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"Truth Hunter" |
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13 Nov 2004 10:05:29 AM |
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Did God laugh with the sinners? |
Did God laugh with the sinners?
If Jesus is God, why can't he exist in the presence of sin?
When i see statements like this by Christian. "God can't abide sin".
Sin can't exist in God presence." However, unless you believe that
everyone around Jesus was sinless or that Jesus wasn't God, God in the
form of Jesus was in the presence of sin. Jesus ate.laugh and drank
with sinners (tax collectors, prostitutes)
Jesus is still God, as far as I can understand. Jesus appeared after
his resurrection, supposedly, to sinful people. Why can't Jesus (God)
be in the presence of sin now, when according to the New Testament he
was both before and after his resurrection?
Jesus somehow managed to live with people who supposedly willingly
continued in sin, though. Right? For thirty-three years he somehow
managed to live in Palestine with tons of sinful/rebellious people.
One would think, based on this, that maybe Jesus/God could live with
sinners in the afterlife too?
This world is full of sin, so by your logic, God can't come anywhere
near this world.
If there's an explanation of this, I'd love to hear it.
http://www.jewsforjudaism.org/web/faq/faq-tr.html
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| User: "The Apostle" |
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| Title: Re: Did God laugh with the sinners? |
13 Nov 2004 02:42:12 PM |
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"Truth Hunter" wrote in message
Did God laugh with the sinners?
God in the
form of Jesus was in the presence of sin. Jesus ate.laugh and drank
with sinners (tax collectors, prostitutes)
Tell us Truth Hunter, where did Jesus eat, laugh and drink with a
prostitute?
Can you quote a chapter and verse??
And where were Tax collectors called sinners??
Just asking.
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| User: "Dore" |
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13 Nov 2004 09:15:47 PM |
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"The Apostle" <nobler@accesswave.ca> wrote in message
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Tell us Truth Hunter, where did Jesus eat, laugh and drink with a
prostitute?
Can you quote a chapter and verse??
She was repentant.
Luke 7:37-39
37 And, behold, a woman in the city, which was a sinner, when she knew that
Jesus sat at meat in the Pharisee's house, brought an alabaster box of
ointment,
38 And stood at his feet behind him weeping, and began to wash his feet with
tears, and did wipe them with the hairs of her head, and kissed his feet,
and anointed them with the ointment.
39 Now when the Pharisee which had bidden him saw it, he spake within
himself, saying, This man, if he were a prophet, would have known who and
what manner of woman this is that toucheth him: for she is a sinner.
KJV
cont
And where were Tax collectors called sinners??
Matt 9:10
10 And it came to pass, as Jesus sat at meat in the house, behold, many
publicans and sinners came and sat down with him and his disciples.
KJV
Matt 18:17
17 And if he shall neglect to hear them, tell it unto the church: but if he
neglect to hear the church, let him be unto thee as an heathen man and a
publican.
KJV
Luke 18:13
13 And the publican, standing afar off, would not lift up so much as his
eyes unto heaven, but smote upon his breast, saying, God be merciful to me a
sinner.
KJV
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Dore
www.dorewilliamson.com
"The Apostle" <nobler@accesswave.ca> wrote in message
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"Truth Hunter" wrote in message
Did God laugh with the sinners?
God in the
form of Jesus was in the presence of sin. Jesus ate.laugh and drank
with sinners (tax collectors, prostitutes)
Tell us Truth Hunter, where did Jesus eat, laugh and drink with a
prostitute?
Can you quote a chapter and verse??
And where were Tax collectors called sinners??
Just asking.
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| User: "ChuckkPF" |
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| Title: Re: Did God laugh with the sinners? |
13 Nov 2004 10:30:10 AM |
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"Truth Hunter" <hunter77099@yahoo.com> wrote in message
Did God laugh with the sinners?
God is completely lacking in any sense of humor whatsover.
He's very quick to get angry and has a big problem with jealousy.
If Jesus is God, why can't he exist in the presence of sin?
Well, if the story is true, Jesus himself seemed to rather enjoy the
presence of sinners, staying in their homes and partying with them.
He was in no way like his Father, the dour, sour, disciplinarian
hiding in His heavenly lair.
When i see statements like this by Christian. "God can't abide sin".
Sin can't exist in God presence." However, unless you believe that
everyone around Jesus was sinless or that Jesus wasn't God, God in the
form of Jesus was in the presence of sin. Jesus ate.laugh and drank
with sinners (tax collectors, prostitutes)
Yes, He did. However, you're asking questions that Christians will only
shrug off as "mysteries." They can only give you answers requiring
magical thinking instead of logic.
Jesus is still God, as far as I can understand. Jesus appeared after
his resurrection, supposedly, to sinful people. Why can't Jesus (God)
be in the presence of sin now, when according to the New Testament he
was both before and after his resurrection?
<sigh> it's just one of those mysteries again.
Jesus somehow managed to live with people who supposedly willingly
continued in sin, though. Right? For thirty-three years he somehow
managed to live in Palestine with tons of sinful/rebellious people.
One would think, based on this, that maybe Jesus/God could live with
sinners in the afterlife too?
Well, Jesus's father is an entirely different personality, about as anal
as you can get. The old man thinks nothing of burning people alive
for eternity or wiping out entire civilizations as casually as one might
swat a fly. Jesus would get all depressed out it and maybe cry a little
bit, the old man just wipes the blood off his sword and then goes and
cuts off another infidel's head.
This world is full of sin, so by your logic, God can't come anywhere
near this world.
Well, that's one explanation as to why we've not seen hide or hair of
Jahweh for thousands of years.
If there's an explanation of this, I'd love to hear it.
The only explanations you'll get will be special pleading, or magical
nonsense.
DIVINE INSANITY
God killed himself on the cross to save his own creation from his own
wrath !
DIVINE INCEST
God got his own mother pregnant with Himself!
