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08 May 2005 02:21:48 PM |
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did catholics practice cannibalism? |
Just wondering cuz in a catholic mass they symbollically use wine to
represent blood and bread to represent the flesh of another human then
consume it.
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| User: "Claytons Gone Fishing With Fredo Corleone" |
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08 May 2005 08:50:35 PM |
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"Wehr666" <God_of_Unbelief@NOSPAMyahoo.com> wrote in message
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Just wondering cuz in a catholic mass they symbollically use wine to
represent blood and bread to represent the flesh of another human then
consume it.
Well they have been known to have little boys in their mouths...but I'm not
sure if that counts as cannibalism!
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| User: "g" |
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15 May 2005 12:41:45 AM |
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Catholics believe Jesus Christ is god, well atleast 1/3rd of god. I
don't think the son of God could be considered Human. Some christians
have resorted to canibalism though, like the donner party in america,
the deliberate famine in the Ukraine, even in the Wermacht on the
eastern front there was said to be cannibalism, same with the French
when they bum rushed Russia.
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| User: "Mike Painter" |
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15 May 2005 01:59:51 AM |
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g wrote:
Catholics believe Jesus Christ is god, well atleast 1/3rd of god.
Well you're kicked out of the club too. God, JC and the holy ghost are all
God and all individual gods.
I don't think the son of God could be considered Human.
Twice. You have to believe he was fully human also.
Some christians
have resorted to canibalism though, like the donner party in america,
Maybe. That's now being questioned by historians.
If found to be false it will ruin my friends resturant in Nevada City, CA.
Utah Philips owns The Donner Cafe which features Chuck roast, finger food
and lady fingers for desert.
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| User: "g" |
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15 May 2005 02:06:18 AM |
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Likely, today just as in the past you'd probably get excommunicated
just from telling the preist you are uncertain if you beleive in god or
not. It's improved slightly I guess though, since you probably won't
have to face the gallows for such an offence.
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| User: "DanielSan" |
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15 May 2005 02:27:32 AM |
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g wrote:
Catholics believe Jesus Christ is god, well atleast 1/3rd of god. I
don't think the son of God could be considered Human. Some christians
have resorted to canibalism though, like the donner party in america,
the deliberate famine in the Ukraine, even in the Wermacht on the
eastern front there was said to be cannibalism, same with the French
when they bum rushed Russia.
See, this is exactly what I and many other atheists are talking about.
Religion does not make a person moral or immoral. Neither does atheism
make a person moral or immoral. There are good Christians and there are
bad Christians. There are good Buddhists and there are bad Buddhists.
There are good atheists and there are bad atheists.
To lump the entire group together because of what one or a small
subsection did is stereotyping. If Pol Pot was an atheist (which I
doubt, but nonetheless, that seems to be the going thing), then he was a
"bad atheist". Hitler, on the other hand, was a Christian, but a "bad
Christian".
See how it works? One cannot call Christians bad because of the actions
of Hitler. One cannot call atheists bad because of the actions of Pol Pot.
However, if one covers up the actions of said "bad" person, they are
aiding and abetting and they become "bad".
When Pope Pius XII consented and gave Hitler the blessing to kill the
Jews, Pope Pius XII became a "bad Christian".
It is my hope that humankind can, one day, evolve past the lazy
stereotypes which has hurt so many people for so long.
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| User: "g" |
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15 May 2005 02:57:54 AM |
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Hitler wasn't a christian, he was baptized as a catholic but he had
fell out and turned on christendom around the age of 18, when he was
homeless living in Vienna as a Painter. He was kind of an eclectic
spirit, partial to Wotanism and especially the work of Nietzsche, and
social Darwanism, I even heard he had tried to get in contact with
Aleister Crowley just before the war but they never actually had
correspondance because of the allied blockades . Of course in speeches
and such he would say he was a christian to the volk, if he didn't he
would've never been elected to power. The thing is though, the concept
of a mutal moral code for all of humanity is wholly the workings of
judeo-christianity, who refuse to acknowledge that morality like other
examples of knowledge are relative to the people holding the values.
Which is a positive I see in atheism. The destruction of notions like
that and of all religious scape goating of human nature.
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| User: "DanielSan" |
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15 May 2005 03:14:34 AM |
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g wrote:
Hitler wasn't a christian, he was baptized as a catholic but he had
fell out and turned on christendom around the age of 18, when he was
homeless living in Vienna as a Painter.
Sorry, but Hitler was, indeed, a Christian. You've never read Mein
Kampf, have you?
