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"neo" |
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06 Jan 2005 02:16:50 PM |
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Definition of "Supernatural Power" |
If I go back in time, say 25000 years ago, I find that if a person want
to communicate a message to another person 10,000 miles away, (s)he or
someone will have to go 1000 miles away to communicate that message. It
tooks months to deliver message and come back.
If I go back in time and give these persons a cell phone, they can
communicate with each anytime in comfort of their homes and I am sure
they will treat me as someone having "supernatural power", something
like "God". My supernatural status will continue until I explain how
does cell phones work. After that, cell phones will be another thing
like bows and arrow for those people.
The things we see around us today i.e. cell phones, TV, computers etc.
are just things for us but when we go back in time and tell people that
such things really exists, they will not believe me until I show them.
When I show them, I am "supernatural" until I explain physics behind
those things.
So when you talk about proving existence of God, what supernatural
powers you are talking? You will say that you should do *this*
supernatural thing to prove existence of God. And if someone do it and
explain how he did it on basis of "new physics theory", it is no more a
supernatural thing!
You may ask to change position and orbits of planets to prove existence
of God. If some person really do it and explain how he/she did it on
basis of physics theory, then you can also do it and it is no more
supernatural thing for you. Even after doing such crazy thing, you will
still find yourself questioning existence of God.
The word "supernatural" is dependent on time. Something which is
"supernatural" today, it will be just another physics, natural
phenomenon tomorrow.
So what *thing* do you think is "supernatural" to prove existence of
God?
-neo.
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| User: "JTEM" |
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| Title: Re: Definition of "Supernatural Power" |
06 Jan 2005 04:42:44 PM |
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"neo" <Abhijeet_B_Patil@hotmail.com> wrote
So when you talk about proving existence of God, what
supernatural powers you are talking?
"Supernatural" powers would be powers that defy the laws
of science.
Advanced technology, though perhaps not understood, would
not qualify as "Supernatural."
"Unexplained," yes, but not "Supernatural."
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| User: "ernobe" |
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| Title: Re: Definition of "Supernatural Power" |
06 Jan 2005 11:36:31 PM |
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So what *thing* do you think is "supernatural" to prove existence of
God?
The power that produced one of the things you mentioned is the same power that
produced the other ones, and to give it a name it is called the soul, and the
fact that the soul itself was not one of the things produced by other souls
implies the existence of a Creator that is independent of them.
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"The world of existence is an emanation of the merciful attribute of God."
Abdul-Baha
http://www.costarricense.cr/pagina/ernobe
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| User: "-Alan aa#1608 BAAWA" |
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| Title: Re: Definition of "Supernatural Power" |
07 Jan 2005 02:37:20 AM |
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ernobe wrote:
So what *thing* do you think is "supernatural" to prove existence
of
God?
The power that produced one of the things you mentioned is the same
power that
produced the other ones, and to give it a name it is called the soul,
and the
fact that the soul itself was not one of the things produced by other
souls
implies the existence of a Creator that is independent of them.
Now all you have to do is prove the existence of souls. Isn't it
lovely how your two unprovable things support each other so well?
BTW, did you know that a Grracch is absolute proof of the existence of
the Great Ploover?
-Alan
aa#1608 BAAWA
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| User: "Jez" |
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| Title: Re: Definition of "Supernatural Power" |
07 Jan 2005 08:23:58 PM |
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ernobe wrote:
So what *thing* do you think is "supernatural" to prove existence of
God?
The power that produced one of the things you mentioned is the same power that
produced the other ones, and to give it a name it is called the soul, and the
fact that the soul itself was not one of the things produced by other souls
implies the existence of a Creator that is independent of them.
Urrrrr...what ?
--
Jez
'Realism is seductive because once you have accepted the reasonable
notion that you should base your actions on reality, you are too often
led to accept, without much questioning, someone else's version of what
that reality is. It is a crucial act of independent thinking to be
skeptical of someone else's description of reality.'-
Howard Zinn
NFS Underground2, Americas Army And MOH-PA
yahoo ID: hellward2004
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| User: "Josef Balluch" |
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| Title: Re: Definition of "Supernatural Power" |
07 Jan 2005 03:43:28 AM |
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In a message sent 'round the world, neo poured fuel on the fire with the
following:
If I go back in time, say 25000 years ago, I find that if a person want
to communicate a message to another person 10,000 miles away, ...
LOL !! Sparky, no one at that time would likely ever travel 10,000
miles, or 5,000 for that matter. No one would know anyone else that is
10,000 miles away.
(s)he or
someone will have to go 1000 miles away to communicate that message.
????? Did you forget something?
It
tooks months to deliver message and come back.
That's the postal service for you. Nothing much has changed.
If I go back in time and give these persons a cell phone, they can
communicate with each anytime in comfort of their homes ...
ROTFL ! You forgot a few details. Such as the cell sites, telephone
network, switching systems, hydro electric power, ...
... and I am sure
they will treat me as someone having "supernatural power", something
like "God". My supernatural status will continue until I explain how
does cell phones work. After that, cell phones will be another thing
like bows and arrow for those people.
ROTFL !! Wait till they see the phone bill.
....
The word "supernatural" is dependent on time. Something which is
"supernatural" today, it will be just another physics, natural
phenomenon tomorrow.
So what *thing* do you think is "supernatural" to prove existence of
God?
IOW, you are saying that there is only the natural. So much for your
deity.
Regards,
Josef
Our ignorance is God; what we know is science.
-- Robert Green Ingersoll
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| User: "nJb" |
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| Title: Re: Definition of "Supernatural Power" |
08 Jan 2005 05:48:15 AM |
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The cell phone wouldn't work because there were no cell towers back
then.
Jack
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| User: "steve" |
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| Title: Re: Definition of "Supernatural Power" |
06 Jan 2005 02:37:32 PM |
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| The word "supernatural" is dependent on time. Something which is
| "supernatural" today, it will be just another physics, natural
| phenomenon tomorrow.
"supernatural" is not dependent on time. you could have saved us all the
reading - and yourself some typing - if you just posted the definition of
the word.
| So what *thing* do you think is "supernatural" to prove existence of
| God?
if you are not agnostic, then you are certainly approaching that line of
reasoning without knowing it.
final thought...one is not restricted to proving gawd's existence by
supernatural phenomenon. i think we'd (atheists) accept *any* verifiable
indication in the affirmative...we simply don't understand how theists rely
on none.
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