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"justiz" |
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03 Mar 2007 04:15:53 AM |
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Debunked |
Debunked - The bible is all true 100%
Debunked - The bible predicts 100%
Debunked - The bible is accurate history 100%
Debunked - Moses was a monotheist 75%
Debunked - Supergiants (over 100') 100%
Debunked - Regular giants (over 12') 95%
Debunked - Unicorns 100%
Debunked - Angels, saints, ghosts and other invisible religious
paraphernalia 100%
Debunked - Evolution 1%
Debunked - The world will end on ...(put any date here given by
religionists) 100%
Debunked - Mary was a virgin 100%
Debunked - Great flood 100%
Debunked - Noah's ark 100%
Debunked - Nazareth existed at the time of Jesus 99%
Debunked - Jesus existed as the bible states 100%
Debunked - Jesus existed 95%
Debunked - God turned the light on 100%
Debunked - Religion is good for you 100%
Debunked - Religion is good for civilization 100%
Debunked - All miracles 100%
Debunked - Life after death, heaven and hell 100%
Debunked - Creationism 100%
Debunked - ID 100%
Debunked - God 100%
References - this and similar groups, simple internet searches
Corrections and contributions please.
justiz
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| User: "Michael Gray" |
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| Title: Re: Debunked |
03 Mar 2007 03:51:55 PM |
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On 3 Mar 2007 02:15:53 -0800, "justiz" <izstanbul@gmail.com> wrote:
- Refer: <1172916953.648782.5040@s48g2000cws.googlegroups.com>
Debunked - The bible is all true 100%
Debunked - The bible predicts 100%
Debunked - The bible is accurate history 100%
Debunked - Moses was a monotheist 75%
Debunked - Supergiants (over 100') 100%
Debunked - Regular giants (over 12') 95%
Debunked - Unicorns 100%
Debunked - Angels, saints, ghosts and other invisible religious
paraphernalia 100%
Debunked - Evolution 1%
You had me nodding in agreement up to this point.
WHAT THE *****???
Evolution debunked to one percent???
Where are you from? The Creation Research Labs??!
What possible support could you have for that outrageous figure?
Why not zero %?
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| User: "Matt Silberstein" |
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| Title: Re: Debunked |
04 Mar 2007 12:00:09 PM |
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On Sun, 04 Mar 2007 08:21:55 +1030, in alt.atheism , Michael Gray
<mikegray@newsguy.com> in <1crju25b21vcfojfahkd4m8spa72sduerl@4ax.com>
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On 3 Mar 2007 02:15:53 -0800, "justiz" <izstanbul@gmail.com> wrote:
- Refer: <1172916953.648782.5040@s48g2000cws.googlegroups.com>
Debunked - The bible is all true 100%
Debunked - The bible predicts 100%
Debunked - The bible is accurate history 100%
Debunked - Moses was a monotheist 75%
Debunked - Supergiants (over 100') 100%
Debunked - Regular giants (over 12') 95%
Debunked - Unicorns 100%
Debunked - Angels, saints, ghosts and other invisible religious
paraphernalia 100%
Debunked - Evolution 1%
You had me nodding in agreement up to this point.
WHAT THE *****???
Evolution debunked to one percent???
Where are you from? The Creation Research Labs??!
What possible support could you have for that outrageous figure?
Why not zero %?
I missed that one. My bad.