Some classic Mein Kampf quotes:
"I believe today that my conduct is in accordance with the will of the
Almighty Creator." --pg 46
"What we have to fight for...is the freedom and independence of the
fatherland, so that our people may be enabled to fulfill the mission
assigned to it by the Creator." --pg 125
"This human world of ours would be inconceivable without the practical
existence of a religious belief." --pg 152
"And the founder of Christianity made no secret indeed of his estimation
of the Jewish people. When He found it necessary, He drove those enemies
of the human race out of the Temple of God." --pg 174
Finally, in a speech made on April 12, 1922, Hitler summed up his views:
"My feelings as a Christian points me to my Lord and Savior as a
fighter. It points me to the man who once in loneliness, surrounded by
a few followers, recognized these Jews for what they were and summoned
men to fight against them and who -- God’s truth! -- was greatest not as
a sufferer but as a fighter. In boundless love as a Christian and as a
man I read through the passage which tells us how the Lord at last rose
in His might and seized the scourge to drive out of the Temple the brood
of vipers and adders. How terrific was His fight for the world against
the Jewish poison. Today, after two thousand years, with deepest
emotion I recognize more profoundly than ever before the fact that it
was for this that He had to shed His blood upon the Cross. As a
Christian I have no duty to allow my self to be cheated, but I have the
duty to be a fighter for truth and justice… And if there is anything
which could demonstrate that we are acting rightly it is the distress
that daily grows. For as a Christian I have also a duty to my own people."
Now I know you say that he only said that for election purposes, but
what you're saying is a logical fallacy. A fallacy of the "No True
Scotsman" variety.
Hitler was, indeed, a Christian and used his religion as a weapon
against the people he perceived as those that "killed Jesus," and that
he was doing God's work by cleansing the planet of those that have
"original sin".
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| User: "g" |
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15 May 2005 03:33:48 AM |
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If you beleive Hitler was a Christian, even a bad christian, you
obviously don't know
anything about Adolph Hitler or national socialism. Im guessing your
just looking
for an argumant. I have read mein kampf, and you doing a quick search
of
: Hitler + christianity on yahoo and showing a few quotes, isn't going
to change the
fact that He was not a christian and saw him self in direct contrast of
it.
Your " logical fallacy" argument doesn't matter if the man saw him self
in
no way as a christian. It might work for charlemagne or the teutonic
order
but not Hitler.
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| User: "DanielSan" |
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15 May 2005 03:49:29 AM |
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g wrote:
If you beleive Hitler was a Christian, even a bad christian, you
obviously don't know
anything about Adolph Hitler or national socialism.
Sorry, but I do know Adolf Hitler (note the spelling. There's an F.)
and I read Mein Kampf as well. It's a scary, scary book. And I do know
about National Socialism. Your post above shows your lack of
understanding of what I know and don't know.
Im guessing your
just looking
for an argumant.
Well, when you say something as blatantly false as "Hitler was not a
Christian", I'm forced to correct you.
I have read mein kampf, and you doing a quick search
of
: Hitler + christianity on yahoo and showing a few quotes, isn't going
to change the
fact that He was not a christian and saw him self in direct contrast of
it.
Sorry, but I didn't look up "Hilter + Christianity" on Yahoo. I pulled
them from the copy of Mein Kampf I have in my bookcase.
Your " logical fallacy" argument doesn't matter if the man saw him self
in
no way as a christian.
So the "My feelings as a Christian..." speech doesn't mean anything?
It might work for charlemagne or the teutonic
order
but not Hitler.
Why would it work for Charlemagne or the Teutonic Order, but not Hilter?
Please be clear and thorough.
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| User: "g" |
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15 May 2005 05:18:24 AM |
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"blatantly false"
Classic
Maybe read about the subject a little, or at the absolute least, think
about it . It couldn't hurt for someone thats attempting to be
knowledgeable.
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| User: "" |
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03 Jun 2005 10:52:37 PM |
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DanielSan wrote:
Well, when you say something as blatantly false as "Hitler was not a
Christian", I'm forced to correct you.
Hitler opposed Christianity
http://groups.google.co.in/group/talk.origins/msg/47c284defb4765dd?
Speaking of cannibalism:
Could engaging in cannibalism be [JW]"a social
evolutionary survival strategy"?
See Williams in
Darwinists downgrading the value of human life
http://groups.google.co.in/groups?selm=dford3-399aluF5uql89U1%40individual.net
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| User: "Robibnikoff" |
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04 Jun 2005 06:28:01 AM |
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<dford3@gl.umbc.edu> wrote in message
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DanielSan wrote:
Well, when you say something as blatantly false as "Hitler was not a
Christian", I'm forced to correct you.
