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04 Oct 2005 12:22:46 PM |
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DeLay faces life in prison |
Washington Post
A Texas grand jury indicted Rep. Tom DeLay on Monday for alleged
money-laundering related to the 2002 Texas election, raising new and
more serious allegations than the conspiracy charge lodged against the
former House majority leader last week. ...
A different grand jury -- which had no prior involvement in the case
-- brought the new charges, which roughly match allegations made
against two of DeLay's political associates one year ago. ...
Earle, who spoke to reporters after last week's action, did not
explain his decision to present his case to a new grand jury on the
first day it met. DeLay spokesman Kevin Madden said that Earle took
the action after he "panicked" when realizing his error in bringing
last week's charges.
But a source close to the investigation, who spoke on condition of
anonymity because he lacked authority to speak publicly, noted that
Earle told reporters last week that his investigation was continuing
and asserted that Earle had intended to bring these charges even
before the challenge raised by DeLay's lawyers.
Whatever the reason, the potential consequences for DeLay are more
dire. Both money-laundering crimes are more serious felonies, and the
maximum punishment is life in jail....
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04 Oct 2005 02:48:16 PM |
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THEN WE WILL BURN THAT HOUSE TO THE GROUND
bob wrote:
Washington Post
A Texas grand jury indicted Rep. Tom DeLay on Monday for alleged
money-laundering related to the 2002 Texas election, raising new and
more serious allegations than the conspiracy charge lodged against the
former House majority leader last week. ...
A different grand jury -- which had no prior involvement in the case
-- brought the new charges, which roughly match allegations made
against two of DeLay's political associates one year ago. ...
Earle, who spoke to reporters after last week's action, did not
explain his decision to present his case to a new grand jury on the
first day it met. DeLay spokesman Kevin Madden said that Earle took
the action after he "panicked" when realizing his error in bringing
last week's charges.
But a source close to the investigation, who spoke on condition of
anonymity because he lacked authority to speak publicly, noted that
Earle told reporters last week that his investigation was continuing
and asserted that Earle had intended to bring these charges even
before the challenge raised by DeLay's lawyers.
Whatever the reason, the potential consequences for DeLay are more
dire. Both money-laundering crimes are more serious felonies, and the
maximum punishment is life in jail....
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04 Oct 2005 12:25:30 PM |
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On Tue, 04 Oct 2005 12:22:46 -0500, bob <www@net.com> wrote:
Washington Post
A Texas grand jury indicted Rep. Tom DeLay on Monday for alleged
money-laundering related to the 2002 Texas election, raising new and
more serious allegations than the conspiracy charge lodged against the
former House majority leader last week. ...
A different grand jury -- which had no prior involvement in the case
-- brought the new charges, which roughly match allegations made
against two of DeLay's political associates one year ago. ...
Earle, who spoke to reporters after last week's action, did not
explain his decision to present his case to a new grand jury on the
first day it met. DeLay spokesman Kevin Madden said that Earle took
the action after he "panicked" when realizing his error in bringing
last week's charges.
But a source close to the investigation, who spoke on condition of
anonymity because he lacked authority to speak publicly, noted that
Earle told reporters last week that his investigation was continuing
and asserted that Earle had intended to bring these charges even
before the challenge raised by DeLay's lawyers.
Whatever the reason, the potential consequences for DeLay are more
dire. Both money-laundering crimes are more serious felonies, and the
maximum punishment is life in jail....
Geez. I'm no fan of DeLay and admittedly don't know all the details of
the case, but life in prison for money laundering seems a bit
excessive to me.
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04 Oct 2005 01:54:43 PM |
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"John Baker" <nunya@biziniz.net> wrote in message
news:eme5k19kvvmort3spsod02khkaia7qtohl@4ax.com...
: On Tue, 04 Oct 2005 12:22:46 -0500, bob <www@net.com> wrote:
[snip]
: >Whatever the reason, the potential consequences for DeLay are more
: >dire. Both money-laundering crimes are more serious felonies, and
the
: >maximum punishment is life in jail....
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: Geez. I'm no fan of DeLay and admittedly don't know all the details
of
: the case, but life in prison for money laundering seems a bit
: excessive to me.
Not compared to life in prison for selling a bit of weed. The
right-wingers are such big fans of hard punishments for minor crimes,
they should take it when it comes back around.
