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Topic: Religions > Atheism
User: "J Young"
Date: 17 Oct 2005 11:48:14 PM
Object: "Desperate Housewives": mainstreaming immorality
As "Desperate Housewives" continues into the new season, the media hoopla
surrounding this primetime soap opera continues, stirring up interest in the
immoral themes. "Desperate Housewives" has been promoted as a 'guilty
pleasure'. Sinful things can seem pleasurable on the surface, but the
consequences bring heartache and destruction - just ask Eve. As viewers are
caught up in the tawdry story lines, they can easily become ensnared by the
rationalization of sin. Sadly, as this warped thinking is planted in hearts,
consciences are dulled and damage occurs.
"Desperate housewife' Gabrielle justifies her sin of adultery with a
teenager by telling her husband: "A woman does need to be loved. And so
since you didn't give it to me, I had to find it elsewhere." She then
flaunts her infidelity and goes on to tell her husband all the ways her
teenage lover 'loved' her: "Gently, savagely, frequently, upside down."
Gabrielle would be quite content with continuing her affair and stringing
along her husband. Adultery is rationalized and the sanctity of marriage is
undermined. In fact, marriage is made a mockery of in every story line of
the show.
However, marriage is not the only institution that "Desperate Housewives"
repeatedly attacks. Frequent jabs are made against Christianity as well.
Recently, Susan, a mother of a 15 year-old daughter, had no qualms about
considering moving in with boyfriend. In last night's episode, Susan is
shown entering a talent show with her daughter at church, performing "This
Little Light of Mine". One of the housewives states: "Remember, it's church.
They're going to be judging you." Sending the message that Christians are
"judgmental".
In addition to mainstreaming immorality, "Desperate Housewives" seems bent
on mainstreaming immodesty. Not just for teens, but also for the 'mature'
woman as well. The 'fashion' trend of "Desperate Housewives" is cleavage,
cleavage, and more cleavage. Not only is cleavage prevalently shown, but
every opportunity is seemingly taken to aim camera angles down the shirts of
every low-cut top worn.
Desperate Housewives, as it draws in a large female audience, legitimizes a
breakdown of morality that will cause untold damage. Damage that will have
an impact not only to individual lives and families, but ultimately to the
further tearing down of our culture.
American Decency Association
Bill Johnson, President
P.O. Box 202
Fremont, MI 49412
ph: 231-924-4050
www.americandecency.org
.

User: "Peacenik"

Title: Re: "Desperate Housewives": mainstreaming immorality 18 Oct 2005 08:21:47 AM
"J Young" <youngopinions@aol.com> wrote in message
news:WP2dnfn5V65o48neRVn-1w@giganews.com...

As "Desperate Housewives" continues into the new season, the media hoopla
surrounding this primetime soap opera continues, stirring up interest in

the

immoral themes. "Desperate Housewives" has been promoted as a 'guilty
pleasure'. Sinful things can seem pleasurable on the surface, but the
consequences bring heartache and destruction - just ask Eve.

Isn't this the theme of all soap operas? It's nothing new. Shakespeare wrote
about such themes, too. So did Chaucer. Hell, even the Bible has it.
.
User: "Yow"

Title: Re: "Desperate Housewives": mainstreaming immorality 18 Oct 2005 08:32:50 AM
Peacenik wrote:
"Desperate Housewives" has been promoted as a 'guilty

pleasure'. Sinful things can seem pleasurable on the surface, but the
consequences bring heartache and destruction - just ask Eve.


Isn't this the theme of all soap operas? It's nothing new. Shakespeare wrote
about such themes, too. So did Chaucer. Hell, even the Bible has it.

George W Bush seems to have mainstreamed immorality
by invading a country for no reason except oil.
Google for "Downing Street Memo": there were never any WMDs.
.


User: "junegill"

Title: Re: "Desperate Housewives": mainstreaming immorality 19 Oct 2005 09:46:43 PM
"J Young" <youngopinions@aol.com> wrote in message
news:WP2dnfn5V65o48neRVn-1w@giganews.com...

As "Desperate Housewives" continues into the new season, the media hoopla
surrounding this primetime soap opera continues, stirring up interest in

the

immoral themes. "Desperate Housewives" has been promoted as a 'guilty
pleasure'. Sinful things can seem pleasurable on the surface, but the
consequences bring heartache and destruction - just ask Eve. As viewers

are

caught up in the tawdry story lines, they can easily become ensnared by

the

rationalization of sin. Sadly, as this warped thinking is planted in

hearts,

consciences are dulled and damage occurs.

"Desperate housewife' Gabrielle justifies her sin of adultery with a
teenager by telling her husband: "A woman does need to be loved. And so
since you didn't give it to me, I had to find it elsewhere." She then
flaunts her infidelity and goes on to tell her husband all the ways her
teenage lover 'loved' her: "Gently, savagely, frequently, upside down."
Gabrielle would be quite content with continuing her affair and stringing
along her husband. Adultery is rationalized and the sanctity of marriage

is

undermined. In fact, marriage is made a mockery of in every story line of
the show.

However, marriage is not the only institution that "Desperate Housewives"
repeatedly attacks. Frequent jabs are made against Christianity as well.
Recently, Susan, a mother of a 15 year-old daughter, had no qualms about
considering moving in with boyfriend. In last night's episode, Susan is
shown entering a talent show with her daughter at church, performing "This
Little Light of Mine". One of the housewives states: "Remember, it's

church.

They're going to be judging you." Sending the message that Christians are
"judgmental".

In addition to mainstreaming immorality, "Desperate Housewives" seems bent
on mainstreaming immodesty. Not just for teens, but also for the 'mature'
woman as well. The 'fashion' trend of "Desperate Housewives" is cleavage,
cleavage, and more cleavage. Not only is cleavage prevalently shown, but
every opportunity is seemingly taken to aim camera angles down the shirts

of

every low-cut top worn.

Desperate Housewives, as it draws in a large female audience, legitimizes

a

breakdown of morality that will cause untold damage. Damage that will have
an impact not only to individual lives and families, but ultimately to the
further tearing down of our culture.

American Decency Association
Bill Johnson, President
P.O. Box 202
Fremont, MI 49412
ph: 231-924-4050
www.americandecency.org

I find it interesting that the most immoral thing of all in this series
didn't rate a mention in the above. The last episode that was aired on
mainstream TV in the UK showed Gabrielle discovering that she was pregnant
because her husband had tampered with her contraceptive pills, even though
he knew she definitely did not want children. I think this is tantamount to
rape, and, if she doesn't abort, I hope that it will transpire that the
gardener is the father ... her control-freak husband deserves all he gets.
Maybe, while he's in prison, Bubba will show him what it's like to be the
victim of a control freak.
--
June G
# 364
http://uk.geocities.com/junegill@btopenworld.com/webpages/index.html.html
.
User: "Graham Kennedy"

Title: Re: "Desperate Housewives": mainstreaming immorality 20 Oct 2005 10:26:05 AM
junegill wrote:


I find it interesting that the most immoral thing of all in this series
didn't rate a mention in the above. The last episode that was aired on
mainstream TV in the UK showed Gabrielle discovering that she was pregnant
because her husband had tampered with her contraceptive pills, even though
he knew she definitely did not want children.

Denying a woman abortion and forcing her to have a
child she doesn't want... a fundy isn't going to decry
something that he wants enshrined in law!

I think this is tantamount to
rape, and, if she doesn't abort, I hope that it will transpire that the
gardener is the father ... her control-freak husband deserves all he gets.
Maybe, while he's in prison, Bubba will show him what it's like to be the
victim of a control freak.

Didn't somebody get *murdered* on that show?
--
Graham Kennedy
Creator and Author,
Daystrom Institute Technical Library
http://www.ditl.org
.
User: "junegill"

Title: Re: "Desperate Housewives": mainstreaming immorality 20 Oct 2005 12:33:48 PM
"Graham Kennedy" <graham@ditl.org> wrote in message
news:8EO5f.89$2D3.347@news-1.opaltelecom.net...

junegill wrote:


I find it interesting that the most immoral thing of all in this series
didn't rate a mention in the above. The last episode that was aired on
mainstream TV in the UK showed Gabrielle discovering that she was

pregnant

because her husband had tampered with her contraceptive pills, even

though

he knew she definitely did not want children.