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Matt Silberstein
Do something today about the Darfur Genocide
http://www.beawitness.org
http://www.darfurgenocide.org
http://www.savedarfur.org
"Darfur: A Genocide We can Stop"
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| User: "jem" |
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| Title: Re: Debunked |
03 Mar 2007 02:44:02 PM |
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On 3 Mar 2007 02:15:53 -0800, "justiz" <izstanbul@gmail.com> wrote:
Debunked - The bible is all true 100%
Debunked - The bible predicts 100%
Debunked - The bible is accurate history 100%
Debunked - Moses was a monotheist 75%
Debunked - Supergiants (over 100') 100%
Debunked - Regular giants (over 12') 95%
Debunked - Unicorns 100%
Debunked - Angels, saints, ghosts and other invisible religious
paraphernalia 100%
Debunked - Evolution 1%
Debunked - The world will end on ...(put any date here given by
religionists) 100%
Debunked - Mary was a virgin 100%
Debunked - Great flood 100%
Debunked - Noah's ark 100%
Debunked - Nazareth existed at the time of Jesus 99%
Debunked - Jesus existed as the bible states 100%
Debunked - Jesus existed 95%
Debunked - God turned the light on 100%
Debunked - Religion is good for you 100%
Debunked - Religion is good for civilization 100%
Debunked - All miracles 100%
Debunked - Life after death, heaven and hell 100%
Debunked - Creationism 100%
Debunked - ID 100%
Debunked - God 100%
References - this and similar groups, simple internet searches
Corrections and contributions please.
justiz
why is evolution on the list? a 1% shouldn't even register as
debunking should it?
just curious.
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| User: "Matt Silberstein" |
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| Title: Re: Debunked |
04 Mar 2007 11:59:40 AM |
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On 3 Mar 2007 02:15:53 -0800, in alt.atheism , "justiz"
<izstanbul@gmail.com> in
<1172916953.648782.5040@s48g2000cws.googlegroups.com> wrote:
Debunked - The bible is all true 100%
Debunked - The bible predicts 100%
Debunked - The bible is accurate history 100%
Debunked - Moses was a monotheist 75%
Debunked - Supergiants (over 100') 100%
Debunked - Regular giants (over 12') 95%
Debunked - Unicorns 100%
Debunked - Angels, saints, ghosts and other invisible religious
paraphernalia 100%
Debunked - Evolution 1%
Debunked - The world will end on ...(put any date here given by
religionists) 100%
Debunked - Mary was a virgin 100%
Debunked - Great flood 100%
Debunked - Noah's ark 100%
Debunked - Nazareth existed at the time of Jesus 99%
How so?
Debunked - Jesus existed as the bible states 100%
Debunked - Jesus existed 95%
Debunked - God turned the light on 100%
Debunked - Religion is good for you 100%
Debunked - Religion is good for civilization 100%
Debunked - All miracles 100%
Debunked - Life after death, heaven and hell 100%
How is this debunked, troll?
Debunked - Creationism 100%
Debunked - ID 100%
Debunked - God 100%
How so?
References - this and similar groups, simple internet searches
Corrections and contributions please.
You are a troll.
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Matt Silberstein
Do something today about the Darfur Genocide
http://www.beawitness.org
http://www.darfurgenocide.org
http://www.savedarfur.org
"Darfur: A Genocide We can Stop"
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| User: "Martin Phipps" |
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| Title: Re: Debunked |
03 Mar 2007 07:08:43 PM |
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On Mar 3, 6:15 pm, "justiz" <izstan...@gmail.com> wrote:
Debunked - The bible is all true 100%
Debunked - The bible predicts 100%
Debunked - The bible is accurate history 100%
Debunked - Moses was a monotheist 75%
Make that 100% The first commandment is not "Thou shalt not have
othet gods" but "Thow shalt not have other gods BEFORE ME". The first
commandment essentially says "Yehweh rules! Other gods suck!" It
implicitly implies that other gods exist.
Debunked - Supergiants (over 100') 100%
Debunked - Regular giants (over 12') 95%
Debunked - Unicorns 100%
Debunked - Angels, saints, ghosts and other invisible religious
paraphernalia 100%
Debunked - Evolution 1%
This should be 0%.
Debunked - The world will end on ...(put any date here given by
religionists) 100%
Debunked - Mary was a virgin 100%
Debunked - Great flood 100%
Global flood 100%
Local floods happen all the time.
Debunked - Noah's ark 100%
Oh I'm sure there was a Noah who rescued HIS animals with HIS boat but
it probably no bigger than any other boat used at the time to carry
animals and grain along the Tigris and Euphrates rivers, so strictly
speaking Noah's ark 50%.
