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"james g. keegan jr." |
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12 Jan 2004 04:00:33 PM |
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did archbishop burke break the law? |
when archbishop raymond l. burke formally notified catholic lawmakers in the
la crosse diocese that they cannot receive communion if they continue to
support procured abortion or euthanasia, was he registered as a legislative
agent with the proper government officials?
this information is public and should be readily available, if he was, in
fact registered, just as the drug and automotive lobbyists must register.
if we was not registered, his letter which is a matter of public record,
should result in a pretty hefty fine, which would be nice to collect before
the tax man comes calling with the notice that the rcc is no longer tax
exempt.
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| User: "Christopher Robin" |
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| Title: Re: did archbishop burke break the law? |
12 Jan 2004 08:11:15 PM |
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"james g. keegan jr." <keegan@nycap.rr.com> wrote in message
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when archbishop raymond l. burke formally notified catholic lawmakers in
the
la crosse diocese that they cannot receive communion if they continue to
support procured abortion or euthanasia, was he registered as a
legislative
agent with the proper government officials?
He's not a legislative agent.
this information is public and should be readily available, if he was, in
fact registered, just as the drug and automotive lobbyists must register.
But he doesn't need to be.
if we was not registered, his letter which is a matter of public record,
should result in a pretty hefty fine, which would be nice to collect
before
the tax man comes calling with the notice that the rcc is no longer tax
exempt.
For what? Reminding Catholics of their moral beliefs?
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| User: "james g. keegan jr." |
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| Title: Re: did archbishop burke break the law? |
12 Jan 2004 09:10:27 PM |
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"Christopher Robin" <anonyngaddr@hotmail.com> wrote in news:7tIMb.27249
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"james g. keegan jr." <keegan@nycap.rr.com> wrote in message
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when archbishop raymond l. burke formally notified catholic lawmakers
in the la crosse diocese that they cannot receive communion if they
continue to support procured abortion or euthanasia, was he registered
as a legislative agent with the proper government officials?
He's not a legislative agent.
that's my guess too, although he acted as one
this information is public and should be readily available, if he was, in
fact registered, just as the drug and automotive lobbyists must register.
But he doesn't need to be.
actually, he does.
if we was not registered, his letter which is a matter of public
record, should result in a pretty hefty fine, which would be nice to
collect before the tax man comes calling with the notice that the rcc
is no longer tax exempt.
For what? Reminding Catholics of their moral beliefs?
for conducting business just like any otehr tax-paying business.
actually, i see they're already kicking him out of wisconsin.
somebody probably already apologized for him and the church hopes it'll go
away, not unlike they hoped so many little boys would go away.
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| User: "JamesL" |
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| Title: Re: did archbishop burke break the law? |
12 Jan 2004 04:34:02 PM |
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"james g. keegan jr." <keegan@nycap.rr.com> wrote in message
news:Xns946EAD0278CE6keegannycaprrcom@24.24.2.166...
when archbishop raymond l. burke formally notified catholic lawmakers in
the
la crosse diocese that they cannot receive communion if they continue to
support procured abortion or euthanasia, was he registered as a
legislative
agent with the proper government officials?
this information is public and should be readily available, if he was, in
fact registered, just as the drug and automotive lobbyists must register.
if we was not registered, his letter which is a matter of public record,
should result in a pretty hefty fine, which would be nice to collect
before
the tax man comes calling with the notice that the rcc is no longer tax
exempt.
HAHHHAHHA - this was a funny but lame attempt! The bishop did not lobby
anyone, he informed them that they may not participate in a Catholic Church
activity based on their public actions. There is nothing illegal about
telling a politician that they are not welcome in your private organization
any more.
James L.
