenet and
try
to pick a fight with people you don't like? That's really sad. Is this
what
your religion has done for you? Why would you even give a ***** what we
do?
I couldn't care less if you walked in front of a bus.
How can you say that? Think of the poor bus driver and his bus that
didn't
deserve to get trashed by Jim "Stupidity Über Alles" Roberts...;-)
Sorry, it's just my fiendish nature at work <Cackle!> ;)
--
Robyn
Resident Witchypoo
BAAWA Knight!
#1557
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27 Mar 2007 10:56:45 AM |
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On Mon, 26 Mar 2007 21:25:32 -0400, Robibnikoff wrote:
"Jim Roberts" <cjdroberts@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1174941677.151861.278290@n59g2000hsh.googlegroups.com...
On Mar 26, 8:55 pm, "Lee" <me@localhost> wrote:
"Jim Roberts" <cjdrobe...@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1174938413.128201.129410@n59g2000hsh.googlegroups.com...
Imagine a 30 year old dedicated Atheist in a hospital, dying of some
horrible, incurable disease. How many given this situation would
"chicken out" at the last minute and call for the priest?
If you don't believe in an afterlife there is nothing to chicken out of
and
what could be worse when your gasping your last, perhaps having a final
laugh and a joke with the nurse then some holyman comes in and starts
chanting mumbo jumbo over your fast failing body?
Lee
That's it. Atheism is so mind-numbingly boring, nothing more than the
"idol" in the temple with the empty pedestal representing no god.
I'm just curious. What exactly is your fucking problem?
Is your life so pathetic that the best you can do is come to Usenet and
try to pick a fight with people you don't like? That's really sad. Is this
what your religion has done for you? Why would you even give a ***** what
we do? I couldn't care less if you walked in front of a bus.
Being a Usenet troll has to be one of the lowest states a human can attain...
--
Mark K. Bilbo a.a. #1423
EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion
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"The whole aim of practical politics is to keep the populace
alarmed (and hence clamorous to be led to safety) by menacing
it with an endless series of hobgoblins, all of them imaginary."
- H. L. Mencken
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27 Mar 2007 11:40:55 AM |
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"Mark K. Bilbo" <gmail@com.mkbilbo> wrote in message
news:pan.2007.03.27.15.56.45.97329@com.mkbilbo...
On Mon, 26 Mar 2007 21:25:32 -0400, Robibnikoff wrote:
"Jim Roberts" <cjdroberts@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1174941677.151861.278290@n59g2000hsh.googlegroups.com...
On Mar 26, 8:55 pm, "Lee" <me@localhost> wrote:
"Jim Roberts" <cjdrobe...@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1174938413.128201.129410@n59g2000hsh.googlegroups.com...
Imagine a 30 year old dedicated Atheist in a hospital, dying of some
horrible, incurable disease. How many given this situation would
"chicken out" at the last minute and call for the priest?
If you don't believe in an afterlife there is nothing to chicken out of
and
what could be worse when your gasping your last, perhaps having a final
laugh and a joke with the nurse then some holyman comes in and starts
chanting mumbo jumbo over your fast failing body?
Lee
That's it. Atheism is so mind-numbingly boring, nothing more than the
"idol" in the temple with the empty pedestal representing no god.
I'm just curious. What exactly is your fucking problem?
Is your life so pathetic that the best you can do is come to Usenet and
try to pick a fight with people you don't like? That's really sad. Is
this
what your religion has done for you? Why would you even give a ***** what
we do? I couldn't care less if you walked in front of a bus.
Being a Usenet troll has to be one of the lowest states a human can
attain...
No doubt! :P
--
Robyn
Resident Witchypoo
BAAWA Knight!
#1557
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| User: "Enkidu" |
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29 Mar 2007 08:05:34 AM |
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"Jim Roberts" <cjdroberts@gmail.com> wrote in news:1174941677.151861.278290
@n59g2000hsh.googlegroups.com:
That's it. Atheism is so mind-numbingly boring . . . .
1) That doesn't make theism true.
