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"Truth Hunter" |
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25 Jan 2005 01:42:48 PM |
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Did Jesus commit suicide? |
Did Jesus commit suicide?
He knew where, when, and how he was going to die and did nothing to
stop it, so isn't that technically suicide?
If Jesus did commit suicide, then isn't that a sin?
Christian believe that suicide is a one-way ticket to hell because life
is a precious gift from God. So, I suppose God needs to send himself to
hell for more than three days, just to be fair to those he sent their
for eternity. Either that or separate himself from himself for all
eternity.
Jesus committed suicide or God the Father murdered his own son .Either
way... Murder or suicide... It's a lousy foundation for any religion.
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25 Jan 2005 02:04:29 PM |
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"Truth Hunter" <hunter1234222@yahoo.com> wrote in
news:1106660568.356294.199460@c13g2000cwb.googlegroups.com:
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Jesus committed suicide or God the Father murdered his own son .Either
way... Murder or suicide... It's a lousy foundation for any religion.
Fantasy: the foundation of all religions.
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Woden
"religion is a socio-political system for controlling people's thoughts,
lives and actions based on ancient myths and superstitions, perpetrated
through generations of subtle yet pervasive brainwashing."
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| User: "The Department of Defense" |
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25 Jan 2005 04:43:38 PM |
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"Truth Hunter" <hunter1234222@yahoo.com> wrote in message
Why dont you quit crossposting this crap.... Nobody gives a *****..... at
least take ARI out of your crossposting list....
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| User: "DianaC" |
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25 Jan 2005 05:35:34 PM |
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"Truth Hunter" <hunter1234222@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1106660568.356294.199460@c13g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
Did Jesus commit suicide?
He knew where, when, and how he was going to die and did nothing to
stop it, so isn't that technically suicide?
If Jesus did commit suicide, then isn't that a sin?
Christian believe that suicide is a one-way ticket to hell because life
is a precious gift from God.
ALL Christians believe this, do they? In all cases, for all reasons, no
matter what or how or.....????
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| User: "Vic Sagerquist" |
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25 Jan 2005 06:56:43 PM |
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on 25 Jan 2005 in alt.atheism, DianaC dropped trou, farted, whirled, then
shouted:
"Truth Hunter" <hunter1234222@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1106660568.356294.199460@c13g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
Did Jesus commit suicide?
He knew where, when, and how he was going to die and did nothing to
stop it, so isn't that technically suicide?
If Jesus did commit suicide, then isn't that a sin?
Christian believe that suicide is a one-way ticket to hell because life
is a precious gift from God.
ALL Christians believe this, do they? In all cases, for all reasons, no
matter what or how or.....????
Actually, it's only the Scottish Christians that believe this.
--
Vic Sagerquist
aa#2011
Supervisor, EAC Department of little adhesive-backed "L" shaped
chrome-plastic doo-dads to add feet to Jesus fish department
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Why is it that most of the people who are against abortion are the kind of
people you wouldn't want to ***** in the first place?
--George Carlin
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| User: "DianaC" |
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25 Jan 2005 08:05:36 PM |
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"Vic Sagerquist" <address@withheld.com> wrote in message
news:Xns95E96F8E24B44vicman@127.0.0.1...
on 25 Jan 2005 in alt.atheism, DianaC dropped trou, farted, whirled, then
shouted:
"Truth Hunter" <hunter1234222@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1106660568.356294.199460@c13g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
Did Jesus commit suicide?
He knew where, when, and how he was going to die and did nothing to
stop it, so isn't that technically suicide?
If Jesus did commit suicide, then isn't that a sin?
Christian believe that suicide is a one-way ticket to hell because life
is a precious gift from God.
ALL Christians believe this, do they? In all cases, for all reasons, no
matter what or how or.....????
Actually, it's only the Scottish Christians that believe this.