Debunked - Nazareth existed at the time of Jesus 99%
Debunked - Jesus existed as the bible states 100%
Debunked - Jesus existed 95%
Redundant. It is absolutely certain that there was at least one man
named Jesus. It's only a name after all. You should consolidate
these two as Jesus was the son of God 100% and Jesus performed
miracles 100%.
Debunked - God turned the light on 100%
Debunked - Religion is good for you 100%
Debunked - Religion is good for civilization 100%
Debunked - All miracles 100%
Debunked - Life after death, heaven and hell 100%
Debunked - Creationism 100%
Debunked - ID 100%
Debunked - God 100%
Martin
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| User: "justiz" |
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| Title: Re: Debunked |
03 Mar 2007 08:41:17 PM |
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On Mar 4, 3:08 am, "Martin Phipps" <martinphip...@yahoo.com> wrote:
On Mar 3, 6:15 pm, "justiz" <izstan...@gmail.com> wrote:
Debunked - The bible is all true 100%
Debunked - The bible predicts 100%
Debunked - The bible is accurate history 100%
Debunked - Moses was a monotheist 75%
Make that 100% The first commandment is not "Thou shalt not have
othet gods" but "Thow shalt not have other gods BEFORE ME". The first
commandment essentially says "Yehweh rules! Other gods suck!" It
implicitly implies that other gods exist.
Debunked - Supergiants (over 100') 100%
Debunked - Regular giants (over 12') 95%
Debunked - Unicorns 100%
Debunked - Angels, saints, ghosts and other invisible religious
paraphernalia 100%
Debunked - Evolution 1%
This should be 0%.
Debunked - The world will end on ...(put any date here given by
religionists) 100%
Debunked - Mary was a virgin 100%
Debunked - Great flood 100%
Global flood 100%
Local floods happen all the time.
Debunked - Noah's ark 100%
Oh I'm sure there was a Noah who rescued HIS animals with HIS boat but
it probably no bigger than any other boat used at the time to carry
animals and grain along the Tigris and Euphrates rivers, so strictly
speaking Noah's ark 50%.
Debunked - Nazareth existed at the time of Jesus 99%
Debunked - Jesus existed as the bible states 100%
Debunked - Jesus existed 95%
Redundant. It is absolutely certain that there was at least one man
named Jesus. It's only a name after all. You should consolidate
these two as Jesus was the son of God 100% and Jesus performed
miracles 100%.
Debunked - God turned the light on 100%
Debunked - Religion is good for you 100%
Debunked - Religion is good for civilization 100%
Debunked - All miracles 100%
Debunked - Life after death, heaven and hell 100%
Debunked - Creationism 100%
Debunked - ID 100%
Debunked - God 100%
Martin
Agreed with all but Moses and Noah. I remember reading there were
similar legends predating the Noah version and Noah was most likely a
compilation from these. I also remember reading to build a boat to the
given dimensions could not be done with wood as it would collapse of
it's own weight. Two of every animal would have needed 27 aircraft
carriers by someone's estimation. (not certain on 27). Even if his own
local animals were taken to be all the animals in the world he knew,
keeping them alive for around a year would have been impossible and
finding food after the flood would have been impossible for a long
time after that. Why on earth would they use a real event/person in a
legend? I guess it isn't outside the bounds of possibility when other
factors are taken as truly vast exaggeration, the extent of the
flooding and the length of time in flood, the depth of the flood, and
rather than think it just a good story, be based on a local event
whose retelling bears little resemblance to fact. I guess in argument
for, other legends have facts at their root. I retreat from 100 but
way more than 50
For Moses, that is the only reference to his belief in other gods that
I could discover. It could be taken to mean "you shall not believe in
other gods". Then there is the ever present bogey of mistranslation,
if he was speaking in a language other than Greek. He could have
changed his views at a date after that, and there is always the
possibility of the observer having imposed his take on what Moses
meant.
It could be that he was talking to caananites and he was easing them
in. I've seen it as "Thou shalt not have other gods besides me". He
could have made a slip if it was unrehearsed. Lack of supportive
evidence. I think this deserves to be held at 75 pending more
evidence.
