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User: "rob wade"
Date: 06 Oct 2005 03:37:17 PM
Object: DID GOD WHACK NEW ORLEANS? A THEOLOGICAL INQUIRY
DID GOD WHACK NEW ORLEANS? A THEOLOGICAL INQUIRY
By Don Feder
Was Katrina a warning - the ultimate wake-up call for a morally
somnolent nation? Even religious conservatives are afraid to speculate,
so successfully have we been cowed by a culture of disbelief.
Regarding the way God works in the world, there are four
possibilities:
1=2E There is no God and everything that happens is the result of the
random collision of molecules.
2=2E There is a God, but he's an absentee landlord. He arranged the
world, including nature, as a self-regulating mechanism, then sat back
and allowed it to function on its own.
3=2E There is a God and he controls everything, down to the minutest
detail. If a certain leaf falls from a particular tree, it's because
he wants that leaf to fall from that tree. (Regarding the actions of
humans, this would seem to negate the concept of free will.)
4=2E There is a God who usually allows nature, or individuals, to follow
their own course or path. But sometimes he intervenes to create a
specific outcome, or to fire a warning shot across the bow of an errant
people. When this happens, we call the result a miracle (thereby
recognizing that it is supernatural) - as when He parted the Red Sea
for the Children of Israel, or when the American Revolution succeeded,
against impossible odds.
Of these theories, the fourth seems the most plausible. And so, it is
not unreasonable to inquire: With the devastation wrought on New
Orleans (and surrounding areas) was God trying to tell us something?
For all of our virtues, modern Americans are almost childlike in their
innocence. Recall that after 9/11, "God Bless America" was on
everyone's lips. (Stickers with the slogan sprouted on bumpers like
wildflowers on the prairie after a spring rain.)
But why exactly should God bless Americans? Are we so special that
we're automatically entitled to His manifold blessings - regardless
of our conduct?
If God can bless, can He also withhold His blessings - remove His
protection from an obstinate, arrogant people? "I have set before
thee life and death, the blessing and the curse. Therefore, choose
life, so that thou mayest live - thou and thy seed" (Deuteronomy
30: 19-20).
Miracles aside, God created humanity in such a way that we punish
ourselves when we behave badly - witness the anarchy that wracked New
Orleans in the aftermath of Katrina: the murders, the rapes, that
assaults, the arson, the elderly nursing home residents left to die as
their alleged caregivers fled. All are the product of society's
exaltation of the individual and of the creation of a culture of
entitlement. We asked for it; we got it.
God to Abraham: "I will bless those who bless you, and curse those
who curse you" (Genesis 12: 1-3). No, this is not just about Israel.
But, consider this: Has there ever been a nation more blessed than
America? Has there ever been a nation better to the Jewish people?
For secularists, the following is coincidence. For the faithful, well,
as Richard Dreyfuss says in "Close Encounters of The Third Kind" --
"I think this means something."
=B7 Katrina hit New Orleans one week to the day after the Sharon
government carried out the forced removal of some 9,500 Jewish
residents of Gaza and parts of Samaria. This was done under pressure
from Washington. ("I will curse those who curse you.") On the day
Katrina made landfall, bodies were being removed from Jewish cemeteries
in Gaza, to prevent Palestinians from desecrating the remains. Israeli
bodies were disinterred; American bodies floated in the streets of New
Orleans.
=B7 9,500 Jews were driven from Gaza. Most are still homeless. Roughly
half-a-million Americans were displaced by Katrina. Based on
America's population ratio with Israel (about 50-to-1) this is
roughly equivalent.
=B7 Numerology is important in traditional Judaism. Each Hebrew letter
is assigned a number value. Many scholars believe the Bible has hidden
codes that can be unlocked by this device. Written in Hebrew, Katrina
has a numerical equivalent of 374. There are two relevant passages that
share this number -- "They did unto thee evil" (Genesis, 50:17)
and "The sea upon land" (Exodus 14:15).
=B7 "Katrina" comes from the Greek meaning "to purify." New
Orleans City Council President Oliver Thomas observed, "Maybe God is
going to cleanse us."
=B7 Katrina hit New Orleans days before the scheduled Southern Decadence
- an annual orgy celebrating alternative death-styles, characterized
by nudity and public copulation. New Orleans Mayor Ray Nagin, welcomed
the freak-fest with the following proclamation: "There is no place
like this on Earth! Southern Decadence XXXII is an exciting event. We
welcome you and know that you can anticipate great food, great music
and great times in New Orleans." Not to mention great sodomy.
=B7 Katrina came close to the fourth anniversary of another national
disaster. On September 11, 2001, 3,000 Americans perished, not from
flood but fire.
=B7 If you're looking for passage from the Bible that seems to
forecast 9/11 -- 3,300 year before planes hit the World Trade Center --
try Deuteronomy, 28:49. Here, God tells the Israelites what will befall
them if they abandon His ways. "The Lord will bring a nation against
thee from far, as the vulture swoopeth down (like a bird of prey
descending on its target) ... a nation whose tongue thou shalt not
understand (how many Americans know Arabic?): a nation of fierce
countenance, that shalt not regard the person of the old, nor show
favor to the young (jihad makes no age or gender distinctions, nor does
it distinguish between soldiers and non-combatants) .... And he shall
besiege thee in all thy gates, until thy high and fortified walls (The
World Trade Center? The Pentagon?), come down, wherein thou didst
trust." Would you like God to buy time on a telecast of Monday night
football to transmit His message?
But most who perished or lost their homes in Katrina, as well as 9/11
victims, were decent. Does God allow the innocent to suffer, along with
the guilty? In the Bible, when Israel sinned, it was punished
collectively -- not just those who offered up their children to Baal,
but children as well.
Responsibility for the actions of the community is a theme of Yom
Kippur. On the Day of Atonement, worshippers publicly confess to a
litany of sins - most of which they didn't personally commit. This
is to acknowledge that we bear a degree of responsibility for the sins
of others. Did we do enough to keep them from straying? Did we allow a
culture where the weak were ensnared? Did we remain silent in the face
of gross iniquity? What sort of leaders did we choose?
Earlier generations of Americans understood this. When war and other
calamities befell the nation, there was serious soul-searching. Our
leaders declared national days of prayer and fasting.
In his Second Inaugural Address, Lincoln allowed that the Civil War
(easily the bloodiest in our history) was America's punishment for
the sin of slavery. Our 16th president declared: "Fondly do we hope,
fervently do we pray, that this mighty scourge of war may speedily pass
away. Yet, if God wills that it continue until ... every drop of blood
drawn with the lash shall be paid with another drawn with the sword, as
was said 3,000 years ago, so still it must be said 'the judgments of
the Lord are true and righteous altogether.'"
Didn't the Great Emancipator know that innocents perished in that
terrible conflict? (Among the casualties, the number who actually owned
slaves was miniscule.) Lincoln - who wasn't religious until later
in life - acknowledged that when God punishes a nation, the guiltless
suffer along with the guilty.
But, fear not, O' smug secularists, Katrina's warning will no more
be heeded than 9/11. Last week, a gaggle of perverts paraded in New
Orleans. Hundreds dead and half-a-million homeless weren't going to
stop them from strutting their stuff.
While waters still swirled in the Big Easy, the California Legislature
became the first in the nation to approve homosexual marriage -
disregarding voters' express wishes. (In a 2000 referendum, 61% of
California voters approved an initiative declaring, "Only marriage
between a man and a woman is valid or recognized in California.") So
powerful is the sodomy lobby that a majority of legislators had no
qualms about defying the people.
Just days ago, the Palestinian Nazis torched Gaza synagogues - in
sort of an Arabian Kristallnacht. And they'll still be rewarded with
millions of dollars in American aid.
And, last week, a U.S. district court in Sacramanto ruled it's
unconstitutional for school children to recite the Pledge of Allegiance
with the words "One nation under God." In Scriptures, God tell us
- time and again - "If you turn your back on me, I will turn my
back on you."
If Katrina was a national wake-up call, the phone just keeps on
ringing - off the wall. It's still sleepy-time down South -- and up
North. As for those of you who get it, keep crying in the wilderness.
It's all we can do.
This column originally was published at GrasstopsUSA.com
.