2) It reflects your limited imagination, not any limitation
imposed by atheism.
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Enkidu AA#2165
EAC Chaplain and ordained minister,
ULC, Modesto, CA
If Christ were here there is one thing he would not be -- a Christian.
-- Mark Twain
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| User: "Christopher A.Lee" |
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29 Mar 2007 08:27:28 AM |
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On 29 Mar 2007 13:05:34 GMT, Enkidu <fox_rgfszx@trashmail.net> wrote:
"Jim Roberts" <cjdroberts@gmail.com> wrote in news:1174941677.151861.278290
@n59g2000hsh.googlegroups.com:
That's it. Atheism is so mind-numbingly boring . . . .
1) That doesn't make theism true.
2) It reflects your limited imagination, not any limitation
imposed by atheism.
How many times does the certifiable lunatic need reminding that not
believing in his deity is no different than his own not believing in
Zeus, Odin, Osiris or any of the others?
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| User: "Lisbeth Andersson" |
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| Title: Re: Death and the Chickening Out Phenomenon |
29 Mar 2007 04:01:06 PM |
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Christopher A.Lee <calee@optonline.net> wrote in
news:ekfn03t2g07jqc0cmn9qjqrt60ma5stbmo@4ax.com:
On 29 Mar 2007 13:05:34 GMT, Enkidu <fox_rgfszx@trashmail.net>
wrote:
"Jim Roberts" <cjdroberts@gmail.com> wrote in
news:1174941677.151861.278290 @n59g2000hsh.googlegroups.com:
That's it. Atheism is so mind-numbingly boring . . . .
1) That doesn't make theism true.
2) It reflects your limited imagination, not any limitation
imposed by atheism.
How many times does the certifiable lunatic need reminding that
not believing in his deity is no different than his own not
believing in Zeus, Odin, Osiris or any of the others?
I'm beginning to suspect it is not the same thing at all. It wouldn't
surprise me at all if some monotheists really have serious doubts
about the one god thing, so when we say it's really the same as he is
not believing in Zeus, what he hears is that, since there is a very
thin line between him and Zeus worship, that we are very close to
worshiping some god. Therefor it should not be too difficult to
convince us to become theists, and since there is very little
difference between the gods we might as well choose his god.
Does that make sense? I suspect not, since we are talking about
religion.
Trying to understand theists, especially monotheist, is giving me a
giant headache. In the interest of health, and sanity, I'm switching
back to your theory that they (at least a large part of them) are
lying morons.
Lisbeth.
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The day I don't learn anything new is the day I die.
*What we know is not nearly as interesting as *how we know it.
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29 Mar 2007 05:19:29 PM |
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On 29 Mar 2007 21:01:06 GMT, Lisbeth Andersson <lisand@bredband.net>
wrote:
Christopher A.Lee <calee@optonline.net> wrote in
news:ekfn03t2g07jqc0cmn9qjqrt60ma5stbmo@4ax.com:
On 29 Mar 2007 13:05:34 GMT, Enkidu <fox_rgfszx@trashmail.net>
wrote:
"Jim Roberts" <cjdroberts@gmail.com> wrote in
news:1174941677.151861.278290 @n59g2000hsh.googlegroups.com:
That's it. Atheism is so mind-numbingly boring . . . .
1) That doesn't make theism true.
2) It reflects your limited imagination, not any limitation
imposed by atheism.
How many times does the certifiable lunatic need reminding that
not believing in his deity is no different than his own not
believing in Zeus, Odin, Osiris or any of the others?
I'm beginning to suspect it is not the same thing at all. It wouldn't
surprise me at all if some monotheists really have serious doubts
about the one god thing, so when we say it's really the same as he is
not believing in Zeus, what he hears is that, since there is a very
thin line between him and Zeus worship, that we are very close to
worshiping some god. Therefor it should not be too difficult to
convince us to become theists, and since there is very little
difference between the gods we might as well choose his god.
I've had problems with Catholics I know saying that they're all the
same god and they are worshipped differently/wrongly.