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05 Oct 2005 05:58:50 AM |
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John Baker wrote:
On Tue, 04 Oct 2005 12:22:46 -0500, bob <www@net.com> wrote:
Washington Post
A Texas grand jury indicted Rep. Tom DeLay on Monday for alleged
money-laundering related to the 2002 Texas election, raising new and
more serious allegations than the conspiracy charge lodged against the
former House majority leader last week. ...
<snip>
Whatever the reason, the potential consequences for DeLay are more
dire. Both money-laundering crimes are more serious felonies, and the
maximum punishment is life in jail....
Geez. I'm no fan of DeLay and admittedly don't know all the details of
the case, but life in prison for money laundering seems a bit
excessive to me.
Michael Milken, the S&L collapse, WorldCom, Enron, Parmalat
and drove people into bankruptcy, loss of their homes,
suicide, and just generally ruined their lives.
Why should someone who steals with a pen be treated more
leniently than someone who steals with a gun? The gun
wielder may be more violent, but he doesn't destroy a
thousand people's lives all at once.
Bob Dog
Atheist #153 = 1^3 + 5^3 + 3^3
EAC's chief cook and brainwasher
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"America is at that awkward stage. It's too late to work
within the system, but too early to shoot the bastards."
- Claire Wolfe
"I disagree with the second part."
- Detective Somerset of "Se7en", paraphrased
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05 Oct 2005 06:53:27 PM |
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On 5 Oct 2005 03:58:50 -0700, wrote:
John Baker wrote:
On Tue, 04 Oct 2005 12:22:46 -0500, bob <www@net.com> wrote:
Washington Post
A Texas grand jury indicted Rep. Tom DeLay on Monday for alleged
money-laundering related to the 2002 Texas election, raising new and
more serious allegations than the conspiracy charge lodged against the
former House majority leader last week. ...
<snip>
Whatever the reason, the potential consequences for DeLay are more
dire. Both money-laundering crimes are more serious felonies, and the
maximum punishment is life in jail....
Geez. I'm no fan of DeLay and admittedly don't know all the details of
the case, but life in prison for money laundering seems a bit
excessive to me.
Michael Milken, the S&L collapse, WorldCom, Enron, Parmalat
and drove people into bankruptcy, loss of their homes,
suicide, and just generally ruined their lives.
Why should someone who steals with a pen be treated more
leniently than someone who steals with a gun? The gun
wielder may be more violent, but he doesn't destroy a
thousand people's lives all at once.
Nor, generally, does one receive a life sentence for armed robbery.
DeLay is a worthless piece of human garbage, no doubt about it, but to
give a liar and thief the same sentence as a serial killer still seems
excessive to me.
Bob Dog
Atheist #153 = 1^3 + 5^3 + 3^3
EAC's chief cook and brainwasher
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"America is at that awkward stage. It's too late to work
within the system, but too early to shoot the bastards."
- Claire Wolfe
"I disagree with the second part."
- Detective Somerset of "Se7en", paraphrased
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06 Oct 2005 08:36:56 PM |
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On 5 Oct 2005 03:58:50 -0700, wrote:
John Baker wrote:
On Tue, 04 Oct 2005 12:22:46 -0500, bob <www@net.com> wrote:
Washington Post
A Texas grand jury indicted Rep. Tom DeLay on Monday for alleged
money-laundering related to the 2002 Texas election, raising new and
more serious allegations than the conspiracy charge lodged against the
former House majority leader last week. ...
<snip>
Whatever the reason, the potential consequences for DeLay are more
dire. Both money-laundering crimes are more serious felonies, and the
maximum punishment is life in jail....
Geez. I'm no fan of DeLay and admittedly don't know all the details of
the case, but life in prison for money laundering seems a bit
excessive to me.
Michael Milken, the S&L collapse, WorldCom, Enron, Parmalat
and drove people into bankruptcy, loss of their homes,
suicide, and just generally ruined their lives.
Why should someone who steals with a pen be treated more
leniently than someone who steals with a gun? The gun
wielder may be more violent, but he doesn't destroy a
thousand people's lives all at once.
The gun wielder's being punished for only destroying a few people's
lives and not the thousand, or more.
--
Contempt of Congress meter reading-offscale.
Hello, theocracy with a fundamentalist US Supreme
Court who will ensure church and state are joined
at the hip like clergy and altar boys.