Time to go, thanks for the company, catch uall later if you're around.
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| User: "Martin Phipps" |
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| Title: Re: Debunked |
04 Mar 2007 04:22:25 AM |
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On Mar 4, 10:41 am, "justiz" <izstan...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Mar 4, 3:08 am, "Martin Phipps" <martinphip...@yahoo.com> wrote:
On Mar 3, 6:15 pm, "justiz" <izstan...@gmail.com> wrote:
Debunked - The bible is all true 100%
Debunked - The bible predicts 100%
Debunked - The bible is accurate history 100%
Debunked - Moses was a monotheist 75%
Make that 100% The first commandment is not "Thou shalt not have
othet gods" but "Thow shalt not have other gods BEFORE ME". The first
commandment essentially says "Yehweh rules! Other gods suck!" It
implicitly implies that other gods exist.
Debunked - Supergiants (over 100') 100%
Debunked - Regular giants (over 12') 95%
Debunked - Unicorns 100%
Debunked - Angels, saints, ghosts and other invisible religious
paraphernalia 100%
Debunked - Evolution 1%
This should be 0%.
Debunked - The world will end on ...(put any date here given by
religionists) 100%
Debunked - Mary was a virgin 100%
Debunked - Great flood 100%
Global flood 100%
Local floods happen all the time.
Debunked - Noah's ark 100%
Oh I'm sure there was a Noah who rescued HIS animals with HIS boat but
it probably no bigger than any other boat used at the time to carry
animals and grain along the Tigris and Euphrates rivers, so strictly
speaking Noah's ark 50%.
Debunked - Nazareth existed at the time of Jesus 99%
Debunked - Jesus existed as the bible states 100%
Debunked - Jesus existed 95%
Redundant. It is absolutely certain that there was at least one man
named Jesus. It's only a name after all. You should consolidate
these two as Jesus was the son of God 100% and Jesus performed
miracles 100%.
Debunked - God turned the light on 100%
Debunked - Religion is good for you 100%
Debunked - Religion is good for civilization 100%
Debunked - All miracles 100%
Debunked - Life after death, heaven and hell 100%
Debunked - Creationism 100%
Debunked - ID 100%
Debunked - God 100%
Agreed with all but Moses and Noah. I remember reading there were
similar legends predating the Noah version and Noah was most likely a
compilation from these.
http://www.flood-myth.com
I also remember reading to build a boat to the
given dimensions could not be done with wood as it would collapse of
it's own weight.
Granted but that could just have been a mistranslation. Besides,
measurements in those days were based on things like the (literal)
length of a foot or the span of a hand, things that would actually
vary from person to person.
Two of every animal would have needed 27 aircraft
carriers by someone's estimation. (not certain on 27). Even if his own
local animals were taken to be all the animals in the world he knew,
keeping them alive for around a year would have been impossible and
finding food after the flood would have been impossible for a long
time after that. Why on earth would they use a real event/person in a
legend? I guess it isn't outside the bounds of possibility when other
factors are taken as truly vast exaggeration, the extent of the
flooding and the length of time in flood, the depth of the flood, and
rather than think it just a good story, be based on a local event
whose retelling bears little resemblance to fact. I guess in argument
for, other legends have facts at their root. I retreat from 100 but
way more than 50
All the different legends give a different name for Noah, oddly
enough. Then again, the names of the Greek and Roman gods are vastly
different but we accept that they are the same gods. I happen to
believe that most myths are based on legends and that all legends are
at least partly true. (eg, there was a place called Troy.)
For Moses, that is the only reference to his belief in other gods that
I could discover. It could be taken to mean "you shall not believe in
other gods". Then there is the ever present bogey of mistranslation,
if he was speaking in a language other than Greek. He could have
changed his views at a date after that, and there is always the
possibility of the observer having imposed his take on what Moses
meant.