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| User: "Therion Ware" |
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| Title: Re: Did God laugh with the sinners? |
14 Nov 2004 01:37:19 AM |
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On Sat, 13 Nov 2004 16:30:10 GMT in alt.atheism, ChuckkPF ("ChuckkPF"
<nospam1c@nospam2.com>) said, directing the reply to alt.atheism
"Truth Hunter" <hunter77099@yahoo.com> wrote in message
Did God laugh with the sinners?
God is completely lacking in any sense of humor whatsover.
He's very quick to get angry and has a big problem with jealousy.
And of course, being omniscient, he *always* knows what the
punchline's going to be.
[SNIP]
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| User: "Dore" |
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13 Nov 2004 09:05:33 PM |
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"ChuckkPF" <nospam1c@nospam2.com> wrote in message
news:mEqld.15368$7i4.2389@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net...
God is completely lacking in any sense of humor whatsover.
He's very quick to get angry and has a big problem with jealousy.
Both the Father and I have a great sense of humor, and do laugh at what we
consider humorous, however, because the world is SO full of evil, and we
have to endure and bear so much of it, our anger is also realized. We don't
have a big problem with jealousy, we just prefer our creation to appreciate
and respect what we have done and given and not give our glory to others,
who did NOTHING.
cont
Well, if the story is true, Jesus himself seemed to rather enjoy the
presence of sinners, staying in their homes and partying with them.
He was in no way like his Father, the dour, sour, disciplinarian
hiding in His heavenly lair.
No, it was a burden and very painful dwelling with sinners. I endured it
because I had to, to teach them the ways and will of God. I made the best of
what I had to deal with. And I suggest you be very careful what you say
about the Father, for it is very clear that you don't KNOW HIM whatsoever
and I will NOT tolerate such blatant disrespect, dishonor and arrogance
against Him. The Father is the most wonderful, amazing, awesome, loving,
intelligent, wise, knowledgeable, powerful, majestic, awesome and great
person, and you are DUNG and slime, so go back under the rock that you
crawled out of.
cont
Yes, He did. However, you're asking questions that Christians will only
shrug off as "mysteries." They can only give you answers requiring
magical thinking instead of logic.
Logic? You evil ones are so ignorant, stupid and foolish, that logic and
reason is beyond you.
cont
Well, Jesus's father is an entirely different personality, about as anal
as you can get. The old man thinks nothing of burning people alive
for eternity or wiping out entire civilizations as casually as one might
swat a fly. Jesus would get all depressed out it and maybe cry a little
bit, the old man just wipes the blood off his sword and then goes and
cuts off another infidel's head.
You know what, EVIL people like you DESERVE to be burned alive and screaming
in hell in horrific torments for speaking this way about your Creator. It is
called JUSTICE. And I am happy to throw YOU into hell to be beaten, abused
and tortured by devils and demons and never blink an eye about it just for
speaking about my Father with your arrogant disrespect.
cont
Well, that's one explanation as to why we've not seen hide or hair of
Jahweh for thousands of years.
And YOU will NEVER see Him. I, on the other hand, see Him continuously.
cont
DIVINE INSANITY
God killed himself on the cross to save his own creation from his own
wrath !
DIVINE INCEST
God got his own mother pregnant with Himself!
YOU are a complete and utter moron, who understands nothing, because you are
evil.
--
Dore
www.dorewilliamson.com
"ChuckkPF" <nospam1c@nospam2.com> wrote in message
news:mEqld.15368$7i4.2389@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net...
"Truth Hunter" <hunter77099@yahoo.com> wrote in message
Did God laugh with the sinners?
God is completely lacking in any sense of humor whatsover.
He's very quick to get angry and has a big problem with jealousy.
If Jesus is God, why can't he exist in the presence of sin?
Well, if the story is true, Jesus himself seemed to rather enjoy the
presence of sinners, staying in their homes and partying with them.
He was in no way like his Father, the dour, sour, disciplinarian
hiding in His heavenly lair.
When i see statements like this by Christian. "God can't abide sin".
Sin can't exist in God presence." However, unless you believe that
everyone around Jesus was sinless or that Jesus wasn't God, God in the
form of Jesus was in the presence of sin. Jesus ate.laugh and drank
with sinners (tax collectors, prostitutes)
Yes, He did. However, you're asking questions that Christians will only
shrug off as "mysteries." They can only give you answers requiring
magical thinking instead of logic.
Jesus is still God, as far as I can understand. Jesus appeared after
his resurrection, supposedly, to sinful people. Why can't Jesus (God)
be in the presence of sin now, when according to the New Testament he
was both before and after his resurrection?
<sigh> it's just one of those mysteries again.
Jesus somehow managed to live with people who supposedly willingly
continued in sin, though. Right? For thirty-three years he somehow
managed to live in Palestine with tons of sinful/rebellious people.
One would think, based on this, that maybe Jesus/God could live with
sinners in the afterlife too?
Well, Jesus's father is an entirely different personality, about as anal
as you can get. The old man thinks nothing of burning people alive
for eternity or wiping out entire civilizations as casually as one might
swat a fly. Jesus would get all depressed out it and maybe cry a little
bit, the old man just wipes the blood off his sword and then goes and
cuts off another infidel's head.
This world is full of sin, so by your logic, God can't come anywhere
near this world.
Well, that's one explanation as to why we've not seen hide or hair of
Jahweh for thousands of years.
If there's an explanation of this, I'd love to hear it.
The only explanations you'll get will be special pleading, or magical
nonsense.
DIVINE INSANITY
God killed himself on the cross to save his own creation from his own
wrath !
DIVINE INCEST
God got his own mother pregnant with Himself!
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| User: "Dave Lister" |
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| Title: Re: Did God laugh with the sinners? |
14 Nov 2004 12:43:04 AM |
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"Dore" <dorewilliamson@verizon.net> wrote in
news:1Yzld.2422$b73.1474@trndny04:
And YOU will NEVER see Him. I, on the other hand, see Him
continuously.