(falling off chair)...You are quite right!!! (grin)
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| User: "stoney" |
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27 Jan 2005 08:33:12 PM |
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On Tue, 25 Jan 2005 12:56:43 -0600, Vic Sagerquist
<address@withheld.com> wrote:
on 25 Jan 2005 in alt.atheism, DianaC dropped trou, farted, whirled, then
shouted:
"Truth Hunter" <hunter1234222@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1106660568.356294.199460@c13g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
Did Jesus commit suicide?
He knew where, when, and how he was going to die and did nothing to
stop it, so isn't that technically suicide?
If Jesus did commit suicide, then isn't that a sin?
Christian believe that suicide is a one-way ticket to hell because life
is a precious gift from God.
ALL Christians believe this, do they? In all cases, for all reasons, no
matter what or how or.....????
Actually, it's only the Scottish Christians that believe this.
Highlanders or Lowlanders? (wide-eyed innocence)
--
Contempt of Congress meter reading-offscale.
Hello, theocracy with a fundamentalist US Supreme
Court who will ensure church and state are joined
at the hip like clergy and altar boys.
America 1776-Jan 2001 RIP
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| User: "Al Klein" |
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28 Jan 2005 12:17:59 AM |
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On Thu, 27 Jan 2005 12:33:12 -0800, stoney <stoney@the.net> said in
alt.atheism:
On Tue, 25 Jan 2005 12:56:43 -0600, Vic Sagerquist
<address@withheld.com> wrote:
on 25 Jan 2005 in alt.atheism, DianaC dropped trou, farted, whirled, then
shouted:
ALL Christians believe this, do they? In all cases, for all reasons, no
matter what or how or.....????
Actually, it's only the Scottish Christians that believe this.
Highlanders or Lowlanders? (wide-eyed innocence)
Only True Scottish Christians.
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"The whole problem with the world is that fools and fanatics are always so certain of
themselves, but wiser people so full of doubts."
- Bertrand Russell
(random sig, produced by SigChanger)
rukbat at verizon dot net
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| User: "stoney" |
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29 Jan 2005 04:47:45 AM |
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On Fri, 28 Jan 2005 00:17:59 GMT, Al Klein <rukbat@pern.invalid>
wrote:
On Thu, 27 Jan 2005 12:33:12 -0800, stoney <stoney@the.net> said in
alt.atheism:
On Tue, 25 Jan 2005 12:56:43 -0600, Vic Sagerquist
<address@withheld.com> wrote:
on 25 Jan 2005 in alt.atheism, DianaC dropped trou, farted, whirled, then
shouted:
ALL Christians believe this, do they? In all cases, for all reasons, no
matter what or how or.....????
Actually, it's only the Scottish Christians that believe this.
Highlanders or Lowlanders? (wide-eyed innocence)
Only True Scottish Christians.
Ah, down the middle then..... :)
--
Contempt of Congress meter reading-offscale.
Hello, theocracy with a fundamentalist US Supreme
Court who will ensure church and state are joined
at the hip like clergy and altar boys.
America 1776-Jan 2001 RIP
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| User: "RS" |
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25 Jan 2005 03:13:57 PM |
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"Truth Hunter" <hunter1234222@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1106660568.356294.199460@c13g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
Did Jesus commit suicide?
He knew where, when, and how he was going to die and did nothing to
stop it, so isn't that technically suicide?
If Jesus did commit suicide, then isn't that a sin?
That is an illogical proof on your behalf.
Jesus knew where, when, and how he was going to die, correct.
You are missing one point, however:
Jesus knew the purpose for his death, as well.
Logical situation:
I know that my child is in danger by an enemy of mine.
The enemy tells me if I let him kill me, he will let my child live.
There is no other way to ensure the safety of my child so I chose death
My child lives.
That isn't suicide, but sacrifice. I sacrifice my own life so that my child
might live. Jesus did the same thing.
You are missing a latter point as well: Jesus isn't dead.
Jesus died for our sins. On the third day after death he arose from the
dead. He is quite well and alive now, beyond limitations of flesh.
On those two points, your argument is rendered invalid.
-RS
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| User: "Milan" |
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25 Jan 2005 11:39:58 PM |
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"RS" <rswarts@bu.edu> wrote in message news:ct5np8$6nn$1@news3.bu.edu...