America 1776-Jan 2001 RIP
"As democracy is perfected, the office of president
represents, more and more closely, the inner soul
of the people. On some great and glorious day the
plain folks of the land will reach their heart's
desire at last and the White House will be adorned
by a downright moron." --- H.L. Mencken (1880 - 1956)
Religion is the original war crime.
-Michelle Malkin (Feb 26, 2005)
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05 Oct 2005 09:39:14 PM |
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Le Tue, 04 Oct 2005 17:25:30 +0000, John Baker a écrit :
Geez. I'm no fan of DeLay and admittedly don't know all the details of the
case, but life in prison for money laundering seems a bit excessive to me.
It's not. He has been awarded, as a member of congress and majority
leader, a great deal of power; with it comes a great deal of
responsibility.
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| User: "stoney" |
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06 Oct 2005 08:35:52 PM |
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On Tue, 04 Oct 2005 17:25:30 GMT, John Baker <nunya@biziniz.net>
wrote:
On Tue, 04 Oct 2005 12:22:46 -0500, bob <www@net.com> wrote:
Washington Post
A Texas grand jury indicted Rep. Tom DeLay on Monday for alleged
money-laundering related to the 2002 Texas election, raising new and
more serious allegations than the conspiracy charge lodged against the
former House majority leader last week. ...
A different grand jury -- which had no prior involvement in the case
-- brought the new charges, which roughly match allegations made
against two of DeLay's political associates one year ago. ...
Earle, who spoke to reporters after last week's action, did not
explain his decision to present his case to a new grand jury on the
first day it met. DeLay spokesman Kevin Madden said that Earle took
the action after he "panicked" when realizing his error in bringing
last week's charges.
But a source close to the investigation, who spoke on condition of
anonymity because he lacked authority to speak publicly, noted that
Earle told reporters last week that his investigation was continuing
and asserted that Earle had intended to bring these charges even
before the challenge raised by DeLay's lawyers.
Whatever the reason, the potential consequences for DeLay are more
dire. Both money-laundering crimes are more serious felonies, and the
maximum punishment is life in jail....
Geez. I'm no fan of DeLay and admittedly don't know all the details of
the case, but life in prison for money laundering seems a bit
excessive to me.
He's almost what, 60? At this time just about any sentence would be a
life sentence.
--
Contempt of Congress meter reading-offscale.
Hello, theocracy with a fundamentalist US Supreme
Court who will ensure church and state are joined
at the hip like clergy and altar boys.
America 1776-Jan 2001 RIP
"As democracy is perfected, the office of president
represents, more and more closely, the inner soul
of the people. On some great and glorious day the
plain folks of the land will reach their heart's
desire at last and the White House will be adorned
by a downright moron." --- H.L. Mencken (1880 - 1956)
Religion is the original war crime.
-Michelle Malkin (Feb 26, 2005)
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04 Oct 2005 12:30:31 PM |
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bob <www@net.com> wrote in news:mie5k15kidu12euckg68abnusegpr470p6@
4ax.com:
Washington Post
A Texas grand jury indicted Rep. Tom DeLay on Monday for alleged
money-laundering related to the 2002 Texas election, raising new and
more serious allegations than the conspiracy charge lodged against the
former House majority leader last week. ...
A different grand jury -- which had no prior involvement in the case
-- brought the new charges, which roughly match allegations made
against two of DeLay's political associates one year ago. ...
Earle, who spoke to reporters after last week's action, did not
explain his decision to present his case to a new grand jury on the
first day it met. DeLay spokesman Kevin Madden said that Earle took
the action after he "panicked" when realizing his error in bringing
last week's charges.
But a source close to the investigation, who spoke on condition of
anonymity because he lacked authority to speak publicly, noted that
Earle told reporters last week that his investigation was continuing
and asserted that Earle had intended to bring these charges even
before the challenge raised by DeLay's lawyers.
Whatever the reason, the potential consequences for DeLay are more
dire. Both money-laundering crimes are more serious felonies, and the
maximum punishment is life in jail....
Texas Penal Code Sec. 34.02: Money Laundering
(a) A person commits an offense if the person knowingly:
(1) acquires or maintains an interest in, receives, conceals, possesses,
transfers, or transports the proceeds of criminal activity;
(2) conducts, supervises, or facilitates a transaction involving the
proceeds of criminal activity; or
(3) invests, expends, or receives, or offers to invest, expend, or
receive, the proceeds of criminal activity or funds that the person
believes are the proceeds of criminal activity.