You know, I believe you. They have new drugs that do wonders with your
condition.
--
Bush is not my President.
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| User: "JTEM" |
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14 Nov 2004 01:26:30 AM |
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"Dave Lister" <retsildivad33@hotmail.com> wrote
You know, I believe you. They have new drugs that do
wonders with your condition.
Wow. You're doctor really said that to you?
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| User: "Dave Lister" |
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14 Nov 2004 11:34:22 AM |
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"JTEM" <gymraven@hotmail.com> wrote in news:TPydnSm7GpqPmgrcRVn-
3Q@comcast.com:
"Dave Lister" <retsildivad33@hotmail.com> wrote
You know, I believe you. They have new drugs that do
wonders with your condition.
Wow. You're doctor really said that to you?
No, loon, you're(sic) doctor said that to you.
--
Bush is not my President.
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| User: "JTEM" |
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14 Nov 2004 06:02:48 PM |
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"Dave Lister" <retsildivad33@hotmail.com> wrote
No, loon,
Did Jesus tell you to say that?
I guess that's okay, because it was *Your* brand of Jesus...
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| User: "Dave Lister" |
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14 Nov 2004 06:23:47 PM |
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"JTEM" <gymraven@hotmail.com> wrote in news:R7udnS09KqUPbQrcRVn-
jA@comcast.com:
"Dave Lister" <retsildivad33@hotmail.com> wrote
No, loon,
Did Jesus tell you to say that?
No, loon. Jesus doesn't talk to me. I don't live in Jesusland. I'm sure he
talks to you on a regular basis, in fact, I bet you think you are Jesus.
I guess that's okay, because it was *Your* brand of Jesus...
I think Jesus as a brand has been trademarked by someone else, loon.
--
Bush is not my President.
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| User: "JTEM" |
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14 Nov 2004 11:04:36 PM |
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"Dave Lister" <retsildivad33@hotmail.com> wrote
Jesus doesn't talk to me.
I know that. But I don't believe you when you claim you're
not a fundy.
You're dishonest. You're dishonest like a fundy. What's
more, you're dishonest like a fundy in your religious
dispute against Catholics AND ONLY CATHOLICS.
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| User: "Dave Lister" |
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14 Nov 2004 11:15:32 PM |
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"JTEM" <gymraven@hotmail.com> wrote in news:V5idnTOAmYvSqgXcRVn-
uQ@comcast.com:
"Dave Lister" <retsildivad33@hotmail.com> wrote
Jesus doesn't talk to me.
I know that. But I don't believe you when you claim you're
not a fundy.
Like I care, loon.
You're dishonest. You're dishonest like a fundy. What's
more, you're dishonest like a fundy in your religious
dispute against Catholics AND ONLY CATHOLICS.
The only one dishonest here is you, loon. You have no idea what I think
about born-agains, Mormons, Muslims, Atheists, etc.
One does wonder why you are the chief apologist for the RCC, though.
--
Bush is not my President.
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| User: "JTEM" |
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14 Nov 2004 11:43:16 PM |
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"Dave Lister" <retsildivad33@hotmail.com> wrote
Like I care,
About honesty? No, perish the thought!
You've proven that you don't give a rat's *****.
You're a stupid fundy with an agenda.
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| User: "Dave Lister" |
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14 Nov 2004 11:47:28 PM |
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"JTEM" <gymraven@hotmail.com> wrote in news:fd2dnV_sPLHD3QXcRVn-
iA@comcast.com:
"Dave Lister" <retsildivad33@hotmail.com> wrote
Like I care,
About honesty? No, perish the thought!
No, loon, about your rabid apologies.
You've proven that you don't give a rat's *****.
That is quite true.
You're a stupid fundy with an agenda.
You are a rather pathetic apologist with an unknown reason for rabid
behavior, loon.
--
Bush is not my President.
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| User: "Andrew W \Paranormal Agnostic" |
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14 Nov 2004 02:10:31 AM |
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"Dore" <dorewilliamson@verizon.net> wrote in message
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"ChuckkPF" <nospam1c@nospam2.com> wrote in message
news:mEqld.15368$7i4.2389@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net...
God is completely lacking in any sense of humor whatsover.
He's very quick to get angry and has a big problem with jealousy.
Both the Father and I have a great sense of humor, and do laugh at what we
consider humorous, however, because the world is SO full of evil, and we
have to endure and bear so much of it, our anger is also realized.
If you and the Father were to share just a little of that humour with us
then we would all spend less time arguing about you both and we might have
some chance of getting along with each other and doing some good in the
world.
Consider this: Does a comedian refuse to do any acts because the world is so
evil? No. He does what he does to create harmony so there won't be so much
evil. Why don't you and the Father start doing something instead of just
sitting up there and constantly whining about how bad we humans are? Talk
about lame excuses.
Why don't you persuade your Father to start creating some much needed
harmony in this world so people spend less time arguing over whose god is
better than who's and who's smarter and richer and more powerful than who?
We don't
have a big problem with jealousy, we just prefer our creation to
appreciate
and respect what we have done and given and not give our glory to others,
who did NOTHING.
If you would spend less time trying to gain glory and more time giving love
then you'd get both without any extra effort.
Does a parent have to tell their child to appreciate and respect them?
No, the child usually does it naturally, unless the parent is a bad parent
and mistreats them.
Most people like the idea of having a god and would love him, but you can't
have a god who can never be found when needed and is so hard to communicate
with and who's ways cannot be understood, not to mention who's
semi-autobiography is almost impossible to understand without the services
of an invisible man translator known as the 'Holy Spirit'.
cont
Well, if the story is true, Jesus himself seemed to rather enjoy the
presence of sinners, staying in their homes and partying with them.
He was in no way like his Father, the dour, sour, disciplinarian
hiding in His heavenly lair.