"Truth Hunter" <hunter1234222@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1106660568.356294.199460@c13g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
Did Jesus commit suicide?
He knew where, when, and how he was going to die and did nothing to
stop it, so isn't that technically suicide?
If Jesus did commit suicide, then isn't that a sin?
That is an illogical proof on your behalf.
Jesus knew where, when, and how he was going to die, correct.
You are missing one point, however:
Jesus knew the purpose for his death, as well.
Logical situation:
I know that my child is in danger by an enemy of mine.
The enemy tells me if I let him kill me, he will let my child live.
There is no other way to ensure the safety of my child so I chose death
My child lives.
That isn't suicide, but sacrifice. I sacrifice my own life so that my
child
might live. Jesus did the same thing.
You are missing a latter point as well: Jesus isn't dead.
Jesus died for our sins. On the third day after death he arose from the
dead. He is quite well and alive now, beyond limitations of flesh.
On those two points, your argument is rendered invalid.
If you believe in the Trinity story, which says that god and Jesus are the
same person, then, if god sent Jesus to die in the cross, you cannot escape
the obvious conclusion that god committed suicide. And if he came back to
life, and he knew he would, what kind of sacrifice is that?
regards
Milan
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| User: "Ike" |
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26 Jan 2005 01:39:33 AM |
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"Milan" <mtklima@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:35o3t5F4ikmlhU1@individual.net...
"RS" <rswarts@bu.edu> wrote in message news:ct5np8$6nn$1@news3.bu.edu...
"Truth Hunter" <hunter1234222@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1106660568.356294.199460@c13g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
Did Jesus commit suicide?
He knew where, when, and how he was going to die and did nothing to
stop it, so isn't that technically suicide?
If Jesus did commit suicide, then isn't that a sin?
That is an illogical proof on your behalf.
Jesus knew where, when, and how he was going to die, correct.
You are missing one point, however:
Jesus knew the purpose for his death, as well.
Logical situation:
I know that my child is in danger by an enemy of mine.
The enemy tells me if I let him kill me, he will let my child live.
There is no other way to ensure the safety of my child so I chose death
My child lives.
That isn't suicide, but sacrifice. I sacrifice my own life so that my
child
might live. Jesus did the same thing.
You are missing a latter point as well: Jesus isn't dead.
Jesus died for our sins. On the third day after death he arose from the
dead. He is quite well and alive now, beyond limitations of flesh.
On those two points, your argument is rendered invalid.
If you believe in the Trinity story, which says that god and Jesus are the
same person, then, if god sent Jesus to die in the cross, you cannot
escape
the obvious conclusion that god committed suicide. And if he came back to
life, and he knew he would, what kind of sacrifice is that?
regards
Milan
It's a religious Houdini act.
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| User: "Milan" |
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27 Jan 2005 11:52:36 PM |
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"Ike" <accordiondoc@mindspring.com> wrote in message
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"Milan" <mtklima@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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"RS" <rswarts@bu.edu> wrote in message news:ct5np8$6nn$1@news3.bu.edu...
"Truth Hunter" <hunter1234222@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1106660568.356294.199460@c13g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
Did Jesus commit suicide?
He knew where, when, and how he was going to die and did nothing to
stop it, so isn't that technically suicide?
If Jesus did commit suicide, then isn't that a sin?
That is an illogical proof on your behalf.
Jesus knew where, when, and how he was going to die, correct.
You are missing one point, however:
Jesus knew the purpose for his death, as well.
Logical situation:
I know that my child is in danger by an enemy of mine.
The enemy tells me if I let him kill me, he will let my child live.
There is no other way to ensure the safety of my child so I chose
death
My child lives.
That isn't suicide, but sacrifice. I sacrifice my own life so that my
child
might live. Jesus did the same thing.
You are missing a latter point as well: Jesus isn't dead.
Jesus died for our sins. On the third day after death he arose from
the
dead. He is quite well and alive now, beyond limitations of flesh.
