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"Truth Hunter" |
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25 Jan 2005 07:42:48 AM |
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Did Jesus commit suicide? |
Did Jesus commit suicide?
He knew where, when, and how he was going to die and did nothing to
stop it, so isn't that technically suicide?
If Jesus did commit suicide, then isn't that a sin?
Christian believe that suicide is a one-way ticket to hell because life
is a precious gift from God. So, I suppose God needs to send himself to
hell for more than three days, just to be fair to those he sent their
for eternity. Either that or separate himself from himself for all
eternity.
Jesus committed suicide or God the Father murdered his own son .Either
way... Murder or suicide... It's a lousy foundation for any religion.
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| User: "Moishe the Molester" |
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25 Jan 2005 06:58:08 PM |
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That will teach him not to try and save the fucking Jews
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" My dog can lick anyone!"
"RS" <rswarts@bu.edu> wrote in message news:ct5np8$6nn$1@news3.bu.edu...
"Truth Hunter" <hunter1234222@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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Did Jesus commit suicide?
He knew where, when, and how he was going to die and did nothing to
stop it, so isn't that technically suicide?
If Jesus did commit suicide, then isn't that a sin?
That is an illogical proof on your behalf.
Jesus knew where, when, and how he was going to die, correct.
You are missing one point, however:
Jesus knew the purpose for his death, as well.
Logical situation:
I know that my child is in danger by an enemy of mine.
The enemy tells me if I let him kill me, he will let my child live.
There is no other way to ensure the safety of my child so I chose death
My child lives.
That isn't suicide, but sacrifice. I sacrifice my own life so that my
child might live. Jesus did the same thing.
You are missing a latter point as well: Jesus isn't dead.
Jesus died for our sins. On the third day after death he arose from the
dead. He is quite well and alive now, beyond limitations of flesh.
On those two points, your argument is rendered invalid.
-RS
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| User: "Vic Sagerquist" |
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25 Jan 2005 09:44:01 AM |
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on 25 Jan 2005 in alt.atheism, RS dropped trou, farted, whirled, then
shouted:
"Truth Hunter" <hunter1234222@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1106660568.356294.199460@c13g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
Did Jesus commit suicide?
He knew where, when, and how he was going to die and did nothing to
stop it, so isn't that technically suicide?
If Jesus did commit suicide, then isn't that a sin?
That is an illogical proof on your behalf.
Jesus knew where, when, and how he was going to die, correct.
You are missing one point, however:
Jesus knew the purpose for his death, as well.
So, then, if you decide to committ suicide is your sin covered if you have
a purpose, such as allowing your wife to collect on your life insurance?
Logical situation:
I know that my child is in danger by an enemy of mine.
The enemy tells me if I let him kill me, he will let my child live.
There is no other way to ensure the safety of my child so I chose
death My child lives.
The problem is, you are trusting your enemy. You'll never know if he was
true to his word.
That isn't suicide, but sacrifice. I sacrifice my own life so that my
child might live. Jesus did the same thing.
And that's not only illogical, it's insane. For one thing, we know for a
fact that man evolved from lower primates. There was no Adam & Eve to have
fallen from grace, therefore there is no need for a savior from original
sin. On the other foot, if the god wanted to save mankind (and he couldn't
have changed his mind about this since he is omniscient), he should not
have created us with free will, or with the ability to do him wrong. As it
stands now, God killed himself on the cross to save his own creation from
his own wrath. Does this really make sense to you?
You are missing a latter point as well: Jesus isn't dead.
He is not alive, therefore he is either quite dead, or, far more likely, he
never existed in the first place.
Jesus died for our sins. On the third day after death he arose from
the dead. He is quite well and alive now, beyond limitations of
flesh.
Gobbledygook. This crap has no meaning to those outside your religion.
And there are plenty of us.
On those two points, your argument is rendered invalid.
Like your religion, in your dreams.
