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"Elroy Willis" |
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29 Jun 2005 11:26:10 AM |
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Did Bush Say "Axe" instead of "Ask?" |
In one part of Bush's speech last night, I'm pretty sure he said "axe"
instead of "ask," but I could be mistaken, since I didn't record it
and can't go back and check.
I dunno why I hate hearing people say "axe" instead of "ask" but it
annoys me bigtime. A lot more than hearing Bush say "nuculer" instead
of "nuclear," but along the same line...
Anybody else hate hearing people say "axe" instead of "ask?"
I don't quite know why it annoys me so much, but it does...
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Elroy Willis
www.elroysemporium.com
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30 Jun 2005 12:29:56 PM |
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"Elroy Willis" <elroywillis@swbell.net> wrote in message
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In one part of Bush's speech last night, I'm pretty sure he said "axe"
instead of "ask," but I could be mistaken, since I didn't record it
and can't go back and check.
I dunno why I hate hearing people say "axe" instead of "ask" but it
annoys me bigtime. A lot more than hearing Bush say "nuculer" instead
of "nuclear," but along the same line...
Anybody else hate hearing people say "axe" instead of "ask?"
Yup.
I don't quite know why it annoys me so much, but it does...
Both "aks" and "nucular" are examples of metathesis.
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30 Jun 2005 02:22:12 PM |
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Peacenik <cnelsonpublic@hotmail.com> wrote in alt.atheism
Elroy Willis <elroywillis@swbell.net> wrote in message
In one part of Bush's speech last night, I'm pretty sure he said "axe"
instead of "ask," but I could be mistaken, since I didn't record it
and can't go back and check.
I dunno why I hate hearing people say "axe" instead of "ask" but it
annoys me bigtime. A lot more than hearing Bush say "nuculer" instead
of "nuclear," but along the same line...
Anybody else hate hearing people say "axe" instead of "ask?"
Yup.
I don't quite know why it annoys me so much, but it does...
Both "aks" and "nucular" are examples of metathesis.
Is that how the "aks" thing started? Dislexia? Someone reversed the
k and s?
--
Elroy Willis
www.elroysemporium.com
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| User: "Iain" |
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30 Jun 2005 09:04:00 PM |
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Elroy Willis wrote:
Peacenik <cnelsonpublic@hotmail.com> wrote in alt.atheism
Elroy Willis <elroywillis@swbell.net> wrote in message
In one part of Bush's speech last night, I'm pretty sure he said "axe"
instead of "ask," but I could be mistaken, since I didn't record it
and can't go back and check.
I dunno why I hate hearing people say "axe" instead of "ask" but it
annoys me bigtime. A lot more than hearing Bush say "nuculer" instead
of "nuclear," but along the same line...
Anybody else hate hearing people say "axe" instead of "ask?"
Yup.
I don't quite know why it annoys me so much, but it does...
Both "aks" and "nucular" are examples of metathesis.
Is that how the "aks" thing started? Dislexia? Someone reversed the
k and s?
Elroy,
Texans say it that way because many take their pronunciations from the
North of England and Southern Scotland.
In Old English, "learn" means "teach", and "Ax" means "ask". Linguistic
evolution is slower in that part of the island. You can see the
correlation in the Southern U.S.A.
The long form, "Axige", (Axe-EE-gay), is easily mispronounced, and gave
rise to the modern form of "ask".
~Iain
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| User: "Elroy Willis" |
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30 Jun 2005 09:58:05 PM |
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Iain <iain_inkster@hotmail.com> wrote in alt.atheism
Elroy Willis wrote:
Peacenik <cnelsonpublic@hotmail.com> wrote in alt.atheism
Both "aks" and "nucular" are examples of metathesis.
Is that how the "aks" thing started? Dislexia? Someone reversed the
k and s?
Elroy,
Texans say it that way because many take their pronunciations from the
North of England and Southern Scotland.
I happen to live in Texas right now, and hardly any of the people I
know pronounce it wrong. It's a very small minority, imo.
In Old English, "learn" means "teach", and "Ax" means "ask". Linguistic
evolution is slower in that part of the island. You can see the
correlation in the Southern U.S.A.
The long form, "Axige", (Axe-EE-gay), is easily mispronounced, and gave
rise to the modern form of "ask".
I'm pretty sure the people who pronounce it wrong are doing it on
purpose, for some reason... They know very well how it's supposed to
be pronounced, but they refuse to conform to the standard way of
pronouncing it, just to be different!