Now aside from the fact that politicians are crooks, I doubt that you
can make the case that political contributions are "the proceeds of
criminal activity".
--
Fred Stone
aa# 1369
"Honesty is the best policy, but insanity is a better defense."
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| User: "Dean G." |
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04 Oct 2005 12:44:28 PM |
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Fred Stone wrote:
bob <www@net.com> wrote in news:mie5k15kidu12euckg68abnusegpr470p6@
4ax.com:
Washington Post
A Texas grand jury indicted Rep. Tom DeLay on Monday for alleged
money-laundering related to the 2002 Texas election, raising new and
more serious allegations than the conspiracy charge lodged against the
former House majority leader last week. ...
A different grand jury -- which had no prior involvement in the case
-- brought the new charges, which roughly match allegations made
against two of DeLay's political associates one year ago. ...
Earle, who spoke to reporters after last week's action, did not
explain his decision to present his case to a new grand jury on the
first day it met. DeLay spokesman Kevin Madden said that Earle took
the action after he "panicked" when realizing his error in bringing
last week's charges.
But a source close to the investigation, who spoke on condition of
anonymity because he lacked authority to speak publicly, noted that
Earle told reporters last week that his investigation was continuing
and asserted that Earle had intended to bring these charges even
before the challenge raised by DeLay's lawyers.
Whatever the reason, the potential consequences for DeLay are more
dire. Both money-laundering crimes are more serious felonies, and the
maximum punishment is life in jail....
Texas Penal Code Sec. 34.02: Money Laundering
(a) A person commits an offense if the person knowingly:
(1) acquires or maintains an interest in, receives, conceals, possesses,
transfers, or transports the proceeds of criminal activity;
(2) conducts, supervises, or facilitates a transaction involving the
proceeds of criminal activity; or
(3) invests, expends, or receives, or offers to invest, expend, or
receive, the proceeds of criminal activity or funds that the person
believes are the proceeds of criminal activity.
Now aside from the fact that politicians are crooks, I doubt that you
can make the case that political contributions are "the proceeds of
criminal activity".
In Texas, it is a crime to give corporate money to individual
campaigns. The accusation is that DeLay facilitated such a transaction.
The funny thing is that either DeLay or one of his spokesmen said that
the money that he received went into one account, and the money that
went to the individual campaigns came from annother account, and thus
it was "different money". Tommy Boy, that is exactly what money
laundering is all about. While you may have intended this to be a
defence of what you did, it sounded more like a confession.
Dean G.
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Fred Stone
aa# 1369
"Honesty is the best policy, but insanity is a better defense."
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04 Oct 2005 01:08:09 PM |
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"Dean G." <dguttadauro@4ecp.com> wrote in
news:1128447868.363287.74720@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com:
Fred Stone wrote:
bob <www@net.com> wrote in news:mie5k15kidu12euckg68abnusegpr470p6@
4ax.com:
Washington Post
A Texas grand jury indicted Rep. Tom DeLay on Monday for alleged
money-laundering related to the 2002 Texas election, raising new
and more serious allegations than the conspiracy charge lodged
against the former House majority leader last week. ...
A different grand jury -- which had no prior involvement in the
case -- brought the new charges, which roughly match allegations
made against two of DeLay's political associates one year ago. ...
Earle, who spoke to reporters after last week's action, did not
explain his decision to present his case to a new grand jury on the
first day it met. DeLay spokesman Kevin Madden said that Earle took
the action after he "panicked" when realizing his error in bringing
last week's charges.
But a source close to the investigation, who spoke on condition of
anonymity because he lacked authority to speak publicly, noted that
Earle told reporters last week that his investigation was
continuing and asserted that Earle had intended to bring these
charges even before the challenge raised by DeLay's lawyers.
Whatever the reason, the potential consequences for DeLay are more
dire. Both money-laundering crimes are more serious felonies, and
the maximum punishment is life in jail....
Texas Penal Code Sec. 34.02: Money Laundering
(a) A person commits an offense if the person knowingly:
(1) acquires or maintains an interest in, receives, conceals,
possesses, transfers, or transports the proceeds of criminal
activity; (2) conducts, supervises, or facilitates a transaction
involving the proceeds of criminal activity; or
(3) invests, expends, or receives, or offers to invest, expend, or
receive, the proceeds of criminal activity or funds that the person
believes are the proceeds of criminal activity.
