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"Truth Hunter" |
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07 Sep 2005 11:32:58 PM |
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Did Jesus cursed himself ??? |
Did Jesus cursed himself ???
Help me out with this one.
On one hand we have Deut 21:22-23 : 22And if a man have committed a sin
worthy of death, and he be to be put to death, and thou hang him on a
tree: 23His body shall not remain all night upon the tree, but thou
shalt in any wise bury him that day; (for he that is hanged is accursed
of God;) that thy land be not defiled, which the LORD thy God giveth
thee for an inheritance.
On the other hand we have Acts 5:30: 30The God of our fathers raised
up Jesus, whom ye slew and hanged on a tree.
So we are told that any man that is hanged on a tree is cursed by
Jesus/bible/god, and we are also told that Jesus/bible/god was hanged
on a tree ... ergo Jesus/bible/god cursed himself, didn't he?
Read in conjunction with Acts above. You can conclude easily :
-Jesus was hanged
-The hanged ones are accursed by God.
-Jesus was God
http://www.jewsforjudaism.org
Bumper Sticker
DIVINE INSANITY
God killed himself on the cross to save his own creation fro=ADm his own
wrath!(Author unknown)
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| User: "Andy" |
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| Title: Re: Did Jesus cursed himself ??? |
08 Sep 2005 12:43:25 AM |
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"Truth Hunter" <hunter1234222@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1126153978.187266.289370@g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
Did Jesus cursed himself ???
Help me out with this one.
On one hand we have Deut 21:22-23 : 22And if a man have committed a sin
worthy of death, and he be to be put to death, and thou hang him on a
tree: 23His body shall not remain all night upon the tree, but thou
shalt in any wise bury him that day; (for he that is hanged is accursed
of God;) that thy land be not defiled, which the LORD thy God giveth
thee for an inheritance.
On the other hand we have Acts 5:30: 30The God of our fathers raised
up Jesus, whom ye slew and hanged on a tree.
So we are told that any man that is hanged on a tree is cursed by
Jesus/bible/god, and we are also told that Jesus/bible/god was hanged
on a tree ... ergo Jesus/bible/god cursed himself, didn't he?
Read in conjunction with Acts above. You can conclude easily :
-Jesus was hanged
-The hanged ones are accursed by God.
-Jesus was God
http://www.jewsforjudaism.org
Bumper Sticker
DIVINE INSANITY
God killed himself on the cross to save his own creation from his own
wrath!(Author unknown)
You dirty Jew. If Christians did not give you a freedom and money, you
would be no land man today. It means no body.
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| User: "peter" |
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| Title: Re: Did Jesus cursed himself ??? |
08 Sep 2005 05:27:12 AM |
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"You dirty Jew. If Christians did not give you a freedom and money, you
would be no land man today. It means no body. "
YEP SOUNDS JUST LIKE THE ISLAMIC SAVAGE BARBARIANS. THE ONE THAT TOLD ME THE
OTHER DAY THAT CHRISTIANS ARE NOT MUCH BETTER THAN THE ISLAMIC WHORES MUST
BE RIGHT.
PETER
@invalid.com> wrote in message news:KtKdndsHPLHrUoLeRVn-qA@rogers.com...
"Truth Hunter" <hunter1234222@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1126153978.187266.289370@g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
Did Jesus cursed himself ???
Help me out with this one.
On one hand we have Deut 21:22-23 : 22And if a man have committed a sin
worthy of death, and he be to be put to death, and thou hang him on a
tree: 23His body shall not remain all night upon the tree, but thou
shalt in any wise bury him that day; (for he that is hanged is accursed
of God;) that thy land be not defiled, which the LORD thy God giveth
thee for an inheritance.
On the other hand we have Acts 5:30: 30The God of our fathers raised
up Jesus, whom ye slew and hanged on a tree.
So we are told that any man that is hanged on a tree is cursed by
Jesus/bible/god, and we are also told that Jesus/bible/god was hanged
on a tree ... ergo Jesus/bible/god cursed himself, didn't he?
Read in conjunction with Acts above. You can conclude easily :
-Jesus was hanged
-The hanged ones are accursed by God.
-Jesus was God
http://www.jewsforjudaism.org
Bumper Sticker
DIVINE INSANITY
God killed himself on the cross to save his own creation from his own
wrath!(Author unknown)
You dirty Jew. If Christians did not give you a freedom and money, you
would be no land man today. It means no body.