Hitler opposed Christianity
And claimed he was doing "God's work". Funny how all the german soldiers
wore belt buckles which read "Gott Mitt Uns"(God with us), isn't it?
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Resident Witchypoo
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Science doesn't burn people at the stake for disagreeing - Vic Sagerquist
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| User: "Christopher A. Lee" |
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04 Jun 2005 09:09:57 AM |
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On Sat, 4 Jun 2005 07:28:01 -0400, "Robibnikoff"
<witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote:
<dford3@gl.umbc.edu> wrote in message
news:1117857157.128566.197920@g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
DanielSan wrote:
Well, when you say something as blatantly false as "Hitler was not a
Christian", I'm forced to correct you.
Hitler opposed Christianity
And claimed he was doing "God's work". Funny how all the german soldiers
wore belt buckles which read "Gott Mitt Uns"(God with us), isn't it?
The morons forget that the good Christian population supported him and
accepted his Christian motivatation and justification.
They also imagine that the holocaust happened out of nothing - that
Jews hadn't been pariahs for killing Jesus (how could anybody but a
Christian call a Jew "Christ-killer"?) for the greater part of two
millennia, and that for a large part of this it was encouraged by the
church?
http://www.yashanet.com/library/fathers.htm
Were the Catholic and Protestant fathers quoted on this page lying
about being Christian because they did bad things? Did they know they
were evil and only pretended to be Christian?
Some of the quotations from that page, reproduced without permission:
John Chrysostom (344-407 A.D.) – One of the "greatest" of church
fathers; known as "The Golden Mouthed." A missionary preacher famous
for his sermons and addresses.
"The synagogue is worse than a brothel…it is the den of scoundrels and
the repair of wild beasts…the temple of demons devoted to idolatrous
cults…the refuge of brigands and dabauchees, and the cavern of
devils. It is a criminal assembly of Jews…a place of meeting for the
assassins of Christ… a house worse than a drinking shop…a den of
thieves, a house of ill fame, a dwelling of iniquity, the refuge of
devils, a gulf and a abyss of perdition."…"I would say the same
things about their souls… As for me, I hate the synagogue…I hate the
Jews for the same reason."
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| User: "Elroy Willis" |
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05 Jun 2005 08:24:11 AM |
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Christopher A. Lee <calee@optonline.net> wrote in alt.atheism
Robibnikoff <witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote:
<dford3@gl.umbc.edu> wrote in message
DanielSan wrote:
Well, when you say something as blatantly false as "Hitler was not a
Christian", I'm forced to correct you.
Hitler opposed Christianity
And claimed he was doing "God's work". Funny how all the german soldiers
wore belt buckles which read "Gott Mitt Uns"(God with us), isn't it?
The morons forget that the good Christian population supported him and
accepted his Christian motivatation and justification.
They also imagine that the holocaust happened out of nothing - that
Jews hadn't been pariahs for killing Jesus (how could anybody but a
Christian call a Jew "Christ-killer"?) for the greater part of two
millennia, and that for a large part of this it was encouraged by the
church?
http://www.yashanet.com/library/fathers.htm
Were the Catholic and Protestant fathers quoted on this page lying
about being Christian because they did bad things? Did they know they
were evil and only pretended to be Christian?
Some of the quotations from that page, reproduced without permission:
John Chrysostom (344-407 A.D.) – One of the "greatest" of church
fathers; known as "The Golden Mouthed." A missionary preacher famous
for his sermons and addresses.
"The synagogue is worse than a brothel…it is the den of scoundrels and
the repair of wild beasts…the temple of demons devoted to idolatrous
cults…the refuge of brigands and dabauchees, and the cavern of
devils. It is a criminal assembly of Jews…a place of meeting for the
assassins of Christ… a house worse than a drinking shop…a den of
thieves, a house of ill fame, a dwelling of iniquity, the refuge of
devils, a gulf and a abyss of perdition."…"I would say the same
things about their souls… As for me, I hate the synagogue…I hate the
Jews for the same reason."
It's always amazed me that Christians bother to put the blame on any
group of people for killing their Christ. Be it the Jews or the
Romans to put the blame on, shouldn't they actually be thanking the
people they blame for the death of Jesus, since if Jesus hadn't been
crucified, in order to take away their sins while dying on his cross,
they wouldn't have their sins washed away like magic.
A story about Jesus coming to Earth, preaching for a few years, and
then ascending back into heaven, unscathed and unharmed, wouldn't seem
to work for them, because they basically think their god required the
blood of animals and humans in order to appease it. Sick stuff, imo.