Denying a woman abortion and forcing her to have a
child she doesn't want... a fundy isn't going to decry
something that he wants enshrined in law!

True.

I think this is tantamount to
rape, and, if she doesn't abort, I hope that it will transpire that the
gardener is the father ... her control-freak husband deserves all he

gets.

Maybe, while he's in prison, Bubba will show him what it's like to be

the

victim of a control freak.


Didn't somebody get *murdered* on that show?

Indeed, yes - I'd forgotten that. Two highly immoral events then, which
didn't rate a mention by the author of the passage. Of course, since it was
a woman who was murdered, it's probably not thought of, by the fundies, as
being as bad as a woman being unfaithful to her husband or - heaven
forfend - displaying cleavage.
--
June G
# 364
http://uk.geocities.com/junegill@btopenworld.com/webpages/index.html.html
.
User: "Graham Kennedy"

Title: Re: "Desperate Housewives": mainstreaming immorality 21 Oct 2005 09:50:31 AM
junegill wrote:

Didn't somebody get *murdered* on that show?


Indeed, yes - I'd forgotten that. Two highly immoral events then, which
didn't rate a mention by the author of the passage.

Shows their priorities I suppose.

Of course, since it was
a woman who was murdered, it's probably not thought of, by the fundies, as
being as bad as a woman being unfaithful to her husband or - heaven
forfend - displaying cleavage.

I'm sure the bible probably has something in it
about a woman who cheats on her husband deserving
death or something.
--
Graham Kennedy
Creator and Author,
Daystrom Institute Technical Library
http://www.ditl.org
.
User: "Darrell Stec"

Title: Re: "Desperate Housewives": mainstreaming immorality 21 Oct 2005 02:53:54 PM
After serious contemplation, on or about Friday 21 October 2005 10:50 am
graham@ditl.org wrote:

junegill wrote:

Didn't somebody get *murdered* on that show?


Indeed, yes - I'd forgotten that. Two highly immoral events then, which
didn't rate a mention by the author of the passage.


Shows their priorities I suppose.

Of course, since it was
a woman who was murdered, it's probably not thought of, by the fundies,
as being as bad as a woman being unfaithful to her husband or - heaven
forfend - displaying cleavage.


I'm sure the bible probably has something in it
about a woman who cheats on her husband deserving
death or something.

Of course it does. And everyone knows that you are supposed to have the
husband killed first before taking her to bed, as did the great, great,
great, great ... great grandfather of the son of god did.
--
Later,
Darrell Stec

Webpage Sorcery
http://webpagesorcery.com
We Put the Magic in Your Webpages
.
User: "Graham Kennedy"

Title: Re: "Desperate Housewives": mainstreaming immorality 21 Oct 2005 05:18:55 PM
Darrell Stec wrote:

After serious contemplation, on or about Friday 21 October 2005 10:50 am
graham@ditl.org wrote:


junegill wrote:


Didn't somebody get *murdered* on that show?


Indeed, yes - I'd forgotten that. Two highly immoral events then, which
didn't rate a mention by the author of the passage.


Shows their priorities I suppose.


Of course, since it was
a woman who was murdered, it's probably not thought of, by the fundies,
as being as bad as a woman being unfaithful to her husband or - heaven
forfend - displaying cleavage.


I'm sure the bible probably has something in it
about a woman who cheats on her husband deserving
death or something.



Of course it does. And everyone knows that you are supposed to have the
husband killed first before taking her to bed, as did the great, great,
great, great ... great grandfather of the son of god did.

Ah, Christianity. It's all about peace and love, you know?
--
Graham Kennedy
Creator and Author,
Daystrom Institute Technical Library
http://www.ditl.org
.






User: "Max Masters!!!"

Title: Re: "Desperate Housewives": mainstreaming immorality 18 Oct 2005 12:51:14 AM
"J Young" <youngopinions@aol.com> wrote in message
news:WP2dnfn5V65o48neRVn-1w@giganews.com...

As "Desperate Housewives" continues into the new season, the media hoopla
surrounding this primetime soap opera continues, stirring up interest in
the
immoral themes. "Desperate Housewives" has been promoted as a 'guilty
pleasure'. Sinful things can seem pleasurable on the surface, but the
consequences bring heartache and destruction - just ask Eve. As viewers
are
caught up in the tawdry story lines, they can easily become ensnared by
the
rationalization of sin. Sadly, as this warped thinking is planted in
hearts,
consciences are dulled and damage occurs.

"Desperate housewife' Gabrielle justifies her sin of adultery with a
teenager by telling her husband: "A woman does need to be loved. And so
since you didn't give it to me, I had to find it elsewhere." She then
flaunts her infidelity and goes on to tell her husband all the ways her
teenage lover 'loved' her: "Gently, savagely, frequently, upside down."
Gabrielle would be quite content with continuing her affair and stringing
along her husband. Adultery is rationalized and the sanctity of marriage
is
undermined. In fact, marriage is made a mockery of in every story line of
the show.

However, marriage is not the only institution that "Desperate Housewives"
repeatedly attacks. Frequent jabs are made against Christianity as well.
Recently, Susan, a mother of a 15 year-old daughter, had no qualms about
considering moving in with boyfriend. In last night's episode, Susan is
shown entering a talent show with her daughter at church, performing "This
Little Light of Mine". One of the housewives states: "Remember, it's
church.
They're going to be judging you." Sending the message that Christians are
"judgmental".

In addition to mainstreaming immorality, "Desperate Housewives" seems bent
on mainstreaming immodesty. Not just for teens, but also for the 'mature'
woman as well. The 'fashion' trend of "Desperate Housewives" is cleavage,
cleavage, and more cleavage. Not only is cleavage prevalently shown, but
every opportunity is seemingly taken to aim camera angles down the shirts
of
every low-cut top worn.

Desperate Housewives, as it draws in a large female audience, legitimizes
a
breakdown of morality that will cause untold damage. Damage that will have
an impact not only to individual lives and families, but ultimately to the
further tearing down of our culture.

American Decency Association
Bill Johnson, President
P.O. Box 202
Fremont, MI 49412
ph: 231-924-4050
www.americandecency.org

Is this it? The end of the world? The sky falling?? And with the downfall
we get....CLEAVAGE???? COUNT ME IN! It's a fun show off to a
pretty slow start. Hope things get turned up quite a bit in the next few
episodes. And god forbid that christians are presented as judgmental.
Sounds like no one is safe. Better hide the remote. Methinks Bill is
trying to get some money.
.
User: "Les Hellawell"

Title: Re: "Desperate Housewives": mainstreaming immorality 18 Oct 2005 04:22:45 AM
On Mon, 17 Oct 2005 22:51:14 -0700, "Max Masters!!!"
<maxmasters@comcast.net> wrote:


"J Young" <youngopinions@aol.com> wrote in message
news:WP2dnfn5V65o48neRVn-1w@giganews.com...

As "Desperate Housewives" continues into the new season, the media hoopla
surrounding this primetime soap opera continues, stirring up interest in
the
immoral themes. "Desperate Housewives" has been promoted as a 'guilty
pleasure'. Sinful things can seem pleasurable on the surface, but the
consequences bring heartache and destruction - just ask Eve. As viewers
are
caught up in the tawdry story lines, they can easily become ensnared by
the
rationalization of sin. Sadly, as this warped thinking is planted in
hearts,
consciences are dulled and damage occurs.

"Desperate housewife' Gabrielle justifies her sin of adultery with a
teenager by telling her husband: "A woman does need to be loved. And so
since you didn't give it to me, I had to find it elsewhere." She then
flaunts her infidelity and goes on to tell her husband all the ways her
teenage lover 'loved' her: "Gently, savagely, frequently, upside down."
Gabrielle would be quite content with continuing her affair and stringing
along her husband. Adultery is rationalized and the sanctity of marriage
is
undermined. In fact, marriage is made a mockery of in every story line of
the show.

However, marriage is not the only institution that "Desperate Housewives"
repeatedly attacks. Frequent jabs are made against Christianity as well.
Recently, Susan, a mother of a 15 year-old daughter, had no qualms about
considering moving in with boyfriend. In last night's episode, Susan is
shown entering a talent show with her daughter at church, performing "This
Little Light of Mine". One of the housewives states: "Remember, it's
church.
They're going to be judging you." Sending the message that Christians are
"judgmental".