On those two points, your argument is rendered invalid.
If you believe in the Trinity story, which says that god and Jesus are
the
same person, then, if god sent Jesus to die in the cross, you cannot
escape
the obvious conclusion that god committed suicide. And if he came back
to
life, and he knew he would, what kind of sacrifice is that?
regards
Milan
It's a religious Houdini act.
Are you suggesting that Houdini did not exist and a bunch of propagandists
made up the story of his life and works?
regards
Milan
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| User: "Ike" |
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28 Jan 2005 02:11:58 AM |
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"Milan" <mtklima@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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"Ike" <accordiondoc@mindspring.com> wrote in message
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"Milan" <mtklima@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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"RS" <rswarts@bu.edu> wrote in message
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"Truth Hunter" <hunter1234222@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1106660568.356294.199460@c13g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
Did Jesus commit suicide?
He knew where, when, and how he was going to die and did nothing
to
stop it, so isn't that technically suicide?
If Jesus did commit suicide, then isn't that a sin?
That is an illogical proof on your behalf.
Jesus knew where, when, and how he was going to die, correct.
You are missing one point, however:
Jesus knew the purpose for his death, as well.
Logical situation:
I know that my child is in danger by an enemy of mine.
The enemy tells me if I let him kill me, he will let my child live.
There is no other way to ensure the safety of my child so I chose
death
My child lives.
That isn't suicide, but sacrifice. I sacrifice my own life so that
my
child
might live. Jesus did the same thing.
You are missing a latter point as well: Jesus isn't dead.
Jesus died for our sins. On the third day after death he arose from
the
dead. He is quite well and alive now, beyond limitations of flesh.
On those two points, your argument is rendered invalid.
If you believe in the Trinity story, which says that god and Jesus are
the
same person, then, if god sent Jesus to die in the cross, you cannot
escape
the obvious conclusion that god committed suicide. And if he came back
to
life, and he knew he would, what kind of sacrifice is that?
regards
Milan
It's a religious Houdini act.
Are you suggesting that Houdini did not exist and a bunch of propagandists
made up the story of his life and works?
regards
Milan
With God all things are possible including that Houdini was the Son of God,
and born from a virgin.
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| User: "Al Klein" |
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29 Jan 2005 11:47:05 PM |
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On Fri, 28 Jan 2005 02:11:58 GMT, "Ike" <accordiondoc@mindspring.com>
said in alt.atheism:
With God all things are possible including that Houdini was the Son of God,
and born from a virgin.
The Christian god is, according to Christianity, so powerful that,
even if he didn't exist, all things would be possible with him.
--
"The United States of America is not in any sense founded on the Christian Religion"
- Treaty of Tripoli, 1797, ratified by Congress
(random sig, produced by SigChanger)
rukbat at verizon dot net
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| User: "Ike" |
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30 Jan 2005 12:09:46 AM |
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"Al Klein" <rukbat@pern.invalid> wrote in message
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On Fri, 28 Jan 2005 02:11:58 GMT, "Ike" <accordiondoc@mindspring.com>
said in alt.atheism:
With God all things are possible including that Houdini was the Son of
God,
and born from a virgin.
The Christian god is, according to Christianity, so powerful that,
even if he didn't exist, all things would be possible with him.
Then could the fact that all things are possible simply be a coincidence?
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| User: "Al Klein" |
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30 Jan 2005 01:00:52 AM |
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On Sun, 30 Jan 2005 00:09:46 GMT, "Ike" <accordiondoc@mindspring.com>
said in alt.atheism:
"Al Klein" <rukbat@pern.invalid> wrote in message
news:h28ov0tehg4q7vi461l0jcp94lfmk42im5@4ax.com...
On Fri, 28 Jan 2005 02:11:58 GMT, "Ike" <accordiondoc@mindspring.com>
said in alt.atheism:
With God all things are possible including that Houdini was the Son of God,
and born from a virgin.
The Christian god is, according to Christianity, so powerful that,
even if he didn't exist, all things would be possible with him.