--
Elroy Willis
www.elroysemporium.com
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03 Jun 2005 11:20:34 PM |
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<dford3@gl.umbc.edu> wrote in message
news:1117857157.128566.197920@g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
DanielSan wrote:
Well, when you say something as blatantly false as "Hitler was not a
Christian", I'm forced to correct you.
Hitler opposed Christianity
http://groups.google.co.in/group/talk.origins/msg/47c284defb4765dd?
You must *really* be afraid of the truth on this one! Couldn't go on living
without your illusion, eh?
http://www.nobeliefs.com/nazis.htm
Speaking of cannibalism:
Could engaging in cannibalism be [JW]"a social
evolutionary survival strategy"?
See Williams in
Darwinists downgrading the value of human life
http://groups.google.co.in/groups?selm=dford3-399aluF5uql89U1%40individual.net
Er, no-one is gonna pay the slightest attention to what you post until you
*stop lying*.
Katt.
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| User: "g" |
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15 May 2005 05:13:26 AM |
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I couldn't possiby be any more Clear. Hitler wasn't a Christian its as
simple as that. Of course he would have to say he was to gain power,
since the majority of germans were practising christians. Anything he
says that will Influence public opinion (the Quotes from rallies) also
Mein Kampf, is censored propaganda and therefore shouldn't be used in
an argument. He hated christianity but knew the only way to gain power
was in a democratic fashion. Not a coup, which he had found out the
hard way. Anybody who says "Mein Kampf" was a "scary scary book" has
obviously never read it. Have you ever read Anything by Nietzsche and
do you know how important his philosophies were in the development of
the NS state? Obviously not. The Teutonic order and Charlemagne
genuinely saw themselves as christians, yet at the same time invading
Heathen peoples like the Prussians and saxon cleaving the Heads of
anybody who denied Christianity. Going around chopping of Heads seems
to be the opposite of what jesus preached, but what makes them less
Christian than anybody else.
My grandfather served as a scout in the Hitlerjugend and in an
anti-aircraft squad near the end of the war, and has told me many
stories of what Germany was like back then. I have also read
extensively of NS and Hitler on my own accord. I promise you Hitler
wasn't a Christian.
a quote from Mr Goebbels
"The Fuhrer is deeply religous, though completely anti-Christian. He
views Christianity as a symptom of decay. Rightly so. It is a branch of
the Jewish race... Both [Judaism and Christianity] have no point of
contact to the animal element, and thus, in the end, they will be
destroyed."
This is how Hitler treated the christian church
http://constitutionalistnc.tripod.com/hitler-leftist/id2.html
http://homepages.paradise.net.nz/mischedj/ca_hitler.html
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| User: "DanielSan" |
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15 May 2005 06:00:14 AM |
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g wrote:
I couldn't possiby be any more Clear. Hitler wasn't a Christian its as
simple as that.
If only it were that simple. But it's simply not. *sweet smile
Of course he would have to say he was to gain power,
Like Bush? Hmmm... I guess Bush isn't a Christian, then...
since the majority of germans were practising christians. Anything he
says that will Influence public opinion (the Quotes from rallies) also
Mein Kampf, is censored propaganda and therefore shouldn't be used in
an argument.
"Everything that Hitler says in rallies is false"? I can't use Hitler's
own words as evidence in an argument? Then what, pray tell, *CAN* I use?
And what are YOU using? Gut feeling?
He hated christianity but knew the only way to gain power
was in a democratic fashion.
Got proof of this? Remember, you say that Hitler's speeches and Mein
Kampf cannot be used.
Not a coup, which he had found out the
hard way. Anybody who says "Mein Kampf" was a "scary scary book" has
obviously never read it.
I have read it and it is a scary, scary book.
Chapter 11: Nation and Race:
For, since the inferior always predominates numerically over the best,
if both had the same possibility of preserving life and propagating, the
inferior would multiply so much more rapidly that in the end the best
would inevitably be driven into the background, unless a correction of
this state of affairs were undertaken.
This is scary, scary stuff.
Have you ever read Anything by Nietzsche
Yes. In _Ecce Homo_, Nietzsche wrote, "[The Germans] have no conception
how vile they are... [and] wheresoever Germany penetrated, she ruins
culture."
Not to say that Nietzsche was a Christian; he wasn't. He disliked
Christianity and Judaism as well.
and
do you know how important his philosophies were in the development of
the NS state? Obviously not.
Yes, I know Nietzsche's stance on issues. I know many Nazis used
Nietzsche as a book of quotes, but Nietzsche hated what the Nazis would
eventually stand for. He labeled this kind of thinking "genial
imbecility" full of "boyish blasphemies".