No, it was a burden and very painful dwelling with sinners.
That's not the picture Jesus paints. He apparently did it out of love, and
when one does something out of love it's a pleasure.
And saying that it was a burden being with sinners is like a doctor saying
it's a burden being with the sick. Many doctors and nurse's love their work.
They love helping and healing people.
I endured it
because I had to, to teach them the ways and will of God.
You did it against your will?
You mean you had no free will and you were forced to do what you did?
Your Father sounds like a tyrant.
I made the best of
what I had to deal with. And I suggest you be very careful what you say
about the Father, for it is very clear that you don't KNOW HIM whatsoever
and I will NOT tolerate such blatant disrespect, dishonor and arrogance
against Him. The Father is the most wonderful, amazing, awesome, loving,
intelligent, wise, knowledgeable, powerful, majestic, awesome and great
person, and you are DUNG and slime, so go back under the rock that you
crawled out of.
You talk about God being wonderful, amazing, awesome, loving etc. but your
words and his words reflect anything but love. What I see is coercion,
slavery and general abuse and finger pointing.
You and your Father speak with a fork tongue. You say one thing and do
another.
You advocate love and compassion but then you threaten and curse like a
demon.
Be aware. We know that Lucifer was let loose on this world, and therefore
the god of the bible is likely to be Lucifer, and the bible his book.
The brain users of this world will not tolerate much more of this
tomfoolery.
cont
Yes, He did. However, you're asking questions that Christians will only
shrug off as "mysteries." They can only give you answers requiring
magical thinking instead of logic.
Logic? You evil ones are so ignorant, stupid and foolish, that logic and
reason is beyond you.
More verbal abuse from the divine and loving one.
cont
Well, Jesus's father is an entirely different personality, about as anal
as you can get. The old man thinks nothing of burning people alive
for eternity or wiping out entire civilizations as casually as one might
swat a fly. Jesus would get all depressed out it and maybe cry a little
bit, the old man just wipes the blood off his sword and then goes and
cuts off another infidel's head.
You know what, EVIL people like you DESERVE to be burned alive and
screaming
in hell in horrific torments for speaking this way about your Creator.
More threats of violence from our loving and gracious god.
Have you no love?
Why is god so sensitive to small insults? A superior mind shouldn't be fazed
by anything that a small creature can utter, unless he has an ego that can
be bruised.
Lucifer has an ego by the way.
It is
called JUSTICE.
You call it justice to rationalize your god's out of control rage and thirst
for revenge at failing to successfully secure another worship slave.
And I am happy to throw YOU into hell to be beaten, abused
and tortured by devils and demons and never blink an eye about it just for
speaking about my Father with your arrogant disrespect.
Respect has to be earned, it cannot be forced through threats of physical
violence.
Hasn't the Christian god learned that yet? Tisk tisk.
If he wants respect then he should do good things instead of just making
threats and lashing out intermittently with calamities. That's no way to win
friends and influence people. And don't try to say that he's run out of
patience and he's through with being nice because he's been doing all those
bad things right from the start.
cont
Well, that's one explanation as to why we've not seen hide or hair of
Jahweh for thousands of years.
And YOU will NEVER see Him. I, on the other hand, see Him continuously.
Boast noted.
cont
DIVINE INSANITY
God killed himself on the cross to save his own creation from his own
wrath !
DIVINE INCEST
God got his own mother pregnant with Himself!
YOU are a complete and utter moron, who understands nothing, because you
are evil.
No comment required.
--
Andrew W. (Paranormal Agnostic) An interest in the paranormal (spiritual)
but with acknowledgement that it's existence can neither be proved nor
disproved (agnostic).
"How well we know what a profitable superstition this fable of Christ has
been for us." ~ Pope Leo X (1513-1521)
Religion Exposed!
http://members.optusnet.com.au/~ajwerner
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| User: "bob young" |
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| Title: Re: Did God laugh with the sinners? |
13 Nov 2004 10:07:27 PM |
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Dore wrote:
"ChuckkPF" <nospam1c@nospam2.com> wrote in message
news:mEqld.15368$7i4.2389@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net...
God is completely lacking in any sense of humor whatsover.
He's very quick to get angry and has a big problem with jealousy.
Both the Father and I have a great sense of humor,
I find that interesting. From what I see there is nothing humorous in the
bible, please show me where to find it!
and do laugh at what we
consider humorous, however, because the world is SO full of evil, and we
have to endure and bear so much of it, our anger is also realized. We don't
have a big problem with jealousy, we just prefer our creation to appreciate
and respect what we have done and given and not give our glory to others,
who did NOTHING.
cont
Well, if the story is true, Jesus himself seemed to rather enjoy the
presence of sinners, staying in their homes and partying with them.
He was in no way like his Father, the dour, sour, disciplinarian
hiding in His heavenly lair.
No, it was a burden and very painful dwelling with sinners. I endured it
because I had to, to teach them the ways and will of God. I made the best of
what I had to deal with. And I suggest you be very careful what you say
about the Father, for it is very clear that you don't KNOW HIM whatsoever
and I will NOT tolerate such blatant disrespect, dishonor and arrogance
against Him. The Father is the most wonderful, amazing, awesome, loving,
intelligent, wise, knowledgeable, powerful, majestic, awesome and great
person, and you are DUNG and slime, so go back under the rock that you
crawled out of.
cont
Yes, He did. However, you're asking questions that Christians will only
shrug off as "mysteries." They can only give you answers requiring
magical thinking instead of logic.
Logic? You evil ones are so ignorant, stupid and foolish, that logic and
reason is beyond you.
cont
Well, Jesus's father is an entirely different personality, about as anal
as you can get. The old man thinks nothing of burning people alive
for eternity or wiping out entire civilizations as casually as one might
swat a fly. Jesus would get all depressed out it and maybe cry a little
bit, the old man just wipes the blood off his sword and then goes and
cuts off another infidel's head.