User: "LC"

Title: Re: DID GOD WHACK NEW ORLEANS? A THEOLOGICAL INQUIRY 06 Oct 2005 03:48:22 PM
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Crossposting halfwit "rob wade" <rob_c_wade_01@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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DID GOD WHACK NEW ORLEANS? A THEOLOGICAL INQUIRY
By Don Feder

<crap flushed>
Here's your response, troll:
<excerpted>
http://www.cadenhead.org/workbench/news/2768/don-feder-works-mysterious-ways
Don Feder Works in Mysterious Ways
By Rogers Cadenhead
"Clearly, Feder doesn't understand the Lord's plan. If God wanted to kill
100,000 gay folk coming into New Orleans, He would have unleashed the Flood
on August 30th during Southern Decadence. He's omnipotent after all.
Instead, God let loose the tempest before the gays arrived - sparing them in
an almost Passover-like way. Why? Because God doesn't hate gay people -
apparently he hates poor people, which is a big switch from his "meek shall
inheret the earth" campaign promise. God is a flip-flopper. That must be the
answer, because otherwise the Almighty unleashed His wrath a day too early,
and who would believe in a God who's useless without His Palm Pilot?"
LC~ Can't decide if author Feder or troll " rob wade" is the bigger moron.
"The more I study religions the more I am convinced that man never
worshipped anything but himself."~ Sir Richard Francis Burton
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User: "The other Donald"

Title: Re: DID GOD WHACK NEW ORLEANS? A THEOLOGICAL INQUIRY 06 Oct 2005 03:48:21 PM
"rob wade" <rob_c_wade_01@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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DID GOD WHACK NEW ORLEANS?
No, dumbass. It was a hurricane.
Hurricanes are huge storms, with lots of wind and rain. They've been hitting
the coast of the United States long before there even *WAS* a United States,
and they will continue to do so long after dumb motherfuckers like you are
gone.
By the way, you worthless troll....<plonk>
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User: "Jude Alexander"

Title: Re: DID GOD WHACK NEW ORLEANS? A THEOLOGICAL INQUIRY 06 Oct 2005 03:56:26 PM
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DID GOD WHACK NEW ORLEANS?

No, dumbass. It was a hurricane.

Hurricanes are huge storms, with lots of wind and rain. They've been

hitting

the coast of the United States long before there even *WAS* a United

States,

and they will continue to do so long after dumb motherfuckers like you are
gone.

By the way, you worthless troll....<plonk>

Are ALL l diseases and natural disasters "God whacking?" You DO find there
are people out there that think so.
.

User: "Johnny"

Title: Re: DID GOD WHACK NEW ORLEANS? A THEOLOGICAL INQUIRY 06 Oct 2005 05:15:40 PM
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DID GOD WHACK NEW ORLEANS?

No, dumbass. It was a hurricane.