--
Vic Sagerquist
aa#2011
Supervisor, EAC Department of little adhesive-backed "L" shaped
chrome-plastic doo-dads to add feet to Jesus fish department
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Why is it that most of the people who are against abortion are the kind of
people you wouldn't want to ***** in the first place?
--George Carlin
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| User: "DianaC" |
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25 Jan 2005 11:39:44 AM |
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"Vic Sagerquist" <address@withheld.com> wrote in message
news:Xns95E94EE29529Bvicman@127.0.0.1...
on 25 Jan 2005 in alt.atheism, RS dropped trou, farted, whirled, then
shouted:
"Truth Hunter" <hunter1234222@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1106660568.356294.199460@c13g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
Did Jesus commit suicide?
He knew where, when, and how he was going to die and did nothing to
stop it, so isn't that technically suicide?
If Jesus did commit suicide, then isn't that a sin?
That is an illogical proof on your behalf.
Jesus knew where, when, and how he was going to die, correct.
You are missing one point, however:
Jesus knew the purpose for his death, as well.
So, then, if you decide to committ suicide is your sin covered if you have
a purpose, such as allowing your wife to collect on your life insurance?
Logical situation:
I know that my child is in danger by an enemy of mine.
The enemy tells me if I let him kill me, he will let my child live.
There is no other way to ensure the safety of my child so I chose
death My child lives.
The problem is, you are trusting your enemy. You'll never know if he was
true to his word.
No. You can only hope, but you ARE now stretching the boudaries of the
comparison. y'know. The thing is, if you are going to examine a situation
proposed under a specific storyline, you have to use the rules of the
storyline. You would never say, for instance, that Frodo would never have
carried the ring all the way to Mount Doom because there are no hobbits. At
least examine the logic of an action from within it's own framework.
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| User: "Vic Sagerquist" |
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25 Jan 2005 12:04:17 PM |
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on 25 Jan 2005 in alt.atheism, DianaC dropped trou, farted, whirled,
then shouted:
"Vic Sagerquist" <address@withheld.com> wrote in message
news:Xns95E94EE29529Bvicman@127.0.0.1...
on 25 Jan 2005 in alt.atheism, RS dropped trou, farted, whirled, then
shouted:
"Truth Hunter" <hunter1234222@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1106660568.356294.199460@c13g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
Did Jesus commit suicide?
He knew where, when, and how he was going to die and did nothing to
stop it, so isn't that technically suicide?
If Jesus did commit suicide, then isn't that a sin?
That is an illogical proof on your behalf.
Jesus knew where, when, and how he was going to die, correct.
You are missing one point, however:
Jesus knew the purpose for his death, as well.
So, then, if you decide to committ suicide is your sin covered if you
have a purpose, such as allowing your wife to collect on your life
insurance?
Logical situation:
I know that my child is in danger by an enemy of mine.
The enemy tells me if I let him kill me, he will let my child live.
There is no other way to ensure the safety of my child so I chose
death My child lives.
The problem is, you are trusting your enemy. You'll never know if he
was true to his word.
No. You can only hope, but you ARE now stretching the boudaries of the
comparison. y'know. The thing is, if you are going to examine a
situation proposed under a specific storyline, you have to use the
rules of the storyline. You would never say, for instance, that Frodo
would never have carried the ring all the way to Mount Doom because
there are no hobbits. At least examine the logic of an action from
within it's own framework.
That's the argument I would expect from a believer. The problem is,
reality is much more random.
--
Vic Sagerquist
aa#2011
Supervisor, EAC Department of little adhesive-backed "L" shaped
chrome-plastic doo-dads to add feet to Jesus fish department
______________
Why is it that most of the people who are against abortion are the kind of
people you wouldn't want to ***** in the first place?