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| User: "Andy" |
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| Title: Re: Did Jesus cursed himself ??? |
08 Sep 2005 11:44:44 AM |
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"peter" <peterusa@optonline.net> wrote in message
news:3mUTe.13096$OT1.8006@fe09.lga...
"You dirty Jew. If Christians did not give you a freedom and money, you
would be no land man today. It means no body. "
YEP SOUNDS JUST LIKE THE ISLAMIC SAVAGE BARBARIANS. THE ONE THAT TOLD ME
THE OTHER DAY THAT CHRISTIANS ARE NOT MUCH BETTER THAN THE ISLAMIC WHORES
MUST BE RIGHT.
PETER
You do not agree ? So tell me how much money Israel receives every year from
Christian America. Tell me which country feeds more Jews than USA ? If
America did not protect you, you would me no body today, and this is truth.
My advice is to live Jesus in peace and take a job instead of insulting him
and Christians.
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| User: "Andy" |
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| Title: Re: Did Jesus cursed himself ??? |
08 Sep 2005 11:55:51 AM |
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"peter" <peterusa@optonline.net> wrote in message
news:3mUTe.13096$OT1.8006@fe09.lga...
"You dirty Jew. If Christians did not give you a freedom and money, you
would be no land man today. It means no body. "
YEP SOUNDS JUST LIKE THE ISLAMIC SAVAGE BARBARIANS. THE ONE THAT TOLD ME
THE OTHER DAY THAT CHRISTIANS ARE NOT MUCH BETTER THAN THE ISLAMIC WHORES
MUST BE RIGHT.
PETER
ISLAMIC SAVAGE BARBARIANS ? Jews are the same barbarians like Muslims.
Exodus:32:26: Then Moses stood in the gate of the camp, and said, Who is on
the LORD's side? let him come unto me. And all the sons of Levi gathered
themselves together unto him.
27: And he said unto them, Thus saith the LORD God of Israel, Put every man
his sword by his side, and go in and out from gate to gate throughout the
camp, and slay every man his brother, and every man his companion, and every
man his neighbour.
28: And the children of Levi did according to the word of Moses: and there
fell of the people that day about three thousand men.
29: For Moses had said, Consecrate yourselves to day to the LORD, even every
man upon his son, and upon his brother; that he may bestow upon you a
blessing this day.
See the Jews believed that by killing their neighbors and brothers and even
their own children that they would receives God's blessings. Clearly a
deception.
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| User: "Son of man" |
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08 Sep 2005 12:01:56 PM |
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"Andy" <Andy@invalid.com> wrote in message
news:ob2dncOyTsOE8L3eRVn-iw@rogers.com...
"peter" <peterusa@optonline.net> wrote in message
news:3mUTe.13096$OT1.8006@fe09.lga...
"You dirty Jew. If Christians did not give you a freedom and money, you
would be no land man today. It means no body. "
YEP SOUNDS JUST LIKE THE ISLAMIC SAVAGE BARBARIANS. THE ONE THAT TOLD ME
THE OTHER DAY THAT CHRISTIANS ARE NOT MUCH BETTER THAN THE ISLAMIC WHORES
MUST BE RIGHT.
PETER
ISLAMIC SAVAGE BARBARIANS ? Jews are the same barbarians like Muslims.
Exodus:32:26: Then Moses stood in the gate of the camp, and said, Who is
on
the LORD's side? let him come unto me. And all the sons of Levi gathered
themselves together unto him.
27: And he said unto them, Thus saith the LORD God of Israel, Put every
man
his sword by his side, and go in and out from gate to gate throughout the
camp, and slay every man his brother, and every man his companion, and
every
man his neighbour.
28: And the children of Levi did according to the word of Moses: and there
fell of the people that day about three thousand men.
29: For Moses had said, Consecrate yourselves to day to the LORD, even
every
man upon his son, and upon his brother; that he may bestow upon you a
blessing this day.
See the Jews believed that by killing their neighbors and brothers and
even
their own children that they would receives God's blessings. Clearly a
deception.
Again reiterated here, just like the majority of Islam :
Deuteronomy:13:6: If thy brother, the son of thy mother, or thy son, or thy
daughter, or the wife of thy bosom, or thy friend, which is as thine own
soul, entice thee secretly, saying, Let us go and serve other gods, which
thou hast not known, thou, nor thy fathers;
7: Namely, of the gods of the people which are round about you, nigh unto
thee, or far off from thee, from the one end of the earth even unto the
other end of the earth;
8: Thou shalt not consent unto him, nor hearken unto him; neither shall
thine eye pity him, neither shalt thou spare, neither shalt thou conceal
him:
9: But thou shalt surely kill him; thine hand shall be first upon him to put
him to death, and afterwards the hand of all the people.