--
Elroy Willis
www.elroysemporium.com
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| User: "Iain" |
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01 Jul 2005 10:27:30 AM |
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Elroy Willis wrote:
Iain <iain_inkster@hotmail.com> wrote in alt.atheism
Elroy Willis wrote:
Peacenik <cnelsonpublic@hotmail.com> wrote in alt.atheism
Both "aks" and "nucular" are examples of metathesis.
Is that how the "aks" thing started? Dislexia? Someone reversed the
k and s?
Elroy,
Texans say it that way because many take their pronunciations from the
North of England and Southern Scotland.
I happen to live in Texas right now, and hardly any of the people I
know pronounce it wrong. It's a very small minority, imo.
It's a small minority even in Newcastle -- but that is to be expected
because all Texans and Geordies are bombarded with Standard English via
their curricula, etc.
That doesn't mean the roots of the stange pronunciation are not
natural.
It could be that it is a whimsical invention. Americans have a knack
for that -- They invented "Okay".
In Old English, "learn" means "teach", and "Ax" means "ask". Linguistic
evolution is slower in that part of the island. You can see the
correlation in the Southern U.S.A.
The long form, "Axige", (Axe-EE-gay), is easily mispronounced, and gave
rise to the modern form of "ask".
I'm pretty sure the people who pronounce it wrong are doing it on
purpose, for some reason...
It's like some British people saying "Perfik" just because it's camp.
~Iain
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30 Jun 2005 04:05:04 AM |
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"Elroy Willis" <elroywillis@swbell.net> wrote in message
news:qi05c1pq07f0qobiu3g5nrp8954e13u5ls@4ax.com...
In one part of Bush's speech last night, I'm pretty sure he said "axe"
instead of "ask," but I could be mistaken, since I didn't record it
and can't go back and check.
I dunno why I hate hearing people say "axe" instead of "ask" but it
annoys me bigtime. A lot more than hearing Bush say "nuculer" instead
of "nuclear," but along the same line...
Anybody else hate hearing people say "axe" instead of "ask?"
I don't quite know why it annoys me so much, but it does...
Axe and ye shall receive. Knock and it shall be opened unto you. Or just use
your axe on it.
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30 Jun 2005 04:33:10 AM |
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Ike wrote:
"Elroy Willis" <elroywillis@swbell.net> wrote in message
news:qi05c1pq07f0qobiu3g5nrp8954e13u5ls@4ax.com...
In one part of Bush's speech last night, I'm pretty sure he said "axe"
instead of "ask," but I could be mistaken, since I didn't record it
and can't go back and check.
I dunno why I hate hearing people say "axe" instead of "ask" but it
annoys me bigtime. A lot more than hearing Bush say "nuculer" instead
of "nuclear," but along the same line...
Anybody else hate hearing people say "axe" instead of "ask?"
I don't quite know why it annoys me so much, but it does...
Axe and ye shall receive. Knock and it shall be opened unto you. Or just
use your axe on it.
"HEEEEEEERE'S JOHNNY!"
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29 Jun 2005 04:45:32 PM |
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"Elroy Willis" <elroywillis@swbell.net> wrote in message
news:qi05c1pq07f0qobiu3g5nrp8954e13u5ls@4ax.com...
In one part of Bush's speech last night, I'm pretty sure he said "axe"
instead of "ask," but I could be mistaken, since I didn't record it
and can't go back and check.
I dunno why I hate hearing people say "axe" instead of "ask" but it
annoys me bigtime. A lot more than hearing Bush say "nuculer" instead
of "nuclear," but along the same line...
Anybody else hate hearing people say "axe" instead of "ask?"
I don't quite know why it annoys me so much, but it does...
--
Elroy Willis
www.elroysemporium.com
Drives me potty
not *that* hard to pronounce people just leave of the kuh sound at the end.
Damn laziness
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| User: "Niels van der Linden" |
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29 Jun 2005 03:03:05 PM |
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In one part of Bush's speech last night, I'm pretty sure he said "axe"
instead of "ask," but I could be mistaken, since I didn't record it
and can't go back and check.
I dunno why I hate hearing people say "axe" instead of "ask" but it
annoys me bigtime. A lot more than hearing Bush say "nuculer" instead
of "nuclear," but along the same line...
Anybody else hate hearing people say "axe" instead of "ask?"
I don't quite know why it annoys me so much, but it does...
Dumb audiences love dumb idols. It's a way of saying "you see, I'm just as
dumb as you guys".