In addition to mainstreaming immorality, "Desperate Housewives" seems bent
on mainstreaming immodesty. Not just for teens, but also for the 'mature'
woman as well. The 'fashion' trend of "Desperate Housewives" is cleavage,
cleavage, and more cleavage. Not only is cleavage prevalently shown, but
every opportunity is seemingly taken to aim camera angles down the shirts
of
every low-cut top worn.

Desperate Housewives, as it draws in a large female audience, legitimizes
a
breakdown of morality that will cause untold damage. Damage that will have
an impact not only to individual lives and families, but ultimately to the
further tearing down of our culture.

American Decency Association
Bill Johnson, President
P.O. Box 202
Fremont, MI 49412
ph: 231-924-4050
www.americandecency.org


Is this it? The end of the world? The sky falling?? And with the downfall
we get....CLEAVAGE???? COUNT ME IN! It's a fun show off to a
pretty slow start. Hope things get turned up quite a bit in the next few
episodes. And god forbid that christians are presented as judgmental.
Sounds like no one is safe. Better hide the remote. Methinks Bill is
trying to get some money.

Sounds like the usual American TV pap then.
I am looking forward to the new drama series about the Roman Empire
starting on BBC TV next month. They promise gruesome battle scenes,
extreme cruelty and full frontal nudity. How else can you depict a
barabarous and cruel society? After the 9pm watershed of course when
kids are deemed to be safely tucked up in bed. It was a co-production
with US HBO.
No doubt the misery mongers here will get their knickers twisted and
foam at the mouth again about society coming crashing down, but the
BBC have already decided to commission a second series.
Les Hellawell
Greetings from:
YORKSHIRE The White Rose County
.
User: "Robibnikoff"

Title: Re: "Desperate Housewives": mainstreaming immorality 18 Oct 2005 05:05:17 AM
"Les Hellawell" <myshredder@leswell.freeuk.com> wrote in message
news:pue9l1lcudrg027d7hhsld4498qlti7j5o@4ax.com...
snip

Sounds like the usual American TV pap then.

Which, I am proud to say, I avoid at all costs. My SILs all love Desperate
Housewives. But they're also all fairly poorly educated and prefer romance
novels to a newspaper.
--
------
Robyn
Resident Witchypoo
#1557
Science doesn't burn people at the stake for disagreeing - Vic Sagerquist
.
User: "Therion Ware"

Title: Re: "Desperate Housewives": mainstreaming immorality 18 Oct 2005 06:07:07 AM
On Tue, 18 Oct 2005 06:05:17 -0400 in alt.atheism, Robibnikoff
("Robibnikoff" <witchypoo@broomstick.com>) said, directing the reply
to alt.atheism


"Les Hellawell" <myshredder@leswell.freeuk.com> wrote in message
news:pue9l1lcudrg027d7hhsld4498qlti7j5o@4ax.com...
snip

Sounds like the usual American TV pap then.


Which, I am proud to say, I avoid at all costs. My SILs

Ok, I give up. What does "SIL" stand for? Presumably not "Safety
Integrity Level". Sisters In Law? Bet I have more than you do!

all love Desperate
Housewives. But they're also all fairly poorly educated and prefer romance
novels to a newspaper.

I've only watched it while changing channel you understand, but there
are some beautiful set-pieces. But then I am a great fan of "Married
with Children" and "Third Rock From The Sun".
And I am very sorry.
--
"Do Unto Others As You Would Have Them Do Unto You."
- Attrib: Pauline Reage.
#442. www.video2cd.co.uk. Your 8mm films on DVD.
.
User: "Robibnikoff"

Title: Re: "Desperate Housewives": mainstreaming immorality 18 Oct 2005 06:23:20 AM
"Therion Ware" <autodelete@city-of-dis.com> wrote in message
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On Tue, 18 Oct 2005 06:05:17 -0400 in alt.atheism, Robibnikoff
("Robibnikoff" <witchypoo@broomstick.com>) said, directing the reply
to alt.atheism




"Les Hellawell" <myshredder@leswell.freeuk.com> wrote in message
news:pue9l1lcudrg027d7hhsld4498qlti7j5o@4ax.com...
snip

Sounds like the usual American TV pap then.


Which, I am proud to say, I avoid at all costs. My SILs


Ok, I give up. What does "SIL" stand for? Presumably not "Safety
Integrity Level". Sisters In Law? Bet I have more than you do!

Sisters in law ;)
I have seven.

all love Desperate
Housewives. But they're also all fairly poorly educated and prefer
romance
novels to a newspaper.


I've only watched it while changing channel you understand, but there
are some beautiful set-pieces. But then I am a great fan of "Married
with Children" and "Third Rock From The Sun".

Nope, didn't care for either. I rarely watch anything on the regular
networks. I'm more of a Discovery Channel, TLC, AMC, Bravo, Food Network,
SciFi, PBS kinda person ;)

And I am very sorry.

Ah well, I do what I can ;)
--
------
Robyn
Resident Witchypoo
#1557
Science doesn't burn people at the stake for disagreeing - Vic Sagerquist
.
User: "Therion Ware"

Title: Re: "Desperate Housewives": mainstreaming immorality 19 Oct 2005 01:02:29 AM
On Tue, 18 Oct 2005 07:23:20 -0400 in alt.atheism, Robibnikoff
("Robibnikoff" <witchypoo@broomstick.com>) said, directing the reply
to alt.atheism


"Therion Ware" <autodelete@city-of-dis.com> wrote in message
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On Tue, 18 Oct 2005 06:05:17 -0400 in alt.atheism, Robibnikoff
("Robibnikoff" <witchypoo@broomstick.com>) said, directing the reply
to alt.atheism




"Les Hellawell" <myshredder@leswell.freeuk.com> wrote in message
news:pue9l1lcudrg027d7hhsld4498qlti7j5o@4ax.com...
snip

Sounds like the usual American TV pap then.


Which, I am proud to say, I avoid at all costs. My SILs


Ok, I give up. What does "SIL" stand for? Presumably not "Safety
Integrity Level". Sisters In Law? Bet I have more than you do!


Sisters in law ;)

I have seven.

"Bloody Hell".... You win!
But at the last count my wife had 72 cousins (1998).

all love Desperate
Housewives. But they're also all fairly poorly educated and prefer
romance novels to a newspaper.


I've only watched it while changing channel you understand, but there
are some beautiful set-pieces. But then I am a great fan of "Married
with Children" and "Third Rock From The Sun".


Nope, didn't care for either. I rarely watch anything on the regular
networks. I'm more of a Discovery Channel, TLC, AMC, Bravo, Food Network,
SciFi, PBS kinda person ;)

Hallmark, over here at least, are running Original CSI and Law &
Order. Which is quite good. I like the national geographic channel
here - that programme about hypothetical life in another star system
was excellent.

And I am very sorry.


Ah well, I do what I can ;)

Indeed!
.
User: "Robibnikoff"

Title: Re: "Desperate Housewives": mainstreaming immorality 19 Oct 2005 08:49:56 AM
"Therion Ware" <autodelete@city-of-dis.com> wrote in message
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On Tue, 18 Oct 2005 07:23:20 -0400 in alt.atheism, Robibnikoff
("Robibnikoff" <witchypoo@broomstick.com>) said, directing the reply
to alt.atheism

"Therion Ware" <autodelete@city-of-dis.com> wrote in message

snip

Ok, I give up. What does "SIL" stand for? Presumably not "Safety
Integrity Level". Sisters In Law? Bet I have more than you do!


Sisters in law ;)

I have seven.


"Bloody Hell".... You win!

Woohoo! What's the prize? ;)

But at the last count my wife had 72 cousins (1998).

Wow!

all love Desperate
Housewives. But they're also all fairly poorly educated and prefer
romance novels to a newspaper.


I've only watched it while changing channel you understand, but there
are some beautiful set-pieces. But then I am a great fan of "Married
with Children" and "Third Rock From The Sun".


Nope, didn't care for either. I rarely watch anything on the regular
networks. I'm more of a Discovery Channel, TLC, AMC, Bravo, Food

Network,

SciFi, PBS kinda person ;)


Hallmark, over here at least, are running Original CSI and Law &
Order. Which is quite good. I like the national geographic channel
here - that programme about hypothetical life in another star system
was excellent.

And I am very sorry.


Ah well, I do what I can ;)


Indeed!