If you're no fan of Judaism, you would really enjoy "The Old Serpent
Chained" available at www.authorhouse.com.
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| User: "u2 fan" |
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| Title: Re: Did Jesus cursed himself ??? |
08 Sep 2005 04:33:32 AM |
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Gal 3:13 Christ redeemed us from the curse of the law by becoming a curse
for us, for it is written: "Cursed is everyone who is hung on a tree."
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http://www.geocities.com/days1335/
"Truth Hunter" <hunter1234222@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1126153978.187266.289370@g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
Did Jesus cursed himself ???
Help me out with this one.
On one hand we have Deut 21:22-23 : 22And if a man have committed a sin
worthy of death, and he be to be put to death, and thou hang him on a
tree: 23His body shall not remain all night upon the tree, but thou
shalt in any wise bury him that day; (for he that is hanged is accursed
of God;) that thy land be not defiled, which the LORD thy God giveth
thee for an inheritance.
On the other hand we have Acts 5:30: 30The God of our fathers raised
up Jesus, whom ye slew and hanged on a tree.
So we are told that any man that is hanged on a tree is cursed by
Jesus/bible/god, and we are also told that Jesus/bible/god was hanged
on a tree ... ergo Jesus/bible/god cursed himself, didn't he?
Read in conjunction with Acts above. You can conclude easily :
-Jesus was hanged
-The hanged ones are accursed by God.
-Jesus was God
http://www.jewsforjudaism.org
Bumper Sticker
DIVINE INSANITY
God killed himself on the cross to save his own creation from his own
wrath!(Author unknown)
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| User: "Greywolf" |
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08 Sep 2005 06:30:58 AM |
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"u2 fan" <a@b.com> wrote in message news:dfp0h9$mjr$1@news7.svr.pol.co.uk...
Gal 3:13 Christ redeemed us from the curse of the law by becoming a curse
for us, for it is written: "Cursed is everyone who is hung on a tree."
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What you're saying here, in essence, is that some of the things that 'God'
said
in the OT is *****, that Paul's views and interpretations of OT
'Scripture' is
correct and everyone else's (including James and the rest of the apostles
who
were ordered by Jesus to, 'Go nowhere among the Gentiles' because he was
sent *only* 'unto the house of Israel [Matt. 10:5-6; 15:24]) was somehow
misinterpreted. How conveeeneeeient. Paul claims that the risen Jesus made
him an 'apostle.' Funny, after the death of Judas, the remaining apostles
*voted*
for the person to replace him. Paul wasn't even in the running. He lied his
*****
off, my friend. And he amassed a bigger 'army' than the original apostles
and
so elbowed those clowns right out of the business. That's how 'he,' and not
'Peter,' founded Christianity.
Now look at what Paul is doing here in Galatians. He is taking the 'curse'
that
God placed on anyone hung on a tree (which Paul interprets to mean
'crucified.'),
by a God who, ostensibly, already *knew* that his carcass was going to be
hung
upon a tree in the time of Pontius Pilate, and making 'God' say, 'Well, I'm
cursing
every Jew hung on a tree *until* I get my sorry-***** hung on one, and then
what I
said about being hung on a tree won't mean anything anymore because at that
point in time, I am going to change my mind about the whole thing . Wow!
What
a goof Paul makes God out to be. Or is it that Paul is making up his own
theology
here? It sure does seem like it to me. What a pathetic joke the Jesus-God
concept
and Pauline theology are. You people should have your heads examined. You're
exhibiting great signs of mental illness, my friend.
Greywolf
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| User: "Son of man" |
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| Title: Re: Did Jesus cursed himself ??? |
08 Sep 2005 07:29:52 AM |
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"Greywolf" <greywolf@cybrzn.com> wrote in message
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"u2 fan" <a@b.com> wrote in message
news:dfp0h9$mjr$1@news7.svr.pol.co.uk...
Gal 3:13 Christ redeemed us from the curse of the law by becoming a curse
for us, for it is written: "Cursed is everyone who is hung on a tree."
