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18 Jan 2005 06:05:04 PM |
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Did anyone catch ABC Evening News? |
They had a fair size News story on Intelligent Design in the school in
Pennsylvania.
http://abcnews.go.com/Nightline/Science/story?id=415444&page=1
It's on the abcnews.com home page.
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18 Jan 2005 06:27:57 PM |
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"Sharon" <mail-@-creation-vs-evolution.us> wrote in
news:1106093106.d01f1e81f1d85d9534f4450f6b761324@teranews:
They had a fair size News story on Intelligent Design in the school in
Pennsylvania.
http://abcnews.go.com/Nightline/Science/story?id=415444&page=1
It's on the abcnews.com home page.
There is also a message board:
http://forums.go.com/abcnews/forum?start=0&forumID=9
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- Isaac Asimov
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| User: "Chris Thompson" |
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18 Jan 2005 07:06:20 PM |
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Harlequin <usenet@sdc.cox.net> wrote in
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"Sharon" <mail-@-creation-vs-evolution.us> wrote in
news:1106093106.d01f1e81f1d85d9534f4450f6b761324@teranews:
They had a fair size News story on Intelligent Design in the school in
Pennsylvania.
http://abcnews.go.com/Nightline/Science/story?id=415444&page=1
It's on the abcnews.com home page.
There is also a message board:
http://forums.go.com/abcnews/forum?start=0&forumID=9
You gotta love the part about the custodian burning the student's mural.
The Inquisition's back in town!
Chris
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| User: "Chris Thompson" |
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18 Jan 2005 07:06:27 PM |
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Harlequin <usenet@sdc.cox.net> wrote in
news:Xns95E2BBA53F280usenet123mmcablecom@68.12.19.6:
"Sharon" <mail-@-creation-vs-evolution.us> wrote in
news:1106093106.d01f1e81f1d85d9534f4450f6b761324@teranews:
They had a fair size News story on Intelligent Design in the school in
Pennsylvania.
http://abcnews.go.com/Nightline/Science/story?id=415444&page=1
It's on the abcnews.com home page.
There is also a message board:
http://forums.go.com/abcnews/forum?start=0&forumID=9
You gotta love the part about the custodian burning the student's mural.
The Inquisition's back in town!
Chris
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| User: "Enkidu" |
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18 Jan 2005 07:24:41 PM |
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Chris Thompson <rockwallaby@REMOVEhotmail.com> wrote in
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Harlequin <usenet@sdc.cox.net> wrote in
news:Xns95E2BBA53F280usenet123mmcablecom@68.12.19.6:
"Sharon" <mail-@-creation-vs-evolution.us> wrote in
news:1106093106.d01f1e81f1d85d9534f4450f6b761324@teranews:
They had a fair size News story on Intelligent Design in the school
in Pennsylvania.
http://abcnews.go.com/Nightline/Science/story?id=415444&page=1
It's on the abcnews.com home page.
There is also a message board:
http://forums.go.com/abcnews/forum?start=0&forumID=9
You gotta love the part about the custodian burning the student's
mural.
The Inquisition's back in town!
He deserves to have his ***** fired. That mural did not belong to him, it
was not his to destroy.
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Enkidu AA# 2165
Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able?
Then he is not omnipotent.
Is he able, but not willing?
Then he is malevolent.
Is he both able and willing?
Then where does evil come from?
Is he neither able nor willing?
Then why call him God?
Epicurus 341-270 B.C.E.
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| User: "Chris Thompson" |
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18 Jan 2005 08:46:32 PM |
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Enkidu <enkidu@leaddogs.org> wrote in
news:Xns95E2B12A75112255229@130.133.1.4:
Chris Thompson <rockwallaby@REMOVEhotmail.com> wrote in
news:Xns95E2CC87A727Arockwallabyhotmailco@207.69.189.191:
Harlequin <usenet@sdc.cox.net> wrote in
news:Xns95E2BBA53F280usenet123mmcablecom@68.12.19.6:
"Sharon" <mail-@-creation-vs-evolution.us> wrote in
news:1106093106.d01f1e81f1d85d9534f4450f6b761324@teranews:
They had a fair size News story on Intelligent Design in the school
in Pennsylvania.
http://abcnews.go.com/Nightline/Science/story?id=415444&page=1
It's on the abcnews.com home page.
There is also a message board:
http://forums.go.com/abcnews/forum?start=0&forumID=9
You gotta love the part about the custodian burning the student's
mural.