You betcha! ;)
--
Robyn
Resident Witchypoo
#1557
Science doesn't burn people at the stake for disagreeing - Vic Sagerquist
.





User: "kathryn"

Title: Re: "Desperate Housewives": mainstreaming immorality 18 Oct 2005 12:48:14 PM
"Les Hellawell" <myshredder@leswell.freeuk.com> wrote in message
news:pue9l1lcudrg027d7hhsld4498qlti7j5o@4ax.com...

On Mon, 17 Oct 2005 22:51:14 -0700, "Max Masters!!!"
<maxmasters@comcast.net> wrote:


"J Young" <youngopinions@aol.com> wrote in message
news:WP2dnfn5V65o48neRVn-1w@giganews.com...

As "Desperate Housewives" continues into the new season, the media
hoopla
surrounding this primetime soap opera continues, stirring up interest in
the
immoral themes. "Desperate Housewives" has been promoted as a 'guilty
pleasure'. Sinful things can seem pleasurable on the surface, but the
consequences bring heartache and destruction - just ask Eve. As viewers
are
caught up in the tawdry story lines, they can easily become ensnared by
the
rationalization of sin. Sadly, as this warped thinking is planted in
hearts,
consciences are dulled and damage occurs.

"Desperate housewife' Gabrielle justifies her sin of adultery with a
teenager by telling her husband: "A woman does need to be loved. And so
since you didn't give it to me, I had to find it elsewhere." She then
flaunts her infidelity and goes on to tell her husband all the ways her
teenage lover 'loved' her: "Gently, savagely, frequently, upside down."
Gabrielle would be quite content with continuing her affair and
stringing
along her husband. Adultery is rationalized and the sanctity of marriage
is
undermined. In fact, marriage is made a mockery of in every story line
of
the show.

However, marriage is not the only institution that "Desperate
Housewives"
repeatedly attacks. Frequent jabs are made against Christianity as well.
Recently, Susan, a mother of a 15 year-old daughter, had no qualms about
considering moving in with boyfriend. In last night's episode, Susan is
shown entering a talent show with her daughter at church, performing
"This
Little Light of Mine". One of the housewives states: "Remember, it's
church.
They're going to be judging you." Sending the message that Christians
are
"judgmental".

In addition to mainstreaming immorality, "Desperate Housewives" seems
bent
on mainstreaming immodesty. Not just for teens, but also for the
'mature'
woman as well. The 'fashion' trend of "Desperate Housewives" is
cleavage,
cleavage, and more cleavage. Not only is cleavage prevalently shown, but
every opportunity is seemingly taken to aim camera angles down the
shirts
of
every low-cut top worn.

Desperate Housewives, as it draws in a large female audience,
legitimizes
a
breakdown of morality that will cause untold damage. Damage that will
have
an impact not only to individual lives and families, but ultimately to
the
further tearing down of our culture.

American Decency Association
Bill Johnson, President
P.O. Box 202
Fremont, MI 49412
ph: 231-924-4050
www.americandecency.org


Is this it? The end of the world? The sky falling?? And with the downfall
we get....CLEAVAGE???? COUNT ME IN! It's a fun show off to a
pretty slow start. Hope things get turned up quite a bit in the next few
episodes. And god forbid that christians are presented as judgmental.
Sounds like no one is safe. Better hide the remote. Methinks Bill is
trying to get some money.


Sounds like the usual American TV pap then.

I am looking forward to the new drama series about the Roman Empire
starting on BBC TV next month. They promise gruesome battle scenes,
extreme cruelty and full frontal nudity. How else can you depict a
barabarous and cruel society? After the 9pm watershed of course when
kids are deemed to be safely tucked up in bed. It was a co-production
with US HBO.

No doubt the misery mongers here will get their knickers twisted and
foam at the mouth again about society coming crashing down, but the
BBC have already decided to commission a second series.


Les Hellawell

Greetings from:
YORKSHIRE The White Rose County

Is it full frontal male nudity?
.
User: "Darrell Stec"

Title: Re: "Desperate Housewives": mainstreaming immorality 18 Oct 2005 01:01:37 PM
After serious contemplation, on or about Tuesday 18 October 2005 1:48 pm
nospam@here.com wrote:


"Les Hellawell" <myshredder@leswell.freeuk.com> wrote in message
news:pue9l1lcudrg027d7hhsld4498qlti7j5o@4ax.com...

On Mon, 17 Oct 2005 22:51:14 -0700, "Max Masters!!!"
<maxmasters@comcast.net> wrote:


"J Young" <youngopinions@aol.com> wrote in message
news:WP2dnfn5V65o48neRVn-1w@giganews.com...

As "Desperate Housewives" continues into the new season, the media
hoopla
surrounding this primetime soap opera continues, stirring up interest
in the
immoral themes. "Desperate Housewives" has been promoted as a 'guilty
pleasure'. Sinful things can seem pleasurable on the surface, but the
consequences bring heartache and destruction - just ask Eve. As viewers
are
caught up in the tawdry story lines, they can easily become ensnared by
the
rationalization of sin. Sadly, as this warped thinking is planted in
hearts,
consciences are dulled and damage occurs.

"Desperate housewife' Gabrielle justifies her sin of adultery with a
teenager by telling her husband: "A woman does need to be loved. And so
since you didn't give it to me, I had to find it elsewhere." She then
flaunts her infidelity and goes on to tell her husband all the ways her
teenage lover 'loved' her: "Gently, savagely, frequently, upside down."
Gabrielle would be quite content with continuing her affair and
stringing
along her husband. Adultery is rationalized and the sanctity of
marriage is
undermined. In fact, marriage is made a mockery of in every story line
of
the show.

However, marriage is not the only institution that "Desperate
Housewives"
repeatedly attacks. Frequent jabs are made against Christianity as
well. Recently, Susan, a mother of a 15 year-old daughter, had no
qualms about considering moving in with boyfriend. In last night's
episode, Susan is shown entering a talent show with her daughter at
church, performing "This
Little Light of Mine". One of the housewives states: "Remember, it's
church.
They're going to be judging you." Sending the message that Christians
are
"judgmental".

In addition to mainstreaming immorality, "Desperate Housewives" seems
bent
on mainstreaming immodesty. Not just for teens, but also for the
'mature'
woman as well. The 'fashion' trend of "Desperate Housewives" is
cleavage,
cleavage, and more cleavage. Not only is cleavage prevalently shown,
but every opportunity is seemingly taken to aim camera angles down the
shirts
of
every low-cut top worn.

Desperate Housewives, as it draws in a large female audience,
legitimizes
a
breakdown of morality that will cause untold damage. Damage that will
have
an impact not only to individual lives and families, but ultimately to
the
further tearing down of our culture.

American Decency Association
Bill Johnson, President
P.O. Box 202
Fremont, MI 49412
ph: 231-924-4050
www.americandecency.org


Is this it? The end of the world? The sky falling?? And with the downfall
we get....CLEAVAGE???? COUNT ME IN! It's a fun show off to a
pretty slow start. Hope things get turned up quite a bit in the next few
episodes. And god forbid that christians are presented as judgmental.
Sounds like no one is safe. Better hide the remote. Methinks Bill is
trying to get some money.


Sounds like the usual American TV pap then.

I am looking forward to the new drama series about the Roman Empire
starting on BBC TV next month. They promise gruesome battle scenes,
extreme cruelty and full frontal nudity. How else can you depict a
barabarous and cruel society? After the 9pm watershed of course when
kids are deemed to be safely tucked up in bed. It was a co-production
with US HBO.

No doubt the misery mongers here will get their knickers twisted and
foam at the mouth again about society coming crashing down, but the
BBC have already decided to commission a second series.


Les Hellawell

Greetings from:
YORKSHIRE The White Rose County


Is it full frontal male nudity?

It is sure to excite the sensibilities of all persuasions. Short answer --
that too.
--
Later,
Darrell Stec

Webpage Sorcery
http://webpagesorcery.com
We Put the Magic in Your Webpages
.

User: "Les Hellawell"

Title: Re: "Desperate Housewives": mainstreaming immorality 18 Oct 2005 03:06:02 PM
On Tue, 18 Oct 2005 17:48:14 +0000 (UTC), "kathryn" <nospam@here.com>
wrote:


"Les Hellawell" <myshredder@leswell.freeuk.com> wrote in message
news:pue9l1lcudrg027d7hhsld4498qlti7j5o@4ax.com...