The Teutonic order and Charlemagne
genuinely saw themselves as christians, yet at the same time invading
Heathen peoples like the Prussians and saxon cleaving the Heads of
anybody who denied Christianity. Going around chopping of Heads seems
to be the opposite of what jesus preached, but what makes them less
Christian than anybody else.
Why do you say that the Teutonic Order and Charlemagne are Christians?
You say that they "genuinely saw themselves as Christians" but how do
you know that Hitler didn't "genuinely" see himself as a Christian? All
I can go by is what he's said in his books and in his speeches.
My grandfather served as a scout in the Hitlerjugend and in an
anti-aircraft squad near the end of the war, and has told me many
stories of what Germany was like back then. I have also read
extensively of NS and Hitler on my own accord. I promise you Hitler
wasn't a Christian.
Sorry, but even though you say I can't use them, Hitler still said many
times that he was a Christian. No amount of pussyfooting and weasel
words can erase what Hitler said from the public record.
a quote from Mr Goebbels
"The Fuhrer is deeply religous, though completely anti-Christian. He
views Christianity as a symptom of decay. Rightly so. It is a branch of
the Jewish race... Both [Judaism and Christianity] have no point of
contact to the animal element, and thus, in the end, they will be
destroyed."
More from Joseph Goebbels:
"Christ could not possibly have been a Jew. It is not necessary to prove
that scientifically-- it is a fact."
"We have a feeling that Germany has been transformed into a great house
of God, including all classes, professions and creeds, where the Fuhrer
as our mediator stood before the throne of the Almighty."
From Hermann Goring:
"God gave the savior to the German people. We have faith, deep and
unshakeable faith, that [Hitler] was sent to us by God to save Germany."
"Although [Hitler] himself was a Catholic, he wished the Protestant
Church to have a stronger position in Germany, since Germany was
two-thirds Protestant."
From Rudolf Hess:
"With all our powers we will endeavour to be worthy of the Fuhrer thou,
O Lord, has sent us!"
From Heinrich Himmler (who attended Mass regularly):
"You Einsatztruppen (task forces) are called upon to fulfill a repulsive
duty. But you are soldiers who have to carry out every order
unconditionally. You have a responsibility before God and Hitler for
everything that is happening. I myself hate this bloody business and I
have been moved to the depths of my soul. But I am obeying the highest
law by doing my duty. Man must defend himself against bedbugs and rats--
against vermin."
This is how Hitler treated the christian church
Because he felt they were too lilly-livered to do the task handed to
them by God to cleanse the world of the evil Jews.
Note: I do not agree with the above sentence I posted, but that's how
they felt.
http://constitutionalistnc.tripod.com/hitler-leftist/id2.html
Noting the tripod.com address, I dubiously went to the site. The
contents of the site seem one-sided and misleading so I did some more
research into this "John Jay Ray" chap.
This guy seems to be a frothing right-winger who frequently retorts that
people that disagree with him are "Communist". Therefore, the above
site should not be used in any argument.
http://homepages.paradise.net.nz/mischedj/ca_hitler.html
Another personal website? Hmm...let's see this one.
This one is better than John Jay Ray's site. However, the site does
question Hitler's honesty. Why shall we believe what Hitler says when
he said "Christianity is a rebellion against natural law, a protest
against nature." versus "My feelings as a Christian points me to my Lord
and Savior as a fighter."
Which is to be believed? Why does "Table Talk" have more credibility
over "Mein Kampf" in your eyes?
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| User: "g" |
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15 May 2005 02:42:53 PM |
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"Everything that Hitler says in rallies is false"? I can't use
Hitler's
own words as evidence in an argument? Then what, pray tell, *CAN* I
use?
And what are YOU using? Gut feeling? "
There's a difference Between what is false and what is propaganda. To
be able to decipher propaganda you have to understand what and where
the Lies are. You're quoteing Hitler and Nietzsche with the same
fervor of a christian going between the Jewish canon and Gospels. You
fail to look at the big picture, or your just not capable of it.
Im using Logic along with Private conversations. anybody who knows
anything about Hitler Knows he was born and raised Catholic but Became
repulsed by it. Anybody who honestly Beleives he thought of himself as
a Christian haven't the slightest clue, and incapable of understanding
National Socialism and the Mindframe of the people.
"For, since the inferior always predominates numerically over the best,
if both had the same possibility of preserving life and propagating,
the
inferior would multiply so much more rapidly that in the end the best
would inevitably be driven into the background, unless a correction of
this state of affairs were undertaken. "
Yah what a scary scary paragraph, what if I told you his solution to
the problem was giving german women the incentive of having many
children by giving them Money and social support.
Goebbles Isn't hitler, also your quotes say nothing of Christianity,
they could be talking about Odin for all you know.