The Inquisition's back in town!
He deserves to have his ***** fired. That mural did not belong to him,
it was not his to destroy.
Do you think it bothers those people- or that it ever crossed their
minds- that a fair percentage of people in the world now considers them
mindless barbarians and superstitious book-burners?
Chris
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| User: "Dale" |
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18 Jan 2005 10:47:31 PM |
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"Chris Thompson" <rockwallaby@REMOVEhotmail.com> wrote in message
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Do you think it bothers those people- or that it ever crossed their
minds- that a fair percentage of people in the world now considers them
mindless barbarians and superstitious book-burners?
You have to approach it from an anthropological point of view. Just imagine
the menfolk running around in loin cloths, hunting for dinner with a spear,
the women folk weaving baskets and pounding corn. Makes it harder to get mad
at them and call them names. "You give 'em beads, it makes 'em friendly." -
Max, The Great Race
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| User: "A. Carlson" |
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19 Jan 2005 12:41:26 AM |
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On Wed, 19 Jan 2005 04:47:31 GMT, "Dale" <dmgreer@nspm.airmail.net>
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"Chris Thompson" <rockwallaby@REMOVEhotmail.com> wrote in message
news:Xns95E2DD8398BDCrockwallabyhotmailco@207.69.189.191...
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Do you think it bothers those people- or that it ever crossed their
minds- that a fair percentage of people in the world now considers them
mindless barbarians and superstitious book-burners?
You have to approach it from an anthropological point of view. Just imagine
the menfolk running around in loin cloths, hunting for dinner with a spear,
the women folk weaving baskets and pounding corn. Makes it harder to get mad
at them and call them names. "You give 'em beads, it makes 'em friendly." -
Max, The Great Race
or in this case, "you teach 'em great spirit god is part of process,
it keep 'em friendly."
In this light, when dealing with such Neanderthals within their own
culture, perhaps it would be then be all right to give in, but Modern
Science is clearly not part of their culture then, it is a more
advanced culture that they have in effect been invited in to and given
the privilege to learn.
Perhaps if they are so insistent in not adhering to the rules of this
particular society, they should henceforth be considered outcasts!
Alex
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| User: "Enkidu" |
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18 Jan 2005 08:58:51 PM |
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Chris Thompson <rockwallaby@REMOVEhotmail.com> wrote in
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Enkidu <enkidu@leaddogs.org> wrote in
news:Xns95E2B12A75112255229@130.133.1.4:
Chris Thompson <rockwallaby@REMOVEhotmail.com> wrote in
news:Xns95E2CC87A727Arockwallabyhotmailco@207.69.189.191:
Harlequin <usenet@sdc.cox.net> wrote in
news:Xns95E2BBA53F280usenet123mmcablecom@68.12.19.6:
"Sharon" <mail-@-creation-vs-evolution.us> wrote in
news:1106093106.d01f1e81f1d85d9534f4450f6b761324@teranews:
They had a fair size News story on Intelligent Design in the school
in Pennsylvania.
http://abcnews.go.com/Nightline/Science/story?id=415444&page=1
It's on the abcnews.com home page.
There is also a message board:
http://forums.go.com/abcnews/forum?start=0&forumID=9
You gotta love the part about the custodian burning the student's
mural.
The Inquisition's back in town!
He deserves to have his ***** fired. That mural did not belong to him,
it was not his to destroy.
Do you think it bothers those people- or that it ever crossed their
minds- that a fair percentage of people in the world now considers them
mindless barbarians and superstitious book-burners?
No, the pray to a barbaric God, and only need one book.
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Enkidu AA# 2165
Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able?
Then he is not omnipotent.
Is he able, but not willing?
Then he is malevolent.
Is he both able and willing?
Then where does evil come from?
Is he neither able nor willing?
Then why call him God?
Epicurus 341-270 B.C.E.
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| User: "Dave Puskala" |
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20 Jan 2005 11:10:02 PM |
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"Enkidu" <enkidu@leaddogs.org> wrote in message
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Chris Thompson <rockwallaby@REMOVEhotmail.com> wrote in
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Enkidu <enkidu@leaddogs.org> wrote in
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Chris Thompson <rockwallaby@REMOVEhotmail.com> wrote in
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Harlequin <usenet@sdc.cox.net> wrote in
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"Sharon" <mail-@-creation-vs-evolution.us> wrote in
news:1106093106.d01f1e81f1d85d9534f4450f6b761324@teranews:
They had a fair size News story on Intelligent Design in the school
in Pennsylvania.
http://abcnews.go.com/Nightline/Science/story?id=415444&page=1
It's on the abcnews.com home page.