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29 Jun 2005 12:21:39 PM |
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Elroy Willis <elroywillis@swbell.net> wrote in
news:qi05c1pq07f0qobiu3g5nrp8954e13u5ls@4ax.com:
In one part of Bush's speech last night, I'm pretty sure he said "axe"
instead of "ask," but I could be mistaken, since I didn't record it
and can't go back and check.
I dunno why I hate hearing people say "axe" instead of "ask" but it
annoys me bigtime. A lot more than hearing Bush say "nuculer" instead
of "nuclear," but along the same line...
Anybody else hate hearing people say "axe" instead of "ask?"
I don't quite know why it annoys me so much, but it does...
Ask/Axe is a common southern thing and is not gender or race specific.
Another one that is common is "suite" which is supposed to be pronounced
"sweet". Some southerners will pronounce "suite" as "suit". A living room
suite can take on a whole new meaning. I have heard commercials in Chicago
pronouncing "fish fillets" and "fish fill its". Another common southern
term is to "cut on" or "cut off" the lights. "Fixin' to" is the southern
way of saying "Getting ready to".
Seems that in the NE they lose the 'r' sounds. For example "lobster" turn
into "lobstuh" and "park" turns into "pahhk". There are many more example
of the "rrr" sound turning to "aaah". JFK was great for that.
LBJ used many of those expressions but he jept his Texas twang. GW has
tried to lose that Texas accent but some words come back to haunt him. Why
did he do that? Probably because northerners automatically think people
with a southern accent are stupid and cannot be taken seriously.
rj
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29 Jun 2005 11:07:09 PM |
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In article <Xns96844ADB6EC49mc2500183316chgoill@10.232.1.1>,
R. Pierce Butler <spamsucks@google.com> wrote:
Ask/Axe is a common southern thing and is not gender or race specific.
Another one that is common is "suite" which is supposed to be pronounced
"sweet". Some southerners will pronounce "suite" as "suit".
Sometimes the reason a person misspells a word a certain way is easy
to guess, and sometimes it's a baffling mystery until the right fact
falls into your lap in an unrelated newsgroup. I now understand why
some e-mail spammers have threatened people who complained to their
providers with "lawsuites".
--
David Canzi "Upon blind faith they place reliance.
What we need more of is science!" -- MC Hawking
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29 Jun 2005 01:14:33 PM |
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In article <Xns96844ADB6EC49mc2500183316chgoill@10.232.1.1>, R. Pierce
Butler <spamsucks@google.com> wrote:
Elroy Willis <elroywillis@swbell.net> wrote in
news:qi05c1pq07f0qobiu3g5nrp8954e13u5ls@4ax.com:
In one part of Bush's speech last night, I'm pretty sure he said "axe"
instead of "ask," but I could be mistaken, since I didn't record it
and can't go back and check.
I dunno why I hate hearing people say "axe" instead of "ask" but it
annoys me bigtime. A lot more than hearing Bush say "nuculer" instead
of "nuclear," but along the same line...
Anybody else hate hearing people say "axe" instead of "ask?"
I don't quite know why it annoys me so much, but it does...
Ask/Axe is a common southern thing and is not gender or race specific.
Another one that is common is "suite" which is supposed to be pronounced
"sweet". Some southerners will pronounce "suite" as "suit". A living room
suite can take on a whole new meaning. I have heard commercials in Chicago
pronouncing "fish fillets" and "fish fill its". Another common southern
term is to "cut on" or "cut off" the lights. "Fixin' to" is the southern
way of saying "Getting ready to".
Seems that in the NE they lose the 'r' sounds. For example "lobster" turn
into "lobstuh" and "park" turns into "pahhk". There are many more example
of the "rrr" sound turning to "aaah". JFK was great for that.
LBJ used many of those expressions but he jept his Texas twang. GW has
tried to lose that Texas accent but some words come back to haunt him. Why
did he do that? Probably because northerners automatically think people
with a southern accent are stupid and cannot be taken seriously.
The problem is, GWB is about as southern as I am, and I've never been
east of the Mississippi. He, his father and his grandfather were born
on the eastern seaboard (GWB in New Haven, Connecticut). While he grew
up in Texas, one generally picks up one's speech manerisms from one's
parents and other family, not from the community at large. GWB's "Texas
accent" is an affectation he uses to sound like a down-home cowboy, and
little more.
-chib
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Member of S.M.A.S.H.
Sarcastic Middle-aged Atheists with a Sense of Humor
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29 Jun 2005 02:05:10 PM |
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chibiabos <chib@nospam.com> wrote in alt.atheism
R. Pierce Butler <spamsucks@google.com> wrote:
Elroy Willis <elroywillis@swbell.net> wrote in
In one part of Bush's speech last night, I'm pretty sure he said "axe"
instead of "ask," but I could be mistaken, since I didn't record it
and can't go back and check.
