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19 Feb 2007 09:28:04 AM |
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Did Darwin Write About His Own Death? |
On Feb 18, 4:44 am, "cormac" <cormac.brada...@hotmail.com> wrote:
Your title sums up your circular argument.
There is no independent evidence of the existence of Moses. So alleged
prophecies ascribed to him are irrelevant.
There is no Gospel according to Jesus Christ. Any evidence of his
existence is hearsay.
If Jesus wrote a "Gospel" according to Himself.
He would have to talk about his own death and resurrection
and his ascending to heaven.
Will you believe that?
You are in error. The Gospel is not a written book.
If you are alluding to Jesus life story, it is just
Jesus' life as the Messiah/Christ of Israel and NOT the Gospel.
Did Darwin write about his own death? What you know about
Darwin death - Eternal damnation be upon him - has been
related to you by somebody else and not Darwin himself.
Why do you request a different standard from Jesus?
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19 Feb 2007 11:26:18 AM |
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"codebreaker@bigsecret.com" <Codebreaker@bigsecret.com> wrote in message
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On Feb 18, 4:44 am, "cormac" <cormac.brada...@hotmail.com> wrote:
Your title sums up your circular argument.
There is no independent evidence of the existence of Moses. So alleged
prophecies ascribed to him are irrelevant.
There is no Gospel according to Jesus Christ. Any evidence of his
existence is hearsay.
If Jesus wrote a "Gospel" according to Himself.
He would have to talk about his own death and resurrection
and his ascending to heaven.
Will you believe that?
You are in error. The Gospel is not a written book.
If you are alluding to Jesus life story, it is just
Jesus' life as the Messiah/Christ of Israel and NOT the Gospel.
Did Darwin write about his own death? What you know about
Darwin death - Eternal damnation be upon him - has been
related to you by somebody else and not Darwin himself.
Why do you request a different standard from Jesus?
Darwin was a known scientist substantiated by thousands of uninvolved
persons, the Press and
thousands of printed documents.
Jesus is myth and fable perpetuated by church leaders to impress and control
their flocks.
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| User: "bob young" |
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19 Feb 2007 10:27:01 PM |
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Bill M wrote:
"codebreaker@bigsecret.com" <Codebreaker@bigsecret.com> wrote in message
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On Feb 18, 4:44 am, "cormac" <cormac.brada...@hotmail.com> wrote:
Your title sums up your circular argument.
There is no independent evidence of the existence of Moses. So alleged
prophecies ascribed to him are irrelevant.
There is no Gospel according to Jesus Christ. Any evidence of his
existence is hearsay.
If Jesus wrote a "Gospel" according to Himself.
He would have to talk about his own death and resurrection
and his ascending to heaven.
Will you believe that?
You are in error. The Gospel is not a written book.
If you are alluding to Jesus life story, it is just
Jesus' life as the Messiah/Christ of Israel and NOT the Gospel.
Did Darwin write about his own death? What you know about
Darwin death - Eternal damnation be upon him - has been
related to you by somebody else and not Darwin himself.
Why do you request a different standard from Jesus?
Darwin was a known scientist substantiated by thousands of uninvolved
persons, the Press and
thousands of printed documents.
Jesus is myth and fable perpetuated by church leaders to impress and control
their flocks.
Well i reckon that should be clear enough for anyone !
"So much blood has been shed by the Church because of an omission from the
Gospel: "Ye
shall be indifferent as to what your neighbor's religion is." Not merely
tolerant of it,
but indifferent to it. Divinity is claimed for many religions; but no religion
is great
enough or divine enough to add that new law to its code."
[Mark Twain, a Biography]
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19 Feb 2007 12:11:46 PM |
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On Feb 19, 12:26 pm, "Bill M" <w...@bellsouth.net> wrote:
"codebrea...@bigsecret.com" <Codebrea...@bigsecret.com> wrote in message
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On Feb 18, 4:44 am, "cormac" <cormac.brada...@hotmail.com> wrote:
Your title sums up your circular argument.
There is no independent evidence of the existence of Moses. So alleged
prophecies ascribed to him are irrelevant.
There is no Gospel according to Jesus Christ. Any evidence of his
existence is hearsay.
If Jesus wrote a "Gospel" according to Himself.
He would have to talk about his own death and resurrection
and his ascending to heaven.
Will you believe that?
You are in error. The Gospel is not a written book.
If you are alluding to Jesus life story, it is just
Jesus' life as the Messiah/Christ of Israel and NOT the Gospel.