You know what, EVIL people like you DESERVE to be burned alive and screaming
in hell in horrific torments for speaking this way about your Creator. It is
called JUSTICE. And I am happy to throw YOU into hell to be beaten, abused
and tortured by devils and demons and never blink an eye about it just for
speaking about my Father with your arrogant disrespect.
cont
Well, that's one explanation as to why we've not seen hide or hair of
Jahweh for thousands of years.
And YOU will NEVER see Him. I, on the other hand, see Him continuously.
cont
DIVINE INSANITY
God killed himself on the cross to save his own creation from his own
wrath !
DIVINE INCEST
God got his own mother pregnant with Himself!
YOU are a complete and utter moron, who understands nothing, because you are
evil.
--
Dore
www.dorewilliamson.com
"ChuckkPF" <nospam1c@nospam2.com> wrote in message
news:mEqld.15368$7i4.2389@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net...
"Truth Hunter" <hunter77099@yahoo.com> wrote in message
Did God laugh with the sinners?
God is completely lacking in any sense of humor whatsover.
He's very quick to get angry and has a big problem with jealousy.
If Jesus is God, why can't he exist in the presence of sin?
Well, if the story is true, Jesus himself seemed to rather enjoy the
presence of sinners, staying in their homes and partying with them.
He was in no way like his Father, the dour, sour, disciplinarian
hiding in His heavenly lair.
When i see statements like this by Christian. "God can't abide sin".
Sin can't exist in God presence." However, unless you believe that
everyone around Jesus was sinless or that Jesus wasn't God, God in the
form of Jesus was in the presence of sin. Jesus ate.laugh and drank
with sinners (tax collectors, prostitutes)
Yes, He did. However, you're asking questions that Christians will only
shrug off as "mysteries." They can only give you answers requiring
magical thinking instead of logic.
Jesus is still God, as far as I can understand. Jesus appeared after
his resurrection, supposedly, to sinful people. Why can't Jesus (God)
be in the presence of sin now, when according to the New Testament he
was both before and after his resurrection?
<sigh> it's just one of those mysteries again.
Jesus somehow managed to live with people who supposedly willingly
continued in sin, though. Right? For thirty-three years he somehow
managed to live in Palestine with tons of sinful/rebellious people.
One would think, based on this, that maybe Jesus/God could live with
sinners in the afterlife too?
Well, Jesus's father is an entirely different personality, about as anal
as you can get. The old man thinks nothing of burning people alive
for eternity or wiping out entire civilizations as casually as one might
swat a fly. Jesus would get all depressed out it and maybe cry a little
bit, the old man just wipes the blood off his sword and then goes and
cuts off another infidel's head.
This world is full of sin, so by your logic, God can't come anywhere
near this world.
Well, that's one explanation as to why we've not seen hide or hair of
Jahweh for thousands of years.
If there's an explanation of this, I'd love to hear it.
The only explanations you'll get will be special pleading, or magical
nonsense.
DIVINE INSANITY
God killed himself on the cross to save his own creation from his own
wrath !
DIVINE INCEST
God got his own mother pregnant with Himself!
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14 Nov 2004 01:30:52 PM |
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Dore wrote:
"ChuckkPF" <nospam1c@nospam2.com> wrote in message
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YOU are a complete and utter moron, who understands nothing, because you are
evil.
Your just completely insane.
from your site.......
And My Father, the Creator and King over all the Universe, brought me
into His presence and said,
"Son,..Reveal Yourself to those on earth."
That's a very serious mental problem you have.
Get professional help...quickly.
--
Jez
'Realism is seductive because once you have accepted the reasonable
notion that you should base your actions on reality, you are too often
led to accept, without much questioning, someone else's version of what
that reality is. It is a crucial act of independent thinking to be
skeptical of someone else's description of reality.'-
Howard Zinn
Skype callto://hellward
NFS Porsche Unleashed, Hot Pursuit 2, Underground.
Yeowww
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13 Nov 2004 09:57:20 PM |
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On 13 Nov 2004, Dore dropped trou, farted, whirled, then shouted:
[inane rant snipped]
YOU are a complete and utter moron, who understands nothing, because
you are evil.
All right, who let the loonies out?
--
Vic Sagerquist
aa#2011
Supervisor, EAC Department of little adhesive-backed "L" shaped
chrome-plastic doo-dads to add feet to Jesus fish department
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13 Nov 2004 10:43:20 PM |
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"Vic Sagerquist" <address@withheld.com> wrote in message
news:Xns95A0CB395FA9Bvicman@216.148.227.77...
On 13 Nov 2004, Dore dropped trou, farted, whirled, then shouted:
[inane rant snipped]
YOU are a complete and utter moron, who understands nothing, because
you are evil.
All right, who let the loonies out?
Ack, I finally plonked that looney dingleberry a while ago :P
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Robyn
Resident Witchypoo
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27 Nov 2004 09:58:24 AM |
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ChuckkPF wrote:
"Truth Hunter" <hunter77099@yahoo.com> wrote in message
Did God laugh with the sinners?
God is completely lacking in any sense of humor whatsover.
My friend, you are "straining at a gnat and swallowing a camel." Christians
believe God has a sense of humor because we are made in His image and
likeness. Humor is part of our human essence.
He's very quick to get angry and has a big problem with jealousy.
Obviously a projection on our part.
If Jesus is God, why can't he exist in the presence of sin?
Well, if the story is true, Jesus himself seemed to rather enjoy the
presence of sinners, staying in their homes and partying with them.
He was in no way like his Father, the dour, sour, disciplinarian
hiding in His heavenly lair.
Au contraire! Jesus was the ultimate corrective to various miskewed notions
about the Father found in the Old Testament. He was the final and full
revelation of what God is really like. Christians don't say Jesus is like
God, but rather God is like Jesus.
When i see statements like this by Christian. "God can't abide sin".