I dunno why I hate hearing people say "axe" instead of "ask" but it
annoys me bigtime. A lot more than hearing Bush say "nuculer" instead
of "nuclear," but along the same line...
Anybody else hate hearing people say "axe" instead of "ask?"
I don't quite know why it annoys me so much, but it does...
Ask/Axe is a common southern thing and is not gender or race specific.
Another one that is common is "suite" which is supposed to be pronounced
"sweet". Some southerners will pronounce "suite" as "suit". A living room
suite can take on a whole new meaning. I have heard commercials in Chicago
pronouncing "fish fillets" and "fish fill its". Another common southern
term is to "cut on" or "cut off" the lights. "Fixin' to" is the southern
way of saying "Getting ready to".
Seems that in the NE they lose the 'r' sounds. For example "lobster" turn
into "lobstuh" and "park" turns into "pahhk". There are many more example
of the "rrr" sound turning to "aaah". JFK was great for that.
LBJ used many of those expressions but he jept his Texas twang. GW has
tried to lose that Texas accent but some words come back to haunt him. Why
did he do that? Probably because northerners automatically think people
with a southern accent are stupid and cannot be taken seriously.
The problem is, GWB is about as southern as I am, and I've never been
east of the Mississippi.
What does being "southern" have to do with being east or west of the
Mississippi river? Everyone who lives west of the Mississippi is
considered a southerner to you?
He, his father and his grandfather were born on the eastern seaboard
(GWB in New Haven, Connecticut). While he grew up in Texas, one generally
picks up one's speech manerisms from one's parents and other family, not from
the community at large.
If he went to school in Texas, he was sure to pick up some of his
speech mannerisms from the people he went to school with, don't you
think? He currently owns a big ranch in Texas, and if he communicates
with any of his ranch hands, he's sure to pick up on their speech
patterns or word usages, don't you think?
GWB's "Texas accent" is an affectation he uses to sound like a down-home
cowboy, and little more.
Or maybe he's just using whatever accents he grew up with and hears
from the people around him?
--
Elroy Willis
www.elroysemporium.com
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30 Jun 2005 12:36:52 PM |
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"Elroy Willis" <elroywillis@swbell.net> wrote in message
news:k895c1h8122bjt25sh2m2g72sfps1i2077@4ax.com...
chibiabos <chib@nospam.com> wrote in alt.atheism
R. Pierce Butler <spamsucks@google.com> wrote:
Elroy Willis <elroywillis@swbell.net> wrote in
In one part of Bush's speech last night, I'm pretty sure he said "axe"
instead of "ask," but I could be mistaken, since I didn't record it
and can't go back and check.
I dunno why I hate hearing people say "axe" instead of "ask" but it
annoys me bigtime. A lot more than hearing Bush say "nuculer" instead
of "nuclear," but along the same line...
Anybody else hate hearing people say "axe" instead of "ask?"
I don't quite know why it annoys me so much, but it does...
Ask/Axe is a common southern thing and is not gender or race specific.
Another one that is common is "suite" which is supposed to be
pronounced
"sweet". Some southerners will pronounce "suite" as "suit". A living
room
suite can take on a whole new meaning. I have heard commercials in
Chicago
pronouncing "fish fillets" and "fish fill its". Another common
southern
term is to "cut on" or "cut off" the lights. "Fixin' to" is the
southern
way of saying "Getting ready to".
Seems that in the NE they lose the 'r' sounds. For example "lobster"
turn
into "lobstuh" and "park" turns into "pahhk". There are many more
example
of the "rrr" sound turning to "aaah". JFK was great for that.
LBJ used many of those expressions but he jept his Texas twang. GW has
tried to lose that Texas accent but some words come back to haunt him.
Why
did he do that? Probably because northerners automatically think
people
with a southern accent are stupid and cannot be taken seriously.
The problem is, GWB is about as southern as I am, and I've never been
east of the Mississippi.
What does being "southern" have to do with being east or west of the
Mississippi river? Everyone who lives west of the Mississippi is
considered a southerner to you?
Most of that's considered the "south" is east of the Mississippi and south
of the Ohio. The exceptions are Arkansas and much of Louisiana, and perhaps
southern Missouri.
I always thought Texas was it's own thing, not really belonging to the
South.