On Mon, 17 Oct 2005 22:51:14 -0700, "Max Masters!!!"
<maxmasters@comcast.net> wrote:


"J Young" <youngopinions@aol.com> wrote in message
news:WP2dnfn5V65o48neRVn-1w@giganews.com...

As "Desperate Housewives" continues into the new season, the media
hoopla
surrounding this primetime soap opera continues, stirring up interest in
the
immoral themes. "Desperate Housewives" has been promoted as a 'guilty
pleasure'. Sinful things can seem pleasurable on the surface, but the
consequences bring heartache and destruction - just ask Eve. As viewers
are
caught up in the tawdry story lines, they can easily become ensnared by
the
rationalization of sin. Sadly, as this warped thinking is planted in
hearts,
consciences are dulled and damage occurs.

"Desperate housewife' Gabrielle justifies her sin of adultery with a
teenager by telling her husband: "A woman does need to be loved. And so
since you didn't give it to me, I had to find it elsewhere." She then
flaunts her infidelity and goes on to tell her husband all the ways her
teenage lover 'loved' her: "Gently, savagely, frequently, upside down."
Gabrielle would be quite content with continuing her affair and
stringing
along her husband. Adultery is rationalized and the sanctity of marriage
is
undermined. In fact, marriage is made a mockery of in every story line
of
the show.

However, marriage is not the only institution that "Desperate
Housewives"
repeatedly attacks. Frequent jabs are made against Christianity as well.
Recently, Susan, a mother of a 15 year-old daughter, had no qualms about
considering moving in with boyfriend. In last night's episode, Susan is
shown entering a talent show with her daughter at church, performing
"This
Little Light of Mine". One of the housewives states: "Remember, it's
church.
They're going to be judging you." Sending the message that Christians
are
"judgmental".

In addition to mainstreaming immorality, "Desperate Housewives" seems
bent
on mainstreaming immodesty. Not just for teens, but also for the
'mature'
woman as well. The 'fashion' trend of "Desperate Housewives" is
cleavage,
cleavage, and more cleavage. Not only is cleavage prevalently shown, but
every opportunity is seemingly taken to aim camera angles down the
shirts
of
every low-cut top worn.

Desperate Housewives, as it draws in a large female audience,
legitimizes
a
breakdown of morality that will cause untold damage. Damage that will
have
an impact not only to individual lives and families, but ultimately to
the
further tearing down of our culture.

American Decency Association
Bill Johnson, President
P.O. Box 202
Fremont, MI 49412
ph: 231-924-4050
www.americandecency.org


Is this it? The end of the world? The sky falling?? And with the downfall
we get....CLEAVAGE???? COUNT ME IN! It's a fun show off to a
pretty slow start. Hope things get turned up quite a bit in the next few
episodes. And god forbid that christians are presented as judgmental.
Sounds like no one is safe. Better hide the remote. Methinks Bill is
trying to get some money.


Sounds like the usual American TV pap then.

I am looking forward to the new drama series about the Roman Empire
starting on BBC TV next month. They promise gruesome battle scenes,
extreme cruelty and full frontal nudity. How else can you depict a
barabarous and cruel society? After the 9pm watershed of course when
kids are deemed to be safely tucked up in bed. It was a co-production
with US HBO.

No doubt the misery mongers here will get their knickers twisted and
foam at the mouth again about society coming crashing down, but the
BBC have already decided to commission a second series.


Les Hellawell

Greetings from:
YORKSHIRE The White Rose County


Is it full frontal male nudity?

Not seen it yet. You want Caligula for that.
Les Hellawell
Greetings from:
YORKSHIRE The White Rose County
.
User: "NoMo"

Title: "Rome" (was:Re: "Desperate Housewives": mainstreaming immorality 21 Oct 2005 11:41:32 AM
"Les Hellawell" <myshredder@leswell.freeuk.com> wrote in message
news:9blal19un4e5vddrb58c3ccri7g11q4pj3@4ax.com...

On Tue, 18 Oct 2005 17:48:14 +0000 (UTC), "kathryn" <nospam@here.com>
wrote:


"Les Hellawell" <myshredder@leswell.freeuk.com> wrote in message
news:pue9l1lcudrg027d7hhsld4498qlti7j5o@4ax.com...

On Mon, 17 Oct 2005 22:51:14 -0700, "Max Masters!!!"
<maxmasters@comcast.net> wrote:

<snip>

I am looking forward to the new drama series about the Roman Empire
starting on BBC TV next month. They promise gruesome battle scenes,
extreme cruelty and full frontal nudity. How else can you depict a
barabarous and cruel society? After the 9pm watershed of course when
kids are deemed to be safely tucked up in bed. It was a co-production
with US HBO.

It's a fantastic show! The first several espisodes don't quite live up to
the hype, but stick with it. Like "Deadwood," it takes a little while, but
after that it _really_ gets going.

No doubt the misery mongers here will get their knickers twisted and
foam at the mouth again about society coming crashing down, but the
BBC have already decided to commission a second series.

I was pretty pleased when HBO announced a second season; but be warned, it's
not as gruesome / sexually explicit as some might worry about. There is a
bit of full frontal though (including male). I think people anticipated more
depravity and less drama of the series.
.
User: "karl"

Title: Re: "Rome" (was:Re: "Desperate Housewives": mainstreaming immorality 21 Oct 2005 12:04:11 PM
"NoMo" <nothere@earthlink.net> wrote

"Les Hellawell" <myshredder@leswell.freeuk.com> wrote

"kathryn" <nospam@here.com> wrote:

"Les Hellawell" <myshredder@leswell.freeuk.com> wrote\

I am looking forward to the new drama series about the Roman Empire
starting on BBC TV next month. They promise gruesome battle scenes,

[...]

It's a fantastic show! The first several espisodes don't quite live up to
the hype, but stick with it. Like "Deadwood," it takes a little while, but
after that it _really_ gets going.

It is good but don't expect much of the battle scenes. Battles are done, so
far, pretty much offscreen.
.


User: "Max Masters!!!"

Title: Re: "Desperate Housewives": mainstreaming immorality 18 Oct 2005 09:32:57 PM
"Les Hellawell" <myshredder@leswell.freeuk.com> wrote in message
news:9blal19un4e5vddrb58c3ccri7g11q4pj3@4ax.com...

On Tue, 18 Oct 2005 17:48:14 +0000 (UTC), "kathryn" <nospam@here.com>
wrote:


"Les Hellawell" <myshredder@leswell.freeuk.com> wrote in message
news:pue9l1lcudrg027d7hhsld4498qlti7j5o@4ax.com...

On Mon, 17 Oct 2005 22:51:14 -0700, "Max Masters!!!"
<maxmasters@comcast.net> wrote:


"J Young" <youngopinions@aol.com> wrote in message
news:WP2dnfn5V65o48neRVn-1w@giganews.com...

As "Desperate Housewives" continues into the new season, the media
hoopla
surrounding this primetime soap opera continues, stirring up interest
in
the
immoral themes. "Desperate Housewives" has been promoted as a 'guilty
pleasure'. Sinful things can seem pleasurable on the surface, but the
consequences bring heartache and destruction - just ask Eve. As
viewers
are
caught up in the tawdry story lines, they can easily become ensnared
by
the
rationalization of sin. Sadly, as this warped thinking is planted in
hearts,
consciences are dulled and damage occurs.

"Desperate housewife' Gabrielle justifies her sin of adultery with a
teenager by telling her husband: "A woman does need to be loved. And
so
since you didn't give it to me, I had to find it elsewhere." She then
flaunts her infidelity and goes on to tell her husband all the ways
her
teenage lover 'loved' her: "Gently, savagely, frequently, upside
down."
Gabrielle would be quite content with continuing her affair and
stringing
along her husband. Adultery is rationalized and the sanctity of
marriage
is
undermined. In fact, marriage is made a mockery of in every story line
of
the show.

However, marriage is not the only institution that "Desperate
Housewives"
repeatedly attacks. Frequent jabs are made against Christianity as
well.
Recently, Susan, a mother of a 15 year-old daughter, had no qualms
about
considering moving in with boyfriend. In last night's episode, Susan
is
shown entering a talent show with her daughter at church, performing
"This
Little Light of Mine". One of the housewives states: "Remember, it's
church.
They're going to be judging you." Sending the message that Christians
are
"judgmental".