A person who believes Hitler saw himself as a Christian, calling
somebody else's opinion "misleading" is priceless. Im not even gonna
get into Revisionism since you seem incapable of outward objective
thought. Its really great you using propaganda to further your
argument but discounting those website as not "objective", again
priceless.
Hitlers only religion was National Socialism. Why don't you Read about
Operation tannenberg or other operations against the Church in Germany
and the occupied territories . He was to get rid of christianity as a
religion and european Jews as a people, to make make for something much
more important, National Socialism.
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| User: "Mike Painter" |
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15 May 2005 03:56:12 AM |
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g wrote:
If you beleive Hitler was a Christian, even a bad christian, you
obviously don't know
anything about Adolph Hitler or national socialism. Im guessing your
just looking
for an argumant. I have read mein kampf, and you doing a quick search
of
Hitler + christianity on yahoo and showing a few quotes, isn't going
to change the
fact that He was not a christian and saw him self in direct contrast
of it.
Your " logical fallacy" argument doesn't matter if the man saw him
self in
no way as a christian. It might work for charlemagne or the teutonic
order
but not Hitler.
You've been given direct quotes from his books that say he considered
himself christian.
He tried to practice what Martin Luther wrote about the Jews.
His early designs for the party symbol has the name of Jesus Christ on it.
If you have references, please post them.
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| User: "MarkA" |
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| Title: Re: did catholics practice cannibalism? |
09 May 2005 06:45:28 AM |
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On Sun, 08 May 2005 19:21:48 +0000, Wehr666 wrote:
Just wondering cuz in a catholic mass they symbollically use wine to
represent blood and bread to represent the flesh of another human then
consume it.
I wonder if the Jews in the concentration camps in WWII practiced
cannibalism. I have never researched it; I have never stumbled across
anything addressing the issue one way or another, but it seems that with
the widespread starvation and malnutrition, and the ample supply of
protein in the form of recently deceased prisoners, it would not surprise
or offend me if some of the survivors survived by finding "alternative
means of protein supplementation."
--
MarkA
(still caught in the maze of twisty little passages, all different)
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| User: "stoney" |
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13 May 2005 10:05:14 AM |
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On Sun, 08 May 2005 19:21:48 GMT, Wehr666
<God_of_Unbelief@NOSPAMyahoo.com> wrote:
Just wondering cuz in a catholic mass they symbollically use wine to
represent blood and bread to represent the flesh of another human then
consume it.
It isn't symbolic. The crackers and grape juice 'magically' transform
into flesh and blood. So, yes they do. The ritual modified from the
actual consumption is right out of the stone age.
--
Contempt of Congress meter reading-offscale.
Hello, theocracy with a fundamentalist US Supreme
Court who will ensure church and state are joined
at the hip like clergy and altar boys.
America 1776-Jan 2001 RIP
Religion is the original war crime.
-Michelle Malkin (Feb 26, 2005)
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| User: "Mike Painter" |
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| Title: Re: did catholics practice cannibalism? |
08 May 2005 04:32:54 PM |
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Wehr666 wrote:
Just wondering cuz in a catholic mass they symbollically use wine to
represent blood and bread to represent the flesh of another human then
consume it.
If you were a Catholic, used "symbolically" and were sincere it would mean
excommunication for you.
The Catholic Church says that the wine and bread *are* the blood and body,
there is no symbolism involved.
Why it continues to look like bread and wine is a mystery.
Their catechism is on-line to verify all this.
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| User: "Walter Bushell" |
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12 May 2005 11:48:28 PM |
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In article <aAvfe.14622$J12.8215@newssvr14.news.prodigy.com>,
"Mike Painter" <mddotpainter@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
Wehr666 wrote:
Just wondering cuz in a catholic mass they symbollically use wine to
represent blood and bread to represent the flesh of another human then
consume it.
If you were a Catholic, used "symbolically" and were sincere it would mean
excommunication for you.
The Catholic Church says that the wine and bread *are* the blood and body,
there is no symbolism involved.
Why it continues to look like bread and wine is a mystery.
Their catechism is on-line to verify all this.
It's the prot's that admit they are just pretending.
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Guns don't kill people; automobiles kill people.
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| User: "Gregory Gadow" |
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| Title: Re: did catholics practice cannibalism? |
09 May 2005 09:17:42 AM |
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Mike Painter wrote:
Wehr666 wrote:
Just wondering cuz in a catholic mass they symbollically use wine to
represent blood and bread to represent the flesh of another human then
consume it.
If you were a Catholic, used "symbolically" and were sincere it would mean
excommunication for you.