Leaving aside the question of whether Zeus and Aphrodite are the same,
or what believers in other gods say when they are told this, they know
they are dishonestly, deliberately missing the point.
Dan Wood who seems to be some kind of pagan priest did the same here
because _he_ thinks all gods are aspects of some nebulous "the divine"
even though he knows the majority don't think so.
But whatever you say, whether it's other gods, Santa Claus, pixies etc
gets dismissed because that's not how _they_ see it.
It all boils down to a sociopathic inability to grasp that others
might validly have their own different point of view, and a
psychopathic insistence that they don't have the point of view they
describe.
Does that make sense? I suspect not, since we are talking about
religion.
In the developed world it seems a mainly American phenomenon.
I grew up in England, and in my first 40+ years only had two people
tell me what my POV "really" was.
It's a country where somebody's religion (or not) is their own
business and it is considered bad manners to bring it up
inappropriately.
Trying to understand theists, especially monotheist, is giving me a
giant headache. In the interest of health, and sanity, I'm switching
back to your theory that they (at least a large part of them) are
lying morons.
Too many of them here are. They are also in-your-face nasty about it.
Lisbeth.
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The day I don't learn anything new is the day I die.
*What we know is not nearly as interesting as *how we know it.
That's something else these morons do: they believe things because
they are told them by those they trust, not because they think them
through or check them out for themselves.
And they project it onto us.
Worse, they lie through their teeth about _why_ we say what we do when
we refute what they say.
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Christopher A.Lee <calee@optonline.net> wrote in
news:4tdo03dsb5q1a4ucrashn4qgmo5olmks75@4ax.com:
Major snipping because this stuff *still gives me a headace.
It all boils down to a sociopathic inability to grasp that others
might validly have their own different point of view, and a
psychopathic insistence that they don't have the point of view
they describe.
That is the part I'm having a really hard time with. Most people
know that there are other people "out there" who disagree with them
about a lot of things (is licorice edible or not), and that tings
that you once took for granted are not true (adults knows
everything, or the neanderthals are direct ancestors of homo
sapiens), and that some lies does not work (claiming somebody's
shirt is black when it is really yellow). This is things that have
to be learnt though, and sometimes it seems that people get stuck
in a four(?)-year-old mode, all lies ar equally good, adults know
everyting and now I'm an adult therefore ...
I've met one person who didn't seem to grasp that she could be
wrong sometimes, that other peoples' opinions could be worth
considering, or that they might know things she hadn't heard about.
I'll get a large supply of aspirin and think some more about it.
Does that make sense? I suspect not, since we are talking about
religion.
In the developed world it seems a mainly American phenomenon.
I grew up in England, and in my first 40+ years only had two
people tell me what my POV "really" was.
It's a country where somebody's religion (or not) is their own
business and it is considered bad manners to bring it up
inappropriately.
It's the same here. Somebody mentioned god to me a couple of weeks
ago, and I had to pick my chin up from the floor.
Lisbeth.
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The day I don't learn anything new is the day I die.
*What we know is not nearly as interesting as *how we know it.
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| User: "Don Kresch" |
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26 Mar 2007 09:31:05 PM |
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In alt.atheism On 26 Mar 2007 13:41:17 -0700, "Jim Roberts"
<cjdroberts@gmail.com> let us all know that:
On Mar 26, 8:55 pm, "Lee" <me@localhost> wrote:
"Jim Roberts" <cjdrobe...@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1174938413.128201.129410@n59g2000hsh.googlegroups.com...
Imagine a 30 year old dedicated Atheist in a hospital, dying of some
horrible, incurable disease. How many given this situation would
"chicken out" at the last minute and call for the priest?
If you don't believe in an afterlife there is nothing to chicken out of and
what could be worse when your gasping your last, perhaps having a final
laugh and a joke with the nurse then some holyman comes in and starts
chanting mumbo jumbo over your fast failing body?
Lee
That's it. Atheism is so mind-numbingly boring, nothing more than the
"idol" in the temple with the empty pedestal representing no god.
Atheism makes one feel so small.
As opposed to the smallness one feels when one is told one is
a horrible sinner and needs the mercy of god to be worthy of life.