Did Darwin write about his own death? What you know about
Darwin death - Eternal damnation be upon him - has been
related to you by somebody else and not Darwin himself.
Why do you request a different standard from Jesus?
Darwin was a known scientist substantiated by thousands of uninvolved
persons, the Press and
thousands of printed documents.
Jesus is myth and fable perpetuated by church leaders to impress and control
their flocks.- Hide quoted text -
There was no question of Jesus existence in first Century Jerusalem.
He was substantiated by thousand uninvolved jurists, doctors of Law
theologians and millions of followers at that time.
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| User: "abracadabra" |
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19 Feb 2007 02:07:06 PM |
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<copycat@yeayea.com> wrote in message
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On Feb 19, 12:26 pm, "Bill M" <w...@bellsouth.net> wrote:
"codebrea...@bigsecret.com" <Codebrea...@bigsecret.com> wrote in message
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On Feb 18, 4:44 am, "cormac" <cormac.brada...@hotmail.com> wrote:
Your title sums up your circular argument.
There is no independent evidence of the existence of Moses. So alleged
prophecies ascribed to him are irrelevant.
There is no Gospel according to Jesus Christ. Any evidence of his
existence is hearsay.
If Jesus wrote a "Gospel" according to Himself.
He would have to talk about his own death and resurrection
and his ascending to heaven.
Will you believe that?
You are in error. The Gospel is not a written book.
If you are alluding to Jesus life story, it is just
Jesus' life as the Messiah/Christ of Israel and NOT the Gospel.
Did Darwin write about his own death? What you know about
Darwin death - Eternal damnation be upon him - has been
related to you by somebody else and not Darwin himself.
Why do you request a different standard from Jesus?
Darwin was a known scientist substantiated by thousands of uninvolved
persons, the Press and
thousands of printed documents.
Jesus is myth and fable perpetuated by church leaders to impress and
control
their flocks.- Hide quoted text -
There was no question of Jesus existence in first Century Jerusalem.
While the person might have existed, his name wasn't even "Jesus".
He was substantiated by thousand uninvolved jurists, doctors of Law
theologians and millions of followers at that time.
Utter *****. Nobody could have had "millions of followers" at the time
just walking around and talking to people. Think before you post!
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19 Feb 2007 03:09:45 PM |
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On Feb 19, 3:07 pm, "abracadabra" <a...@hotmail.com> wrote:
<copy...@yeayea.com> wrote in message
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On Feb 19, 12:26 pm, "Bill M" <w...@bellsouth.net> wrote:
"codebrea...@bigsecret.com" <Codebrea...@bigsecret.com> wrote in message
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On Feb 18, 4:44 am, "cormac" <cormac.brada...@hotmail.com> wrote:
Your title sums up your circular argument.
There is no independent evidence of the existence of Moses. So alleged
prophecies ascribed to him are irrelevant.
There is no Gospel according to Jesus Christ. Any evidence of his
existence is hearsay.
If Jesus wrote a "Gospel" according to Himself.
He would have to talk about his own death and resurrection
and his ascending to heaven.
Will you believe that?
You are in error. The Gospel is not a written book.
If you are alluding to Jesus life story, it is just
Jesus' life as the Messiah/Christ of Israel and NOT the Gospel.
Did Darwin write about his own death? What you know about
Darwin death - Eternal damnation be upon him - has been
related to you by somebody else and not Darwin himself.
Why do you request a different standard from Jesus?
Darwin was a known scientist substantiated by thousands of uninvolved
persons, the Press and
thousands of printed documents.
Jesus is myth and fable perpetuated by church leaders to impress and
control
their flocks.- Hide quoted text -
There was no question of Jesus existence in first Century Jerusalem.
While the person might have existed, his name wasn't even "Jesus".
This baseless specualation. I don't deal with speculations
He was substantiated by thousand uninvolved jurists, doctors of Law
theologians and millions of followers at that time.
Utter *****. Nobody could have had "millions of followers" at the time
just walking around and talking to people. Think before you post!- Hide quoted text -
You are still thinking of Jesus of Nazareth in Judea
I am talking now about him as the Christ after resurrection.
So from the time of the Church father up to
the Council of Constantinople, of course
it is possible to be close to that number
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| User: "abracadabra" |
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19 Feb 2007 03:55:56 PM |
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"codebreaker@bigsecret.com" <Codebreaker@bigsecret.com> wrote in message
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On Feb 19, 3:07 pm, "abracadabra" <a...@hotmail.com> wrote:
<copy...@yeayea.com> wrote in message
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On Feb 19, 12:26 pm, "Bill M" <w...@bellsouth.net> wrote:
"codebrea...@bigsecret.com" <Codebrea...@bigsecret.com> wrote in
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On Feb 18, 4:44 am, "cormac" <cormac.brada...@hotmail.com> wrote:
Your title sums up your circular argument.