Did a hurricane 'whop' New Orleans?
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User: "The Chief Instigator"

Title: Re: DID GOD WHACK NEW ORLEANS? A THEOLOGICAL INQUIRY 06 Oct 2005 06:14:28 PM
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DID GOD WHACK NEW ORLEANS?
No, dumbass. It was a hurricane.

Did a hurricane 'whop' New Orleans?

Do you realy need to put the crack pipe down? (The answer is the same to both
questions.)
--
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chiefinstigator.us.tt/aeros.php (TCI's 2005-06 Houston Aeros)
LAST GAME: Chicago 5, Houston 3 (April 26)
NEXT GAME: Friday, October 7 vs. San Antonio, 7:35
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User: "Robin"

Title: Re: DID GOD WHACK NEW ORLEANS? A THEOLOGICAL INQUIRY 07 Oct 2005 12:58:08 PM
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DID GOD WHACK NEW ORLEANS?

No, dumbass. It was a hurricane.


Did a hurricane 'whop' New Orleans?

Yes dumbass, don't you watch the news?
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User: "Capt. Isotope"

Title: Re: DID GOD WHACK NEW ORLEANS? A THEOLOGICAL INQUIRY 07 Oct 2005 05:06:32 PM
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DID GOD WHACK NEW ORLEANS?

No, dumbass. It was a hurricane.


Did a hurricane 'whop' New Orleans?


Yes dumbass, don't you watch the news?



It was an act of God (according to the Insurance Industry), so praying to God
to prevent it is futile.
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User: "Dennis Kemmerer"

Title: Re: DID GOD WHACK NEW ORLEANS? A THEOLOGICAL INQUIRY 07 Oct 2005 06:19:42 PM
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DID GOD WHACK NEW ORLEANS?

No, dumbass. It was a hurricane.


Did a hurricane 'whop' New Orleans?


Yes dumbass, don't you watch the news?

It was an act of God (according to the Insurance Industry), so praying to
God
to prevent it is futile.

In that context, 'act of god' has a specific non-religious legal definition.
cf
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User: "Raymond"

Title: Re: DID GOD WHACK NEW ORLEANS? A THEOLOGICAL INQUIRY 06 Oct 2005 04:20:27 PM

.No, dumbass. It was a hurricane.

Be glad it was not one of God's real bad days. He could have done worse
than do one of his hurricanes.
See what he has done before when he was really *****.
http://thetruth.hypermart.net/bible/atrocities.htm.
EZ 6:12-13 The Lord says: "... they will fall by the sword, famine and
plague. He that is far away will die of the plague, and he that is near
will fall by the sword, and he that survives and is spared will die of
famine. So will I spend my wrath upon them. And they will know I am the
Lord, when the people lie slain among their idols around their altars,
on every high hill and on all the mountaintops, under every spreading
tree and every leafy oak ...."
.


User: "Steve Knight"

Title: Re: DID GOD WHACK NEW ORLEANS? A THEOLOGICAL INQUIRY 06 Oct 2005 08:32:34 PM
On 6 Oct 2005 13:37:17 -0700, "rob wade" <rob_c_wade_01@yahoo.com>
wrote:

DID GOD WHACK NEW ORLEANS? A THEOLOGICAL INQUIRY
By Don Feder



Was Katrina a warning - the ultimate wake-up call for a morally
somnolent nation? Even religious conservatives are afraid to speculate,
so successfully have we been cowed by a culture of disbelief.

Am I the only one that thinks it's the other way around?
Hasn't it occurred to anyone that these disasters are because we
aren't screwing enough? Or that we aren't drinking enough beer and
eating red meat!? Maybe there aren't enough drugs, abortions, single
mothers or 'good' car commercials.
We all know god is a Republican. We should be spending! Consuming!
What's the point of him coming back if there's still ***** here?
I rest my case. Why don't we get drunk and screw? (sorry Jimmy)
Warlord Steve
BAAWA
www.sonic.net/~wooly
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User: "ריעין ברתון‎/Riain Barton"

Title: Re: WILL GOD WHACK ROB WADE? WE CERTAINLY HOPE SO! 06 Oct 2005 05:23:31 PM
WILL GOD WHACK ROB WADE? WE CERTAINLY HOPE SO!
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DID GOD WHACK NEW ORLEANS? A THEOLOGICAL INQUIRY
By Don Feder
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User: "Ray Fischer"

Title: Re: DID GOD WHACK NEW ORLEANS? A THEOLOGICAL INQUIRY 06 Oct 2005 05:17:04 PM
rob wade <rob_c_wade_01@yahoo.com> wrote:

DID GOD WHACK NEW ORLEANS? A THEOLOGICAL INQUIRY
By Don Feder

Florida. Mississippi. Texas. Louisiania.
Red states.

Was Katrina a warning - the ultimate wake-up call for a morally
somnolent nation? Even religious conservatives are afraid to speculate,

Of course they are.
--
Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net
.

User: "William T. Goat"

Title: Re: DID GOD WHACK NEW ORLEANS? A THEOLOGICAL INQUIRY 06 Oct 2005 07:53:10 PM
rob wade wrote:

DID GOD WHACK NEW ORLEANS? A THEOLOGICAL INQUIRY
By Don Feder



Was Katrina a warning - the ultimate wake-up call for a morally
somnolent nation? Even religious conservatives are afraid to speculate,
so successfully have we been cowed by a culture of disbelief.