There is also a message board:
http://forums.go.com/abcnews/forum?start=0&forumID=9
You gotta love the part about the custodian burning the student's
mural.
The Inquisition's back in town!
He deserves to have his ***** fired. That mural did not belong to him,
it was not his to destroy.
Do you think it bothers those people- or that it ever crossed their
minds- that a fair percentage of people in the world now considers them
mindless barbarians and superstitious book-burners?
No, the pray to a barbaric God, and only need one book.
.....and they can't even manage to understand that one book.
--
Enkidu AA# 2165
Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able?
Then he is not omnipotent.
Is he able, but not willing?
Then he is malevolent.
Is he both able and willing?
Then where does evil come from?
Is he neither able nor willing?
Then why call him God?
Epicurus 341-270 B.C.E.
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| User: "Gregory Gadow" |
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19 Jan 2005 08:09:49 AM |
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Chris Thompson wrote:
Do you think it bothers those people- or that it ever crossed their
minds- that a fair percentage of people in the world now considers them
mindless barbarians and superstitious book-burners?
"Now" considers them? Most of the world has despised Christian
fundamentalists for centuries, especially the targets of Christian
imperialism like India, Japan and China.
--
Gregory Gadow
techbear@serv.net
http://www.serv.net/~techbear
"The President is merely the most important among a large number
of public servants. He should be supported or opposed exactly to
the degree which is warranted by his good conduct or bad conduct,
his efficiency or inefficiency in rendering loyal, able, and
disinterested service to the Nation as a whole. Therefore it is
absolutely necessary that there should be full liberty to tell
the truth about his acts, and this means that it is exactly
necessary to blame him when he does wrong as to praise him when
he does right. Any other attitude in an American citizen is both
base and servile. To announce that there must be no criticism of
the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or
wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable
to the American public. Nothing but the truth should be spoken about
him or any one else. But it is even more important to tell the truth,
pleasant or unpleasant, about him than about any one else."
President Theodore Roosevelt, editorial to the Kansas City Star
May 7, 1918
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| User: "Puppet_Sock" |
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19 Jan 2005 02:35:37 PM |
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Gregory Gadow wrote:
Chris Thompson wrote:
Do you think it bothers those people- or that it ever crossed their
minds- that a fair percentage of people in the world now considers
them
mindless barbarians and superstitious book-burners?
"Now" considers them? Most of the world has despised Christian
fundamentalists for centuries, especially the targets of Christian
imperialism like India, Japan and China.
Um. Why was this question asked? Do you think that followers
of Islam consider this question? Or followers of Hinduism?
Does any culture ever consider itself evil?
Socks
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| User: "Dale" |
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18 Jan 2005 10:35:10 PM |
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"Sharon" <mail-@-creation-vs-evolution.us> wrote in message
news:1106093106.d01f1e81f1d85d9534f4450f6b761324@teranews...
They had a fair size News story on Intelligent Design in the school in
Pennsylvania.
http://abcnews.go.com/Nightline/Science/story?id=415444&page=1
It's on the abcnews.com home page.
I like this quote: When asked what intelligent design means, Buckingham
answered, "Back through time, something - molecules, amoeba, whatever -
evolved into the complexities of life we have now."
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| User: "Sharon" |
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19 Jan 2005 04:59:32 PM |
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"Dale" <dmgreer@nspm.airmail.net> wrote in message
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"Sharon" <mail-@-creation-vs-evolution.us> wrote in message
news:1106093106.d01f1e81f1d85d9534f4450f6b761324@teranews...
They had a fair size News story on Intelligent Design in the school in
Pennsylvania.
http://abcnews.go.com/Nightline/Science/story?id=415444&page=1
It's on the abcnews.com home page.
I like this quote: When asked what intelligent design means, Buckingham
answered, "Back through time, something - molecules, amoeba, whatever -
evolved into the complexities of life we have now."
I'm confused too how they can get away with saying "It's too complex to be
explained." Attitudes just like that is what kept science moving forward for
centuries. DNA seems complex to us -- big deal. It's not proof of God. The
atom (a theory) was pretty complex at one time too -- and even the concept
of a vast universe, that too was hard for them to swallow. But they accepted
it as matter of fact in due time. Too bad we don't have the fossils of the
life forms that existed beyond 3.8 billion years ago, (or sample living
fossils) or it just might answer their questions about the origins of life.