The Catholic Church says that the wine and bread *are* the blood and body,
there is no symbolism involved.
Why it continues to look like bread and wine is a mystery.
The "why" only looks mysterious because it is based on Plato's idea that
"form" (the way things are physically) and "substance" (the way things are
spiritually) are entirely unrelated. Consecration changes the substance while
leaving the form as it was; the liturgical term "transubstantiation" literally
means, "change in substance." Other sacraments like baptism, confirmation and
ordination are believed to likewise change the "substance" of a human being,
without changing the form. Let us ignore for the moment that the Church had to
steal an idea from pagan philosophy to write their theology.
The "how," on the other hand, has led to some of the most bitter internal
battles in Christendom.
--
Gregory Gadow
techbear@serv.net
http://www.serv.net/~techbear
"I contend that we are both atheists. I just believe
in one fewer god than you do. When you understand
why you dismiss all the other possible gods, you
will understand why I dismiss yours."
-Stephen F. Roberts
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| User: "stoney" |
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| Title: Re: did catholics practice cannibalism? |
15 May 2005 10:40:12 AM |
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On Mon, 09 May 2005 07:17:42 -0700, Gregory Gadow <techbear@serv.net>
wrote:
Mike Painter wrote:
Wehr666 wrote:
Just wondering cuz in a catholic mass they symbollically use wine to
represent blood and bread to represent the flesh of another human then
consume it.
If you were a Catholic, used "symbolically" and were sincere it would mean
excommunication for you.
The Catholic Church says that the wine and bread *are* the blood and body,
there is no symbolism involved.
Why it continues to look like bread and wine is a mystery.
The "why" only looks mysterious because it is based on Plato's idea that
"form" (the way things are physically) and "substance" (the way things are
spiritually) are entirely unrelated. Consecration changes the substance while
leaving the form as it was; the liturgical term "transubstantiation" literally
means, "change in substance." Other sacraments like baptism, confirmation and
ordination are believed to likewise change the "substance" of a human being,
without changing the form. Let us ignore for the moment that the Church had to
steal an idea from pagan philosophy to write their theology.
The Church has stolen almost every, if not every, concept in their
putrid malevolent fantasy.
The "how," on the other hand, has led to some of the most bitter internal
battles in Christendom.
--
Contempt of Congress meter reading-offscale.
Hello, theocracy with a fundamentalist US Supreme
Court who will ensure church and state are joined
at the hip like clergy and altar boys.
America 1776-Jan 2001 RIP
Religion is the original war crime.
-Michelle Malkin (Feb 26, 2005)
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| User: "duke" |
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| Title: Re: did catholics practice cannibalism? |
08 May 2005 04:48:19 PM |
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On Sun, 08 May 2005 21:32:54 GMT, "Mike Painter" <mddotpainter@sbcglobal.net>
wrote:
If you were a Catholic, used "symbolically" and were sincere it would mean
excommunication for you.
The Catholic Church says that the wine and bread *are* the blood and body,
there is no symbolism involved.
Why it continues to look like bread and wine is a mystery.
Because Jesus at the last supper changed the substance of bread and wine into
the substance of his Body and Blood all the while remaining under the visual,
taste, and texture of the substance of bread and wine.
God can do that, you know.
I've explained that to you a dozen times, mikey. Why you can't grab hold of it
is beyond me.
Their catechism is on-line to verify all this.
duke
*****
"The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."
Pope Paul VI
*****
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| User: "Dale" |
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| Title: Re: did catholics practice cannibalism? |
08 May 2005 05:55:54 PM |
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"duke" <duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote in message
news:332t715v6faefkcrp206bprv8m15oaamq6@4ax.com...
On Sun, 08 May 2005 21:32:54 GMT, "Mike Painter"
<mddotpainter@sbcglobal.net>
wrote:
If you were a Catholic, used "symbolically" and were sincere it would
mean
excommunication for you.
The Catholic Church says that the wine and bread *are* the blood and
body,
there is no symbolism involved.
Why it continues to look like bread and wine is a mystery.
Because Jesus at the last supper changed the substance of bread and wine
into
the substance of his Body and Blood all the while remaining under the
visual,
taste, and texture of the substance of bread and wine.
God can do that, you know.
I've explained that to you a dozen times, mikey. Why you can't grab hold
of it
is beyond me.
So, is duke really a Loki troll?
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| User: "Mike Painter" |
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| Title: Re: did catholics practice cannibalism? |
08 May 2005 08:01:14 PM |
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Dale wrote:
"duke" <duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote in message
news:332t715v6faefkcrp206bprv8m15oaamq6@4ax.com...