It could be that he was talking to caananites and he was easing them
in. I've seen it as "Thou shalt not have other gods besides me". He
could have made a slip if it was unrehearsed. Lack of supportive
evidence. I think this deserves to be held at 75 pending more
evidence.
I also hold that the Hebrew slaughter of Baal worshippers meant that
they considered Baal worshippers evil which meant that they considered
Baal evil which meant that they believed Baal existed. Satan was
never mentioned by name in the old testament so perhaps Satan was just
a new name for Baal.
But I'll agree to 75% if "Thou shalt have no other gods BEFORE ME."
could be a mistranslation or slip of the tongue.
Martin
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| User: "justiz" |
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| Title: Re: Debunked |
04 Mar 2007 10:05:06 AM |
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Debunked - The bible is all true 100%
Debunked - The bible predicts 100%
Debunked - The bible is all accurate history 100%
Debunked - Moses was a monotheist 75%
Debunked - Supergiants (over 100') 100%
Debunked - Regular giants (over 12') 95%
Debunked - Unicorns 100%
Debunked - Angels, saints, ghosts and other invisible religious
paraphernalia 100%
Debunked - The world will end on ...(put any date here given by
religionists) 100%
Debunked - Mary was a virgin 99%
Debunked - Great flood 100%
Debunked - Noah's ark 90%
Debunked - Nazareth existed at the time of Jesus 90%
Debunked - Jesus was the son of God 100%
Debunked - Jesus performed miracles 100%
Debunked - God turned the light on 100%
Debunked - Religion is good for individuals 100%
Debunked - Religion is good for civilization 100%
Debunked - All miracles 100%
Debunked - Life after death, heaven and hell 100%
Debunked - Creationism 100%
Debunked - ID 100%
Debunked - God 100%
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| User: "Michael Gray" |
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| Title: Re: Debunked |
04 Mar 2007 04:37:21 PM |
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On 4 Mar 2007 08:05:06 -0800, "justiz" <izstanbul@gmail.com> wrote:
- Refer: <1173024306.264666.34090@h3g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>
Debunked - The bible is all true 100%
Debunked - The bible predicts 100%
Debunked - The bible is all accurate history 100%
Debunked - Moses was a monotheist 75%
Debunked - Supergiants (over 100') 100%
Debunked - Regular giants (over 12') 95%
Debunked - Unicorns 100%
Debunked - Angels, saints, ghosts and other invisible religious
paraphernalia 100%
Debunked - The world will end on ...(put any date here given by
religionists) 100%
Debunked - Mary was a virgin 99%
Debunked - Great flood 100%
Debunked - Noah's ark 90%
Debunked - Nazareth existed at the time of Jesus 90%
Debunked - Jesus was the son of God 100%
Debunked - Jesus performed miracles 100%
Debunked - God turned the light on 100%
Debunked - Religion is good for individuals 100%
Debunked - Religion is good for civilization 100%
Debunked - All miracles 100%
Debunked - Life after death, heaven and hell 100%
Debunked - Creationism 100%
Debunked - ID 100%
Debunked - God 100%
Much better!
8/10 and a gold star.
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| User: "MarkA" |
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| Title: Re: Debunked |
03 Mar 2007 03:58:28 PM |
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On Sat, 03 Mar 2007 02:15:53 -0800, justiz wrote:
Debunked - The bible is all true 100% Debunked - The bible predicts 100%
Debunked - The bible is accurate history 100% Debunked - Moses was a
monotheist 75% Debunked - Supergiants (over 100') 100% Debunked - Regular
giants (over 12') 95% Debunked - Unicorns 100%
Debunked - Angels, saints, ghosts and other invisible religious
paraphernalia 100%
Debunked - Evolution 1%
Debunked - The world will end on ...(put any date here given by
religionists) 100%
Debunked - Mary was a virgin 100%
Debunked - Great flood 100%
Debunked - Noah's ark 100%
Debunked - Nazareth existed at the time of Jesus 99% Debunked - Jesus
existed as the bible states 100% Debunked - Jesus existed 95%
Debunked - God turned the light on 100% Debunked - Religion is good for
you 100% Debunked - Religion is good for civilization 100% Debunked - All
miracles 100%
Debunked - Life after death, heaven and hell 100% Debunked - Creationism
100%
Debunked - ID 100%
Debunked - God 100%
References - this and similar groups, simple internet searches
Corrections and contributions please.