Then could the fact that all things are possible simply be a coincidence?
Nah, he HAS TO exist. If he didn't, the baby Christians would cry.
--
"The whole problem with the world is that fools and fanatics are always so certain of
themselves, but wiser people so full of doubts."
- Bertrand Russell
(random sig, produced by SigChanger)
rukbat at verizon dot net
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| User: "stoney" |
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27 Jan 2005 08:51:45 PM |
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On Tue, 25 Jan 2005 23:39:58 -0000, "Milan" <mtklima@yahoo.com> wrote:
"RS" <rswarts@bu.edu> wrote in message news:ct5np8$6nn$1@news3.bu.edu...
"Truth Hunter" <hunter1234222@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1106660568.356294.199460@c13g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
Did Jesus commit suicide?
He knew where, when, and how he was going to die and did nothing to
stop it, so isn't that technically suicide?
If Jesus did commit suicide, then isn't that a sin?
That is an illogical proof on your behalf.
Jesus knew where, when, and how he was going to die, correct.
You are missing one point, however:
Jesus knew the purpose for his death, as well.
Logical situation:
I know that my child is in danger by an enemy of mine.
The enemy tells me if I let him kill me, he will let my child live.
There is no other way to ensure the safety of my child so I chose death
My child lives.
That isn't suicide, but sacrifice. I sacrifice my own life so that my
child
might live. Jesus did the same thing.
You are missing a latter point as well: Jesus isn't dead.
Jesus died for our sins. On the third day after death he arose from the
dead. He is quite well and alive now, beyond limitations of flesh.
On those two points, your argument is rendered invalid.
If you believe in the Trinity story, which says that god and Jesus are the
same person, then, if god sent Jesus to die in the cross, you cannot escape
the obvious conclusion that god committed suicide. And if he came back to
life, and he knew he would, what kind of sacrifice is that?
It isn't, of course. It's nothing more than cheap parlour tricks- the
showing of 'wonders.'
--
Contempt of Congress meter reading-offscale.
Hello, theocracy with a fundamentalist US Supreme
Court who will ensure church and state are joined
at the hip like clergy and altar boys.
America 1776-Jan 2001 RIP
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| User: "Jack" |
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26 Jan 2005 11:34:46 PM |
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"RS" <rswarts@bu.edu> wrote in message news:ct5np8$6nn$1@news3.bu.edu...
"Truth Hunter" <hunter1234222@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1106660568.356294.199460@c13g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
Did Jesus commit suicide?
He knew where, when, and how he was going to die and did nothing to
stop it, so isn't that technically suicide?
If Jesus did commit suicide, then isn't that a sin?
That is an illogical proof on your behalf.
Jesus knew where, when, and how he was going to die, correct.
You are missing one point, however:
Jesus knew the purpose for his death, as well.
Every person who commits suicide knows the purpose of their death and why
they seek it.
Logical situation:
I know that my child is in danger by an enemy of mine.
The enemy tells me if I let him kill me, he will let my child live.
There is no other way to ensure the safety of my child so I chose death
My child lives.
to project those limitations onto God is so limiting. God is beyond self
orchestrated blood sacrifices. Or is he?
That isn't suicide, but sacrifice. I sacrifice my own life so that my
child might live.
Jesus did the same thing.
No, god was in control of whether he would forgive man for using the free
will that he gave him? Killing his own son to protect us from him is
pschycotic.
You are missing a latter point as well: Jesus isn't dead.
then there was no sacrifice, after all, any human would die for the world
knowing he would walk in 3 days and end up in heaven. How sad is that?
Jesus died for our sins.
You will die for your sins, no wait....you will be punished for eternity for
your sins.
On the third day after death he arose from the dead. He is quite well and
alive now, beyond limitations of flesh.
Wow what an awsome feat for a god. How sad is that?
On those two points, your argument is rendered invalid.
-RS
Invalid is the concept and definition of god.
Steve Zodiac.