--George Carlin
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| User: "DianaC" |
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25 Jan 2005 02:04:47 PM |
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"Vic Sagerquist" <address@withheld.com> wrote in message
news:Xns95E966AA97C45vicman@127.0.0.1...
on 25 Jan 2005 in alt.atheism, DianaC dropped trou, farted, whirled,
then shouted:
"Vic Sagerquist" <address@withheld.com> wrote in message
news:Xns95E94EE29529Bvicman@127.0.0.1...
on 25 Jan 2005 in alt.atheism, RS dropped trou, farted, whirled, then
shouted:
"Truth Hunter" <hunter1234222@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1106660568.356294.199460@c13g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
Did Jesus commit suicide?
He knew where, when, and how he was going to die and did nothing to
stop it, so isn't that technically suicide?
If Jesus did commit suicide, then isn't that a sin?
That is an illogical proof on your behalf.
Jesus knew where, when, and how he was going to die, correct.
You are missing one point, however:
Jesus knew the purpose for his death, as well.
So, then, if you decide to committ suicide is your sin covered if you
have a purpose, such as allowing your wife to collect on your life
insurance?
Logical situation:
I know that my child is in danger by an enemy of mine.
The enemy tells me if I let him kill me, he will let my child live.
There is no other way to ensure the safety of my child so I chose
death My child lives.
The problem is, you are trusting your enemy. You'll never know if he
was true to his word.
No. You can only hope, but you ARE now stretching the boudaries of the
comparison. y'know. The thing is, if you are going to examine a
situation proposed under a specific storyline, you have to use the
rules of the storyline. You would never say, for instance, that Frodo
would never have carried the ring all the way to Mount Doom because
there are no hobbits. At least examine the logic of an action from
within it's own framework.
That's the argument I would expect from a believer. The problem is,
reality is much more random.
No, that's the argument you should expect from someone who is trained in
literary analysis. IT doesn't matter WHAT mythology you are examining for
internal consistency; you have to examine it by using it's own rules.
Forget for a moment that people actually believe in this stuff. Examine it
strictly from the POV of someone looking at a storyline in a book...like
examining the reasoning processes of, say, Sherlock Holmes. You would get
more than a little peeved if someone dismissed everything in the book by
saying that there is no such thing as Sherlock Holmes, and the Watsons of
the world would quite rightly thwap you.
Now, if you can show the internal inconsistencies of a story from within
itself, that's fine. But that's not what is being done here, is it?
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| User: "Vic Sagerquist" |
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25 Jan 2005 02:09:59 PM |
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on 25 Jan 2005 in alt.atheism, DianaC dropped trou, farted, whirled,
then shouted:
That's the argument I would expect from a believer. The problem is,
reality is much more random.
No, that's the argument you should expect from someone who is trained
in literary analysis. IT doesn't matter WHAT mythology you are
examining for internal consistency; you have to examine it by using
it's own rules.
Then I made the mistake of comparing it to reality. My bad.
Forget for a moment that people actually believe in this stuff.
Examine it strictly from the POV of someone looking at a storyline in
a book...like examining the reasoning processes of, say, Sherlock
Holmes. You would get more than a little peeved if someone dismissed
everything in the book by saying that there is no such thing as
Sherlock Holmes, and the Watsons of the world would quite rightly
thwap you.
Now, if you can show the internal inconsistencies of a story from
within itself, that's fine. But that's not what is being done here, is
it?
--
Vic Sagerquist
aa#2011
Supervisor, EAC Department of little adhesive-backed "L" shaped
chrome-plastic doo-dads to add feet to Jesus fish department
______________
Why is it that most of the people who are against abortion are the kind of
people you wouldn't want to ***** in the first place?
--George Carlin
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| User: "DianaC" |
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26 Jan 2005 10:22:07 AM |
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"Vic Sagerquist" <address@withheld.com> wrote in message
news:Xns95E97BFA24B77vicman@127.0.0.1...
on 25 Jan 2005 in alt.atheism, DianaC dropped trou, farted, whirled,
then shouted:
That's the argument I would expect from a believer. The problem is,
reality is much more random.