Obviously, if God is "whacking" America, He must be mad at Bush. God
clearly wants the soldiers out of Iraq, and He wants us all to convert
to Islam.
That is what you were getting at, right?
Of course, you do realize that morality has nothing to do with belief
in God, right?
--Billy
.
User: "DaveDuister"

Title: Re: DID GOD WHACK NEW ORLEANS? A THEOLOGICAL INQUIRY 08 Oct 2005 12:48:59 PM
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rob wade wrote:

DID GOD WHACK NEW ORLEANS? A THEOLOGICAL INQUIRY
By Don Feder



Was Katrina a warning - the ultimate wake-up call for a morally
somnolent nation? Even religious conservatives are afraid to speculate,
so successfully have we been cowed by a culture of disbelief.


Obviously, if God is "whacking" America, He must be mad at Bush. God
clearly wants the soldiers out of Iraq, and He wants us all to convert
to Islam.

That is what you were getting at, right?

Of course, you do realize that morality has nothing to do with belief
in God, right?

--Billy

Of an interesting note TS Katrina was forming at the same time that the Jews
were being forced from their homes in Gaza, and became Huricane strength the
same day and hour that the last Jew was forced from their home. This is
backed up by various NASA photos of the forming of the hurricane.
God promises that his wrath will be poured out on anyone who goes against
his people. President Bush was pushing for Sharon to pull his people from
Gaza. Is it possible that Mr. Bush lifting America's backing of the Jewish
people.
The bible says that God will protect those who protect his people. A second
interesting fact is that when Great Britain started hardlining Prime
Minister Sharon at the same time the subway attacks happened there.
Is God lifting his and of protection for those countries that are not
backing his people. I think President Bush better start supporting Israel
the way that he used to before God complete removes his protection from
America.
Blessings
.
User: "osprey"

Title: Re: DID GOD WHACK NEW ORLEANS? A THEOLOGICAL INQUIRY 08 Oct 2005 01:01:04 PM
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rob wade wrote:

DID GOD WHACK NEW ORLEANS? A THEOLOGICAL INQUIRY
By Don Feder



Was Katrina a warning - the ultimate wake-up call for a morally
somnolent nation? Even religious conservatives are afraid to speculate,
so successfully have we been cowed by a culture of disbelief.


Obviously, if God is "whacking" America, He must be mad at Bush. God
clearly wants the soldiers out of Iraq, and He wants us all to convert
to Islam.

That is what you were getting at, right?

Of course, you do realize that morality has nothing to do with belief
in God, right?

--Billy



Of an interesting note TS Katrina was forming at the same time that the
Jews
were being forced from their homes in Gaza, and became Huricane strength
the
same day and hour that the last Jew was forced from their home. This is
backed up by various NASA photos of the forming of the hurricane.
God promises that his wrath will be poured out on anyone who goes against
his people. President Bush was pushing for Sharon to pull his people from
Gaza. Is it possible that Mr. Bush lifting America's backing of the
Jewish
people.

The bible says that God will protect those who protect his people. A
second
interesting fact is that when Great Britain started hardlining Prime
Minister Sharon at the same time the subway attacks happened there.

Is God lifting his and of protection for those countries that are not
backing his people. I think President Bush better start supporting Israel
the way that he used to before God complete removes his protection from
America.

Blessings

Interesting points of view. I don't know of God is fullfilling his promise
of wrath or not. I do know that what is happening in Israel right now is
something we need to keep our eyes open to. It appears that all of the
prophecies that are in the bible, yet to be fullfilled, center entirely
around Israel.
Did you read the article a few days ago where Islamic Fundamentalist want to
take over Iraq and form a new Islamic nation? One of the goals mentioned in
their letter was the destruction of Israel.
.
User: "DaveDuister"

Title: Re: DID GOD WHACK NEW ORLEANS? A THEOLOGICAL INQUIRY 08 Oct 2005 03:00:00 PM
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rob wade wrote:

DID GOD WHACK NEW ORLEANS? A THEOLOGICAL INQUIRY
By Don Feder



Was Katrina a warning - the ultimate wake-up call for a morally
somnolent nation? Even religious conservatives are afraid to

speculate,

so successfully have we been cowed by a culture of disbelief.


Obviously, if God is "whacking" America, He must be mad at Bush. God
clearly wants the soldiers out of Iraq, and He wants us all to convert
to Islam.

That is what you were getting at, right?

Of course, you do realize that morality has nothing to do with belief
in God, right?

--Billy



Of an interesting note TS Katrina was forming at the same time that the
Jews
were being forced from their homes in Gaza, and became Huricane strength
the
same day and hour that the last Jew was forced from their home. This is
backed up by various NASA photos of the forming of the hurricane.
God promises that his wrath will be poured out on anyone who goes

against

his people. President Bush was pushing for Sharon to pull his people

from

Gaza. Is it possible that Mr. Bush lifting America's backing of the
Jewish
people.

The bible says that God will protect those who protect his people. A
second
interesting fact is that when Great Britain started hardlining Prime
Minister Sharon at the same time the subway attacks happened there.

Is God lifting his and of protection for those countries that are not
backing his people. I think President Bush better start supporting

Israel

the way that he used to before God complete removes his protection from
America.

Blessings



Interesting points of view. I don't know of God is fullfilling his

promise

of wrath or not. I do know that what is happening in Israel right now is
something we need to keep our eyes open to. It appears that all of the
prophecies that are in the bible, yet to be fullfilled, center entirely
around Israel.

Did you read the article a few days ago where Islamic Fundamentalist want

to

take over Iraq and form a new Islamic nation? One of the goals mentioned

in

their letter was the destruction of Israel.