Sin can't exist in God presence."
Let us say that sin becomes most uncomfortable in the presence of God. It
is sin that can't abide God or continue to exist in His presence.
However, unless you believe that
everyone around Jesus was sinless or that Jesus wasn't God, God in the
form of Jesus was in the presence of sin. Jesus ate.laugh and drank
with sinners (tax collectors, prostitutes)
Yes, He did. However, you're asking questions that Christians will only
shrug off as "mysteries." They can only give you answers requiring
magical thinking instead of logic.
Rather they are non sequiturs as to what Christians really believe about
God. Jesus taught that God has a thing for sinners, like the shepherd who
leaves the 99 in the fold and goes out searching for the one lost sheep.
Jesus is still God, as far as I can understand. Jesus appeared after
his resurrection, supposedly, to sinful people. Why can't Jesus (God)
be in the presence of sin now, when according to the New Testament he
was both before and after his resurrection?
<sigh> it's just one of those mysteries again.
Jesus somehow managed to live with people who supposedly willingly
continued in sin, though. Right? For thirty-three years he somehow
managed to live in Palestine with tons of sinful/rebellious people.
One would think, based on this, that maybe Jesus/God could live with
sinners in the afterlife too?
But, of course, but sin is detrimental to your health and well-being. God
has in mind to make you completely whole and well again, no matter how long
it takes.
Well, Jesus's father is an entirely different personality, about as anal
as you can get. The old man thinks nothing of burning people alive
for eternity or wiping out entire civilizations as casually as one might
swat a fly. Jesus would get all depressed out it and maybe cry a little
bit, the old man just wipes the blood off his sword and then goes and
cuts off another infidel's head.
Why don't you consider for once Jesus own understanding of who and what God
is?
This world is full of sin, so by your logic, God can't come anywhere
near this world.
Well, that's one explanation as to why we've not seen hide or hair of
Jahweh for thousands of years.
You choose to ignore the possibility that Jesus is himself the human face
of Yahweh, what God is truly like?
If there's an explanation of this, I'd love to hear it.
It's passed before you many times, but how do you explain the color red to
one who is colorblind?
Denny
The only explanations you'll get will be special pleading, or magical
nonsense.
DIVINE INSANITY
God killed himself on the cross to save his own creation from his own
wrath !
DIVINE INCEST
God got his own mother pregnant with Himself!
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| User: "Al Klein" |
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27 Nov 2004 11:58:56 PM |
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On Sat, 27 Nov 2004 10:58:24 -0500, dgillesp <dgillesp@NOSPAM.net>
said in alt.atheism:
ChuckkPF wrote:
He's very quick to get angry and has a big problem with jealousy.
Obviously a projection on our part.
What part of "I the LORD thy God am a jealous God, " confuses you?
When i see statements like this by Christian. "God can't abide sin".
Sin can't exist in God presence."
Let us say that sin becomes most uncomfortable in the presence of God.
Since 'sin' isn't self-aware, that's not a competent assertion.
However, unless you believe that
everyone around Jesus was sinless or that Jesus wasn't God, God in the
form of Jesus was in the presence of sin. Jesus ate.laugh and drank
with sinners (tax collectors, prostitutes)
Yes, He did. However, you're asking questions that Christians will only
shrug off as "mysteries." They can only give you answers requiring
magical thinking instead of logic.
Rather they are non sequiturs as to what Christians really believe about
God. Jesus taught that God has a thing for sinners
And Christians teach that he can't be in the presence of sin. Since
the two are mutually contradictory assertions, either Jesus, your god
or Christianity is wrong. Since neither Jesus nor your god can be
wrong, ...
But, of course, but sin is detrimental to your health and well-being.
Sin is doing what Christians decide their god doesn't like. (Sin is a
wholly Christian concept.) How is going against the 'desires' of a
mythical figure detrimental to anything?
God has in mind to make you completely whole and well again, no matter how long
it takes.
Even if it means being ultimately just and also torturing you for
eternity for a finite 'crime'.
Why don't you consider for once Jesus own understanding of who and what God
is?
One fictional character 'understanding' another fictional character?
Okay.
This world is full of sin, so by your logic, God can't come anywhere
near this world.
Well, that's one explanation as to why we've not seen hide or hair of
Jahweh for thousands of years.
You choose to ignore the possibility that Jesus is himself the human face
of Yahweh, what God is truly like?
Total non sequitur.
If there's an explanation of this, I'd love to hear it.
It's passed before you many times, but how do you explain the color red to
one who is colorblind?
You mean "how does one who is totally blind explain the color red to
one who is colorblind?" One doesn't try to explain what one doesn't
understand unless one wants to prove himself a fool.
--
"Christians, it is needless to say, utterly detest each other. They slander each
other constantly with the vilest forms of abuse and cannot come to any sort of
agreement in their teachings. Each sect brands its own, fills the head of its own
with deceitful nonsense, and makes perfect little pigs of those it wins over to its
side."
- Celsus On the True Doctrine, translated by R. Joseph Hoffman, Oxford University Press, 1987
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| User: "Fred Stone" |
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27 Nov 2004 01:09:58 PM |
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dgillesp <dgillesp@NOSPAM.net> wrote in
news:41A8A41F.691BC147@NOSPAM.net:
ChuckkPF wrote:
"Truth Hunter" <hunter77099@yahoo.com> wrote in message
Did God laugh with the sinners?
God is completely lacking in any sense of humor whatsover.
My friend, you are "straining at a gnat and swallowing a camel."
Christians believe God has a sense of humor because we are made in His
image and likeness. Humor is part of our human essence.
He's very quick to get angry and has a big problem with jealousy.
Obviously a projection on our part.
You just contradicted yourself. Anger and jealousy are also part of our
human essence, aren't they?
If Jesus is God, why can't he exist in the presence of sin?