No, that's the argument you should expect from someone who is trained
in literary analysis. IT doesn't matter WHAT mythology you are
examining for internal consistency; you have to examine it by using
it's own rules.
Then I made the mistake of comparing it to reality. My bad.
Never mind the sarcasm, Vic, the answer is "yes. It is". You made the
mistake of comparing it to your reality...as if you honestly expected a
believer to automatically accept yours as better than theirs. That's really
rather stupid, Vic...after all, you don't accept theirs, right? You think
yours is better than theirs, and therefore you are smarter, clearer of
thought, etc., than they are. That makes them inferior thinkers, yes? So
how can you expect them, if they accept THAT reality, to take your word for
anything? Logic says that you will have to deal with their reality in their
terms, if you want to get anywhere.
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| User: "Vic Sagerquist" |
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26 Jan 2005 10:28:49 AM |
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on 26 Jan 2005 in alt.atheism, DianaC dropped trou, farted, whirled,
then shouted:
"Vic Sagerquist" <address@withheld.com> wrote in message
news:Xns95E97BFA24B77vicman@127.0.0.1...
on 25 Jan 2005 in alt.atheism, DianaC dropped trou, farted, whirled,
then shouted:
That's the argument I would expect from a believer. The problem
is, reality is much more random.
No, that's the argument you should expect from someone who is
trained in literary analysis. IT doesn't matter WHAT mythology you
are examining for internal consistency; you have to examine it by
using it's own rules.
Then I made the mistake of comparing it to reality. My bad.
Never mind the sarcasm, Vic, the answer is "yes. It is". You made the
mistake of comparing it to your reality...
And my reality differs from your reality how? Reality is reality. If you
wish to assert that gods are a part of reality, then you should have no
trouble supplying objective evidence.
Insert it here --------->
--
Vic Sagerquist
aa#2011
Supervisor, EAC Department of little adhesive-backed "L" shaped
chrome-plastic doo-dads to add feet to Jesus fish department
______________
Why is it that most of the people who are against abortion are the kind of
people you wouldn't want to ***** in the first place?
--George Carlin
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| User: "Vic Sagerquist" |
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25 Jan 2005 09:50:24 AM |
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on 25 Jan 2005 in alt.atheism, RS dropped trou, farted, whirled, then
shouted:
Logical situation:
I know that my child is in danger by an enemy of mine.
The enemy tells me if I let him kill me, he will let my child live.
There is no other way to ensure the safety of my child so I chose death
My child lives.
So God is your enemy?
--
Vic Sagerquist
aa#2011
Supervisor, EAC Department of little adhesive-backed "L" shaped
chrome-plastic doo-dads to add feet to Jesus fish department
______________
Why is it that most of the people who are against abortion are the kind of
people you wouldn't want to ***** in the first place?
--George Carlin
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| User: "bam" |
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25 Jan 2005 09:29:02 AM |
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"Truth Hunter" <hunter1234222@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1106660568.356294.199460@c13g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
Did Jesus commit suicide?
He knew where, when, and how he was going to die and did nothing to
stop it, so isn't that technically suicide?
No. Suicide is merely killing one's self. If you die in order that others
may live, (such as a soldier who dives on a grenade) that's a sacrifice.
You can't really be that stupid can you? Why not change your name to "brain
hunter" - you seem to be in dire need of one.
BAM
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| User: "Denis Loubet" |
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25 Jan 2005 10:16:20 AM |
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"bam" <mcca5761@bellsouthblahblah.net> wrote in message
news:iAtJd.7038$ky2.4262@bignews4.bellsouth.net...
"Truth Hunter" <hunter1234222@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1106660568.356294.199460@c13g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
Did Jesus commit suicide?
He knew where, when, and how he was going to die and did nothing to
stop it, so isn't that technically suicide?
No. Suicide is merely killing one's self. If you die in order that others
may live, (such as a soldier who dives on a grenade) that's a sacrifice.