On Sun, 08 May 2005 21:32:54 GMT, "Mike Painter"
<mddotpainter@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
If you were a Catholic, used "symbolically" and were sincere it
would mean excommunication for you.
The Catholic Church says that the wine and bread *are* the blood
and body, there is no symbolism involved.
Why it continues to look like bread and wine is a mystery.
Because Jesus at the last supper changed the substance of bread and
wine into the substance of his Body and Blood all the while
remaining under the visual, taste, and texture of the substance of
bread and wine.
God can do that, you know.
I've explained that to you a dozen times, mikey. Why you can't grab
hold of it is beyond me.
So, is duke really a Loki troll?
No, he's serious. I said in another post he knows more than everybody and
here is proof:
Newsgroup: alt.recovery.catholicism
Date: 2001-03-03 22:52:09 PST
duke lebourgeois is the correct spelling but "duke's real name is probably
Earl Weber.
No one can get through to douche lebougre.
That is, of course, everyone else's fault -- according to douche himself.
Why, he's the most mild-mannered of fellows -- he keeps telling us so. He
knows about stuff. He knows more about more stuff than all of us together.
Didn't you know that? He's told us often enough! Why, he even knows that
the people who set up the newsgroup and wrote the charter and FAQ are the
ones who should never post here.He knows that anyone who disagrees with him
should leave the group immediately -- that's what he told me, and Mac, and
in time will tell Apostate of Grace.
It's obvious to him that a newsgroup established for ex-Catholics should
welcome preachers bent on bringing us back into the fold.
It's quite plain (to him) that anyone who hasn't told /him/ some
overwhelmingly good reason for feeling him/herself injured at the hands of
the RCC is just a weakling and a liar, badly in need of his help. And it's
widely known that douche never changes anyone else's name, always reads a
post to which he's replying all the way through, and never lies.
He's a superb logician, never resorts to ad hominem attacks, never
introduces red herrings and never changes definitions in mid post.
He's great at mathematics, too.
11/9/2003
My comment:
Sure and the docs and books are all wrong. So are the kids that laugh at
your knowledge of medical knowledge.
You are right and they all are wrong.
Dukes reply
Yeah, that's pretty much the case. But you are really are so easy.
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| User: "Vic Sagerquist" |
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| Title: Re: did catholics practice cannibalism? |
09 May 2005 12:20:27 AM |
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On 08 May 2005, duke dropped trou, farted, whirled, then shouted:
On Sun, 08 May 2005 21:32:54 GMT, "Mike Painter"
<mddotpainter@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
If you were a Catholic, used "symbolically" and were sincere it would
mean excommunication for you.
The Catholic Church says that the wine and bread *are* the blood and
body, there is no symbolism involved.
Why it continues to look like bread and wine is a mystery.
Because Jesus at the last supper changed the substance of bread and
wine into the substance of his Body and Blood all the while remaining
under the visual, taste, and texture of the substance of bread and
wine.
So you have to pretend, right? But if you get caught pretending, your out.
It's kind of like the Emperor's New Clothes then, isn't it?
God can do that, you know.
Can god make my dog talk? You claim to be on speaking terms with him,
right? Can you tell him to make my dog speak human language? Any of them,
I have four. He's omniscient, he knows where I live. If one of my dogs
starts speaking human language (not "tongues") I'll believe in your god.
--
Vic Sagerquist
aa#2011
Supervisor, EAC Department of little adhesive-backed "L" shaped
chrome-plastic doo-dads to add feet to Jesus fish department
Plonked by Jason Gastrich for all eternity...
Lovingly plonked by Roger Pearse
______________
"I'm sickened by all religions. Religion has divided people. I don't think
there's any difference between the pope wearing a large hat and parading
around with a smoking purse and an African painting his face white and
praying to a rock."
[Howard Stern]
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| User: "duke" |
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| Title: Re: did catholics practice cannibalism? |
09 May 2005 05:29:22 AM |
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On Mon, 09 May 2005 00:20:27 -0500, Vic Sagerquist <address@withheld.com> wrote:
Because Jesus at the last supper changed the substance of bread and
wine into the substance of his Body and Blood all the while remaining
under the visual, taste, and texture of the substance of bread and
wine.
So you have to pretend, right? But if you get caught pretending, your out.
It's the new covenant.
God can do that, you know.
Can god make my dog talk? You claim to be on speaking terms with him,
right? Can you tell him to make my dog speak human language? Any of them,
I have four. He's omniscient, he knows where I live. If one of my dogs
starts speaking human language (not "tongues") I'll believe in your god.
Blessed are they that have not seen their dogs talk yet believe.
duke
*****
"The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."
Pope Paul VI
*****
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