No I did not read that I will go look for it though. I really believe that
we are going to see more and more things like this in our time. What does
the Bible say, we will see wars, romours of wars, famine, plagues, increased
natural disasters. This is all in prophicy, God said it would happen and I
think we are seeing it starting to come to pass. Even that goal of the new
Islamic nation, the distruction of Israel, amazing really, Israel really is
becoming the burden stone that God said it would.
Great site for prophesy related http://www.raptureready.com it is one of my
favorite sites on the web for end times related news and views.
Blessings
.
User: "osprey"

Title: Re: DID GOD WHACK NEW ORLEANS? A THEOLOGICAL INQUIRY 08 Oct 2005 06:24:45 PM
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rob wade wrote:

DID GOD WHACK NEW ORLEANS? A THEOLOGICAL INQUIRY
By Don Feder



Was Katrina a warning - the ultimate wake-up call for a morally
somnolent nation? Even religious conservatives are afraid to

speculate,

so successfully have we been cowed by a culture of disbelief.


Obviously, if God is "whacking" America, He must be mad at Bush. God
clearly wants the soldiers out of Iraq, and He wants us all to convert
to Islam.

That is what you were getting at, right?

Of course, you do realize that morality has nothing to do with belief
in God, right?

--Billy



Of an interesting note TS Katrina was forming at the same time that the
Jews
were being forced from their homes in Gaza, and became Huricane strength
the
same day and hour that the last Jew was forced from their home. This is
backed up by various NASA photos of the forming of the hurricane.
God promises that his wrath will be poured out on anyone who goes

against

his people. President Bush was pushing for Sharon to pull his people

from

Gaza. Is it possible that Mr. Bush lifting America's backing of the
Jewish
people.

The bible says that God will protect those who protect his people. A
second
interesting fact is that when Great Britain started hardlining Prime
Minister Sharon at the same time the subway attacks happened there.

Is God lifting his and of protection for those countries that are not
backing his people. I think President Bush better start supporting

Israel

the way that he used to before God complete removes his protection from
America.

Blessings



Interesting points of view. I don't know of God is fullfilling his

promise

of wrath or not. I do know that what is happening in Israel right now is
something we need to keep our eyes open to. It appears that all of the
prophecies that are in the bible, yet to be fullfilled, center entirely
around Israel.

Did you read the article a few days ago where Islamic Fundamentalist want

to

take over Iraq and form a new Islamic nation? One of the goals mentioned

in

their letter was the destruction of Israel.



No I did not read that I will go look for it though. I really believe that
we are going to see more and more things like this in our time. What does
the Bible say, we will see wars, romours of wars, famine, plagues, increased
natural disasters. This is all in prophicy, God said it would happen and I
think we are seeing it starting to come to pass. Even that goal of the new
Islamic nation, the distruction of Israel, amazing really, Israel really is
becoming the burden stone that God said it would.

Great site for prophesy related http://www.raptureready.com it is one of my
favorite sites on the web for end times related news and views.

Blessings

I have absolutely no doubt in my mind that we are seeing prophecy being
fullfilled, and if those who doubt this; they will be in for a very
rude awakening. According to prophecy the things that we are seeing
now will only get worse.
Look at what's happening. War, Disease, Natural Disastors, man turning
away from God, churches are falling. This is all prophecy and it's
happening right before our eyes.
One of the signs I remember reading about is Israel giving up some of
it's land and what just happened?
.
User: "David W. Barnes"

Title: Re: DID GOD WHACK NEW ORLEANS? A THEOLOGICAL INQUIRY 08 Oct 2005 07:05:05 PM
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rob wade wrote:

DID GOD WHACK NEW ORLEANS? A THEOLOGICAL INQUIRY
By Don Feder



Was Katrina a warning - the ultimate wake-up call for a morally
somnolent nation? Even religious conservatives are afraid to

speculate,

so successfully have we been cowed by a culture of disbelief.


Obviously, if God is "whacking" America, He must be mad at Bush. God
clearly wants the soldiers out of Iraq, and He wants us all to convert
to Islam.

That is what you were getting at, right?

Of course, you do realize that morality has nothing to do with belief
in God, right?

--Billy



Of an interesting note TS Katrina was forming at the same time that the
Jews
were being forced from their homes in Gaza, and became Huricane strength
the
same day and hour that the last Jew was forced from their home. This is
backed up by various NASA photos of the forming of the hurricane.
God promises that his wrath will be poured out on anyone who goes

against

his people. President Bush was pushing for Sharon to pull his people

from

Gaza. Is it possible that Mr. Bush lifting America's backing of the
Jewish
people.

The bible says that God will protect those who protect his people. A
second
interesting fact is that when Great Britain started hardlining Prime
Minister Sharon at the same time the subway attacks happened there.

Is God lifting his and of protection for those countries that are not
backing his people. I think President Bush better start supporting

Israel

the way that he used to before God complete removes his protection from
America.

Blessings



Interesting points of view. I don't know of God is fullfilling his

promise

of wrath or not. I do know that what is happening in Israel right now is
something we need to keep our eyes open to. It appears that all of the
prophecies that are in the bible, yet to be fullfilled, center entirely
around Israel.

Did you read the article a few days ago where Islamic Fundamentalist want

to

take over Iraq and form a new Islamic nation? One of the goals mentioned

in

their letter was the destruction of Israel.



No I did not read that I will go look for it though. I really believe that
we are going to see more and more things like this in our time. What does
the Bible say, we will see wars, romours of wars, famine, plagues, increased
natural disasters. This is all in prophicy, God said it would happen and I
think we are seeing it starting to come to pass. Even that goal of the new
Islamic nation, the distruction of Israel, amazing really, Israel really is
becoming the burden stone that God said it would.

Great site for prophesy related http://www.raptureready.com it is one of my
favorite sites on the web for end times related news and views.

Blessings


I have absolutely no doubt in my mind that we are seeing prophecy being
fullfilled, and if those who doubt this; they will be in for a very
rude awakening. According to prophecy the things that we are seeing
now will only get worse.