But that's not a valid analogy. The guy throwing himself on the grenade
isn't OMNIPOTENT.
You can't really be that stupid can you? Why not change your name to
"brain hunter" - you seem to be in dire need of one.
You can't really be that stupid can you? Why not change your name to "dum" -
it suits you better.
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| User: "bam" |
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25 Jan 2005 01:04:49 PM |
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"Denis Loubet" <dloubet@io.com> wrote
You can't really be that stupid can you? Why not change your name to
"dum" - it suits you better.
Because it's not my name.
BAM
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| User: "Dave Lister" |
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25 Jan 2005 07:35:48 PM |
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"Denis Loubet" <dloubet@io.com> wrote in
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"bam" <mcca5761@bellsouthblahblah.net> wrote in message
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"Truth Hunter" <hunter1234222@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1106660568.356294.199460@c13g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
Did Jesus commit suicide?
He knew where, when, and how he was going to die and did nothing to
stop it, so isn't that technically suicide?
No. Suicide is merely killing one's self. If you die in order that
others may live, (such as a soldier who dives on a grenade) that's a
sacrifice.
But that's not a valid analogy. The guy throwing himself on the
grenade isn't OMNIPOTENT.
You can't really be that stupid can you? Why not change your name to
"brain hunter" - you seem to be in dire need of one.
You can't really be that stupid can you? Why not change your name to
"dum" - it suits you better.
His name is "dunce".
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Bush is not my President.
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| User: "Denis Loubet" |
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25 Jan 2005 01:03:05 PM |
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"Denis Loubet" <dloubet@io.com> wrote in message
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"bam" <mcca5761@bellsouthblahblah.net> wrote in message
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"Truth Hunter" <hunter1234222@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1106660568.356294.199460@c13g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
Did Jesus commit suicide?
He knew where, when, and how he was going to die and did nothing to
stop it, so isn't that technically suicide?
No. Suicide is merely killing one's self. If you die in order that others
may live, (such as a soldier who dives on a grenade) that's a sacrifice.
But that's not a valid analogy. The guy throwing himself on the grenade
isn't OMNIPOTENT.
Nor did the Omnipotent guy throwing himself on the grenade create the enemy
that threw the grenade so that he could throw himself on it.
--
Denis Loubet
dloubet@io.com
http://www.io.com/~dloubet
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26 Jan 2005 01:21:53 AM |
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bam wrote:
"Truth Hunter" <hunter1234222@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1106660568.356294.199460@c13g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
Did Jesus commit suicide?
He knew where, when, and how he was going to die and did nothing to
stop it, so isn't that technically suicide?
No. Suicide is merely killing one's self. If you die in order that others
may live, (such as a soldier who dives on a grenade) that's a sacrifice.
You can't really be that stupid can you? Why not change your name to "brain
hunter" - you seem to be in dire need of one.
BAM
So how does Christ's death figure as a sacrifice?
Jack
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26 Jan 2005 08:27:52 PM |
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"nJb" <NoNHL@all.com> wrote in message news:41F74511.16849B8D@all.com...
bam wrote:
"Truth Hunter" <hunter1234222@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1106660568.356294.199460@c13g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
Did Jesus commit suicide?
He knew where, when, and how he was going to die and did nothing to
stop it, so isn't that technically suicide?
No. Suicide is merely killing one's self. If you die in order that others
may live, (such as a soldier who dives on a grenade) that's a sacrifice.
You can't really be that stupid can you? Why not change your name to
"brain
hunter" - you seem to be in dire need of one.
BAM
So how does Christ's death figure as a sacrifice?
It is THE sacrifice. All other sacrifices are but tiny tiny imitations.
BAM
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| User: "Dave Lister" |
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26 Jan 2005 09:09:49 PM |
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"bam" <mcca5761@bellsouthblahblah.net> wrote in
news:qjYJd.34378$8W4.21894@bignews6.bellsouth.net:
"nJb" <NoNHL@all.com> wrote in message
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bam wrote:
"Truth Hunter" <hunter1234222@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1106660568.356294.199460@c13g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
Did Jesus commit suicide?