In addition to mainstreaming immorality, "Desperate Housewives" seems
bent
on mainstreaming immodesty. Not just for teens, but also for the
'mature'
woman as well. The 'fashion' trend of "Desperate Housewives" is
cleavage,
cleavage, and more cleavage. Not only is cleavage prevalently shown,
but
every opportunity is seemingly taken to aim camera angles down the
shirts
of
every low-cut top worn.

Desperate Housewives, as it draws in a large female audience,
legitimizes
a
breakdown of morality that will cause untold damage. Damage that will
have
an impact not only to individual lives and families, but ultimately to
the
further tearing down of our culture.

American Decency Association
Bill Johnson, President
P.O. Box 202
Fremont, MI 49412
ph: 231-924-4050
www.americandecency.org


Is this it? The end of the world? The sky falling?? And with the
downfall
we get....CLEAVAGE???? COUNT ME IN! It's a fun show off to a
pretty slow start. Hope things get turned up quite a bit in the next few
episodes. And god forbid that christians are presented as judgmental.
Sounds like no one is safe. Better hide the remote. Methinks Bill is
trying to get some money.


Sounds like the usual American TV pap then.

I am looking forward to the new drama series about the Roman Empire
starting on BBC TV next month. They promise gruesome battle scenes,
extreme cruelty and full frontal nudity. How else can you depict a
barabarous and cruel society? After the 9pm watershed of course when
kids are deemed to be safely tucked up in bed. It was a co-production
with US HBO.

No doubt the misery mongers here will get their knickers twisted and
foam at the mouth again about society coming crashing down, but the
BBC have already decided to commission a second series.


Les Hellawell

Greetings from:
YORKSHIRE The White Rose County


Is it full frontal male nudity?

Not seen it yet. You want Caligula for that.

Les Hellawell

Greetings from:
YORKSHIRE The White Rose County

Not to mention the lack of "impresiveness" from such a camrera angle.
What tv shows are good from across the Atlantic (or the Pacific if anyone
would like to chime in), for those of us with erotic, exotic, or outrageous
tastes?
.
User: "Les Hellawell"

Title: Re: "Desperate Housewives": mainstreaming immorality 19 Oct 2005 07:15:36 AM
On Tue, 18 Oct 2005 19:32:57 -0700, "Max Masters!!!"
<maxmasters@comcast.net> wrote:


"Les Hellawell" <myshredder@leswell.freeuk.com> wrote in message
news:9blal19un4e5vddrb58c3ccri7g11q4pj3@4ax.com...

On Tue, 18 Oct 2005 17:48:14 +0000 (UTC), "kathryn" <nospam@here.com>
wrote:


"Les Hellawell" <myshredder@leswell.freeuk.com> wrote in message
news:pue9l1lcudrg027d7hhsld4498qlti7j5o@4ax.com...

On Mon, 17 Oct 2005 22:51:14 -0700, "Max Masters!!!"
<maxmasters@comcast.net> wrote:


"J Young" <youngopinions@aol.com> wrote in message
news:WP2dnfn5V65o48neRVn-1w@giganews.com...

As "Desperate Housewives" continues into the new season, the media
hoopla
surrounding this primetime soap opera continues, stirring up interest
in
the
immoral themes. "Desperate Housewives" has been promoted as a 'guilty
pleasure'. Sinful things can seem pleasurable on the surface, but the
consequences bring heartache and destruction - just ask Eve. As
viewers
are
caught up in the tawdry story lines, they can easily become ensnared
by
the
rationalization of sin. Sadly, as this warped thinking is planted in
hearts,
consciences are dulled and damage occurs.

"Desperate housewife' Gabrielle justifies her sin of adultery with a
teenager by telling her husband: "A woman does need to be loved. And
so
since you didn't give it to me, I had to find it elsewhere." She then
flaunts her infidelity and goes on to tell her husband all the ways
her
teenage lover 'loved' her: "Gently, savagely, frequently, upside
down."
Gabrielle would be quite content with continuing her affair and
stringing
along her husband. Adultery is rationalized and the sanctity of
marriage
is
undermined. In fact, marriage is made a mockery of in every story line
of
the show.

However, marriage is not the only institution that "Desperate
Housewives"
repeatedly attacks. Frequent jabs are made against Christianity as
well.
Recently, Susan, a mother of a 15 year-old daughter, had no qualms
about
considering moving in with boyfriend. In last night's episode, Susan
is
shown entering a talent show with her daughter at church, performing
"This
Little Light of Mine". One of the housewives states: "Remember, it's
church.
They're going to be judging you." Sending the message that Christians
are
"judgmental".

In addition to mainstreaming immorality, "Desperate Housewives" seems
bent
on mainstreaming immodesty. Not just for teens, but also for the
'mature'
woman as well. The 'fashion' trend of "Desperate Housewives" is
cleavage,
cleavage, and more cleavage. Not only is cleavage prevalently shown,
but
every opportunity is seemingly taken to aim camera angles down the
shirts
of
every low-cut top worn.

Desperate Housewives, as it draws in a large female audience,
legitimizes
a
breakdown of morality that will cause untold damage. Damage that will
have
an impact not only to individual lives and families, but ultimately to
the
further tearing down of our culture.

American Decency Association
Bill Johnson, President
P.O. Box 202
Fremont, MI 49412
ph: 231-924-4050
www.americandecency.org


Is this it? The end of the world? The sky falling?? And with the
downfall
we get....CLEAVAGE???? COUNT ME IN! It's a fun show off to a
pretty slow start. Hope things get turned up quite a bit in the next few
episodes. And god forbid that christians are presented as judgmental.
Sounds like no one is safe. Better hide the remote. Methinks Bill is
trying to get some money.


Sounds like the usual American TV pap then.

I am looking forward to the new drama series about the Roman Empire
starting on BBC TV next month. They promise gruesome battle scenes,
extreme cruelty and full frontal nudity. How else can you depict a
barabarous and cruel society? After the 9pm watershed of course when
kids are deemed to be safely tucked up in bed. It was a co-production
with US HBO.

No doubt the misery mongers here will get their knickers twisted and
foam at the mouth again about society coming crashing down, but the
BBC have already decided to commission a second series.


Les Hellawell

Greetings from:
YORKSHIRE The White Rose County


Is it full frontal male nudity?

Not seen it yet. You want Caligula for that.

Les Hellawell

Greetings from:
YORKSHIRE The White Rose County


Not to mention the lack of "impresiveness" from such a camrera angle.

What tv shows are good from across the Atlantic (or the Pacific if anyone
would like to chime in), for those of us with erotic, exotic, or outrageous
tastes?

Actually I have just discovered "Desparate Housewives" will be showing
tonight in the UK on E4 (a Freeview Terrestial Digital channel.) Not a
channel I have ever watched since it consists mostly of rubbish like
"Friends", "Hollyoaks" and "Wife Swap" (not what it suggests) Too many
ad breaks anyway.
Les Hellawell
Greetings from:
YORKSHIRE The White Rose County
.

User: "Les Hellawell"

Title: Re: "Desperate Housewives": mainstreaming immorality 19 Oct 2005 03:55:40 AM
On Tue, 18 Oct 2005 19:32:57 -0700, "Max Masters!!!"
<maxmasters@comcast.net> wrote:

What tv shows are good from across the Atlantic (or the Pacific if anyone
would like to chime in), for those of us with erotic, exotic, or outrageous
tastes?

Not a lot. Having you ever watched the 'god' channels? They are quite
bizarre.
Les Hellawell
Greetings from:
YORKSHIRE The White Rose County
.
User: "Max Masters!!!"

Title: Re: "Desperate Housewives": mainstreaming immorality 20 Oct 2005 12:29:14 AM
"Les Hellawell" <myshredder@leswell.freeuk.com> wrote in message
news:6d2cl1953g7alg1qmcuh17qtvg95lf79ee@4ax.com...

On Tue, 18 Oct 2005 19:32:57 -0700, "Max Masters!!!"
<maxmasters@comcast.net> wrote:


What tv shows are good from across the Atlantic (or the Pacific if anyone
would like to chime in), for those of us with erotic, exotic, or
outrageous
tastes?

Not a lot. Having you ever watched the 'god' channels? They are quite
bizarre.