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| User: "james g. keegan jr." |
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| Title: Re: did archbishop burke break the law? |
12 Jan 2004 04:40:23 PM |
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"JamesL" <forgeddaboudit@spamblock.duh> wrote in news:uhFMb.6059$1e.843
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"james g. keegan jr." <keegan@nycap.rr.com> wrote in message
news:Xns946EAD0278CE6keegannycaprrcom@24.24.2.166...
when archbishop raymond l. burke formally notified catholic lawmakers
in the la crosse diocese that they cannot receive communion if they
continue to support procured abortion or euthanasia, was he registered
as a legislative agent with the proper government officials?
this information is public and should be readily available, if he was, in
fact registered, just as the drug and automotive lobbyists must register.
if we was not registered, his letter which is a matter of public
record, should result in a pretty hefty fine, which would be nice to
collect before the tax man comes calling with the notice that the rcc
is no longer tax exempt.
HAHHHAHHA - this was a funny but lame attempt! The bishop did not lobby
anyone, he informed them that they may not participate in a Catholic Church
activity based on their public actions.
exactly. he tried to coerce elected officials while speaking for the church.
There is nothing illegal about
telling a politician that they are not welcome in your private organization
any more.
i believe you are mistaken.
i suspect teh church does too which is why they have muzzeled him and are
shipping him off to st. louis.
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| User: "billu" |
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| Title: Re: did archbishop burke break the law? |
13 Jan 2004 05:50:38 PM |
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"james g. keegan jr." <keegan@nycap.rr.com> wrote in message
news:Xns946EAD0278CE6keegannycaprrcom@24.24.2.166...
when archbishop raymond l. burke formally notified catholic lawmakers in
the
la crosse diocese that they cannot receive communion if they continue to
support procured abortion or euthanasia, was he registered as a
legislative
agent with the proper government officials?
this information is public and should be readily available, if he was, in
fact registered, just as the drug and automotive lobbyists must register.
if we was not registered, his letter which is a matter of public record,
should result in a pretty hefty fine, which would be nice to collect
before
the tax man comes calling with the notice that the rcc is no longer tax
exempt.
Some people obviously do not know 401c laws. 401c organizations can
lobby to a certain extent. This was just one letter far under the legal
threshold
and can easily be considered a moral teching within the pervue of the
Church.
Don't like it? Two options change the laws or choke on it.
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| User: "james g. keegan jr." |
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| Title: Re: did archbishop burke break the law? |
13 Jan 2004 06:18:05 PM |
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"billu" <billu@*nospam*hotmail.com> wrote in
news:ef5703d6ea393399cdc1928579dd9dcc@news.teranews.com:
Some people obviously do not know 401c laws. 401c organizations can
lobby to a certain extent. This was just one letter far under the legal
threshold and can easily be considered a moral teching within the pervue
of the Church. Don't like it? Two options change the laws or choke on
it.
i think the rcc will try to take the position you mention, but their
attorneys were sufficiently sensitive to have already reassigned the
archbishop.
getting the villan out of town is a long-standing church tradition.
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| User: "JamesL" |
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| Title: Re: did archbishop burke break the law? |
14 Jan 2004 07:52:50 AM |
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"james g. keegan jr." <keegan@nycap.rr.com> wrote in message
news:Xns946FC453CFE8Ckeegannycaprrcom@24.24.2.167...
"billu" <billu@*nospam*hotmail.com> wrote in
news:ef5703d6ea393399cdc1928579dd9dcc@news.teranews.com:
Some people obviously do not know 401c laws. 401c organizations can
lobby to a certain extent. This was just one letter far under the legal
threshold and can easily be considered a moral teching within the pervue
of the Church. Don't like it? Two options change the laws or choke on
it.
i think the rcc will try to take the position you mention, but their
attorneys were sufficiently sensitive to have already reassigned the
archbishop.
The Bishop was already appointed to Archibishop of St. Louis before he
issued the letter. No Correlation. And there has been no mentions of
attorneys involved at all, you made that up.