Now aside from the fact that politicians are crooks, I doubt that you
can make the case that political contributions are "the proceeds of
criminal activity".
In Texas, it is a crime to give corporate money to individual
campaigns. The accusation is that DeLay facilitated such a
transaction.
That particular law went into effect in 2003; *after* the transaction in
question which was in the 2002 Congressional race. DeLay's attorney
filed a motion for dismissal on that basis, and *then* Earle brought the
new indictment for "money laundering".
The funny thing is that either DeLay or one of his spokesmen said that
the money that he received went into one account, and the money that
went to the individual campaigns came from annother account, and thus
it was "different money". Tommy Boy, that is exactly what money
laundering is all about. While you may have intended this to be a
defence of what you did, it sounded more like a confession.
Money laundering involves *the proceeds of criminal activity*.
For obvious reasons, the transactions you mentioned were done with funds
that were legally obtained.
--
Fred Stone
aa# 1369
"Honesty is the best policy, but insanity is a better defense."
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04 Oct 2005 02:24:28 PM |
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Money laundering involves *the proceeds of criminal activity*.
For obvious reasons, the transactions you mentioned were done with funds
that were legally obtained.
Soliciting corporate donations for individul campaigns is (and was at
the time in question) illegal. Thus, any money that came from such a
solicitation was "the proceeds of criminal activity". Weasle words do
not change that fact.
Dean G.
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04 Oct 2005 03:21:16 PM |
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"Dean G." <dguttadauro@4ecp.com> wrote in
news:1128453868.448511.153490@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com:
Money laundering involves *the proceeds of criminal activity*.
For obvious reasons, the transactions you mentioned were done with
funds that were legally obtained.
Soliciting corporate donations for individul campaigns is (and was at
the time in question) illegal. Thus, any money that came from such a
solicitation was "the proceeds of criminal activity". Weasle words do
not change that fact.
Corporate funds weren't used for individual campaigns. They were sent to
the national "soft money" account.
--
Fred Stone
aa# 1369
"Honesty is the best policy, but insanity is a better defense."
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04 Oct 2005 04:23:15 PM |
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Soliciting corporate donations for individul campaigns is (and was at
the time in question) illegal. Thus, any money that came from such a
solicitation was "the proceeds of criminal activity". Weasle words do
not change that fact.
Corporate funds weren't used for individual campaigns. They were sent to
the national "soft money" account.
Perhaps you don't understand the concept of money laundering. The
accusation is that Tom DeLay (R-TX) solicited corporate money for Texas
campaigns and then laundered the money through the national account.
Yes, the most direct line shows the money came from the national
account, but that is why you launder money. Do you understand this ?
This is EXACTLY what money laundering is : hiding the actual source of
the money, usually by putting it through multiple accounts so that the
source of the money LOOKS clean.
Dean G.
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04 Oct 2005 05:09:04 PM |
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"Dean G." <dguttadauro@4ecp.com> wrote in
news:1128460995.139519.147440@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com:
Soliciting corporate donations for individul campaigns is (and was
at the time in question) illegal. Thus, any money that came from
such a solicitation was "the proceeds of criminal activity". Weasle
words do not change that fact.
Corporate funds weren't used for individual campaigns. They were sent
to the national "soft money" account.
Perhaps you don't understand the concept of money laundering.
I understand it just fine.
The
accusation is that Tom DeLay (R-TX) solicited corporate money for
Texas campaigns and then laundered the money through the national
account. Yes, the most direct line shows the money came from the
national account, but that is why you launder money. Do you understand
this ? This is EXACTLY what money laundering is : hiding the actual
source of the money, usually by putting it through multiple accounts
so that the source of the money LOOKS clean.
http://media.nationalreview.com/078427.asp
....prior to the Bipartisan Campaign Reform Act of 2002 (McCain-
Feingold), both parties engaged in this kind of soft-money for hard-
money swap all the time for the purposes of funding state races. As I
have noted here before, the Texas Democratic Party sent $75,000 to the
Democratic National Committee (DNC) and received $75,000 back from the
DNC on the same day. In fact, Democrats transferred a total of
approximately $11 million dollars from their national parties to fund
Texas campaigns in 2002, compared to $5.2 million transferred by
Republicans. At the national level, corporate soft money and personal
hard dollars were fungible before McCain-Feingold took effect after the
2002 elections.