Look at what's happening. War, Disease, Natural Disastors, man turning
away from God, churches are falling. This is all prophecy and it's
happening right before our eyes.

One of the signs I remember reading about is Israel giving up some of
it's land and what just happened?

Osprey (Pictured at http://chiefinstigator.us.tt/spud.php ) gets even
crazier than usual.
.





User: "stone"

Title: Re: DID GOD WHACK NEW ORLEANS? A THEOLOGICAL INQUIRY 07 Oct 2005 09:48:18 PM
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rob wade wrote:

DID GOD WHACK NEW ORLEANS? A THEOLOGICAL INQUIRY
By Don Feder



Was Katrina a warning - the ultimate wake-up call for a morally
somnolent nation? Even religious conservatives are afraid to speculate,
so successfully have we been cowed by a culture of disbelief.


Obviously, if God is "whacking" America, He must be mad at Bush. God
clearly wants the soldiers out of Iraq, and He wants us all to convert
to Islam.

That is what you were getting at, right?

Of course, you do realize that morality has nothing to do with belief
in God, right?

--Billy

I live in New Orleans.
I've been off the internet for about a month; had no electricity for about a
month. I live near the river. The lake pushed water about 500 yards from my
house and there it stopped. They ordered a mandatory evacuation for the
whole city, even the dry areas. Anyone caught in the evacuation areas could
be regarded as a looter. The city was under military law with marines
walking around. However, I believe that according to Federal law a person
has the right to remain on his own property in a disaster. So I stayed.
Mandatory evacuation means if you choose to stay, they will not help you;
you are responsible for yourself and on your own.
I disconnected the phone so the authorities would not know I was there.
I heard the eye wall of hurricaine Katrina over the river. My house was
getting hit with wind gusts around 80 mph, and then I started hearing what
sounded like a popping kind of thunder, like something was being ground up.
It was getting louder, like a train coming, then the sound started getting
softer and it went away.
The dog cathers from the SPCA were grabbing dogs and hauling them away about
every 3 days. They kill dogs. I had a constant sound of helicopters coming
and going for about 4 or 5 days. They also patrolled at night, looking for
looters. I would try to be quiet, and keep my hand over the flashlight so as
not to be seen by the planes and helicopters. It felt like being in a black
out in World War 2, - lights out when a plane is coming.
The marines came through after about a week. I saw them patrolling. They had
absolute authority on city property, the streets and sidewalk. As long as I
stayed on private property they could not legally do me anything. At about 3
am I heard an m-16 fire about 10 shots. I heard someone say Halt, another
morning, and then someone started screaming. I suppose the marines
confronted a looter suspect and threw him to the ground.
If I would have left my house, I could have been arrested or shot at as a
looter suspect. I stayed inside, and stayed quiet.
If someone was knocking on the door or saying anything outside, I would just
put on ear plugs and ear phones over that, knocking out about 50 decibels; I
don't want to know what they said. I was prepared to charge them with
illegal breaking and entering if they would have broken in.
I felt like Anne Frank hiding out from the Nazis in Holland.
Well it is over now, and the neighbors are back.
I believe that New Orleans was flooded as a punishment for sin. New Orleans
used to be called sin city. Mardi Gras is pagan debauchery with drunkeness.
Some of the parades are named after false pagan gods and godesses; one is
named after the devil - endemyon - which is a word for demon in another
language. A few years ago New Orleans hosted the
Southern Decadence Festival with homosexuals flaunting their decadence.
I really believe that what happened to New Orleans is a punishment for the
evil in this city.
Nahum 1:3 The LORD [is] slow to anger, and great in power, and will not at
all acquit [the wicked]: the LORD hath his way in the whirlwind and in the
storm, and the clouds [are] the dust of his feet.
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User: "Robin"

Title: Re: DID GOD WHACK NEW ORLEANS? A THEOLOGICAL INQUIRY 07 Oct 2005 10:55:32 PM
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I really believe that what happened to New Orleans is a punishment for the
evil in this city.

It was a hurricane, not unlike the hurricanes that hit several other coastal
cites every single year. I've been through three in the past two years.
The damage to nawlins was actually less severe than many computer models
predicted for a storm of Katrina's strength and size, and nawlins hasn't
seen a major cane since Billion Dollar Betsy in 1969. If this cane was a
smiting from God, how do you reconcile that with the fact that the center of
debauchery, the French Quarter, went largely unscathed? Did God miss his
target? If so, doesn't that put the whole "infallibility" theory in
question?
.
User: "stone"

Title: Re: DID GOD WHACK NEW ORLEANS? A THEOLOGICAL INQUIRY 08 Oct 2005 08:46:00 PM
Robin wrote in message ...


"stone" <antiaging@ineedhits-mail.com> wrote in message
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I really believe that what happened to New Orleans is a punishment for

the

evil in this city.


It was a hurricane, not unlike the hurricanes that hit several other

coastal

cites every single year. I've been through three in the past two years.
The damage to nawlins was actually less severe than many computer models
predicted for a storm of Katrina's strength and size, and nawlins hasn't
seen a major cane since Billion Dollar Betsy in 1969. If this cane was a
smiting from God, how do you reconcile that with the fact that the center

of

debauchery, the French Quarter, went largely unscathed? Did God miss his
target? If so, doesn't that put the whole "infallibility" theory in
question?