Perhaps the single celled organisms we do know about evolved from earlier
life forms which had less complex DNA -- and DNA itself evolved. Too bad we
don't have those life forms -- or pre-life forms to put under a microscope
in the classrooms and show the kids "Evolution Happens".
I was a bit scathed watching the news story, upon hearing the preacher they
interviewed (paraphrased) saying science is brainwashing kids ... if he
wants his kids to learn about God, let him teach them about God Monday
Morning and Evening, Tuesday Morning and Evening, Wednesday Morning and
Evening, Thursday Morning and Evening, Friday Morning and Evening -- all day
Saturday and all day Sunday. I don't want the garbage taught to my kids in
the public school system (paid for with tax dollars) -- for goodness sake,
who can really take these people seriously -- are we creeping backward to
the dark ages and what happened to the separation of church and state? These
jokers do not have proof that "Life/DNA is too complex to explain". If
they'd shut up and give science another fifty years we might be able to.
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| User: "Al Klein" |
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19 Jan 2005 08:14:07 PM |
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On Wed, 19 Jan 2005 17:59:32 -0500, "Sharon"
<mail-@-creation-vs-evolution.us> said in alt.atheism:
I'm confused too how they can get away with saying "It's too complex to be
explained." Attitudes just like that is what kept science moving forward for
centuries. DNA seems complex to us -- big deal. It's not proof of God. The
atom (a theory) was pretty complex at one time too -- and even the concept
of a vast universe, that too was hard for them to swallow. But they accepted
it as matter of fact in due time. Too bad we don't have the fossils of the
life forms that existed beyond 3.8 billion years ago, (or sample living
fossils)
We sort of do - cyanobacteria still exist.
or it just might answer their questions about the origins of life.
Perhaps the single celled organisms we do know about evolved from earlier
life forms which had less complex DNA -- and DNA itself evolved.
The earliest life was probably RNA-based, not DNA-based. We've
already seen that RNA can be the blueprint for proteins without
needing DNA.
Too bad we
don't have those life forms -- or pre-life forms to put under a microscope
in the classrooms and show the kids "Evolution Happens".
We can't show them that abiogenesis happens - we CAN show them that
evolution happens. We can even show them that speciation happens.
for goodness sake,
who can really take these people seriously -- are we creeping backward to
the dark ages
With a fundy born-again president? Yes.
--
"Properly read, the Bible is the most potent force for atheism ever conceived."
- Isaac Asimov
(random sig, produced by SigChanger)
rukbat at verizon dot net
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20 Jan 2005 10:27:14 AM |
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In article <oo4uu0ljrbvog7unkv9949p6v5874vd149@4ax.com> Al Klein <rukbat@pern.invalid> writes:
On Wed, 19 Jan 2005 17:59:32 -0500, "Sharon"
<mail-@-creation-vs-evolution.us> said in alt.atheism:
I'm confused too how they can get away with saying "It's too complex to be
explained." Attitudes just like that is what kept science moving forward for
centuries. DNA seems complex to us -- big deal. It's not proof of God. The
atom (a theory) was pretty complex at one time too -- and even the concept
of a vast universe, that too was hard for them to swallow. But they accepted
it as matter of fact in due time. Too bad we don't have the fossils of the
life forms that existed beyond 3.8 billion years ago, (or sample living
fossils)
We sort of do - cyanobacteria still exist.
Even better, we have the archaea!
-- cary
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| User: "johac" |
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21 Jan 2005 01:02:16 AM |
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In article <oo4uu0ljrbvog7unkv9949p6v5874vd149@4ax.com>,
Al Klein <rukbat@pern.invalid> wrote:
On Wed, 19 Jan 2005 17:59:32 -0500, "Sharon"
<mail-@-creation-vs-evolution.us> said in alt.atheism:
I'm confused too how they can get away with saying "It's too complex to be
explained." Attitudes just like that is what kept science moving forward for
centuries. DNA seems complex to us -- big deal. It's not proof of God. The
atom (a theory) was pretty complex at one time too -- and even the concept
of a vast universe, that too was hard for them to swallow. But they accepted
it as matter of fact in due time. Too bad we don't have the fossils of the
life forms that existed beyond 3.8 billion years ago, (or sample living
fossils)
We sort of do - cyanobacteria still exist.
or it just might answer their questions about the origins of life.