[nota bene: *AFTER* the 2002 elections]
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Fred Stone
aa# 1369
"Honesty is the best policy, but insanity is a better defense."
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04 Oct 2005 05:22:13 PM |
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Yes, why not quote an unbiased source like the National Review to back
you up...
BTW, just because both Democrats and Republicans were engaged in the
same behavior does not make it legal or correct.
Dean G.
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04 Oct 2005 06:38:02 PM |
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"Dean G." <dguttadauro@4ecp.com> wrote in message
news:1128464533.175906.32380@g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
Yes, why not quote an unbiased source like the National Review to back
you up...
Without National Review and his right-wing blogs, Fredo wouldn't know what
to "think".
--
Aloha, G-Ride
"Like a quarrelling group of monkeys on a leaky boat, armed with sticks of
dynamite, we are now embarked on an uncertain journey."
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| User: "Fred Stone" |
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04 Oct 2005 05:34:05 PM |
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"Dean G." <dguttadauro@4ecp.com> wrote in news:1128464533.175906.32380
@g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com:
Yes, why not quote an unbiased source like the National Review to back
you up...
Why not check their facts yourself?
BTW, just because both Democrats and Republicans were engaged in the
same behavior does not make it legal or correct.
I never said that it did. It was legal in 2002 before the election.
--
Fred Stone
aa# 1369
"Honesty is the best policy, but insanity is a better defense."
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04 Oct 2005 09:44:35 PM |
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TV's Fred Stone wrote:
"Dean G." <dguttadauro@4ecp.com> wrote in
news:1128453868.448511.153490@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com:
Money laundering involves *the proceeds of criminal activity*.
For obvious reasons, the transactions you mentioned were done with
funds that were legally obtained.
Soliciting corporate donations for individul campaigns is (and was at
the time in question) illegal. Thus, any money that came from such a
solicitation was "the proceeds of criminal activity". Weasle words do
not change that fact.
Corporate funds weren't used for individual campaigns. They were sent to
the national "soft money" account.
Then they were redistributed to individual campaigns. That is what money
laundering is, Freddie.
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aa #2133
ap #19
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05 Oct 2005 08:01:33 AM |
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"towelie" <bugoNOSPAM@hotmail.com> wrote in
news:7-edndtu6rCYo97eRVn-pA@centurytel.net:
TV's Fred Stone wrote:
"Dean G." <dguttadauro@4ecp.com> wrote in
news:1128453868.448511.153490@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com:
Money laundering involves *the proceeds of criminal activity*.
For obvious reasons, the transactions you mentioned were done with
funds that were legally obtained.
Soliciting corporate donations for individul campaigns is (and was
at the time in question) illegal. Thus, any money that came from
such a solicitation was "the proceeds of criminal activity". Weasle
words do not change that fact.
Corporate funds weren't used for individual campaigns. They were sent
to the national "soft money" account.
Then they were redistributed to individual campaigns. That is what
money laundering is, Freddie.
No, towelie, that is *not* what happened. *OTHER* money was distributed
to individual campaigns. That was legal in 2002.
--
Fred Stone
aa# 1369
"Honesty is the best policy, but insanity is a better defense."
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04 Oct 2005 09:43:57 PM |
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TV's Fred Stone wrote:
Money laundering involves *the proceeds of criminal activity*.
For obvious reasons, the transactions you mentioned were done with funds
that were legally obtained.
They were legally obtained, so what. The money was legally printed at the
mint too. Big deal. The issue is what happened to the money *after* it was
obtained.
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aa #2133
ap #19
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| User: "Fred Stone" |
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05 Oct 2005 08:00:18 AM |
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"towelie" <bugoNOSPAM@hotmail.com> wrote in
news:6d-dnW8TdtVCoN7eRVn-iA@centurytel.net:
TV's Fred Stone wrote:
Money laundering involves *the proceeds of criminal activity*.
For obvious reasons, the transactions you mentioned were done with
funds that were legally obtained.
They were legally obtained, so what. The money was legally printed at
the mint too. Big deal. The issue is what happened to the money
*after* it was obtained.
Then "money laundering" isn't the right charge.
--
Fred Stone
aa# 1369
"Honesty is the best policy, but insanity is a better defense."
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| User: "I KILLED YOUR GOD-IT WAS EASY!" |
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05 Oct 2005 10:27:47 AM |
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your boys that you love so much are going down.