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| User: "Dave Lister" |
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26 Jan 2005 01:33:30 AM |
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"RS" <rswarts@bu.edu> wrote in news:ct5np8$6nn$1@news3.bu.edu:
You are missing a latter point as well: Jesus isn't dead.
Jesus died for our sins. On the third day after death he arose from
the dead. He is quite well and alive now, beyond limitations of
flesh.
Ah, *****.
--
Bush is not my President.
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| User: "Christopher A. Lee" |
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25 Jan 2005 05:08:18 PM |
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On Tue, 25 Jan 2005 10:13:57 -0500, "RS" <rswarts@bu.edu> wrote:
"Truth Hunter" <hunter1234222@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1106660568.356294.199460@c13g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
Did Jesus commit suicide?
He knew where, when, and how he was going to die and did nothing to
stop it, so isn't that technically suicide?
If Jesus did commit suicide, then isn't that a sin?
That is an illogical proof on your behalf.
Only if you are seriously deluded.
Jesus knew where, when, and how he was going to die, correct.
Prove he existed in order to know anything, in the real world outside
the virtual reality of the Christian mythos.
You are missing one point, however:
Jesus knew the purpose for his death, as well.
Prove he existed in order to know anything, in the real world outside
the virtual reality of the Christian mythos.
Logical situation:
I know that my child is in danger by an enemy of mine.
The enemy tells me if I let him kill me, he will let my child live.
There is no other way to ensure the safety of my child so I chose death
My child lives.
That isn't suicide, but sacrifice. I sacrifice my own life so that my child
might live. Jesus did the same thing.
Prove he existed _and_ that he did this.
Although if your myths are to be believed it was more of an
inconvenience than a sacrifice.
You are missing a latter point as well: Jesus isn't dead.
Prove it. Put up or shut the ***** up.
If he ever lived in the first place he's been dead nearly 2000 years.
Jesus died for our sins.
Prove it. Put up or shut up.
On the third day after death he arose from the
dead.
Prove it. Put up or shut up.
He is quite well and alive now, beyond limitations of flesh.
Only id the addled fantasies of your deluded imagination.
On those two points, your argument is rendered invalid.
Don't be so moronic.
-RS
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| User: "Logos" |
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25 Jan 2005 10:57:32 PM |
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On Tue, 25 Jan 2005 10:13:57 -0500, "RS" <rswarts@bu.edu> wrote:
"Truth Hunter" <hunter1234222@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1106660568.356294.199460@c13g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
Did Jesus commit suicide?
He knew where, when, and how he was going to die and did nothing to
stop it, so isn't that technically suicide?
If Jesus did commit suicide, then isn't that a sin?
That is an illogical proof on your behalf.
Jesus knew where, when, and how he was going to die, correct.
You are missing one point, however:
Jesus knew the purpose for his death, as well.
Logical situation:
I know that my child is in danger by an enemy of mine.
The enemy tells me if I let him kill me, he will let my child live.
There is no other way to ensure the safety of my child so I chose death
My child lives.
That isn't suicide, but sacrifice. I sacrifice my own life so that my child
might live. Jesus did the same thing.
You are missing a latter point as well: Jesus isn't dead.
Jesus died for our sins. On the third day after death he arose from the
dead. He is quite well and alive now, beyond limitations of flesh.
On those two points, your argument is rendered invalid.
-RS
Dear RS, we are losing our time in speaking with "Truth Hunter".
He do not want understand anything. He do not want really debate with
us. He only want to spread his wickedness against Jews and christians.
Logos
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26 Jan 2005 02:36:06 AM |
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Logos wrote:
On Tue, 25 Jan 2005 10:13:57 -0500, "RS" <rswarts@bu.edu> wrote:
"Truth Hunter" <hunter1234222@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1106660568.356294.199460@c13g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
Did Jesus commit suicide?
He knew where, when, and how he was going to die and did nothing to
stop it, so isn't that technically suicide?
If Jesus did commit suicide, then isn't that a sin?
That is an illogical proof on your behalf.
Jesus knew where, when, and how he was going to die, correct.
You are missing one point, however:
Jesus knew the purpose for his death, as well.