Perhaps the single celled organisms we do know about evolved from earlier
life forms which had less complex DNA -- and DNA itself evolved.
The earliest life was probably RNA-based, not DNA-based. We've
already seen that RNA can be the blueprint for proteins without
needing DNA.
Some think that before RNA, there were nucleic acids (TNA) based on a
simpler sugar molecule, threose:
http://nai.arc.nasa.gov/news_stories/news_print.cfm?ID=189
Also nucleic acids with a peptide backbone (PNA) are a possibility.
Too bad we
don't have those life forms -- or pre-life forms to put under a microscope
in the classrooms and show the kids "Evolution Happens".
We can't show them that abiogenesis happens - we CAN show them that
evolution happens. We can even show them that speciation happens.
I think that we can say that since life forms exist, we can say
abiogenesis (origin of life, transition from non-life to life) happened,
but we can't say yet how it happened.
for goodness sake,
who can really take these people seriously -- are we creeping backward to
the dark ages
With a fundy born-again president? Yes.
It's going to be a long four years.
--
John Hachmann aa #1782
Intelligent Design has as much to do with science as reality
television has to do with reality. - Barry Lynn on CNN 12/25/04
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| User: "Al Klein" |
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21 Jan 2005 03:20:26 PM |
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On Thu, 20 Jan 2005 23:02:16 -0800, johac <jhachm@ixpres.com> said in
alt.atheism:
In article <oo4uu0ljrbvog7unkv9949p6v5874vd149@4ax.com>,
Al Klein <rukbat@pern.invalid> wrote:
The earliest life was probably RNA-based, not DNA-based. We've
already seen that RNA can be the blueprint for proteins without
needing DNA.
Some think that before RNA, there were nucleic acids (TNA) based on a
simpler sugar molecule, threose:
I haven't been keeping up.
I think that we can say that since life forms exist, we can say
abiogenesis (origin of life, transition from non-life to life) happened,
but we can't say yet how it happened.
And may never be able to say exactly how it happened on this planet.
If there's more than one possible path that could have led to current
life, either one may be *the* path that life actually took.
With a fundy born-again president? Yes.
It's going to be a long four years.
I think it's going to be longer than that, unfortunately.
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There are three kinds of men:
The ones that learn by reading. The few who learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence.
- (Will Rogers)
(random sig, produced by SigChanger)
rukbat at verizon dot net
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| User: "johac" |
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22 Jan 2005 01:23:51 AM |
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In article <74s2v0tj3t9ofn7m1pqqtpbaaq3vr5djmt@4ax.com>,
Al Klein <rukbat@pern.invalid> wrote:
On Thu, 20 Jan 2005 23:02:16 -0800, johac <jhachm@ixpres.com> said in
alt.atheism:
In article <oo4uu0ljrbvog7unkv9949p6v5874vd149@4ax.com>,
Al Klein <rukbat@pern.invalid> wrote:
The earliest life was probably RNA-based, not DNA-based. We've
already seen that RNA can be the blueprint for proteins without
needing DNA.
Some think that before RNA, there were nucleic acids (TNA) based on a
simpler sugar molecule, threose:
I haven't been keeping up.
I think that we can say that since life forms exist, we can say
abiogenesis (origin of life, transition from non-life to life) happened,
but we can't say yet how it happened.
And may never be able to say exactly how it happened on this planet.
If there's more than one possible path that could have led to current
life, either one may be *the* path that life actually took.
True and even if someone were to synthesize a primitive living organism
in the lab, we would have no way of knowing if it even vaguely resembled
the first life on Earth.
With a fundy born-again president? Yes.
It's going to be a long four years.
I think it's going to be longer than that, unfortunately.
It will certainly seem that way.
--
John Hachmann aa #1782
Intelligent Design has as much to do with science as reality
television has to do with reality. - Barry Lynn on CNN 12/25/04
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| User: "Bill" |
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18 Jan 2005 07:14:13 PM |
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Evolution theory is supported by reams of objective archaeological evidence
and an overwhelming share of the scientific community.
Intelligent design is a religious theory that the Universe was created by a
creator and the theory is based on pure faith and no objective data. The
Bible is awash with unsupported stories, allegories and myths. It is not
objective evidence or proof of any Gods existence much less of how the
Universe was created. The Bible stories are contradicted by reams of
objective scientific evidence.