Atheism gives no pride in or to Life or living.
As opposed to the huge pride one feels when one is told one is
a horrible sinner and needs the mercy of god to be worthy of life.
Don
---
aa #51, Knight of BAAWA, DNRC o-, Member of the [H]orde
Atheist Minister for St. Dogbert.
"No being is so important that he can usurp the rights of another"
Picard to Data/Graves "The Schizoid Man"
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| User: "Brian E. Clark" |
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26 Mar 2007 09:34:45 PM |
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In article <1174941677.151861.278290
@n59g2000hsh.googlegroups.com>, Jim Roberts said...
Atheism makes one feel so small. Atheism gives no pride in or to Life
or living. Just die and that's that! Just die you insignificant speck
in the Universe. Your remains will disposed of hygienically.
It galls you, doesn't it, that people can live fulfilling
lives without the promise of eternal life, without some
external and constant assurance they matter in Big Scheme
of Things?
Are you so afraid, Jim so beset by constant worry that you
are as worthless as the world makes you feel -- so
overwrought that you cannot function without religious
succor?
It's the certainty with which Atheists declare
their position which frightens me.
No, it's your own uncertainty that frightens you.
They seem have no doubts about what they say at all.
That's not human. That's not natural.
You yourself demonstrate, Jim, that an inflated sense of
correctness is perfectly human and natural.
Again: not everyone quivers when the wind howls. Do
not try to judge all men using the yardstick of your own
existential uncertainty.
I just don't believe all so-called Atheists are
die-hards,
There's nothing "die-hard" about it. There is nothing
against which we are holding out, no need (unlike the case
for many Christians) to "recharge" once a week to maintain
equilibrium.
a large proportion will "chicken out" at the last
minute,
Would a Christian call on Zeus to help him?
even if only to dive into the bedside locker in the
hospital to find a copy of the Gideon
Bible or Koran or whatever.
Why bother? Many of us already know more about the Bible
than most Christians do.
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26 Mar 2007 08:39:34 PM |
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In article <1174941677.151861.278290@n59g2000hsh.googlegroups.com>,
Jim Roberts <cjdroberts@gmail.com> wrote:
That's it. Atheism is so mind-numbingly boring, nothing more than the
"idol" in the temple with the empty pedestal representing no god.
Some truths are entertaining and some truths are boring. If you
demand that the truth entertain you, you will reject a boring
truth and believe an entertaining falsehood instead. You may
tell yourself that you're seeking the truth, but you're really
just looking for a good time.
Atheism makes one feel so small. Atheism gives no pride in or to Life
or living. Just die and that's that! Just die you insignificant speck
in the Universe. Your remains will disposed of hygienically.
Some truths are flattering to us and some are unflattering.
If you demand that the truth flatter you, you will reject an
unflattering truth and believe a flattering falsehood instead.
You may tell yourself that you're seeking the truth, but you're
really just looking for an ego boost.
Do you see the pattern here?
There is only one thing that all truth does: describe some aspect
of reality accurately. Any other beneficial effect that any
particular truth happens to have is an accidental byproduct.
The next truth you encounter won't provide the same benefit.
The truth doesn't make you feel good, it doesn't give you hope,
it doesn't make people nice to each other, it doesn't set you
free, and it doesn't whiten your teeth. If you expect of the
truth that it will serve any of these purposes, sooner or later
you will reject a truth you find unsuitable because there will
be a falsehood that serves that purpose better.
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| User: "Rev. Karl E. Taylor" |
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26 Mar 2007 04:20:08 PM |
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Jim Roberts wrote:
On Mar 26, 8:55 pm, "Lee" <me@localhost> wrote:
"Jim Roberts" <cjdrobe...@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1174938413.128201.129410@n59g2000hsh.googlegroups.com...
Imagine a 30 year old dedicated Atheist in a hospital, dying of some
horrible, incurable disease. How many given this situation would
"chicken out" at the last minute and call for the priest?