He knew where, when, and how he was going to die and did nothing
to stop it, so isn't that technically suicide?
No. Suicide is merely killing one's self. If you die in order that
others may live, (such as a soldier who dives on a grenade) that's a
sacrifice.
You can't really be that stupid can you? Why not change your name to
"brain
hunter" - you seem to be in dire need of one.
BAM
So how does Christ's death figure as a sacrifice?
It is THE sacrifice. All other sacrifices are but tiny tiny
imitations.
What was sacrificed?
--
Bush is not my President.
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26 Jan 2005 10:06:55 PM |
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"Dave Lister" <retsildivad33@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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"bam" <mcca5761@bellsouthblahblah.net> wrote in
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"nJb" <NoNHL@all.com> wrote in message
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bam wrote:
"Truth Hunter" <hunter1234222@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1106660568.356294.199460@c13g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
Did Jesus commit suicide?
He knew where, when, and how he was going to die and did nothing
to stop it, so isn't that technically suicide?
No. Suicide is merely killing one's self. If you die in order that
others may live, (such as a soldier who dives on a grenade) that's a
sacrifice.
You can't really be that stupid can you? Why not change your name to
"brain
hunter" - you seem to be in dire need of one.
BAM
So how does Christ's death figure as a sacrifice?
It is THE sacrifice. All other sacrifices are but tiny tiny
imitations.
What was sacrificed?
Dave guy....you don't get explanations.
BAM
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26 Jan 2005 11:16:56 PM |
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"bam" <mcca5761@bellsouthblahblah.net> wrote in news:hMZJd.35852
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"Dave Lister" <retsildivad33@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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"bam" <mcca5761@bellsouthblahblah.net> wrote in
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"nJb" <NoNHL@all.com> wrote in message
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bam wrote:
"Truth Hunter" <hunter1234222@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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Did Jesus commit suicide?
He knew where, when, and how he was going to die and did nothing
to stop it, so isn't that technically suicide?
No. Suicide is merely killing one's self. If you die in order that
others may live, (such as a soldier who dives on a grenade) that's
a
sacrifice.
You can't really be that stupid can you? Why not change your name
to
"brain
hunter" - you seem to be in dire need of one.
BAM
So how does Christ's death figure as a sacrifice?
It is THE sacrifice. All other sacrifices are but tiny tiny
imitations.
What was sacrificed?
Dave guy....you don't get explanations.
Nothing that makes the slightest sense from your cult I'm sure.
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Bush is not my President.
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| User: "Al Klein" |
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| Title: Re: Did Jesus commit suicide? |
26 Jan 2005 09:51:28 PM |
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On Wed, 26 Jan 2005 00:21:53 -0700, nJb <NoNHL@all.com> said in
alt.atheism:
So how does Christ's death figure as a sacrifice?
He "sacrificed" 3 days (which were really only about 36 hours)?
--
"I received your letter of June 10th. I have never talked to a Jesuit
priest in my life and I am astonished by the audacity to tell such lies
about me. From the viewpoint of a Jesuit priest I am, of course, and
have always been an atheist."
- Albert Einstein to Guy H. Raner Jr, July 2, 1945,
responding to a rumor that a Jesuit priest had caused Einstein
to convert from atheism. Article by Michael R. Gilmore in Skeptic
magazine, Vol. 5, No. 2, 1997
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| User: "bam" |
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| Title: Re: Did Jesus commit suicide? |
26 Jan 2005 10:08:00 PM |
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"Al Klein" <rukbat@pern.invalid> wrote in message
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On Wed, 26 Jan 2005 00:21:53 -0700, nJb <NoNHL@all.com> said in
alt.atheism:
So how does Christ's death figure as a sacrifice?