The problem here is that this school board wants to impose and teach their
religious beliefs as science in a public school.
This violates the Constitutional separation of church and State.
These people have the legal right to teach creationism and all aspects of
their Bible in their church or private schools but they do not have the
right to impose their beliefs on everyone else.
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Bill
"Sharon" <mail-@-creation-vs-evolution.us> wrote in message
news:1106093106.d01f1e81f1d85d9534f4450f6b761324@teranews...
They had a fair size News story on Intelligent Design in the school in
Pennsylvania.
http://abcnews.go.com/Nightline/Science/story?id=415444&page=1
It's on the abcnews.com home page.
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| User: "Gregory Gadow" |
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19 Jan 2005 08:13:25 AM |
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Bill wrote:
Evolution theory is supported by reams of objective archaeological evidence
and an overwhelming share of the scientific community.
There is a convergence of evidence drawn from just about every field of
scientific inquiry, including geology, chemistry, physics, botany, zoology,
biology, genetics, even meteorology, not just archaeology. The one and only
thing the ID people have to say is, "It's too complex to have just...
happened!"
--
Gregory Gadow
techbear@serv.net
http://www.serv.net/~techbear
"The President is merely the most important among a large number
of public servants. He should be supported or opposed exactly to
the degree which is warranted by his good conduct or bad conduct,
his efficiency or inefficiency in rendering loyal, able, and
disinterested service to the Nation as a whole. Therefore it is
absolutely necessary that there should be full liberty to tell
the truth about his acts, and this means that it is exactly
necessary to blame him when he does wrong as to praise him when
he does right. Any other attitude in an American citizen is both
base and servile. To announce that there must be no criticism of
the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or
wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable
to the American public. Nothing but the truth should be spoken about
him or any one else. But it is even more important to tell the truth,
pleasant or unpleasant, about him than about any one else."
President Theodore Roosevelt, editorial to the Kansas City Star
May 7, 1918
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| User: "Lisbeth Andersson" |
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20 Jan 2005 11:50:39 AM |
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"Gregory Gadow" <techbear@serv.net> skrev i meddelandet
news:41EE6B05.B8F57C0B@serv.net...
Bill wrote:
Evolution theory is supported by reams of objective archaeological
evidence
and an overwhelming share of the scientific community.
There is a convergence of evidence drawn from just about every field of
scientific inquiry, including geology, chemistry, physics, botany,
zoology,
biology, genetics, even meteorology, not just archaeology. The one and
only
How does meteorologoy support evolution?
thing the ID people have to say is, "It's too complex to have just...
happened!"
Well, about that weather ......
Lisbeth.
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The day I don't learn anything new is the day I die.
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| User: "Steve Branston" |
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19 Jan 2005 02:05:49 PM |
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"Gregory Gadow" <techbear@serv.net> wrote in message
news:41EE6B05.B8F57C0B@serv.net...
Bill wrote:
Evolution theory is supported by reams of objective archaeological
evidence
and an overwhelming share of the scientific community.
There is a convergence of evidence drawn from just about every field of
scientific inquiry, including geology, chemistry, physics, botany,
zoology,
biology, genetics, even meteorology, not just archaeology. The one and
only
thing the ID people have to say is, "It's too complex to have just...
happened!"
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Its the only thing they have to say and its also the thing that destroys
them. If we are too complex to have just happened then our so called
"Intelligent Designer" must have been too complex than to just have
happened, and his "Intelligent Designer" must have been too complex than to
just have happened and so on....
If they don't accept this then they must admit they are talking about god,
or some other supernatural entity - and thats their "scientific theory"
broken.
Not that it was ever fixed in the first place.
Pricks.
Tata!
Steve
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| User: "Barry OGrady" |
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18 Jan 2005 08:03:21 PM |
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I don't think ABC would have news unless people watched it.
-Barry
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"I see only with deep regret that God punishes so many of His children for
their numerous stupidities, for which only He Himself can be held responsible;
in my opinion, only His nonexistence could excuse Him."
[A. Einstein (Letter to Edgar Meyer, Jan. 2, 1915)]
Web page: http://members.iinet.net.au/~barry.og
Atheist, radio scanner, LIPD information.
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| User: "Dale" |
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18 Jan 2005 10:33:29 PM |
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"Barry OGrady" <god_freee_jones@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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I don't think ABC would have news unless people watched it.
LOL!