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| User: "james g. keegan jr." |
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| Title: Re: did archbishop burke break the law? |
14 Jan 2004 02:34:43 PM |
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"JamesL" <forgeddaboudit@spamblock.duh> wrote in news:SQbNb.9000$zj7.8515
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"james g. keegan jr." <keegan@nycap.rr.com> wrote in message
news:Xns946FC453CFE8Ckeegannycaprrcom@24.24.2.167...
"billu" <billu@*nospam*hotmail.com> wrote in
news:ef5703d6ea393399cdc1928579dd9dcc@news.teranews.com:
Some people obviously do not know 401c laws. 401c organizations can
lobby to a certain extent. This was just one letter far under the legal
threshold and can easily be considered a moral teching within the pervue
of the Church. Don't like it? Two options change the laws or choke on
it.
i think the rcc will try to take the position you mention, but their
attorneys were sufficiently sensitive to have already reassigned the
archbishop.
The Bishop was already appointed to Archibishop of St. Louis before he
issued the letter.
you statement is inaccurate.
he as named to anotehr position before the letter was published. you don;t
know when it was written, nor do you know the church's motivation for kicking
him out of town.
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| User: "JamesL" |
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| Title: Re: did archbishop burke break the law? |
14 Jan 2004 04:16:29 PM |
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"james g. keegan jr." <keegan@nycap.rr.com> wrote in message
news:Xns94709E79553C2keegannycaprrcom@24.24.2.166...
"JamesL" <forgeddaboudit@spamblock.duh> wrote in news:SQbNb.9000$zj7.8515
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"james g. keegan jr." <keegan@nycap.rr.com> wrote in message
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"billu" <billu@*nospam*hotmail.com> wrote in
news:ef5703d6ea393399cdc1928579dd9dcc@news.teranews.com:
Some people obviously do not know 401c laws. 401c organizations can
lobby to a certain extent. This was just one letter far under the
legal
threshold and can easily be considered a moral teching within the
pervue
of the Church. Don't like it? Two options change the laws or choke
on
it.
i think the rcc will try to take the position you mention, but their
attorneys were sufficiently sensitive to have already reassigned the
archbishop.
The Bishop was already appointed to Archibishop of St. Louis before he
issued the letter.
you statement is inaccurate.
he as named to anotehr position before the letter was published. you don;t
know when it was written, nor do you know the church's motivation for
kicking
him out of town.
The letter was written (completed) on November 23, 2003. After he was
appointed to St. Louis. The church's motivation for "kicking him out of
town" as you put it, was that St. Louis needed a new ArchBishop and he was
the best man for the job.
James L.
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| User: "james g. keegan jr." |
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| Title: Re: did archbishop burke break the law? |
14 Jan 2004 04:32:12 PM |
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"JamesL" <forgeddaboudit@spamblock.duh> wrote in news:1djNb.8918$1e.1963
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The letter was written (completed) on November 23, 2003.
your statement is factually incorrect.
do you wish to correct it?
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| User: "Joseph Geloso" |
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| Title: Re: did archbishop burke break the law? |
15 Jan 2004 12:39:42 PM |
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On Tue, 13 Jan 2004 23:50:38 GMT, "billu" <billu@*nospam*hotmail.com>
wrote:
"james g. keegan jr." <keegan@nycap.rr.com> wrote in message
news:Xns946EAD0278CE6keegannycaprrcom@24.24.2.166...
when archbishop raymond l. burke formally notified catholic lawmakers in
the
la crosse diocese that they cannot receive communion if they continue to
support procured abortion or euthanasia, was he registered as a
legislative
agent with the proper government officials?
this information is public and should be readily available, if he was, in
fact registered, just as the drug and automotive lobbyists must register.
if we was not registered, his letter which is a matter of public record,
should result in a pretty hefty fine, which would be nice to collect
before
the tax man comes calling with the notice that the rcc is no longer tax
exempt.