Well, if the story is true, Jesus himself seemed to rather enjoy the
presence of sinners, staying in their homes and partying with them.
He was in no way like his Father, the dour, sour, disciplinarian
hiding in His heavenly lair.
Au contraire! Jesus was the ultimate corrective to various miskewed
notions about the Father found in the Old Testament. He was the final
and full revelation of what God is really like. Christians don't say
Jesus is like God, but rather God is like Jesus.
When i see statements like this by Christian. "God can't abide
sin". Sin can't exist in God presence."
Let us say that sin becomes most uncomfortable in the presence of God.
It is sin that can't abide God or continue to exist in His presence.
However, unless you believe that
everyone around Jesus was sinless or that Jesus wasn't God, God in
the form of Jesus was in the presence of sin. Jesus ate.laugh and
drank with sinners (tax collectors, prostitutes)
Yes, He did. However, you're asking questions that Christians will
only shrug off as "mysteries." They can only give you answers
requiring
magical thinking instead of logic.
Rather they are non sequiturs as to what Christians really believe
about God. Jesus taught that God has a thing for sinners, like the
shepherd who leaves the 99 in the fold and goes out searching for the
one lost sheep.
Jesus is still God, as far as I can understand. Jesus appeared
after
his resurrection, supposedly, to sinful people. Why can't Jesus
(God) be in the presence of sin now, when according to the New
Testament he was both before and after his resurrection?
<sigh> it's just one of those mysteries again.
Jesus somehow managed to live with people who supposedly willingly
continued in sin, though. Right? For thirty-three years he somehow
managed to live in Palestine with tons of sinful/rebellious people.
One would think, based on this, that maybe Jesus/God could live
with sinners in the afterlife too?
But, of course, but sin is detrimental to your health and well-being.
God has in mind to make you completely whole and well again, no matter
how long it takes.
Well, Jesus's father is an entirely different personality, about as
anal as you can get. The old man thinks nothing of burning people
alive for eternity or wiping out entire civilizations as casually as
one might swat a fly. Jesus would get all depressed out it and maybe
cry a little bit, the old man just wipes the blood off his sword and
then goes and cuts off another infidel's head.
Why don't you consider for once Jesus own understanding of who and
what God is?
This world is full of sin, so by your logic, God can't come
anywhere near this world.
Well, that's one explanation as to why we've not seen hide or hair of
Jahweh for thousands of years.
You choose to ignore the possibility that Jesus is himself the human
face of Yahweh, what God is truly like?
If there's an explanation of this, I'd love to hear it.
It's passed before you many times, but how do you explain the color
red to one who is colorblind?
First you have to prove to them that they *are* colorblind.
Denny
The only explanations you'll get will be special pleading, or magical
nonsense.
DIVINE INSANITY
God killed himself on the cross to save his own creation from his
own wrath !
DIVINE INCEST
God got his own mother pregnant with Himself!
--
Fred Stone
aa# 1369
Save Your Dixie Cups, The South Will Rise Again!
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| User: "Dore" |
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13 Nov 2004 08:54:02 PM |
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"Truth Hunter" <hunter77099@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:e164e783.0411130805.311c68a8@posting.google.com...
Did God laugh with the sinners?
If Jesus is God, why can't he exist in the presence of sin?
When i see statements like this by Christian. "God can't abide sin".
Sin can't exist in God presence." However, unless you believe that
everyone around Jesus was sinless or that Jesus wasn't God, God in the
form of Jesus was in the presence of sin. Jesus ate.laugh and drank
with sinners (tax collectors, prostitutes)
Jesus is still God, as far as I can understand. Jesus appeared after
his resurrection, supposedly, to sinful people. Why can't Jesus (God)
be in the presence of sin now, when according to the New Testament he
was both before and after his resurrection?
Jesus somehow managed to live with people who supposedly willingly
continued in sin, though. Right? For thirty-three years he somehow
managed to live in Palestine with tons of sinful/rebellious people.
One would think, based on this, that maybe Jesus/God could live with
sinners in the afterlife too?
This world is full of sin, so by your logic, God can't come anywhere
near this world.
If there's an explanation of this, I'd love to hear it.
I was sent to the sinners to teach them about repentance and changing their
hearts and minds to obey and live in the will of God. Living amongst sinners
was a great burden and very painful, as it is for me today, but the work had
to be done and so I did it. The purpose for my walking on the earth was to
teach man how to repent, get right with God, stop sinning and be pure, holy,
righteous and blameless, so that they can be redeemed back into heaven to be
with a HOLY GOD, NO sinners or anyone with iniquity will be allowed within
the gates of heaven in the afterlife, for that was the whole purpose of my
coming and dying on the cross. The Father cannot tolerate sin or evil, and
thus that is why He sent me to bear that burden, and determine who serves
God, is righteous, holy and pure and who does not serve God and is sinful,
wicked and evil, so that I will NOT allow anyone with iniquity or sin near
Him.
--
Dore
www.dorewilliamson.com
"Truth Hunter" <hunter77099@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:e164e783.0411130805.311c68a8@posting.google.com...
Did God laugh with the sinners?
If Jesus is God, why can't he exist in the presence of sin?
When i see statements like this by Christian. "God can't abide sin".
Sin can't exist in God presence." However, unless you believe that
everyone around Jesus was sinless or that Jesus wasn't God, God in the
form of Jesus was in the presence of sin. Jesus ate.laugh and drank
with sinners (tax collectors, prostitutes)
Jesus is still God, as far as I can understand. Jesus appeared after
his resurrection, supposedly, to sinful people. Why can't Jesus (God)
be in the presence of sin now, when according to the New Testament he
was both before and after his resurrection?
Jesus somehow managed to live with people who supposedly willingly
continued in sin, though. Right? For thirty-three years he somehow
managed to live in Palestine with tons of sinful/rebellious people.
One would think, based on this, that maybe Jesus/God could live with
sinners in the afterlife too?