If you don't believe in an afterlife there is nothing to chicken out of and
what could be worse when your gasping your last, perhaps having a final
laugh and a joke with the nurse then some holyman comes in and starts
chanting mumbo jumbo over your fast failing body?
Lee
That's it. Atheism is so mind-numbingly boring, nothing more than the
"idol" in the temple with the empty pedestal representing no god.
No gods involved. You are acting like an idiot.
Atheism makes one feel so small. Atheism gives no pride in or to Life
or living. Just die and that's that! Just die you insignificant speck
in the Universe. Your remains will disposed of hygienically.
Wow, what a pitiful example of low self esteem you have displayed here.
If this is how you think I see myself, you have much to learn little boy.
It's the certainty with which Atheists declare their position which
frightens me. They seem have no doubts about what they say at all.
That's not human. That's not natural.
And which position might that by bub?
I just don't believe all so-called Atheists are die-hards, a large
proportion will "chicken out" at the last minute, even if only to dive
into the bedside locker in the hospital to find a copy of the Gideon
Bible or Koran or whatever.
Funny how it's we atheists that are supposed to be the ones that
"chicken out" at the end, but it's the fundies and theists that
chickened out early on, from fear of something that can't be shown to be
real.
--
There are none more ignorant and useless,
than they that seek answers on their knees,
with their eyes closed.
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Rev. Karl E. Taylor http://www.secularity.com/ktayloraz
A.A #1143 http://azhotops.blogspot.com/
Apostle of Dr. Lao EAC: Virgin Conversion Unit Director
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| User: "stumper" |
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26 Mar 2007 04:13:54 PM |
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Jim Roberts wrote:
On Mar 26, 8:55 pm, "Lee" <me@localhost> wrote:
"Jim Roberts" <cjdrobe...@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1174938413.128201.129410@n59g2000hsh.googlegroups.com...
Imagine a 30 year old dedicated Atheist in a hospital, dying of some
horrible, incurable disease. How many given this situation would
"chicken out" at the last minute and call for the priest?
If you don't believe in an afterlife there is nothing to chicken out of and
what could be worse when your gasping your last, perhaps having a final
laugh and a joke with the nurse then some holyman comes in and starts
chanting mumbo jumbo over your fast failing body?
Lee
That's it. Atheism is so mind-numbingly boring, nothing more than the
"idol" in the temple with the empty pedestal representing no god.
Atheism makes one feel so small. Atheism gives no pride in or to Life
or living. Just die and that's that! Just die you insignificant speck
in the Universe. Your remains will disposed of hygienically.
It's the certainty with which Atheists declare their position which
frightens me. They seem have no doubts about what they say at all.
That's not human. That's not natural.
Quite probably so.
I just don't believe all so-called Atheists are die-hards, a large
proportion will "chicken out" at the last minute, even if only to dive
into the bedside locker in the hospital to find a copy of the Gideon
Bible or Koran or whatever.
Probably just wishful thinking.
They have their idol already.
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~Stumper
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| User: "Dubh Ghall" |
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28 Mar 2007 11:57:42 AM |
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On 26 Mar 2007 13:41:17 -0700, "Jim Roberts" <cjdroberts@gmail.com>
wrote:
On Mar 26, 8:55 pm, "Lee" <me@localhost> wrote:
"Jim Roberts" <cjdrobe...@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1174938413.128201.129410@n59g2000hsh.googlegroups.com...
Imagine a 30 year old dedicated Atheist in a hospital, dying of some
horrible, incurable disease. How many given this situation would
"chicken out" at the last minute and call for the priest?
If you don't believe in an afterlife there is nothing to chicken out of and
what could be worse when your gasping your last, perhaps having a final
laugh and a joke with the nurse then some holyman comes in and starts
chanting mumbo jumbo over your fast failing body?
Lee
That's it. Atheism is so mind-numbingly boring,
Where as religion, is mind numbingly stupid.
nothing more than the
"idol" in the temple with the empty pedestal representing no god.
No idols, and no temples, empty or otherwise.
Atheism makes one feel so small.
It ain't so much that it makes you feel small, but rather, it awakens
in a sense of wonder, at the grandeur of it all.