Some people obviously do not know 401c laws. 401c organizations can
lobby to a certain extent. This was just one letter far under the legal
threshold
and can easily be considered a moral teching within the pervue of the
Church.
Don't like it? Two options change the laws or choke on it.
Actually, the option of changing the laws to make what the good bishop
did a crime does not exist in the United States of America, thanks to
the First Amendment. This is what the First Amendment really means,
and what it is really for. For all the crying about "separation of
Church and State," the reality is that the First Amendment
specifically protects actions like that taken by Bishop Burke. It
falls under the category of the free exercise of religion. In the
Roman Catholic religion, the Bishop has the authority to carry out the
sentence of excommunication upon anyone who knowingly participates in
an abortion. And legislating to keep abortions legal is knowingly
participating in all those abortion that are then legally carried out.
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| User: "billu" |
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12 Jan 2004 07:06:02 PM |
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"james g. keegan jr." <keegan@nycap.rr.com> wrote in message
news:Xns946EAD0278CE6keegannycaprrcom@24.24.2.166...
when archbishop raymond l. burke formally notified catholic lawmakers in
the
la crosse diocese that they cannot receive communion if they continue to
support procured abortion or euthanasia, was he registered as a
legislative
agent with the proper government officials?
this information is public and should be readily available, if he was, in
fact registered, just as the drug and automotive lobbyists must register.
if we was not registered, his letter which is a matter of public record,
should result in a pretty hefty fine, which would be nice to collect
before
the tax man comes calling with the notice that the rcc is no longer tax
exempt.
you need to have more than a passing acquaintence with the law
before you decide to spout nonsence.
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| User: "james g. keegan jr." |
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12 Jan 2004 07:19:17 PM |
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"billu" <billu@*nospam*hotmail.com> wrote in
news:317343ed908cf962fdb22853924fc385@news.teranews.com:
"james g. keegan jr." <keegan@nycap.rr.com> wrote in message
news:Xns946EAD0278CE6keegannycaprrcom@24.24.2.166...
when archbishop raymond l. burke formally notified catholic lawmakers
in the la crosse diocese that they cannot receive communion if they
continue to support procured abortion or euthanasia, was he registered
as a legislative agent with the proper government officials?
this information is public and should be readily available, if he was, in
fact registered, just as the drug and automotive lobbyists must register.
if we was not registered, his letter which is a matter of public
record, should result in a pretty hefty fine, which would be nice to
collect before the tax man comes calling with the notice that the rcc
is no longer tax exempt.
you need to have more than a passing acquaintence with the law
before you decide to spout nonsence.
wow. talk about demonstrating being hoisted by his own petard.
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| User: "Spartakus" |
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13 Jan 2004 12:54:43 PM |
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"james g. keegan jr." <keegan@nycap.rr.com> wrote...
when archbishop raymond l. burke formally notified catholic lawmakers in
the la crosse diocese that they cannot receive communion if they continue
to support procured abortion or euthanasia, was he registered as a
legislative agent with the proper government officials?
this information is public and should be readily available, if he was, in
fact registered, just as the drug and automotive lobbyists must register.
if we was not registered, his letter which is a matter of public record,
should result in a pretty hefty fine, which would be nice to collect before
the tax man comes calling with the notice that the rcc is no longer tax
exempt.
That is an interesting conundrum. Nothing will happen, of course -
the IRS tends to give the RCC a lot of slack on stuff like this.
I believe that abortion is the *only* "sin" that results in automatic
excommunication from the RCC. It's worse than murder, rape,
torture... none of
which incur excommunication.