This world is full of sin, so by your logic, God can't come anywhere
near this world.
If there's an explanation of this, I'd love to hear it.
http://www.jewsforjudaism.org/web/faq/faq-tr.html
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14 Nov 2004 02:31:05 AM |
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"Dore" <dorewilliamson@verizon.net> wrote in message
news:eNzld.8204$tI3.2389@trndny01...
"Truth Hunter" <hunter77099@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:e164e783.0411130805.311c68a8@posting.google.com...
This world is full of sin, so by your logic, God can't come anywhere
near this world.
If there's an explanation of this, I'd love to hear it.
I was sent to the sinners to teach them about repentance and changing
their
hearts and minds to obey and live in the will of God.
You can't change someone's heart and mind for them.
A person's heart is one of the few things that is truly theirs.
If you change it for them then it will no longer be their own heart of
hearts.
The best way to do it is to inspire them to change it themselves. Doing it
any other way would violate ones free will by washing their brain to your
way of thinking.
Living amongst sinners
was a great burden and very painful, as it is for me today, but the work
had
to be done and so I did it.
You never had any love for humans in the first place did you? Admit it.
The purpose for my walking on the earth was to
teach man how to repent, get right with God, stop sinning and be pure,
holy,
righteous and blameless, so that they can be redeemed back into heaven to
be
with a HOLY GOD, NO sinners or anyone with iniquity will be allowed within
the gates of heaven in the afterlife, for that was the whole purpose of my
coming and dying on the cross.
The Father cannot tolerate sin or evil, and
The Father cannot tolerate humans and human nature and never could.
Why don't you just come out and say it.
thus that is why He sent me to bear that burden, and determine who serves
God, is righteous, holy and pure and who does not serve God and is sinful,
wicked and evil, so that I will NOT allow anyone with iniquity or sin near
Him.
Your Father needs to learn to become a little more tolerant, otherwise he's
going to continue to be a very lonely old man into eternity.
--
Andrew W. (Paranormal Agnostic) An interest in the paranormal (spiritual)
but with acknowledgement that it's existence can neither be proved nor
disproved (agnostic).
"How well we know what a profitable superstition this fable of Christ has
been for us." ~ Pope Leo X (1513-1521)
Religion Exposed!
http://members.optusnet.com.au/~ajwerner
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14 Nov 2004 01:32:28 PM |
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Dore wrote:
"Truth Hunter" <hunter77099@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:e164e783.0411130805.311c68a8@posting.google.com...
This world is full of sin, so by your logic, God can't come anywhere
near this world.
If there's an explanation of this, I'd love to hear it.
I was sent to the sinners to teach them about repentance and changing their
hearts and minds to obey and live in the will of God.
Reality isn't that hard to live in.
You should try it sometime.
--
Jez
'Realism is seductive because once you have accepted the reasonable
notion that you should base your actions on reality, you are too often
led to accept, without much questioning, someone else's version of what
that reality is. It is a crucial act of independent thinking to be
skeptical of someone else's description of reality.'-
Howard Zinn
Skype callto://hellward
NFS Porsche Unleashed, Hot Pursuit 2, Underground.
Yeowww
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| User: "nobody special" |
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13 Nov 2004 12:56:32 PM |
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"Truth Hunter" <hunter77099@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:e164e783.0411130805.311c68a8@posting.google.com...
Did God laugh with the sinners?
That was Billy Joel.
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| User: "Dore" |
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13 Nov 2004 09:06:26 PM |
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"nobody special" <nospam@4methanks.com> wrote in message
news:ANsld.15286$Gm6.1510@newsread3.news.atl.earthlink.net...
"Truth Hunter" <hunter77099@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:e164e783.0411130805.311c68a8@posting.google.com...
Did God laugh with the sinners?
That was Billy Joel.
HAHAHHAHAA, you see I do have a sense of humor. I thought that this response
was hysterical. Thanks for the laugh!
--
Dore
www.dorewilliamson.com
"nobody special" <nospam@4methanks.com> wrote in message
news:ANsld.15286$Gm6.1510@newsread3.news.atl.earthlink.net...
"Truth Hunter" <hunter77099@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:e164e783.0411130805.311c68a8@posting.google.com...
Did God laugh with the sinners?
That was Billy Joel.
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| User: "The Apostle" |
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15 Nov 2004 08:07:23 PM |
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I asked,
Tell us Truth Hunter, where did Jesus eat, laugh and drink with a
prostitute?
Can you quote a chapter and verse??
And Dore comes back with this:
She was repentant.
Luke 7:37-39
37 And, behold, a woman in the city, which was a sinner, when she knew that
Jesus sat at meat in the Pharisee's house, brought an alabaster box of
ointment,
38 And stood at his feet behind him weeping, and began to wash his feet with
tears, and did wipe them with the hairs of her head, and kissed his feet,
and anointed them with the ointment.
39 Now when the Pharisee which had bidden him saw it, he spake within
himself, saying, This man, if he were a prophet, would have known who and
what manner of woman this is that toucheth him: for she is a sinner.
KJV
I see mention of her being a sinner, but nothing at all about a prostitute??
I know it says that she toucheth hime, but that was wiping his feet with her
hair. I see nothing sexual in this, and certainly no mention of Jesus paying
her.
Nothing about her being a prostitute at all.
Just another inaccurate portrayal from religionists.
Then Dore fives us some quotes about publicans!! I guess we assume a
Publican was a tax collector.
Don't get me wrong, I won't argue that!!
But why was a tax collector a sinner??
Would they still be sinners today??
Interesting.
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| User: "bob young" |
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18 Nov 2004 07:46:58 PM |
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You can never get even a 'titter' out of god, let alone a laugh, because the
primitives who made him up were deadly serious.
No influential females either, except Mary and she was essential to support th
plot of the myth. It was a man's world then, so more proof, if any were needed,
that man was the maker of the myth.
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