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30 Jun 2005 02:16:21 PM |
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Peacenik <cnelsonpublic@hotmail.com> wrote in alt.atheism
Elroy Willis <elroywillis@swbell.net> wrote in message
chibiabos <chib@nospam.com> wrote in alt.atheism
The problem is, GWB is about as southern as I am, and I've never been
east of the Mississippi.
What does being "southern" have to do with being east or west of the
Mississippi river? Everyone who lives west of the Mississippi is
considered a southerner to you?
Most of that's considered the "south" is east of the Mississippi and south
of the Ohio. The exceptions are Arkansas and much of Louisiana, and perhaps
southern Missouri.
I always thought Texas was it's own thing, not really belonging to the
South.
Because of the Lone Star?
--
Elroy Willis
www.elroysemporium.com
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29 Jun 2005 06:38:29 PM |
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Elroy Willis wrote:
What does being "southern" have to do with being east or west of the
Mississippi river? Everyone who lives west of the Mississippi is
considered a southerner to you?
No, if you live *east* of the Mississippi and south of the Mason-Dixon
line, you're a Southerner. If you live *west* of the Miss, you're a
Westerner, no matter how far south you live. Except for Texas, which
is the South and not the West. I have had many a confrontation with
Texans who want to characterize me as a fellow "Southerner." I'm a
*Westerner*, even if I do live a scant 60 miles north of Mexico.
Brenda Nelson, A.A.#34
EAC Professor of Feline Thermometrics and Cat-Herding
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30 Jun 2005 12:43:14 PM |
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"skyeyes" <skyeyes@dakotacom.net> wrote in message
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Elroy Willis wrote:
What does being "southern" have to do with being east or west of the
Mississippi river? Everyone who lives west of the Mississippi is
considered a southerner to you?
No, if you live *east* of the Mississippi and south of the Mason-Dixon
line, you're a Southerner. If you live *west* of the Miss, you're a
Westerner, no matter how far south you live.
Even in Louisiana?
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30 Jun 2005 11:47:05 AM |
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In our last episode
<1120070309.233020.63250@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>, skyeyes pirouetted
gracefully and with great fanfare proclaimed:
Elroy Willis wrote:
What does being "southern" have to do with being east or west of the
Mississippi river? Everyone who lives west of the Mississippi is
considered a southerner to you?
No, if you live *east* of the Mississippi and south of the Mason-Dixon
line, you're a Southerner. If you live *west* of the Miss, you're a
Westerner, no matter how far south you live. Except for Texas, which is
the South and not the West. I have had many a confrontation with Texans
who want to characterize me as a fellow "Southerner." I'm a *Westerner*,
even if I do live a scant 60 miles north of Mexico.
Actually, Texas would be South, West, and Southwest.
(Well, it's a *big place <G>)
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Mark K. Bilbo - a.a. #1423
EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion
Alt-atheism website at: http://www.alt-atheism.org
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monkeys on a million typewriters, and the Usenet
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29 Jun 2005 11:47:28 PM |
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Elroy Willis wrote:
chibiabos <chib@nospam.com> wrote in alt.atheism
R. Pierce Butler <spamsucks@google.com> wrote:
Elroy Willis <elroywillis@swbell.net> wrote in
In one part of Bush's speech last night, I'm pretty sure he said "axe"
instead of "ask," but I could be mistaken, since I didn't record it
and can't go back and check.
I dunno why I hate hearing people say "axe" instead of "ask" but it
annoys me bigtime. A lot more than hearing Bush say "nuculer" instead
of "nuclear," but along the same line...
Anybody else hate hearing people say "axe" instead of "ask?"
I don't quite know why it annoys me so much, but it does...
Ask/Axe is a common southern thing and is not gender or race specific.
Another one that is common is "suite" which is supposed to be pronounced
"sweet". Some southerners will pronounce "suite" as "suit". A living room
suite can take on a whole new meaning. I have heard commercials in Chicago
pronouncing "fish fillets" and "fish fill its". Another common southern
term is to "cut on" or "cut off" the lights. "Fixin' to" is the southern
way of saying "Getting ready to".
Seems that in the NE they lose the 'r' sounds. For example "lobster" turn
into "lobstuh" and "park" turns into "pahhk". There are many more example
of the "rrr" sound turning to "aaah". JFK was great for that.
LBJ used many of those expressions but he jept his Texas twang. GW has
tried to lose that Texas accent but some words come back to haunt him. Why
did he do that? Probably because northerners automatically think people
with a southern accent are stupid and cannot be taken seriously.
The problem is, GWB is about as southern as I am, and I've never been
east of the Mississippi.
What does being "southern" have to do with being east or west of the
Mississippi river? Everyone who lives west of the Mississippi is
considered a southerner to you?