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| User: "james g. keegan jr." |
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13 Jan 2004 02:43:45 PM |
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(Spartakus) wrote in
news:6ed74dfa.0401131054.7d731c2f@posting.google.com:
"james g. keegan jr." <keegan@nycap.rr.com> wrote...
when archbishop raymond l. burke formally notified catholic lawmakers
in the la crosse diocese that they cannot receive communion if they
continue to support procured abortion or euthanasia, was he registered
as a legislative agent with the proper government officials?
this information is public and should be readily available, if he was,
in fact registered, just as the drug and automotive lobbyists must
register.
if we was not registered, his letter which is a matter of public
record, should result in a pretty hefty fine, which would be nice to
collect before the tax man comes calling with the notice that the rcc
is no longer tax exempt.
That is an interesting conundrum. Nothing will happen, of course -
the IRS tends to give the RCC a lot of slack on stuff like this.
actually, something might happen if government felt it had to create the
illusion of even-handedness.
in fact, the rcc has been one of the world's most effective lobbying
organizations.
i am curious what would happen in a number of other lobbying groups
complained about all the years of favoritisism the rdd has received.
I believe that abortion is the *only* "sin" that results in automatic
excommunication from the RCC. It's worse than murder, rape,
torture... none of which incur excommunication.
sure, because it never happens in the case of the wealthy or politically
powerful. they all seem to fall under the double-effect principal where the
fetus is mysteriously killed during a procedure to save the mother.
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| User: "Mens sana" |
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| Title: Re: did archbishop burke break the law? |
14 Jan 2004 07:20:40 AM |
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"james g. keegan jr." <keegan@nycap.rr.com> wrote in message
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spartakus@my-deja.com (Spartakus) wrote in
news:6ed74dfa.0401131054.7d731c2f@posting.google.com:
"james g. keegan jr." <keegan@nycap.rr.com> wrote...
when archbishop raymond l. burke formally notified catholic lawmakers
in the la crosse diocese that they cannot receive communion if they
continue to support procured abortion or euthanasia, was he registered
as a legislative agent with the proper government officials?
this information is public and should be readily available, if he was,
in fact registered, just as the drug and automotive lobbyists must
register.
if we was not registered, his letter which is a matter of public
record, should result in a pretty hefty fine, which would be nice to
collect before the tax man comes calling with the notice that the rcc
is no longer tax exempt.
That is an interesting conundrum. Nothing will happen, of course -
the IRS tends to give the RCC a lot of slack on stuff like this.
actually, something might happen if government felt it had to create the
illusion of even-handedness.
in fact, the rcc has been one of the world's most effective lobbying
organizations.
i am curious what would happen in a number of other lobbying groups
complained about all the years of favoritisism the rdd has received.
I believe that abortion is the *only* "sin" that results in automatic
excommunication from the RCC. It's worse than murder, rape,
torture... none of which incur excommunication.
sure, because it never happens in the case of the wealthy or politically
powerful. they all seem to fall under the double-effect principal where
the
fetus is mysteriously killed during a procedure to save the mother.
No. He was just telling members of his club what the rules are. In any
event, the politicians will ignore the Bishop and the Bishop won't do a
thing about it.
MS
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| User: "Cunneen" |
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12 Jan 2004 11:24:33 PM |
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when archbishop raymond l. burke formally notified catholic lawmakers in the
la crosse diocese that they cannot receive communion if they continue to
support procured abortion or euthanasia, was he registered as a legislative
agent with the proper government officials?
No, he was acting as their bishop warning them about the dangers to their soul.
Advocating sin publicly is giving scandal, and that's a serious sin.
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| User: "james g. keegan jr." |
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13 Jan 2004 07:15:55 AM |
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(Cunneen) wrote in
news:20040113002433.01560.00001614@mb-m20.aol.com:
when archbishop raymond l. burke formally notified catholic lawmakers in
the la crosse diocese that they cannot receive communion if they
continue to support procured abortion or euthanasia, was he registered
as a legislative agent with the proper government officials?
No, he was acting as their bishop warning them about the dangers to
their soul.
Advocating sin publicly is giving scandal, and that's a serious sin.
that might be one of his defenses. but his leaders have already spirited him
away in the hope that his illegal behavior will pass unnoticed.
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