Sure, although they are all to homogenous for me. I liked the guy from San
Francisco who had used come kind of 'royal inch' to show how the great
pyramids were architetures of prediction. And tonite on the Colbert Report,
Colbert called the pyramids and ornate burial grounds something like "Piimp
my coffin".
.





User: "Max Masters!!!"

Title: Re: "Desperate Housewives": mainstreaming immorality 18 Oct 2005 09:27:48 PM
"Les Hellawell" <myshredder@leswell.freeuk.com> wrote in message
news:pue9l1lcudrg027d7hhsld4498qlti7j5o@4ax.com...

On Mon, 17 Oct 2005 22:51:14 -0700, "Max Masters!!!"
<maxmasters@comcast.net> wrote:


"J Young" <youngopinions@aol.com> wrote in message
news:WP2dnfn5V65o48neRVn-1w@giganews.com...

As "Desperate Housewives" continues into the new season, the media
hoopla
surrounding this primetime soap opera continues, stirring up interest in
the
immoral themes. "Desperate Housewives" has been promoted as a 'guilty
pleasure'. Sinful things can seem pleasurable on the surface, but the
consequences bring heartache and destruction - just ask Eve. As viewers
are
caught up in the tawdry story lines, they can easily become ensnared by
the
rationalization of sin. Sadly, as this warped thinking is planted in
hearts,
consciences are dulled and damage occurs.

"Desperate housewife' Gabrielle justifies her sin of adultery with a
teenager by telling her husband: "A woman does need to be loved. And so
since you didn't give it to me, I had to find it elsewhere." She then
flaunts her infidelity and goes on to tell her husband all the ways her
teenage lover 'loved' her: "Gently, savagely, frequently, upside down."
Gabrielle would be quite content with continuing her affair and
stringing
along her husband. Adultery is rationalized and the sanctity of marriage
is
undermined. In fact, marriage is made a mockery of in every story line
of
the show.

However, marriage is not the only institution that "Desperate
Housewives"
repeatedly attacks. Frequent jabs are made against Christianity as well.
Recently, Susan, a mother of a 15 year-old daughter, had no qualms about
considering moving in with boyfriend. In last night's episode, Susan is
shown entering a talent show with her daughter at church, performing
"This
Little Light of Mine". One of the housewives states: "Remember, it's
church.
They're going to be judging you." Sending the message that Christians
are
"judgmental".

In addition to mainstreaming immorality, "Desperate Housewives" seems
bent
on mainstreaming immodesty. Not just for teens, but also for the
'mature'
woman as well. The 'fashion' trend of "Desperate Housewives" is
cleavage,
cleavage, and more cleavage. Not only is cleavage prevalently shown, but
every opportunity is seemingly taken to aim camera angles down the
shirts
of
every low-cut top worn.

Desperate Housewives, as it draws in a large female audience,
legitimizes
a
breakdown of morality that will cause untold damage. Damage that will
have
an impact not only to individual lives and families, but ultimately to
the
further tearing down of our culture.

American Decency Association
Bill Johnson, President
P.O. Box 202
Fremont, MI 49412
ph: 231-924-4050
www.americandecency.org


Is this it? The end of the world? The sky falling?? And with the downfall
we get....CLEAVAGE???? COUNT ME IN! It's a fun show off to a
pretty slow start. Hope things get turned up quite a bit in the next few
episodes. And god forbid that christians are presented as judgmental.
Sounds like no one is safe. Better hide the remote. Methinks Bill is
trying to get some money.


Sounds like the usual American TV pap then.

I am looking forward to the new drama series about the Roman Empire
starting on BBC TV next month. They promise gruesome battle scenes,
extreme cruelty and full frontal nudity. How else can you depict a
barabarous and cruel society? After the 9pm watershed of course when
kids are deemed to be safely tucked up in bed. It was a co-production
with US HBO.

No doubt the misery mongers here will get their knickers twisted and
foam at the mouth again about society coming crashing down, but the
BBC have already decided to commission a second series.


Les Hellawell

Greetings from:
YORKSHIRE The White Rose County

On the subject of full frontal nudity: is global tv on the horizon?? There
are a
lot of shows in other countries that I would like to watch. Keep an eye out
for
'Wonder Showzen': Sesame Street and depraved lunacy.
.
User: "Les Hellawell"

Title: Re: "Desperate Housewives": mainstreaming immorality 19 Oct 2005 03:51:16 AM
On Tue, 18 Oct 2005 19:27:48 -0700, "Max Masters!!!"
<maxmasters@comcast.net> wrote:


"Les Hellawell" <myshredder@leswell.freeuk.com> wrote in message
news:pue9l1lcudrg027d7hhsld4498qlti7j5o@4ax.com...

On Mon, 17 Oct 2005 22:51:14 -0700, "Max Masters!!!"
<maxmasters@comcast.net> wrote:


"J Young" <youngopinions@aol.com> wrote in message
news:WP2dnfn5V65o48neRVn-1w@giganews.com...

As "Desperate Housewives" continues into the new season, the media
hoopla
surrounding this primetime soap opera continues, stirring up interest in
the
immoral themes. "Desperate Housewives" has been promoted as a 'guilty
pleasure'. Sinful things can seem pleasurable on the surface, but the
consequences bring heartache and destruction - just ask Eve. As viewers
are
caught up in the tawdry story lines, they can easily become ensnared by
the
rationalization of sin. Sadly, as this warped thinking is planted in
hearts,
consciences are dulled and damage occurs.

"Desperate housewife' Gabrielle justifies her sin of adultery with a
teenager by telling her husband: "A woman does need to be loved. And so
since you didn't give it to me, I had to find it elsewhere." She then
flaunts her infidelity and goes on to tell her husband all the ways her
teenage lover 'loved' her: "Gently, savagely, frequently, upside down."
Gabrielle would be quite content with continuing her affair and
stringing
along her husband. Adultery is rationalized and the sanctity of marriage
is
undermined. In fact, marriage is made a mockery of in every story line
of
the show.

However, marriage is not the only institution that "Desperate
Housewives"
repeatedly attacks. Frequent jabs are made against Christianity as well.
Recently, Susan, a mother of a 15 year-old daughter, had no qualms about
considering moving in with boyfriend. In last night's episode, Susan is
shown entering a talent show with her daughter at church, performing
"This
Little Light of Mine". One of the housewives states: "Remember, it's
church.
They're going to be judging you." Sending the message that Christians
are
"judgmental".

In addition to mainstreaming immorality, "Desperate Housewives" seems
bent
on mainstreaming immodesty. Not just for teens, but also for the
'mature'
woman as well. The 'fashion' trend of "Desperate Housewives" is
cleavage,
cleavage, and more cleavage. Not only is cleavage prevalently shown, but
every opportunity is seemingly taken to aim camera angles down the
shirts
of
every low-cut top worn.

Desperate Housewives, as it draws in a large female audience,
legitimizes
a
breakdown of morality that will cause untold damage. Damage that will
have
an impact not only to individual lives and families, but ultimately to
the
further tearing down of our culture.

American Decency Association
Bill Johnson, President
P.O. Box 202
Fremont, MI 49412
ph: 231-924-4050
www.americandecency.org


Is this it? The end of the world? The sky falling?? And with the downfall
we get....CLEAVAGE???? COUNT ME IN! It's a fun show off to a
pretty slow start. Hope things get turned up quite a bit in the next few
episodes. And god forbid that christians are presented as judgmental.
Sounds like no one is safe. Better hide the remote. Methinks Bill is
trying to get some money.


Sounds like the usual American TV pap then.

I am looking forward to the new drama series about the Roman Empire
starting on BBC TV next month. They promise gruesome battle scenes,
extreme cruelty and full frontal nudity. How else can you depict a
barabarous and cruel society? After the 9pm watershed of course when
kids are deemed to be safely tucked up in bed. It was a co-production
with US HBO.

No doubt the misery mongers here will get their knickers twisted and
foam at the mouth again about society coming crashing down, but the
BBC have already decided to commission a second series.


Les Hellawell

Greetings from:
YORKSHIRE The White Rose County


On the subject of full frontal nudity: is global tv on the horizon?? There
are a lot of shows in other countries that I would like to watch. Keep an eye out
for 'Wonder Showzen': Sesame Street and depraved lunacy.