He "sacrificed" 3 days (which were really only about 36 hours)?
And how many hours do you consider the bare minimum for the redemption of
mankind?
BAM
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| User: "Dave Lister" |
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26 Jan 2005 11:18:08 PM |
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"bam" <mcca5761@bellsouthblahblah.net> wrote in
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"Al Klein" <rukbat@pern.invalid> wrote in message
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On Wed, 26 Jan 2005 00:21:53 -0700, nJb <NoNHL@all.com> said in
alt.atheism:
So how does Christ's death figure as a sacrifice?
He "sacrificed" 3 days (which were really only about 36 hours)?
And how many hours do you consider the bare minimum for the redemption
of mankind?
A couple of weeks? A year or two? Maybe a few thousand years? What was
sacrificed? Was God wearing his Jesus hat unaware during that interval?
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Bush is not my President.
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| User: "bam" |
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27 Jan 2005 09:13:34 AM |
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"Dave Lister" <retsildivad33@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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"bam" <mcca5761@bellsouthblahblah.net> wrote in
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"Al Klein" <rukbat@pern.invalid> wrote in message
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On Wed, 26 Jan 2005 00:21:53 -0700, nJb <NoNHL@all.com> said in
alt.atheism:
So how does Christ's death figure as a sacrifice?
He "sacrificed" 3 days (which were really only about 36 hours)?
And how many hours do you consider the bare minimum for the redemption
of mankind?
A couple of weeks? A year or two? Maybe a few thousand years? What was
sacrificed? Was God wearing his Jesus hat unaware during that interval?
--
Bush is not my President.
Shaddap infidel.
BAM
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| User: "Dave Lister" |
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27 Jan 2005 12:16:03 PM |
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"bam" <mcca5761@bellsouthblahblah.net> wrote in news:1v7Kd.98005
$zy6.78522@bignews5.bellsouth.net:
"Dave Lister" <retsildivad33@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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"bam" <mcca5761@bellsouthblahblah.net> wrote in
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"Al Klein" <rukbat@pern.invalid> wrote in message
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On Wed, 26 Jan 2005 00:21:53 -0700, nJb <NoNHL@all.com> said in
alt.atheism:
So how does Christ's death figure as a sacrifice?
He "sacrificed" 3 days (which were really only about 36 hours)?
And how many hours do you consider the bare minimum for the
redemption
of mankind?
A couple of weeks? A year or two? Maybe a few thousand years? What was
sacrificed? Was God wearing his Jesus hat unaware during that
interval?
Shaddap infidel.
Nice to see you don't know the answers either, Bum.
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Bush is not my President.
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| User: "alt" |
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27 Jan 2005 11:51:19 AM |
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Dave Lister wrote:
"bam" <mcca5761@bellsouthblahblah.net> wrote in
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"Al Klein" <rukbat@pern.invalid> wrote in message
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On Wed, 26 Jan 2005 00:21:53 -0700, nJb <NoNHL@all.com> said in
alt.atheism:
So how does Christ's death figure as a sacrifice?
He "sacrificed" 3 days (which were really only about 36 hours)?
And how many hours do you consider the bare minimum for the redemption
of mankind?
A couple of weeks? A year or two? Maybe a few thousand years? What was
sacrificed? Was God wearing his Jesus hat unaware during that interval?
I'd like to see you be dead for 3 days and then rise again.
The sacrifice isn't that he was dead for 3 days. The sacrifice was that he
died!
--
Donovan Hill
Linux User, Christian, Canadian, and all-around nice guy!
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| User: "Robibnikoff" |
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| Title: Re: Did Jesus commit suicide? |
27 Jan 2005 01:16:48 PM |
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"alt" <spamtrap@lazyeyez.net> wrote in message
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Dave Lister wrote:
"bam" <mcca5761@bellsouthblahblah.net> wrote in
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"Al Klein" <rukbat@pern.invalid> wrote in message
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On Wed, 26 Jan 2005 00:21:53 -0700, nJb <NoNHL@all.com> said in
alt.atheism:
So how does Christ's death figure as a sacrifice?