justiz
Debunked - religionists will change their minds because of logical
arguments 100%
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MarkA
(this space accidentally filled in)
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| User: "justiz" |
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| Title: Re: Debunked |
03 Mar 2007 05:43:59 PM |
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Jem, guess I was looking for company, sigh. Consider it so amended. 0
Thought everyone had gone out to watch the world end :-)
MarkA if you make that fundies and jws I'd agree, but surely there
have been some chrispies deconverted?
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| User: "jem" |
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| Title: Re: Debunked |
03 Mar 2007 06:08:54 PM |
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On 3 Mar 2007 15:43:59 -0800, "justiz" <izstanbul@gmail.com> wrote:
Jem, guess I was looking for company, sigh. Consider it so amended. 0
Thought everyone had gone out to watch the world end :-)
MarkA if you make that fundies and jws I'd agree, but surely there
have been some chrispies deconverted?
aw *****- I missed the world's end?
I need to go out more often.....
I am a bit curious about the 1%, I am not trying to beat on you or
flog a dead horse an so on, is it about answers not known yet or
because of such vehement opposition to the theory?
I am not an expert or know a lot of the details of the theory, I guess
just the average schmuck's familiarity, I am of the thinking it is
pretty solid science, one real finding could blow it out of the water
and that has never happened. As science theory goes, it's essentially
a fact as I understand it.
~I've seen it elsewhere but I don't know what a chrispie is, would you
mind telling me what that is?
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| User: "justiz" |
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| Title: Re: Debunked |
03 Mar 2007 06:39:16 PM |
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~I've seen it elsewhere but I don't know what a chrispie is, would you
mind telling me what that is?
By their own definition most christians are going to burn. To a crisp.
Just a homemade nic for them.
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| User: "jem" |
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| Title: Re: Debunked |
04 Mar 2007 11:07:10 AM |
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On 3 Mar 2007 16:39:16 -0800, "justiz" <izstanbul@gmail.com> wrote:
~I've seen it elsewhere but I don't know what a chrispie is, would you
mind telling me what that is?
By their own definition most christians are going to burn. To a crisp.
Just a homemade nic for them.
Ok, good name.
chrispie could be all of us by their definition I suppose.
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| User: "justiz" |
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| Title: Re: Debunked |
03 Mar 2007 06:31:18 PM |
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On Mar 4, 2:08 am, jem <A0054...@airmail.net> wrote:
On 3 Mar 2007 15:43:59 -0800, "justiz" <izstan...@gmail.com> wrote:
Jem, guess I was looking for company, sigh. Consider it so amended. 0
Thought everyone had gone out to watch the world end :-)
MarkA if you make that fundies and jws I'd agree, but surely there
have been some chrispies deconverted?
aw *****- I missed the world's end?
I need to go out more often.....
I am a bit curious about the 1%, I am not trying to beat on you or
flog a dead horse an so on, is it about answers not known yet or
because of such vehement opposition to the theory?
I am not an expert or know a lot of the details of the theory, I guess
just the average schmuck's familiarity, I am of the thinking it is
pretty solid science, one real finding could blow it out of the water
and that has never happened. As science theory goes, it's essentially
a fact as I understand it.
~I've seen it elsewhere but I don't know what a chrispie is, would you
mind telling me what that is?
I hate to admit to typos. I had considered that beyond unreasonable
doubt is required as this is something that affects a massive number
of people. I also considered there are 3 top scientists out of a group
of 8 who believe in a god. I also considered that this is my
perception together with my perception of others perception if that
makes any sense. Then I decided a fact is a fact. But the then I
considered the string theory, quarks time traveling, leaving a dog
without a bone. Then god made me click on send before I had a chance
to change it. Or the devil.
My first excuse stands.
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