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I have found Christian dogma unintelligible. Early in life I absented
myself from Christian assemblies.²
-- Benjamin Franklin
AA #2241.
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| User: "towelie" |
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04 Oct 2005 09:42:30 PM |
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TV's Fred Stone wrote:
bob <www@net.com> wrote in news:mie5k15kidu12euckg68abnusegpr470p6@
4ax.com:
Washington Post
A Texas grand jury indicted Rep. Tom DeLay on Monday for alleged
money-laundering related to the 2002 Texas election, raising new and
more serious allegations than the conspiracy charge lodged against the
former House majority leader last week. ...
A different grand jury -- which had no prior involvement in the case
-- brought the new charges, which roughly match allegations made
against two of DeLay's political associates one year ago. ...
Earle, who spoke to reporters after last week's action, did not
explain his decision to present his case to a new grand jury on the
first day it met. DeLay spokesman Kevin Madden said that Earle took
the action after he "panicked" when realizing his error in bringing
last week's charges.
But a source close to the investigation, who spoke on condition of
anonymity because he lacked authority to speak publicly, noted that
Earle told reporters last week that his investigation was continuing
and asserted that Earle had intended to bring these charges even
before the challenge raised by DeLay's lawyers.
Whatever the reason, the potential consequences for DeLay are more
dire. Both money-laundering crimes are more serious felonies, and the
maximum punishment is life in jail....
Texas Penal Code Sec. 34.02: Money Laundering
(a) A person commits an offense if the person knowingly:
(1) acquires or maintains an interest in, receives, conceals, possesses,
transfers, or transports the proceeds of criminal activity;
(2) conducts, supervises, or facilitates a transaction involving the
proceeds of criminal activity; or
(3) invests, expends, or receives, or offers to invest, expend, or
receive, the proceeds of criminal activity or funds that the person
believes are the proceeds of criminal activity.
Now aside from the fact that politicians are crooks, I doubt that you
can make the case that political contributions are "the proceeds of
criminal activity".
The whole Texas gerrymandering fiasco wouldn't have happened without the
money laundering. That is a "proceed of criminal activity."
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aa #2133
ap #19
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| User: "Fred Stone" |
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05 Oct 2005 07:59:30 AM |
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"towelie" <bugoNOSPAM@hotmail.com> wrote in
news:E8CdnQAze4AVoN7eRVn-hA@centurytel.net:
TV's Fred Stone wrote:
bob <www@net.com> wrote in news:mie5k15kidu12euckg68abnusegpr470p6@
4ax.com:
Washington Post
A Texas grand jury indicted Rep. Tom DeLay on Monday for alleged
money-laundering related to the 2002 Texas election, raising new and
more serious allegations than the conspiracy charge lodged against
the former House majority leader last week. ...
A different grand jury -- which had no prior involvement in the case
-- brought the new charges, which roughly match allegations made
against two of DeLay's political associates one year ago. ...
Earle, who spoke to reporters after last week's action, did not
explain his decision to present his case to a new grand jury on the
first day it met. DeLay spokesman Kevin Madden said that Earle took
the action after he "panicked" when realizing his error in bringing
last week's charges.
But a source close to the investigation, who spoke on condition of
anonymity because he lacked authority to speak publicly, noted that
Earle told reporters last week that his investigation was continuing
and asserted that Earle had intended to bring these charges even
before the challenge raised by DeLay's lawyers.
Whatever the reason, the potential consequences for DeLay are more
dire. Both money-laundering crimes are more serious felonies, and
the maximum punishment is life in jail....
Texas Penal Code Sec. 34.02: Money Laundering
(a) A person commits an offense if the person knowingly:
(1) acquires or maintains an interest in, receives, conceals,
possesses, transfers, or transports the proceeds of criminal
activity; (2) conducts, supervises, or facilitates a transaction
involving the proceeds of criminal activity; or
(3) invests, expends, or receives, or offers to invest, expend, or
receive, the proceeds of criminal activity or funds that the person
believes are the proceeds of criminal activity.
Now aside from the fact that politicians are crooks, I doubt that you
can make the case that political contributions are "the proceeds of
criminal activity".
The whole Texas gerrymandering fiasco wouldn't have happened without
the money laundering. That is a "proceed of criminal activity."
Nice try, towelie, but "proceeds" means "money".
--
Fred Stone
aa# 1369
"Honesty is the best policy, but insanity is a better defense."
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