You may not have noticed it, but the hurricaine damage inflicted over the
last season and this season hit mostly the spring break areas from Cozumel,
and Cancun to the east and west coast of Florida along with the beaches on
the pan-handle of Fla..
Katrina hit sin city, New Orleans, the most catholic city in the nation.
Isaiah 55:8 For my thoughts [are] not your thoughts, neither [are] your
ways my ways, saith the LORD.
Isaiah 55:9 For [as] the heavens are higher than the earth, so are my ways
higher than your ways, and my thoughts than your thoughts.
Nahum 1:3 The LORD [is] slow to anger, and great in power, and will not at
all acquit [the wicked]: the LORD hath his way in the whirlwind and in the
storm, and the clouds [are] the dust of his feet.
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User: "Robin"

Title: Re: DID GOD WHACK NEW ORLEANS? A THEOLOGICAL INQUIRY 09 Oct 2005 08:42:58 AM
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Robin wrote in message ...


"stone" <antiaging@ineedhits-mail.com> wrote in message
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I really believe that what happened to New Orleans is a punishment for

the

evil in this city.


It was a hurricane, not unlike the hurricanes that hit several other

coastal

cites every single year. I've been through three in the past two years.
The damage to nawlins was actually less severe than many computer models
predicted for a storm of Katrina's strength and size, and nawlins hasn't
seen a major cane since Billion Dollar Betsy in 1969. If this cane was a
smiting from God, how do you reconcile that with the fact that the center

of

debauchery, the French Quarter, went largely unscathed? Did God miss his
target? If so, doesn't that put the whole "infallibility" theory in
question?



You may not have noticed it, but the hurricaine damage inflicted over the
last season and this season hit mostly the spring break areas from
Cozumel,
and Cancun to the east and west coast of Florida along with the beaches on
the pan-handle of Fla..
Katrina hit sin city, New Orleans, the most catholic city in the nation.

You may not have noticed, but there are many spring break destinations all
along the gulf coast and the east coast. What about Mobile, AL. We've been
hit by three hurrucanes in two years, what is our sin? They are just
hurricanes. To say otherwise is just superstitious *****. It is also
saying that your God is a liar since he supposedly promised you that he
would never use flooding as vengance upon mankind again.
P.S. Katrina did not hit New Orleans. The eye passed 30 miles to the east
of New Orleans. To say that New Orleans was God's target would be to say
that he missed; thereby making the whole infallibility theory null.
.


User: "michael james"

Title: Re: DID GOD WHACK NEW ORLEANS? A THEOLOGICAL INQUIRY 08 Oct 2005 02:01:04 PM
Robin wrote:

"stone" <antiaging@ineedhits-mail.com> wrote in message
news:43473372_6@news1.uncensored-news.com...

I really believe that what happened to New Orleans is a punishment for the
evil in this city.



It was a hurricane, not unlike the hurricanes that hit several other coastal
cites every single year. I've been through three in the past two years.
The damage to nawlins was actually less severe than many computer models
predicted for a storm of Katrina's strength and size, and nawlins hasn't
seen a major cane since Billion Dollar Betsy in 1969. If this cane was a
smiting from God, how do you reconcile that with the fact that the center of
debauchery, the French Quarter, went largely unscathed? Did God miss his
target? If so, doesn't that put the whole "infallibility" theory in
question?


maybe He is going to zap the old quarter with a meteor ? :)
.
User: "Robin"

Title: Re: DID GOD WHACK NEW ORLEANS? A THEOLOGICAL INQUIRY 08 Oct 2005 07:12:47 PM
"michael james" <cadlib_@videotron.ca> wrote in message
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Robin wrote:

"stone" <antiaging@ineedhits-mail.com> wrote in message
news:43473372_6@news1.uncensored-news.com...

I really believe that what happened to New Orleans is a punishment for
the
evil in this city.



It was a hurricane, not unlike the hurricanes that hit several other
coastal cites every single year. I've been through three in the past two
years. The damage to nawlins was actually less severe than many computer
models predicted for a storm of Katrina's strength and size, and nawlins
hasn't seen a major cane since Billion Dollar Betsy in 1969. If this
cane was a smiting from God, how do you reconcile that with the fact that
the center of debauchery, the French Quarter, went largely unscathed?
Did God miss his target? If so, doesn't that put the whole
"infallibility" theory in question?


maybe He is going to zap the old quarter with a meteor ? :)

That would be more appropriate since God supposedly promised mankind that he
would no longer use flood as a weapon of vengance. Next time was supposed
to be fire right?
.
User: "michael james"

Title: Re: DID GOD WHACK NEW ORLEANS? A THEOLOGICAL INQUIRY 08 Oct 2005 09:50:46 PM
Robin wrote:

"michael james" <cadlib_@videotron.ca> wrote in message
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Robin wrote:


"stone" <antiaging@ineedhits-mail.com> wrote in message
news:43473372_6@news1.uncensored-news.com...


I really believe that what happened to New Orleans is a punishment for
the
evil in this city.



It was a hurricane, not unlike the hurricanes that hit several other
coastal cites every single year. I've been through three in the past two
years. The damage to nawlins was actually less severe than many computer
models predicted for a storm of Katrina's strength and size, and nawlins
hasn't seen a major cane since Billion Dollar Betsy in 1969. If this
cane was a smiting from God, how do you reconcile that with the fact that
the center of debauchery, the French Quarter, went largely unscathed?
Did God miss his target? If so, doesn't that put the whole
"infallibility" theory in question?


maybe He is going to zap the old quarter with a meteor ? :)



That would be more appropriate since God supposedly promised mankind that he
would no longer use flood as a weapon of vengance. Next time was supposed
to be fire right?


so i heard, but the only thing that comes close is a world wide nuclear war.
.