There is no independent evidence of the existence of Moses. So
alleged
prophecies ascribed to him are irrelevant.
There is no Gospel according to Jesus Christ. Any evidence of his
existence is hearsay.
If Jesus wrote a "Gospel" according to Himself.
He would have to talk about his own death and resurrection
and his ascending to heaven.
Will you believe that?
You are in error. The Gospel is not a written book.
If you are alluding to Jesus life story, it is just
Jesus' life as the Messiah/Christ of Israel and NOT the Gospel.
Did Darwin write about his own death? What you know about
Darwin death - Eternal damnation be upon him - has been
related to you by somebody else and not Darwin himself.
Why do you request a different standard from Jesus?
Darwin was a known scientist substantiated by thousands of uninvolved
persons, the Press and
thousands of printed documents.
Jesus is myth and fable perpetuated by church leaders to impress and
control
their flocks.- Hide quoted text -
There was no question of Jesus existence in first Century Jerusalem.
While the person might have existed, his name wasn't even "Jesus".
This baseless specualation. I don't deal with speculations
Not baseless - "Jesus" is the Greek interpretation of his name you fool. Did
Jesus speak Greek?
He was substantiated by thousand uninvolved jurists, doctors of Law
theologians and millions of followers at that time.
Utter *****. Nobody could have had "millions of followers" at the time
just walking around and talking to people. Think before you post!- Hide
quoted text -
You are still thinking of Jesus of Nazareth in Judea
I am talking now about him as the Christ after resurrection.
And he didn't have "millions of followers" for a long time after his death.
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| User: "Llanzlan Klazmon the 15th" |
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19 Feb 2007 02:57:05 PM |
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wrote in
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On Feb 19, 12:26 pm, "Bill M" <w...@bellsouth.net> wrote:
"codebrea...@bigsecret.com" <Codebrea...@bigsecret.com> wrote in
message
news:1171898884.229018.140760@q2g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
On Feb 18, 4:44 am, "cormac" <cormac.brada...@hotmail.com> wrote:
Your title sums up your circular argument.
There is no independent evidence of the existence of Moses. So
alleged prophecies ascribed to him are irrelevant.
There is no Gospel according to Jesus Christ. Any evidence of his
existence is hearsay.
If Jesus wrote a "Gospel" according to Himself.
He would have to talk about his own death and resurrection
and his ascending to heaven.
Will you believe that?
You are in error. The Gospel is not a written book.
If you are alluding to Jesus life story, it is just
Jesus' life as the Messiah/Christ of Israel and NOT the Gospel.
Did Darwin write about his own death? What you know about
Darwin death - Eternal damnation be upon him - has been
related to you by somebody else and not Darwin himself.
Why do you request a different standard from Jesus?
Darwin was a known scientist substantiated by thousands of uninvolved
persons, the Press and
thousands of printed documents.
Jesus is myth and fable perpetuated by church leaders to impress and
control their flocks.- Hide quoted text -
There was no question of Jesus existence in first Century Jerusalem.
He was substantiated by thousand uninvolved jurists, doctors of Law
theologians and millions of followers at that time.
Then cite such evidence. In actuality there is only one such contemporary
citation which is the mention by Josephus. The so called 'testemonium
flavium' which is a clear fourth century forged insertion into Josephus'
writings.
Klazmon
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| User: "Al Klein" |
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20 Feb 2007 04:46:11 PM |
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On 20 Feb 2007 09:57:05 +1300, Llanzlan Klazmon the 15th
<Klazmon@llurdiaxorb.govt> wrote:
In actuality there is only one such contemporary
citation which is the mention by Josephus. The so called 'testemonium
flavium' which is a clear fourth century forged insertion into Josephus'
writings.
Which are not contemporaneous with Jesus.
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| User: "bob young" |
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19 Feb 2007 10:29:01 PM |
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wrote:
On Feb 19, 12:26 pm, "Bill M" <w...@bellsouth.net> wrote:
"codebrea...@bigsecret.com" <Codebrea...@bigsecret.com> wrote in message
news:1171898884.229018.140760@q2g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
On Feb 18, 4:44 am, "cormac" <cormac.brada...@hotmail.com> wrote:
Your title sums up your circular argument.