Atheism gives no pride in or to Life
or living.
That is true. Relevance?
Just die and that's that!
Yep.
Just die you insignificant speck in the Universe.
Yep.
Your remains will disposed of hygienically.
I sincerely hope so.
It's the certainty with which Atheists declare their position which
frightens me.
The willingness with which theists will kill for theirs, terrifies me.
They seem have no doubts about what they say at all.
That's not human. That's not natural.
We feel the same way about theists.
I just don't believe all so-called Atheists are die-hards, a large
proportion will "chicken out" at the last minute, even if only to dive
into the bedside locker in the hospital to find a copy of the Gideon
Bible or Koran or whatever.
Why?
To what end?
I can think of two reason, and two reasons only, why I would allow the
priest at my bed side, and perform his rituals.
The first is because one of our sons is a xtian.
The second, is because one of my friends is an RC priest, and another
is a CoE vicar.
I know that all three would be happier, having done whatever it is
they do.
....And face it, I would be at death's door, so it would make sod all
difference to me; I could afford to be generous.
--
The spelling Like any opinion stated here
purely my own
#162 BAAWA Knight.
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| User: "Christopher A.Lee" |
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26 Mar 2007 04:51:16 PM |
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On 26 Mar 2007 13:41:17 -0700, "Jim Roberts" <cjdroberts@gmail.com>
wrote:
On Mar 26, 8:55 pm, "Lee" <me@localhost> wrote:
"Jim Roberts" <cjdrobe...@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1174938413.128201.129410@n59g2000hsh.googlegroups.com...
Imagine a 30 year old dedicated Atheist in a hospital, dying of some
horrible, incurable disease. How many given this situation would
"chicken out" at the last minute and call for the priest?
If you don't believe in an afterlife there is nothing to chicken out of and
what could be worse when your gasping your last, perhaps having a final
laugh and a joke with the nurse then some holyman comes in and starts
chanting mumbo jumbo over your fast failing body?
Lee
That's it. Atheism is so mind-numbingly boring, nothing more than the
"idol" in the temple with the empty pedestal representing no god.
A liar as well as an idiot.
Atheism makes one feel so small. Atheism gives no pride in or to Life
or living. Just die and that's that! Just die you insignificant speck
in the Universe. Your remains will disposed of hygienically.
Moron.
It's the certainty with which Atheists declare their position which
frightens me. They seem have no doubts about what they say at all.
That's not human. That's not natural.
A liar as well as an idiot.
I just don't believe all so-called Atheists are die-hards, a large
proportion will "chicken out" at the last minute, even if only to dive
into the bedside locker in the hospital to find a copy of the Gideon
Bible or Koran or whatever.
Don't be so fucking stupid.
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| User: "Neil Kelsey" |
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26 Mar 2007 04:56:41 PM |
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On Mar 26, 12:41 pm, "Jim Roberts" <cjdrobe...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Mar 26, 8:55 pm, "Lee" <me@localhost> wrote:
"Jim Roberts" <cjdrobe...@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1174938413.128201.129410@n59g2000hsh.googlegroups.com...
Imagine a 30 year old dedicated Atheist in a hospital, dying of some
horrible, incurable disease. How many given this situation would
"chicken out" at the last minute and call for the priest?
If you don't believe in an afterlife there is nothing to chicken out of and
what could be worse when your gasping your last, perhaps having a final
laugh and a joke with the nurse then some holyman comes in and starts
chanting mumbo jumbo over your fast failing body?
Lee
That's it. Atheism is so mind-numbingly boring, nothing more than the
"idol" in the temple with the empty pedestal representing no god.
Another great argument!
Atheism is lack of belief in god
That is boring
Therefore there's a god!
Nice.
Atheism makes one feel so small. Atheism gives no pride in or to Life
or living.
You're proud of living? That is such a weird thing to say. You loons
can turn almost anything into a patriotism issue.
Just die and that's that! Just die you insignificant speck
in the Universe. Your remains will disposed of hygienically.