Logical situation:
I know that my child is in danger by an enemy of mine.
The enemy tells me if I let him kill me, he will let my child live.
There is no other way to ensure the safety of my child so I chose death
My child lives.
That isn't suicide, but sacrifice. I sacrifice my own life so that my child
might live. Jesus did the same thing.
You are missing a latter point as well: Jesus isn't dead.
Jesus died for our sins. On the third day after death he arose from the
dead. He is quite well and alive now, beyond limitations of flesh.
On those two points, your argument is rendered invalid.
-RS
Dear RS, we are losing our time in speaking with "Truth Hunter".
He do not want understand anything. He do not want really debate with
us. He only want to spread his wickedness against Jews and christians.
Someone *do* not know grammar!
James
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27 Jan 2005 08:37:41 PM |
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On Wed, 26 Jan 2005 02:36:06 GMT, James Ascher <jwa1968@earthlink.net>
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Logos wrote:
On Tue, 25 Jan 2005 10:13:57 -0500, "RS" <rswarts@bu.edu> wrote:
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Dear RS, we are losing our time in speaking with "Truth Hunter".
He do not want understand anything. He do not want really debate with
us. He only want to spread his wickedness against Jews and christians.
Someone *do* not know grammar!
James, the man is posting from Italy. More than likely English is a
second language to him. You would have been better off assissting him
with the language rather than a lame grammar flame.
--
Contempt of Congress meter reading-offscale.
Hello, theocracy with a fundamentalist US Supreme
Court who will ensure church and state are joined
at the hip like clergy and altar boys.
America 1776-Jan 2001 RIP
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28 Jan 2005 04:07:52 AM |
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stoney wrote:
On Wed, 26 Jan 2005 02:36:06 GMT, James Ascher <jwa1968@earthlink.net>
wrote:
Logos wrote:
On Tue, 25 Jan 2005 10:13:57 -0500, "RS" <rswarts@bu.edu> wrote:
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Dear RS, we are losing our time in speaking with "Truth Hunter".
He do not want understand anything. He do not want really debate with
us. He only want to spread his wickedness against Jews and christians.
Someone *do* not know grammar!
James, the man is posting from Italy. More than likely English is a
second language to him. You would have been better off assissting him
with the language rather than a lame grammar flame.
I dind't know he was posting from Italia. (mea culpa?) In any case, it's
a very mild flame compared to some on Usenet; but your point is taken,
Stoney!
JAmes
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| User: "stoney" |
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29 Jan 2005 04:50:20 AM |
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On Fri, 28 Jan 2005 04:07:52 GMT, James Ascher <jwa1968@earthlink.net>
wrote:
stoney wrote:
On Wed, 26 Jan 2005 02:36:06 GMT, James Ascher <jwa1968@earthlink.net>
wrote:
Logos wrote:
On Tue, 25 Jan 2005 10:13:57 -0500, "RS" <rswarts@bu.edu> wrote:
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Dear RS, we are losing our time in speaking with "Truth Hunter".
He do not want understand anything. He do not want really debate with
us. He only want to spread his wickedness against Jews and christians.
Someone *do* not know grammar!
James, the man is posting from Italy. More than likely English is a
second language to him. You would have been better off assissting him
with the language rather than a lame grammar flame.
I dind't know he was posting from Italia. (mea culpa?) In any case, it's
a very mild flame compared to some on Usenet; but your point is taken,
Stoney!
(chuckling) Yes, I know he was barely singed...... :)
Just to let you know, this was the giveaway;
From: Logos <giocar3ABC@libero.it>
JAmes
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Contempt of Congress meter reading-offscale.
Hello, theocracy with a fundamentalist US Supreme
Court who will ensure church and state are joined
at the hip like clergy and altar boys.
America 1776-Jan 2001 RIP
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| User: "Logos" |
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26 Jan 2005 02:00:13 PM |
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On Wed, 26 Jan 2005 02:36:06 GMT, James Ascher <jwa1968@earthlink.net>
wrote:
Dear RS, we are losing our time in speaking with "Truth Hunter".