I have a steerable dish but get none of the US satellites but lots of
those depraved god channels are repeated along with several expat Arab
language stations from the USA.
Sesame Street - this is a Candadian kids channel? - we have had that
for years but not Wonder Showzen. We get Hercules from time
to time which I find amusing and Zena They have just done
a viewers best 100 sex scenes and Zena having an - innocent to
kids - bath with another girl was in the top 30. The winner was
Ursula Undress walking out of the sea in a Bond film.
There are several soft and hard porn channels but they are sub. only.
The amusing thing is that the fta god, sex (tits only) and shopping
channels are all jostling together down in the fag end of TV along
with one or two occult channels where they all belong. I guess all
together they don't register on the viewing charts for numbers
watching.
Les Hellawell
Greetings from:
YORKSHIRE The White Rose County
.
User: "Max Masters!!!"

Title: Re: "Desperate Housewives": mainstreaming immorality 20 Oct 2005 12:24:25 AM
"Les Hellawell" <myshredder@leswell.freeuk.com> wrote in message
news:8a1cl1lf9n7p2cukdot8c5q69daauab78d@4ax.com...

On Tue, 18 Oct 2005 19:27:48 -0700, "Max Masters!!!"
<maxmasters@comcast.net> wrote:


"Les Hellawell" <myshredder@leswell.freeuk.com> wrote in message
news:pue9l1lcudrg027d7hhsld4498qlti7j5o@4ax.com...

On Mon, 17 Oct 2005 22:51:14 -0700, "Max Masters!!!"
<maxmasters@comcast.net> wrote:


"J Young" <youngopinions@aol.com> wrote in message
news:WP2dnfn5V65o48neRVn-1w@giganews.com...

As "Desperate Housewives" continues into the new season, the media
hoopla
surrounding this primetime soap opera continues, stirring up interest
in
the
immoral themes. "Desperate Housewives" has been promoted as a 'guilty
pleasure'. Sinful things can seem pleasurable on the surface, but the
consequences bring heartache and destruction - just ask Eve. As
viewers
are
caught up in the tawdry story lines, they can easily become ensnared
by
the
rationalization of sin. Sadly, as this warped thinking is planted in
hearts,
consciences are dulled and damage occurs.

"Desperate housewife' Gabrielle justifies her sin of adultery with a
teenager by telling her husband: "A woman does need to be loved. And
so
since you didn't give it to me, I had to find it elsewhere." She then
flaunts her infidelity and goes on to tell her husband all the ways
her
teenage lover 'loved' her: "Gently, savagely, frequently, upside
down."
Gabrielle would be quite content with continuing her affair and
stringing
along her husband. Adultery is rationalized and the sanctity of
marriage
is
undermined. In fact, marriage is made a mockery of in every story line
of
the show.

However, marriage is not the only institution that "Desperate
Housewives"
repeatedly attacks. Frequent jabs are made against Christianity as
well.
Recently, Susan, a mother of a 15 year-old daughter, had no qualms
about
considering moving in with boyfriend. In last night's episode, Susan
is
shown entering a talent show with her daughter at church, performing
"This
Little Light of Mine". One of the housewives states: "Remember, it's
church.
They're going to be judging you." Sending the message that Christians
are
"judgmental".

In addition to mainstreaming immorality, "Desperate Housewives" seems
bent
on mainstreaming immodesty. Not just for teens, but also for the
'mature'
woman as well. The 'fashion' trend of "Desperate Housewives" is
cleavage,
cleavage, and more cleavage. Not only is cleavage prevalently shown,
but
every opportunity is seemingly taken to aim camera angles down the
shirts
of
every low-cut top worn.

Desperate Housewives, as it draws in a large female audience,
legitimizes
a
breakdown of morality that will cause untold damage. Damage that will
have
an impact not only to individual lives and families, but ultimately to
the
further tearing down of our culture.

American Decency Association
Bill Johnson, President
P.O. Box 202
Fremont, MI 49412
ph: 231-924-4050
www.americandecency.org


Is this it? The end of the world? The sky falling?? And with the
downfall
we get....CLEAVAGE???? COUNT ME IN! It's a fun show off to a
pretty slow start. Hope things get turned up quite a bit in the next few
episodes. And god forbid that christians are presented as judgmental.
Sounds like no one is safe. Better hide the remote. Methinks Bill is
trying to get some money.


Sounds like the usual American TV pap then.

I am looking forward to the new drama series about the Roman Empire
starting on BBC TV next month. They promise gruesome battle scenes,
extreme cruelty and full frontal nudity. How else can you depict a
barabarous and cruel society? After the 9pm watershed of course when
kids are deemed to be safely tucked up in bed. It was a co-production
with US HBO.

No doubt the misery mongers here will get their knickers twisted and
foam at the mouth again about society coming crashing down, but the
BBC have already decided to commission a second series.


Les Hellawell

Greetings from:
YORKSHIRE The White Rose County


On the subject of full frontal nudity: is global tv on the horizon?? There
are a lot of shows in other countries that I would like to watch. Keep an
eye out
for 'Wonder Showzen': Sesame Street and depraved lunacy.


I have a steerable dish but get none of the US satellites but lots of
those depraved god channels are repeated along with several expat Arab
language stations from the USA.

Sesame Street - this is a Candadian kids channel? - we have had that
for years but not Wonder Showzen. We get Hercules from time
to time which I find amusing and Zena They have just done
a viewers best 100 sex scenes and Zena having an - innocent to
kids - bath with another girl was in the top 30. The winner was
Ursula Undress walking out of the sea in a Bond film.

There are several soft and hard porn channels but they are sub. only.
The amusing thing is that the fta god, sex (tits only) and shopping
channels are all jostling together down in the fag end of TV along
with one or two occult channels where they all belong. I guess all
together they don't register on the viewing charts for numbers
watching.

I'm sure it's a case of what I pay attention to and remember, but I thought
shows in Spain had married couples doing light bondage stuff??
You might have to go to you local library and ask for Wonder Showzen,
it's for the libreal minded ONLY. Sesame Street is the long running
public tv show for kids. I still fondly (fondling?) remember "Conjunction
Junction", which I've noticed has reappeared ocassionally after 30 plus
years.
.

User: "The Secretary of HomInt3rn"

Title: Re: "Desperate Housewives": mainstreaming immorality 20 Oct 2005 12:53:34 AM
I was busily flonking away in alt.politics.homosexuality, when The Goddess
Eris Herself suddenly made me reply to Les Hellawell:

Sesame Street - this is a Candadian kids channel?

Sesame Street first started around 1967, on CBC in Canada and PBS in the
States. Both countries vociferously claim it, but Canada is in the
right.;-{*}
--
___________________________________________________________________________
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Bent Depraved N. Deviant *****-Smoker, Esq., Superfaggot
"Stupidity excuses nothing. It's only a reason...." -- Phxbrd
Economic Left/Right: -7.63 Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -7.38
"The whining has just begun." -- John Wentzky
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"It's not nice to misrepresent Mother Nature."
.
User: "L. Michael Roberts"

Title: Re: "Desperate Housewives": mainstreaming immorality 20 Oct 2005 09:06:57 AM
The Secretary of HomInt3rn <ý| wrote:

I was busily flonking away in alt.politics.homosexuality, when The Goddess
Eris Herself suddenly made me reply to Les Hellawell:

Sesame Street - this is a Candadian kids channel?


Sesame Street first started around 1967, on CBC in Canada and PBS in the
States. Both countries vociferously claim it, but Canada is in the
right.;-{*}

Frank Oz, the guy behind the muppits, had been doing kids shows in the
USA for some time before the Sesame St. concept was developed. It just
happens that production Costs in Canada were more reasonable, and the
CBC was interested in the show, so the show was made here.
I had the great fortune to meat Frank Oz and his crew of creative
crazys at the VTR Production studios in Yorkville many yeas ago when I
did special effects for an Episode of the CBC's Muppiit spin-off chow,
Fraggle Rock. If you ever see a re-run of that show featuring a bunch
of Muppits cavorting in outer space to the Pointer Sister's "I'm so
excited"... then you saw my work :)
--
+==================== L. Michael Roberts ======================+
This represents my personal opinion and NOT Company policy
Goderich, Ont, Canada. To reply, post a request for my valid E-mail
"Life is a sexually transmitted, terminal, condition"
+================================================================+
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