It's the certainty with which Atheists declare their position which
frightens me. They seem have no doubts about what they say at all.
That's not human. That's not natural.
You just made that statement without any doubts. What's the
difference?
I just don't believe all so-called Atheists are die-hards, a large
proportion will "chicken out" at the last minute, even if only to dive
into the bedside locker in the hospital to find a copy of the Gideon
Bible or Koran or whatever.
Knowing me, I might get someone to say a few words about the Flying
Spaghetti Monster. For a joke. But I doubt it.
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| User: "skyeyes" |
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27 Mar 2007 06:01:29 PM |
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On Mar 26, 1:41 pm, "Jim Roberts" <cjdrobe...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Mar 26, 8:55 pm, "Lee" <me@localhost> wrote:
"Jim Roberts" <cjdrobe...@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1174938413.128201.129410@n59g2000hsh.googlegroups.com...
Imagine a 30 year old dedicated Atheist in a hospital, dying of some
horrible, incurable disease. How many given this situation would
"chicken out" at the last minute and call for the priest?
If you don't believe in an afterlife there is nothing to chicken out of and
what could be worse when your gasping your last, perhaps having a final
laugh and a joke with the nurse then some holyman comes in and starts
chanting mumbo jumbo over your fast failing body?
Lee
That's it. Atheism is so mind-numbingly boring, nothing more than the
"idol" in the temple with the empty pedestal representing no god.
Atheism makes one feel so small. Atheism gives no pride in or to Life
or living. Just die and that's that! Just die you insignificant speck
in the Universe. Your remains will disposed of hygienically.
Not at all. As an atheist, I know that I am a natural part of the web
of life, and I am related to all other life forms. I *belong* on this
planet. I find that very satisfying.
I *you* have to believe you're the special pet of some super-being to
feel your life is significant, that's *your* problem. Personally, I
pity you.
It's the certainty with which Atheists declare their position which
frightens me. They seem have no doubts about what they say at all.
That's not human. That's not natural.
Actually, it's *quite* human and natural.
I just don't believe all so-called Atheists are die-hards, a large
proportion will "chicken out" at the last minute, even if only to dive
into the bedside locker in the hospital to find a copy of the Gideon
Bible or Koran or whatever.
<Shrug> I faced down death and didn't do that. I didn't even feel
fear at the thought of my own imminent death - merely annoyance,
because there would be so much I was to leave undone.
Brenda Nelson, A.A.#34
EAC Professor of Feline Thermometrics and Cat-Herding
skyeyes at dakotacom dot net
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27 Mar 2007 09:07:57 PM |
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skyeyes wrote:
<Shrug> I faced down death and didn't do that. I didn't even feel
fear at the thought of my own imminent death - merely annoyance,
because there would be so much I was to leave undone.
Brenda Nelson, A.A.#34
EAC Professor of Feline Thermometrics and Cat-Herding
skyeyes at dakotacom dot net
Good for you.
Some people just don't need
to believe in anything to live well.
But, would you be interested in
"meeting" the atheistic God,
if you don't have to believe
in miracles or the supernatural?
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~Stumper
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| User: "skyeyes" |
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28 Mar 2007 02:24:34 PM |
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On Mar 27, 7:07 pm, stumper <stum...@newvessel.com> wrote:
skyeyes wrote:
<Shrug> I faced down death and didn't do that. I didn't even feel
fear at the thought of my own imminent death - merely annoyance,
because there would be so much I was to leave undone.
Brenda Nelson, A.A.#34
EAC Professor of Feline Thermometrics and Cat-Herding
skyeyes at dakotacom dot net
Good for you.
Some people just don't need
to believe in anything to live well.
I believe in lots of things - just nothing supernatural.
But, would you be interested in
"meeting" the atheistic God,
if you don't have to believe
in miracles or the supernatural?
"Atheistic God" is a contradiction in terms. Atheists have no gods.
Hence the term ("a-theism," literally "without a god").
Brenda Nelson, A.A.#34
EAC Professor of Feline Thermometrics and Cat-Herding
skyeyes at dakotacom dot net
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