He, his father and his grandfather were born on the eastern seaboard
(GWB in New Haven, Connecticut). While he grew up in Texas, one generally
picks up one's speech manerisms from one's parents and other family, not from
the community at large.
If he went to school in Texas, he was sure to pick up some of his
speech mannerisms from the people he went to school with, don't you
think? He currently owns a big ranch in Texas, and if he communicates
with any of his ranch hands, he's sure to pick up on their speech
patterns or word usages, don't you think?
With his ranch hands, he uses mangled Spanish!
"Que Peso?"
James
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| User: "Sean C" |
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30 Jun 2005 06:44:13 AM |
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In article <42C3329B.5050506@earthlink.net>, James Ascher
<jwa1968@earthlink.net> wrote:
With his ranch hands, he uses mangled Spanish!
"Que Peso?"
James
"Muchas grassy-*****, pee-ons."
Sean C
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| User: "Mark K. Bilbo" |
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30 Jun 2005 11:45:24 AM |
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In our last episode <42C3329B.5050506@earthlink.net>, James Ascher
pirouetted gracefully and with great fanfare proclaimed:
Elroy Willis wrote:
chibiabos <chib@nospam.com> wrote in alt.atheism
R. Pierce Butler <spamsucks@google.com> wrote:
Elroy Willis <elroywillis@swbell.net> wrote in
In one part of Bush's speech last night, I'm pretty sure he said "axe"
instead of "ask," but I could be mistaken, since I didn't record it
and can't go back and check.
I dunno why I hate hearing people say "axe" instead of "ask" but it
annoys me bigtime. A lot more than hearing Bush say "nuculer" instead
of "nuclear," but along the same line...
Anybody else hate hearing people say "axe" instead of "ask?"
I don't quite know why it annoys me so much, but it does...
Ask/Axe is a common southern thing and is not gender or race specific.
Another one that is common is "suite" which is supposed to be
pronounced "sweet". Some southerners will pronounce "suite" as "suit".
A living room suite can take on a whole new meaning. I have heard
commercials in Chicago pronouncing "fish fillets" and "fish fill its".
Another common southern term is to "cut on" or "cut off" the lights.
"Fixin' to" is the southern way of saying "Getting ready to".
Seems that in the NE they lose the 'r' sounds. For example "lobster"
turn into "lobstuh" and "park" turns into "pahhk". There are many more
example of the "rrr" sound turning to "aaah". JFK was great for that.
LBJ used many of those expressions but he jept his Texas twang. GW has
tried to lose that Texas accent but some words come back to haunt him.
Why did he do that? Probably because northerners automatically think
people with a southern accent are stupid and cannot be taken seriously.
The problem is, GWB is about as southern as I am, and I've never been
east of the Mississippi.
What does being "southern" have to do with being east or west of the
Mississippi river? Everyone who lives west of the Mississippi is
considered a southerner to you?
He, his father and his grandfather were born on the eastern seaboard
(GWB in New Haven, Connecticut). While he grew up in Texas, one
generally picks up one's speech manerisms from one's parents and other
family, not from the community at large.
If he went to school in Texas, he was sure to pick up some of his speech
mannerisms from the people he went to school with, don't you think? He
currently owns a big ranch in Texas, and if he communicates with any of
his ranch hands, he's sure to pick up on their speech patterns or word
usages, don't you think?
With his ranch hands, he uses mangled Spanish!
"Que Peso?"
Heh.
One of the funniest things I've heard in my life was an East Texan (white)
who spoke fluent Spanish. But with an East Texas twang. You want to talk
"jarring?"
--
Mark K. Bilbo - a.a. #1423
EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion
Alt-atheism website at: http://www.alt-atheism.org
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"Come to think of it, there are already a million
monkeys on a million typewriters, and the Usenet
is NOTHING like Shakespeare!" -- Blair Houghton
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| User: "R. Pierce Butler" |
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30 Jun 2005 10:17:31 PM |
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"Mark K. Bilbo" <alt-atheism@org.webmaster> wrote in
news:gv2dncm4ocPIRl7fRVn-rg@megapath.net:
One of the funniest things I've heard in my life was an East Texan (white)
who spoke fluent Spanish. But with an East Texas twang. You want to talk
"jarring?"
While not necessarily funny it is quite different to hear the Korean lady at
the gas station talk to the Hispanic clients in Spanish. She does pretty
good with Korean, English and Spanish. Yes she is the manager/owner.
rj
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30 Jun 2005 12:26:16 PM |
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"Mark K. Bilbo" <alt-atheism@org.webmaster> wrote in message
news:gv2dncm4ocPIRl7fRVn-rg@megapath.net...
snip
Heh.