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| User: "Jeffrey Turner" |
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19 Jan 2005 05:20:55 AM |
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Barry OGrady wrote:
I don't think ABC would have news unless people watched it.
News? Generally they have propaganda and advertising, if you
uncover any news at this time it's probably an accident.
--Jeff
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It is only those who have neither
fired a shot nor heard the shrieks
and groans of the wounded who cry
aloud for blood, more vengeance, more
desolation. War is hell.
--William Tecumseh Sherman
In war, there are no unwounded soldiers.
--Jose Narosky
The urge to save humanity is almost
always a false front for the urge to
rule.
--H.L. Mencken
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| User: "" |
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18 Jan 2005 08:14:04 PM |
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Sharon wrote:
They had a fair size News story on Intelligent Design in the school
in
Pennsylvania.
http://abcnews.go.com/Nightline/Science/story?id=415444&page=1
It's on the abcnews.com home page.
After reading the story, I have to wonder why a science teacher would
even consider working in the Dover School district.
HB
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| User: "Dale" |
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18 Jan 2005 10:34:03 PM |
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<hbarwood@troyst.edu> wrote in message
news:1106100844.753506.69320@c13g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
Sharon wrote:
They had a fair size News story on Intelligent Design in the school
in
Pennsylvania.
http://abcnews.go.com/Nightline/Science/story?id=415444&page=1
It's on the abcnews.com home page.
After reading the story, I have to wonder why a science teacher would
even consider working in the Dover School district.
Someone's got to bring civilization to the natives.
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| User: "Sharon" |
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19 Jan 2005 04:38:04 PM |
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<hbarwood@troyst.edu> wrote in message
news:1106100844.753506.69320@c13g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
Sharon wrote:
They had a fair size News story on Intelligent Design in the school
in
Pennsylvania.
http://abcnews.go.com/Nightline/Science/story?id=415444&page=1
It's on the abcnews.com home page.
After reading the story, I have to wonder why a science teacher would
even consider working in the Dover School district.
HB
How could anyone possibly take "Intelligent Design" seriously enough to
teach in a school room? They do not have any proof of this "designer" --
it's a hypothesis, which is not even a theory, as in Darwin's case.
Darwin's theory was built on empirical scientific evidence.
Intelligent Design hypothesis is built on faith.
They have no proof of how the designer "designed" DNA.
[If they had some hard evidence for their hypothesis enough to make it a
working theory, well, now, that would be worth discussing in the
classrooms.]
So, until they do have a theory that's demonstratable and repeatable, it
just doesn't belong in the schools. Are people crazy? What they're wanting
to do, is get things like they were when prayer was forced on kids in the
schools. There's a separation between church and state.
I just don't understand how a hypothesis built on "faith" could make it into
a public school cirriculum or be taken seriously enough for people to even
debate about it. I'm confused on that point. They have no evidence
whatsoever. Darwin had fossils and qualified to propose such a theory.
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| User: "Al Klein" |
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19 Jan 2005 08:09:42 PM |
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On Wed, 19 Jan 2005 17:38:04 -0500, "Sharon"
<mail-@-creation-vs-evolution.us> said in alt.atheism:
Darwin's theory was built on empirical scientific evidence.
Intelligent Design hypothesis is built on faith.
Sharon, an hypothesis is a first-cut idea based on observations. In
science it must be testable. ID is an assertion based on the
Christian bible, nothing more.
I just don't understand how a hypothesis built on "faith" could make it into
a public school cirriculum or be taken seriously enough for people to even
debate about it. I'm confused on that point.
When the inmates run the asylum, schizophrenia is considered mental
health.
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"He who joyfully marches to music in rank and file has already earned my
contempt. He has been given a large brain by mistake, since for him, the
spinal cord would fully suffice."
- Albert Einstein
(random sig, produced by SigChanger)
rukbat at verizon dot net
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| User: "Greg G." |
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19 Jan 2005 03:36:17 AM |
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Sharon wrote:
They had a fair size News story on Intelligent Design in the school
in
Pennsylvania.
http://abcnews.go.com/Nightline/Science/story?id=415444&page=1
It's on the abcnews.com home page.
I turned on the TV while having breakfast and the story was running. I
came in where the guy was saying that the intelligent designer could
have been God or a space alien, so you are either teaching out of the
National Enquirer or you are teaching religion.
--
Greg G.
My theory of evolution is that Darwin was adopted. --Steven Wright
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