--
What you're saying here, in essence, is that some of the things that 'God'
said
in the OT is *****, that Paul's views and interpretations of OT
'Scripture' is
correct and everyone else's (including James and the rest of the apostles
who
were ordered by Jesus to, 'Go nowhere among the Gentiles' because he was
sent *only* 'unto the house of Israel [Matt. 10:5-6; 15:24]) was somehow
misinterpreted.
Matt:21:42: Jesus saith unto them, Did ye never read in the scriptures, The
stone which the builders rejected, the same is become the head of the
corner: this is the Lord's doing, and it is marvellous in our eyes?
43: Therefore say I unto you, The kingdom of God shall be taken from you,
and given to a nation bringing forth the fruits thereof.
Acts:13:46: Then Paul and Barnabas waxed bold, and said, It was necessary
that the word of God should first have been spoken to you: but seeing ye put
it from you, and judge yourselves unworthy of everlasting life, lo, we turn
to the Gentiles.
How conveeeneeeient. Paul claims that the risen Jesus made
him an 'apostle.'
It would be hard to understand why Paul would give up his former life of
security and his persecution of Christians only to be ridiculed and
eventually suffer in prison for taking their side. Something had to
convince him that suffering for the cause of Christians - whom he previously
persecuted - was worth giving up his former life for.
Funny, after the death of Judas, the remaining apostles *voted*
for the person to replace him. Paul wasn't even in the running. He lied
his *****
off, my friend. And he amassed a bigger 'army' than the original apostles
and
so elbowed those clowns right out of the business. That's how 'he,' and
not
'Peter,' founded Christianity.
Now look at what Paul is doing here in Galatians. He is taking the 'curse'
that
God placed on anyone hung on a tree (which Paul interprets to mean
'crucified.'),
The problem is that the OT was a deception to begin with, but to reach the
audience the Jews who believed in it, you've got to try to win them over by
relating to what they believed. Sure it's not perfect, but the NT gave it
the best shot at reforming Judaism.
by a God who, ostensibly, already *knew* that his carcass was going to be
hung
upon a tree in the time of Pontius Pilate, and making 'God' say, 'Well,
I'm cursing
every Jew hung on a tree *until* I get my sorry-***** hung on one, and then
what I
said about being hung on a tree won't mean anything anymore because at
that
point in time, I am going to change my mind about the whole thing . Wow!
What
a goof Paul makes God out to be.
No, it's the OT God which makes a goof out of himself. Paul has the burden
of working with something imperfect to begin with, and so you're going to
find the GIGO principle in effect on many occasions.
Or is it that Paul is making up his own theology
here?
He's doing the best he can working with a deceived people who would not have
followed him at all if he told them Judaism was a deception. In order to
understand the teachings of Jesus and Paul, you have to take into
consideration that they were very much improvising upon the scriptures of
Judaism in order to draw them to his discipleship and to save them from the
deception of Wicked One.
It sure does seem like it to me. What a pathetic joke the Jesus-God
concept
and Pauline theology are. You people should have your heads examined.
You're
exhibiting great signs of mental illness, my friend.
Well that really is apparent throughout the entire OT.
Exodus:32:26: Then Moses stood in the gate of the camp, and said, Who is on
the LORD's side? let him come unto me. And all the sons of Levi gathered
themselves together unto him.
27: And he said unto them, Thus saith the LORD God of Israel, Put every man
his sword by his side, and go in and out from gate to gate throughout the
camp, and slay every man his brother, and every man his companion, and every
man his neighbour.
28: And the children of Levi did according to the word of Moses: and there
fell of the people that day about three thousand men.
29: For Moses had said, Consecrate yourselves to day to the LORD, even every
man upon his son, and upon his brother; that he may bestow upon you a
blessing this day.
See the Jews believed that by killing their neighbors and brothers and even
their own children that they would receives God's blessings. Clearly a
deception.
So how to save them? You can't tell them, "You're a bunch of devil
worshippers" certainly not with their level of spiritual immaturity 2000
years ago. Or none of them would have followed Christ. Instead he came to
reform their religion with a set of "You have heard it been said
before....but I say unto you..." teachings.
I tell you this much. If Christ had not come, they'd still be stoning each
other to death for doing any work on the sabbath (see Numbers:15:-32-36) and
for a whole bunch of other silly reasons which YHWH gives. YHWH is a god of
destruction and condemnation. Jesus and his Father were masters of
conversion and repentance and salvation which is why he taught others not to
condemn a woman who committed adultery because they had their own faults, so
he did not follow the law of Moses to stone her to death.
Greywolf
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