One of the funniest things I've heard in my life was an East Texan (white)
who spoke fluent Spanish. But with an East Texas twang. You want to talk
"jarring?"
I've heard something similar only it was in a college french class. French
REALLY doesn't sound good with a strong Southern accent.
Parlay vu francasey, mon-sewer? :P
--
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Robyn
Resident Witchypoo
#1557
Science doesn't burn people at the stake for disagreeing - Vic Sagerquist
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30 Jun 2005 12:33:50 PM |
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On Thu, 30 Jun 2005 08:26:16 -0400, "Robibnikoff"
<witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote:
"Mark K. Bilbo" <alt-atheism@org.webmaster> wrote in message
news:gv2dncm4ocPIRl7fRVn-rg@megapath.net...
snip
Heh.
One of the funniest things I've heard in my life was an East Texan (white)
who spoke fluent Spanish. But with an East Texas twang. You want to talk
"jarring?"
I've heard something similar only it was in a college french class. French
REALLY doesn't sound good with a strong Southern accent.
Parlay vu francasey, mon-sewer? :P
Just like Edward Heath's speech in French when he took the UK into the
EU (then known simply as the Common Market).
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30 Jun 2005 02:14:38 PM |
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Robibnikoff <witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote in alt.atheism
Mark K. Bilbo <alt-atheism@org.webmaster> wrote in message
Heh.
One of the funniest things I've heard in my life was an East Texan (white)
who spoke fluent Spanish. But with an East Texas twang. You want to talk
"jarring?"
I've heard something similar only it was in a college french class. French
REALLY doesn't sound good with a strong Southern accent.
Parlay vu francasey, mon-sewer? :P
That's why I'm kind of kicking myself in the butt for choosing French
instead of Spanish back in high school. WTF was I thinking
back then?
--
Elroy Willis
www.elroysemporium.com
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30 Jun 2005 10:52:39 PM |
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Mark K. Bilbo wrote:
One of the funniest things I've heard in my life was an East Texan (white)
who spoke fluent Spanish. But with an East Texas twang. You want to talk
"jarring?"
When I lived in Greece, I had an American pal from Houston. She spoke
Greek with that East Texas twang. It was...*amazing*.
Brenda Nelson, A.A.#34
EAC Professor of Feline Thermometrics and Cat-Herding
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01 Jul 2005 11:56:41 AM |
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In our last episode
<1120171958.998118.68460@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>, skyeyes pirouetted
gracefully and with great fanfare proclaimed:
Mark K. Bilbo wrote:
One of the funniest things I've heard in my life was an East Texan
(white) who spoke fluent Spanish. But with an East Texas twang. You want
to talk "jarring?"
When I lived in Greece, I had an American pal from Houston. She spoke
Greek with that East Texas twang. It was...*amazing*.
I had enough trouble getting my head around Spanish with an East Texas
twang...
--
Mark K. Bilbo - a.a. #1423
EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion
Alt-atheism website at: http://www.alt-atheism.org
--------------------------------------------------
"Come to think of it, there are already a million
monkeys on a million typewriters, and the Usenet
is NOTHING like Shakespeare!" -- Blair Houghton
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29 Jun 2005 11:46:21 PM |
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Elroy Willis wrote:
chibiabos <chib@nospam.com> wrote in alt.atheism
R. Pierce Butler <spamsucks@google.com> wrote:
Elroy Willis <elroywillis@swbell.net> wrote in
In one part of Bush's speech last night, I'm pretty sure he said "axe"
instead of "ask," but I could be mistaken, since I didn't record it
and can't go back and check.
I dunno why I hate hearing people say "axe" instead of "ask" but it
annoys me bigtime. A lot more than hearing Bush say "nuculer" instead
of "nuclear," but along the same line...
Anybody else hate hearing people say "axe" instead of "ask?"
I don't quite know why it annoys me so much, but it does...
Ask/Axe is a common southern thing and is not gender or race specific.
Another one that is common is "suite" which is supposed to be pronounced
"sweet". Some southerners will pronounce "suite" as "suit". A living room
suite can take on a whole new meaning. I have heard commercials in Chicago
pronouncing "fish fillets" and "fish fill its". Another common southern
term is to "cut on" or "cut off" the lights. "Fixin' to" is the southern
way of saying "Getting ready to".