User: "Dennis Kemmerer"

Title: Re: DID GOD WHACK NEW ORLEANS? A THEOLOGICAL INQUIRY 08 Oct 2005 12:32:31 PM
"stone" <antiaging@ineedhits-mail.com> wrote in message
news:43473372_6@news1.uncensored-news.com...
[snip]

I believe that New Orleans was flooded as a punishment for sin. New
Orleans

New Orleans was flooded because it's in the path of recurring hurricanes,
and the levee system was overwhemed by this particular storm's strength.
Your mythological voodoo and imaginary diety had nothing to do with it.
[snip religious stupidity]
.
User: "Sid9"

Title: Re: DID GOD WHACK NEW ORLEANS? A THEOLOGICAL INQUIRY 08 Oct 2005 03:56:12 PM
Dennis Kemmerer wrote:

"stone" <antiaging@ineedhits-mail.com> wrote in message
news:43473372_6@news1.uncensored-news.com...

[snip]

I believe that New Orleans was flooded as a punishment for sin. New
Orleans


New Orleans was flooded because it's in the path of recurring
hurricanes, and the levee system was overwhemed by this particular
storm's strength.
Your mythological voodoo and imaginary diety had nothing to do with
it.
[snip religious stupidity]

Looks like Muslim prayer is no more effective than Christian prayer
(earthquake)
.


User: "William T. Goat"

Title: Re: DID GOD WHACK NEW ORLEANS? A THEOLOGICAL INQUIRY 09 Oct 2005 03:33:43 PM
stone wrote:

I believe that New Orleans was flooded as a punishment for sin. New Orleans
used to be called sin city. Mardi Gras is pagan debauchery with drunkeness.
Some of the parades are named after false pagan gods and godesses; one is
named after the devil - endemyon - which is a word for demon in another
language. A few years ago New Orleans hosted the
Southern Decadence Festival with homosexuals flaunting their decadence.
I really believe that what happened to New Orleans is a punishment for the
evil in this city.

Nahum 1:3 The LORD [is] slow to anger, and great in power, and will not at
all acquit [the wicked]: the LORD hath his way in the whirlwind and in the
storm, and the clouds [are] the dust of his feet.

And yet Matthew 5:45 says,
"for he maketh his sun to rise on the evil and on the good, and sendeth
rain on the just and on the unjust."
--Billy
.
User: "Steve Knight"

Title: Re: DID GOD WHACK NEW ORLEANS? A THEOLOGICAL INQUIRY 09 Oct 2005 09:26:27 PM
On 9 Oct 2005 13:33:43 -0700, "William T. Goat" <ericvonl@my-deja.com>
wrote:


stone wrote:

I believe that New Orleans was flooded as a punishment for sin. New Orleans
used to be called sin city. Mardi Gras is pagan debauchery with drunkeness.
Some of the parades are named after false pagan gods and godesses; one is
named after the devil - endemyon - which is a word for demon in another
language. A few years ago New Orleans hosted the
Southern Decadence Festival with homosexuals flaunting their decadence.
I really believe that what happened to New Orleans is a punishment for the
evil in this city.

Nahum 1:3 The LORD [is] slow to anger, and great in power, and will not at
all acquit [the wicked]: the LORD hath his way in the whirlwind and in the
storm, and the clouds [are] the dust of his feet.



And yet Matthew 5:45 says,

"for he maketh his sun to rise on the evil and on the good, and sendeth
rain on the just and on the unjust."

Once again we see the Christian God of Contradiction.
The perfect being that created humans to love it and if they don't,
are tortured for all eternity. The being of perfect love, mercy,
grace, understanding.... everything perfect. But is too stupid to
create humans without 'sin'.
It's always amusing when you brainwashed idiots quote OT warnings
and all the hideous acts your god committed to make a point and then
back pedal to the NT and say it's not like that anymore because of JC.
I guess 'god is unchanging' is right out the window.
Warlord Steve
BAAWA
www.sonic.net/~wooly
.

User: "stone"

Title: Re: DID GOD WHACK NEW ORLEANS? A THEOLOGICAL INQUIRY 10 Oct 2005 01:28:07 PM
William T. Goat wrote in message
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stone wrote:

I believe that New Orleans was flooded as a punishment for sin. New

Orleans

used to be called sin city. Mardi Gras is pagan debauchery with

drunkeness.

Some of the parades are named after false pagan gods and godesses; one is
named after the devil - endemyon - which is a word for demon in another
language. A few years ago New Orleans hosted the
Southern Decadence Festival with homosexuals flaunting their decadence.
I really believe that what happened to New Orleans is a punishment for

the

evil in this city.

Nahum 1:3 The LORD [is] slow to anger, and great in power, and will not

at

all acquit [the wicked]: the LORD hath his way in the whirlwind and in

the

storm, and the clouds [are] the dust of his feet.



And yet Matthew 5:45 says,

"for he maketh his sun to rise on the evil and on the good, and sendeth
rain on the just and on the unjust."

--Billy

And these verses from Amos show that when God punishes the wicked, He will
send drought or lack of rain on them:
Amos 4:7 And also I have withholden the rain from you, when there were yet
three months to the harvest: and I caused it to rain upon one city, and
caused it not to rain upon another city: one piece was rained upon, and the
piece whereupon it rained not withered.
Amos 4:8 So two or three cities wandered unto one city, to drink water;
but they were not satisfied: yet have ye not returned unto me, saith the
LORD.
New Testament scripture:
Acts 11:28 And there stood up one of them named Agabus, and signified by
the Spirit that there should be great dearth throughout all the world: which
came to pass in the days of Claudius Caesar.
You need to look at the whole bible to get the correct understanding of it.
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