He "sacrificed" 3 days (which were really only about 36 hours)?
And how many hours do you consider the bare minimum for the redemption
of mankind?
A couple of weeks? A year or two? Maybe a few thousand years? What was
sacrificed? Was God wearing his Jesus hat unaware during that interval?
I'd like to see you be dead for 3 days and then rise again.
The sacrifice isn't that he was dead for 3 days. The sacrifice was that he
died!
And then he comes back as a god and lives forever. Ooooh, some sacrifice.
I call it a mild inconvenience.
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Robyn
Resident Witchypoo
#1557
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| User: "Al Klein" |
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27 Jan 2005 04:54:25 PM |
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On Thu, 27 Jan 2005 14:16:48 -0500, "Robibnikoff"
<witchypoo@broomstick.com> said in alt.atheism:
And then he comes back as a god and lives forever. Ooooh, some sacrifice.
I call it a mild inconvenience.
I call it a nap, Robin.
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"Creationists are the best evidence we have that there is no intelligent design."
-Josef Balluch
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| User: "Milan" |
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27 Jan 2005 05:56:25 PM |
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"bam" <mcca5761@bellsouthblahblah.net> wrote in message
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"Al Klein" <rukbat@pern.invalid> wrote in message
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On Wed, 26 Jan 2005 00:21:53 -0700, nJb <NoNHL@all.com> said in
alt.atheism:
So how does Christ's death figure as a sacrifice?
He "sacrificed" 3 days (which were really only about 36 hours)?
And how many hours do you consider the bare minimum for the redemption of
mankind?
BAM
If your god is going to condemn the "sinners" to eternal damnation, it would
only be fitting that JC would have spent an eternity dead. Anything less
than eternity is a cheap excuse for a sacrifice.
regards
Milan
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| User: "stoney" |
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28 Jan 2005 10:54:04 PM |
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On Thu, 27 Jan 2005 23:56:25 -0000, "Milan" <mtklima@yahoo.com> wrote:
"bam" <mcca5761@bellsouthblahblah.net> wrote in message
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"Al Klein" <rukbat@pern.invalid> wrote in message
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On Wed, 26 Jan 2005 00:21:53 -0700, nJb <NoNHL@all.com> said in
alt.atheism:
So how does Christ's death figure as a sacrifice?
He "sacrificed" 3 days (which were really only about 36 hours)?
And how many hours do you consider the bare minimum for the redemption of
mankind?
BAM
If your god is going to condemn the "sinners" to eternal damnation, it would
only be fitting that JC would have spent an eternity dead. Anything less
than eternity is a cheap excuse for a sacrifice.
It's a cheap god. (shrug)
--
Contempt of Congress meter reading-offscale.
Hello, theocracy with a fundamentalist US Supreme
Court who will ensure church and state are joined
at the hip like clergy and altar boys.
America 1776-Jan 2001 RIP
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| User: "Al Klein" |
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27 Jan 2005 12:25:47 PM |
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On Wed, 26 Jan 2005 23:08:00 -0500, "bam"
<mcca5761@bellsouthblahblah.net> said in alt.atheism:
"Al Klein" <rukbat@pern.invalid> wrote in message
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On Wed, 26 Jan 2005 00:21:53 -0700, nJb <NoNHL@all.com> said in
alt.atheism:
So how does Christ's death figure as a sacrifice?
He "sacrificed" 3 days (which were really only about 36 hours)?
And how many hours do you consider the bare minimum for the redemption of
mankind?
We're talking about whether it was a sacrifice or not. I'd consider
"forever" to be the bare minimum for that. Anything less is merely
inconvenience.
--
"A stupid man's report of what a clever man says is never accurate because he
unconsciously translates what he hears into something he can understand."
-- Bertrand Russell.
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rukbat at verizon dot net
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