He do not want understand anything. He do not want really debate with
us. He only want to spread his wickedness against Jews and christians.
Someone *do* not know grammar!
James
Ok, I do not know english grammar, and then?
Logos
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25 Jan 2005 10:56:53 PM |
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On 25 Jan 2005 23:57:32 +0100, Logos <giocar3ABC@libero.it> wrote:
Dear RS, we are losing our time in speaking with "Truth Hunter".
He do not want understand anything. He do not want really debate with
us. He only want to spread his wickedness against Jews and christians.
Pretends one lying Christian supporting another.
Logos
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26 Jan 2005 07:20:46 AM |
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RS wrote:
"Truth Hunter" <hunter1234222@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1106660568.356294.199460@c13g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
Did Jesus commit suicide?
He knew where, when, and how he was going to die and did nothing to
stop it, so isn't that technically suicide?
If Jesus did commit suicide, then isn't that a sin?
That is an illogical proof on your behalf.
Jesus knew where, when, and how he was going to die, correct.
You are missing one point, however:
Jesus knew the purpose for his death, as well.
Logical situation:
I know that my child is in danger by an enemy of mine.
The enemy tells me if I let him kill me, he will let my child live.
There is no other way to ensure the safety of my child so I chose death
My child lives.
That isn't suicide, but sacrifice. I sacrifice my own life so that my child
might live. Jesus did the same thing.
You are missing a latter point as well: Jesus isn't dead.
Jesus died for our sins. On the third day after death he arose from the
dead. He is quite well and alive now, beyond limitations of flesh.
On those two points, your argument is rendered invalid.
-RS
You're a *****. I'd kill the ***** who threatened my child.
Jack
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26 Jan 2005 01:09:00 AM |
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RS wrote:
"Truth Hunter" <hunter1234222@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1106660568.356294.199460@c13g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
Did Jesus commit suicide?
He knew where, when, and how he was going to die and did nothing to
stop it, so isn't that technically suicide?
If Jesus did commit suicide, then isn't that a sin?
That is an illogical proof on your behalf.
Jesus knew where, when, and how he was going to die, correct.
You are missing one point, however:
Jesus knew the purpose for his death, as well.
Logical situation:
I know that my child is in danger by an enemy of mine.
The enemy tells me if I let him kill me, he will let my child live.
There is no other way to ensure the safety of my child so I chose
death
My child lives.
That isn't suicide, but sacrifice. I sacrifice my own life so that
my child
might live. Jesus did the same thing.
As far as I can see, you are both playing a game of semantics and I
could care less either way.
You are missing a latter point as well: Jesus isn't dead.
Jesus died for our sins. On the third day after death he arose from
the
dead. He is quite well and alive now, beyond limitations of flesh.
So this Jesus is alive, but not alive in the flesh?
(1) Where did his physical body go?
(2) If he did not arise from the dead, then he would not be alive now?
What would have happened to him? Would he have been dead then, and what
would be the difference now?
(3**) In what sense is Jesus alive that a dead person is not? A dead
person goes to heaven or hell right? A dead person is beyond the
limitations of flesh. What is the difference?
(4) What happened to all of the other zombies that crawled out of their
tombs?
Your post has made me realise that none of this makes sense to me.
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26 Jan 2005 03:02:22 AM |
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On 25 Jan 2005 17:09:00 -0800, said in
alt.atheism:
So this Jesus is alive, but not alive in the flesh?
There's some other way to be alive?
(1) Where did his physical body go?
(2) If he did not arise from the dead, then he would not be alive now?
What would have happened to him? Would he have been dead then, and what
would be the difference now?
(3**) In what sense is Jesus alive that a dead person is not? A dead
person goes to heaven or hell right? A dead person is beyond the
limitations of flesh. What is the difference?
(4) What happened to all of the other zombies that crawled out of their
tombs?
Your post has made me realise that none of this makes sense to me.
It's Christianity, not sense.
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The ones that learn by reading. The few who learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence.
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