Seems that in the NE they lose the 'r' sounds. For example "lobster" turn
into "lobstuh" and "park" turns into "pahhk". There are many more example
of the "rrr" sound turning to "aaah". JFK was great for that.
LBJ used many of those expressions but he jept his Texas twang. GW has
tried to lose that Texas accent but some words come back to haunt him. Why
did he do that? Probably because northerners automatically think people
with a southern accent are stupid and cannot be taken seriously.
The problem is, GWB is about as southern as I am, and I've never been
east of the Mississippi.
What does being "southern" have to do with being east or west of the
Mississippi river? Everyone who lives west of the Mississippi is
considered a southerner to you?
He, his father and his grandfather were born on the eastern seaboard
(GWB in New Haven, Connecticut). While he grew up in Texas, one generally
picks up one's speech manerisms from one's parents and other family, not from
the community at large.
If he went to school in Texas, he was sure to pick up some of his
speech mannerisms from the people he went to school with, don't you
think? He currently owns a big ranch in Texas, and if he communicates
with any of his ranch hands, he's sure to pick up on their speech
patterns or word usages, don't you think?
With his ranch hands, he uses mangled Spanish!
James
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| User: "chibiabos" |
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29 Jun 2005 11:34:00 PM |
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In article <k895c1h8122bjt25sh2m2g72sfps1i2077@4ax.com>, Elroy Willis
<elroywillis@swbell.net> wrote:
chibiabos <chib@nospam.com> wrote in alt.atheism
R. Pierce Butler <spamsucks@google.com> wrote:
Elroy Willis <elroywillis@swbell.net> wrote in
In one part of Bush's speech last night, I'm pretty sure he said "axe"
instead of "ask," but I could be mistaken, since I didn't record it
and can't go back and check.
I dunno why I hate hearing people say "axe" instead of "ask" but it
annoys me bigtime. A lot more than hearing Bush say "nuculer" instead
of "nuclear," but along the same line...
Anybody else hate hearing people say "axe" instead of "ask?"
I don't quite know why it annoys me so much, but it does...
Ask/Axe is a common southern thing and is not gender or race specific.
Another one that is common is "suite" which is supposed to be pronounced
"sweet". Some southerners will pronounce "suite" as "suit". A living
room
suite can take on a whole new meaning. I have heard commercials in
Chicago
pronouncing "fish fillets" and "fish fill its". Another common southern
term is to "cut on" or "cut off" the lights. "Fixin' to" is the southern
way of saying "Getting ready to".
Seems that in the NE they lose the 'r' sounds. For example "lobster" turn
into "lobstuh" and "park" turns into "pahhk". There are many more example
of the "rrr" sound turning to "aaah". JFK was great for that.
LBJ used many of those expressions but he jept his Texas twang. GW has
tried to lose that Texas accent but some words come back to haunt him.
Why
did he do that? Probably because northerners automatically think people
with a southern accent are stupid and cannot be taken seriously.
The problem is, GWB is about as southern as I am, and I've never been
east of the Mississippi.
What does being "southern" have to do with being east or west of the
Mississippi river? Everyone who lives west of the Mississippi is
considered a southerner to you?
About half of them are, Elroy.
He, his father and his grandfather were born on the eastern seaboard
(GWB in New Haven, Connecticut). While he grew up in Texas, one generally
picks up one's speech manerisms from one's parents and other family, not
from
the community at large.
If he went to school in Texas, he was sure to pick up some of his
speech mannerisms from the people he went to school with, don't you
think? He currently owns a big ranch in Texas, and if he communicates
with any of his ranch hands, he's sure to pick up on their speech
patterns or word usages, don't you think?
Not necessarily. Although some speech manerisms are acquired outside
the home, the majority are picked up from members of one's own
household. I suppose it's possible GWB was raised mostly by local
Texans (nannies, servants, tutors, etc.) and never saw members of his
own family very much, hence the Texas accent. But I tend not to believe
the accent is as "real" as others say it is. He's an ivy-league *****
who had access to the best diction coaches money could buy. Do you
seriously think the grandchild of Prescott Bush would be allowed to
grow up sounding like a Texas borracho?
I do think his malapropisms are real, though.
-chib
--
Member of SMASH
Sarcastic Middle-aged Atheists with a Sense of Humor
(email: change out to in)
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30 Jun 2005 09:01:23 PM |
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chibiabos <chib@outreach.com> wrote in alt.atheism
Do you seriously think the grandchild of Prescott Bush would be allowed
to grow up sounding like a Texas borracho?
What's a borracho?
--
Elroy Willis
www.elroysemporium.com
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