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"*nemo*" |
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25 Apr 2004 04:54:03 AM |
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Design question |
Often we hear the gurus of "Intelligent Design" talking about how if
something is "obviously designed for a specific purpose" then it *must*
be the work of intelligence. One thing that I've not heard in response
to that is beehives. Or termite mounds.
A beehive is a complex structure that is built by bees for a specific
purpose. Do the ID folks think that bees are intelligent? Same thing for
termites. Those buggers build huge mounds that have multiple types of
compartments, used for specific purposes. The mounds are built in such a
way that the interior is kept well-ventilated and cooler than the
surrounding air. Can anyone tell us that termites are intelligent?
It's just a thought. I don't recall seeing this line of argument before,
but it seems it might be quite useful in dealing with such loony folks...
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| User: "duke" |
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| Title: Re: Design question |
25 Apr 2004 07:10:27 AM |
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On Sun, 25 Apr 2004 09:54:03 GMT, *nemo* <nemo0037@earthlink.dieSPAM.net> wrote:
Often we hear the gurus of "Intelligent Design" talking about how if
something is "obviously designed for a specific purpose" then it *must*
be the work of intelligence. One thing that I've not heard in response
to that is beehives. Or termite mounds.
A beehive is a complex structure that is built by bees for a specific
purpose. Do the ID folks think that bees are intelligent? Same thing for
termites. Those buggers build huge mounds that have multiple types of
compartments, used for specific purposes. The mounds are built in such a
way that the interior is kept well-ventilated and cooler than the
surrounding air.
It's called "the shade".
And no, they're not intelligent. They are simply doing their "breed type" thing.
It's just a thought. I don't recall seeing this line of argument before,
but it seems it might be quite useful in dealing with such loony folks...
So who is the loony one?
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| User: "*nemo*" |
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| Title: Re: Design question |
25 Apr 2004 12:38:16 PM |
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In article <nian80d5kbchutnuv1nkl498g89ggp4369@4ax.com>,
duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote:
On Sun, 25 Apr 2004 09:54:03 GMT, *nemo* <nemo0037@earthlink.dieSPAM.net>
wrote:
Often we hear the gurus of "Intelligent Design" talking about how if
something is "obviously designed for a specific purpose" then it *must*
be the work of intelligence. One thing that I've not heard in response
to that is beehives. Or termite mounds.
A beehive is a complex structure that is built by bees for a specific
purpose. Do the ID folks think that bees are intelligent? Same thing for
termites. Those buggers build huge mounds that have multiple types of
compartments, used for specific purposes. The mounds are built in such a
way that the interior is kept well-ventilated and cooler than the
surrounding air.
It's called "the shade".
Funny. The termite mounds I've seen photos of were in direct sunlight in
Africa.
And no, they're not intelligent. They are simply doing their "breed type"
thing.
So the question stands -- why would you necessarily call a complex,
purpose-made thing a product of "intellligence?
It's just a thought. I don't recall seeing this line of argument before,
but it seems it might be quite useful in dealing with such loony folks...
So who is the loony one?
The one who didn't even attempt to answer the question.
*****-monkey.
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Atheist #1331 (the Palindrome of doom!)
BAAWA Knight! - One of those warm Southern Knights, y'all!
Charter member, SMASH!!
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| User: "wbarwell" |
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| Title: Re: Design question |
25 Apr 2004 04:43:24 PM |
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*nemo* wrote:
In article <nian80d5kbchutnuv1nkl498g89ggp4369@4ax.com>,
duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote:
So who is the loony one?
The one who didn't even attempt to answer the question.
Before one can answer the question, one has to actually
understand the question. For some, this is a heavy intellectual
burden.
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| User: "duke" |
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| Title: Re: Design question |
25 Apr 2004 01:52:12 PM |
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On Sun, 25 Apr 2004 17:38:16 GMT, *nemo* <nemo0037@earthlink.dieSPAM.net> wrote:
It's called "the shade".
Funny. The termite mounds I've seen photos of were in direct sunlight in
Africa.
And one inch below the surface is pure cool shade.
And no, they're not intelligent. They are simply doing their "breed type"
thing.
So the question stands -- why would you necessarily call a complex,
purpose-made thing a product of "intellligence?
I wouldn't. And didn't.
It's just a thought. I don't recall seeing this line of argument before,
but it seems it might be quite useful in dealing with such loony folks...
So who is the loony one?
The one who didn't even attempt to answer the question.
*****-monkey.
Yes you are.
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| User: "Meteorite Debris" |
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| Title: Re: Design question |
26 Apr 2004 04:19:42 AM |
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On Sun, 25 Apr 2004 09:54:03 GMT, *nemo* <nemo0037@earthlink.dieSPAM.net> wrote:
Often we hear the gurus of "Intelligent Design" talking about how if
something is "obviously designed for a specific purpose" then it *must*
be the work of intelligence. One thing that I've not heard in response
to that is beehives. Or termite mounds.
A beehive is a complex structure that is built by bees for a specific
purpose. Do the ID folks think that bees are intelligent? Same thing for
termites. Those buggers build huge mounds that have multiple types of
compartments, used for specific purposes. The mounds are built in such a
way that the interior is kept well-ventilated and cooler than the
surrounding air.
It's called "the shade".
Bee hives are cooled by more than shade. They are effectively air
conditioned to within a variation of several degrees. And termite
mounds in equatorial areas are built in a north/south alignment knife
edge shape. The advantage - maximum direct sunlight at sunrise and
sunset for warming and minimum direct light in the heat of midday.
And no, they're not intelligent. They are simply doing their "breed type" thing.
The termite mound serves a specific purpose but it was not
intelligently designed.
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| User: "stranger" |
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| Title: Re: Design question |
26 Apr 2004 08:14:29 PM |
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duke wrote:
So who is the loony one?
Are you calling for an election? I do not advise you to do that at this time.
Christian
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