There is no independent evidence of the existence of Moses. So alleged
prophecies ascribed to him are irrelevant.
There is no Gospel according to Jesus Christ. Any evidence of his
existence is hearsay.
If Jesus wrote a "Gospel" according to Himself.
He would have to talk about his own death and resurrection
and his ascending to heaven.
Will you believe that?
You are in error. The Gospel is not a written book.
If you are alluding to Jesus life story, it is just
Jesus' life as the Messiah/Christ of Israel and NOT the Gospel.
Did Darwin write about his own death? What you know about
Darwin death - Eternal damnation be upon him - has been
related to you by somebody else and not Darwin himself.
Why do you request a different standard from Jesus?
Darwin was a known scientist substantiated by thousands of uninvolved
persons, the Press and
thousands of printed documents.
Jesus is myth and fable perpetuated by church leaders to impress and control
their flocks.- Hide quoted text -
There was no question of Jesus existence in first Century Jerusalem.
He was substantiated by thousand uninvolved jurists, doctors of Law
theologians and millions of followers at that time.
IDIOT - what does anyone know of these claimed people so long ago?
Anyone writing a myth will add his 'proofs', which in turn are myths
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| User: "Hatter" |
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19 Feb 2007 02:32:28 PM |
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On Feb 19, 1:11 pm, wrote:
On Feb 19, 12:26 pm, "Bill M" <w...@bellsouth.net> wrote:
"codebrea...@bigsecret.com" <Codebrea...@bigsecret.com> wrote in message
news:1171898884.229018.140760@q2g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
On Feb 18, 4:44 am, "cormac" <cormac.brada...@hotmail.com> wrote:
Your title sums up your circular argument.
There is no independent evidence of the existence of Moses. So alleged
prophecies ascribed to him are irrelevant.
There is no Gospel according to Jesus Christ. Any evidence of his
existence is hearsay.
If Jesus wrote a "Gospel" according to Himself.
He would have to talk about his own death and resurrection
and his ascending to heaven.
Will you believe that?
You are in error. The Gospel is not a written book.
If you are alluding to Jesus life story, it is just
Jesus' life as the Messiah/Christ of Israel and NOT the Gospel.
Did Darwin write about his own death? What you know about
Darwin death - Eternal damnation be upon him - has been
related to you by somebody else and not Darwin himself.
Why do you request a different standard from Jesus?
Darwin was a known scientist substantiated by thousands of uninvolved
persons, the Press and
thousands of printed documents.
Jesus is myth and fable perpetuated by church leaders to impress and control
their flocks.- Hide quoted text -
There was no question of Jesus existence in first Century Jerusalem.
He was substantiated by thousand uninvolved jurists, doctors of Law
theologians and millions of followers at that time.
Really?, please name one carbon dated peice of paper of a 1rst hand
account from an eyewitness in the 1rst century that isn't highly
contested.
Hatter
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| User: "Hatter" |
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19 Feb 2007 02:53:22 PM |
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On Feb 19, 10:28 am, "codebrea...@bigsecret.com"
<Codebrea...@bigsecret.com> wrote:
On Feb 18, 4:44 am, "cormac" <cormac.brada...@hotmail.com> wrote:
Your title sums up your circular argument.
There is no independent evidence of the existence of Moses. So alleged
prophecies ascribed to him are irrelevant.
There is no Gospel according to Jesus Christ. Any evidence of his
existence is hearsay.
If Jesus wrote a "Gospel" according to Himself.
He would have to talk about his own death and resurrection
and his ascending to heaven.
Will you believe that?
You are in error. The Gospel is not a written book.
If you are alluding to Jesus life story, it is just
Jesus' life as the Messiah/Christ of Israel and NOT the Gospel.
Did Darwin write about his own death? What you know about
Darwin death - Eternal damnation be upon him - has been
related to you by somebody else and not Darwin himself.
Why do you request a different standard from Jesus?
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Lets see:
We have photographs
A painting from early in his life
We have the exact location of his grave in Westminster Abbey's
graveyard(Near Newton)
His pistol
His bible
His sextant
Actual specimens he collected, include specimens critical to the
development of his theory, such as the original fossil skull of a
hoofed mammal, Toxodon platensis, that he collected on the Beagle
expedition and later discussed with colleagues.
Notebooks he wrote in, in his hand writing(
http://darwin-online.org.uk/content/frameset?itemID=CC-T.1.2&viewtype=side&pageseq=1
)
Some living family members
Accounts from those who met, and disagreed with the man, in their hand
Letters, including those of a completely mundane, day to day nature
Versus:
Nothing tangible at all, except a barest mention about followers from
about early 2nd century
I think I truly do use the same standard of proof. A historical Jesus
is unsubstantiated, Darwin is.
Hatter
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20 Feb 2007 06:21:09 PM |
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On Feb 19, 7:28 am, "codebrea...@bigsecret.com"
<Codebrea...@bigsecret.com> wrote:
On Feb 18, 4:44 am, "cormac" <cormac.brada...@hotmail.com> wrote:
Your title sums up your circular argument.
There is no independent evidence of the existence of Moses. So alleged
prophecies ascribed to him are irrelevant.
There is no Gospel according to Jesus Christ. Any evidence of his
existence is hearsay.
If Jesus wrote a "Gospel" according to Himself.
He would have to talk about his own death and resurrection
and his ascending to heaven.
Will you believe that?
You are in error. The Gospel is not a written book.
If you are alluding to Jesus life story, it is just
Jesus' life as the Messiah/Christ of Israel and NOT the Gospel.
Did Darwin write about his own death? What you know about
Darwin death - Eternal damnation be upon him - has been
related to you by somebody else and not Darwin himself.
Why do you request a different standard from Jesus?
Even more to the point than the fact that we have far more reliable
information on the life and death of Darwin than we do for Jesus (and
than we do for just about anybody else that lived around the time of
Jesus) is this far more important fact: the scientific evidence for
the theory of evolution has ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to do with the facts of
Darwin's death (or life). If Darwin turns out to be buried somewhere
other than we think; if we find out that Darwin was illegitimate, and
his biological father is not who we think it is; if Darwin had
children who we don't know about, and turns out to have more living
descendents than we thought; if Darwin died of a different cause than
we have believed...
.... none of that has anything to do with whether the theory of
evolution is supported by the scientific evidence or not!
Religious extremists tend to think that everybody sees "significant
people" the way that they do: saints, or demon-possessed, or whatever.
Darwin was not a messiah, not a saint, not a prophet, except in the
most metaphorical of ways. The personal details of his biography have
very little impact on evolutionary theory. He was a brillaint
scientist; he made meticulous observations, and produced a scientific
theory that explained them and (here's the important thing from a
scientific point of view) explained many other things as well,
including observations that were made after he created his theory.
But there have been thousands and thousands as many times more
observations made since he died that bear out the theory even more
strongly than his did. And in some cases led to amplifications or
alterations in the theory, again based on observations. This is how
science works. The theory of evolution does not in any way depend on
Darwin's life, on his death, or on whether or not he rose again.
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19 Feb 2007 02:46:34 PM |
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On Feb 19, 9:28 am, "codebrea...@bigsecret.com"
<Codebrea...@bigsecret.com> wrote:
On Feb 18, 4:44 am, "cormac" <cormac.brada...@hotmail.com> wrote:
Your title sums up your circular argument.
There is no independent evidence of the existence of Moses. So alleged
prophecies ascribed to him are irrelevant.
There is no Gospel according to Jesus Christ. Any evidence of his
existence is hearsay.
If Jesus wrote a "Gospel" according to Himself.
He would have to talk about his own death and resurrection
and his ascending to heaven.
Will you believe that?
You are in error. The Gospel is not a written book.
If you are alluding to Jesus life story, it is just
Jesus' life as the Messiah/Christ of Israel and NOT the Gospel.
Did Darwin write about his own death? What you know about
Darwin death - Eternal damnation be upon him - has been
related to you by somebody else and not Darwin himself.
Why do you request a different standard from Jesus?
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What's your problem with Darwin, loon? The Origin of the Species is a
highly scientific summary of, primarily, insect, plant and bird
adaptations to their environments. It doesn't even say anything about
men being descened from apes. Darwin was aware he had no proof of
that, so he didn't claim it. Why don't you read his work before you
damn him for eternity, loon?
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| User: "Mettas Mother" |
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19 Feb 2007 03:22:26 PM |
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Are you saying that Darwin did not say it and therefore it is not so!?
"Jerry Kraus" <jkraus_1999@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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What's your problem with Darwin, loon? The Origin of the Species is a
highly scientific summary of, primarily, insect, plant and bird
adaptations to their environments. It doesn't even say anything about
men being descened from apes. Darwin was aware he had no proof of
that, so he didn't claim it. Why don't you read his work before you
damn him for eternity, loon?
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