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Did you know that most are over 99.7% atheist? |
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Over 1,800 Gods, Goddesses, Devils, and Demons?
If one believes in or allows for the possibility of the
actual existence of, oh I dunno, let's say, 5 of them,
that individual is over 99.7% atheist!
http://fire.prohosting.com/prohuman/disbelief/most_are_disbelievers.htm
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Commonly, most ascribe to a particular faith or
group of faiths and consider themselves theistic.
However, when it really comes right down to it,
most of us disbelieve in most Gods and Goddesses
and Devils and Demons, for reasons of culture,
logic, reason, family upbringing, and sanity.
Oh, really, you say?
Check it out ... consider the Gods and Goddesses
and Devils and Demons of the world, and ask
yourself, for each God or Goddess or Devil or
Demon, do you believe that particular entity exists
as a real entity worthy of worship, prayer, fear,
or avoidance?
If your answer is no, you're a disbeliever towards
that particular entity.
If your answer is yes, you're a believer in that
particular entity.
If your answer is you don't know, maybe, you're
not sure, you'd rather not say, or you're unable
to eliminate the possibility that the entity might
exist, you're an agnostic towards that particular
entity. Perhaps you should seek further information
on whatever entities you are agnostic about.
By the way, if you already accept that all gods are
imaginary beings created by primitive pre-scientific
humans without a clue, you need only peruse the
list for its value as a reflection on the wisdom of
your philosophy.
For the rest of you, you've got a lot of soul-searching,
contemplation, and research ahead of you. After all,
you wouldn't want to be worshipping, praying to, or
fearing the wrong deity or fearing and avoiding the
wrong devil, now would you?
Enjoy the journey and welcome to what I'm sure
will be a revelation of the depth of disbelief for most.
________________
Contents excerpted from "A Dictionary of Gods and
Goddesses, Devils and Demons", by Manfred Lurker
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0415039444
________________
Brief comments follow - for complete details, buy
"A Dictionary of Gods and Goddesses, Devils and
Demons"...
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Aaxtxe - Evil spirit in the shape of a bull.
Abaddon - Angel of hell, lord of the plague of locusts.
Abattur - Mandeans'/Persian 'bearer of the scales' who
weighs souls and/or their deeds.
Abellio - Gallic local deity, God of apple trees.
Abgal - Seven Sumerian spirits., some conceived as fish-men.
Abhiyoga - Servile Gods in Jainism who help the supreme
Gods to create rain and darkness.
Abora - Supreme being worshipped by Canary Islanders on
the island of Palma; sat in heaven and caused the stars to move.
Abraxas - Graeco-Oriental gnostic God with the torso and
arms of a man, the head of a *****, and serpent legs.
Abu - Sumerian God of vegetation.
Abundantia - Roman Goddess personifying abundance.
Acala - The Immovable, a divinity in Indian Buddhism who
has three eyes and six arms.
Acaviser - God-like female being in the Etruscan pantheon,
in the goddess of love.
Acheloos - Greek river-god.
Achilleus - Hero venerated throughout Greece; in the Black
Sea area he had divine status as Pontarchus, ruler of the sea.
Acoran - The supreme being, worshipped by inhabitants of
Gran Canaria in the Canary Islands.
Adad - Babylonian God of weather and rain.
Adam(m)as - Parental godhead of the Naasenes, a gnostic
movement in Phrygia.
Adam Kadmon - Per the Kabbala (a Jewish mystic movement),
the first man, androgynous, and partaking in or blending with
God.
Adam Kasia - God-like form of 'the first Adam', per the
Mandeans. A redeemer who is himself redeemed.
Adibuddha - Primeval or original creator who has created
the five Dhayani Buddhas.
Aditi - Indian Goddess (mother of the Adityas), a redeemer
who frees those who believe in her from sickness, need, and
the stain of sin.
Adityas - Vedic grouping of seven or eight Gods (progeny
of Aditi) offering salvation from all ills; post-Vedic portrays
twelve Sun-Gods, connected with the twelve months of the
year.
Adonis - Phoenician-Syrian God, lover of Aphrodite.
Adraste - Goddess of war in ancient Britain.
Adrasteia - Trojan-Phrygian mountain divinity.
Adro - God of the Lugbara people who live on the shores of
Lake Albert in East Africa.
Aegir - North Germanic sea-giant.
Aeneas - Son of the Goddess Aphrodite, a Greek hero,
embodiment of the Roman virtue of piety.
Aesculapius - The God of healing, introduced in Rome in
293 B.C.
Aesma Daeva - Parsee demon of lust and anger.
Aeternitas - Roman personification of eternity.
Afi - God of rain and thunderstorms among Abkhaz people
of the western Caucasus.
Agas - Demon of illness in Iranian religions.
Agathos Damon - Good Greek genius or guardian spirit.
Agdistis - Phrygian hermaphrodite being.
Aglaia - Splendor, one of the trinity of graces of Charites
who bring beauty and pleasure to mankind.
Aglibol - Moon-God of Palmyra (ancient Syria).
Agni - Vedic God of fire.
Agnostos Theos - The Greek Unknown God.
Ah Bolom Tzacab - Mayan God of agriculture.
Ahone - Supreme God of Indians who once lived in Virginia
area.
Ahriman - In Mithraism and Zervanism, venerated as a God.
Ahura Mazda - The one true God preached by Zarathustra.
Ahurani - An old Iranian water Goddess.
Aiakos - Greek God of the underworld.
Aiolos - Son of Poseidon.
Aion - The Lord of Time.
Airyaman - Old Aryan God of marriage.
Ai Tojon - Creator of light (among the Yakuts in Siberia).
Aitu - In Samoa, a word for the lower order of Gods.
Aitvaras - A Lithuanian household spirit, a creature of the
devil.
Aius Locutius - A Roman nonce God.
Akasagarbha - Whose origins is the ether, in Indian Buddhism
a Bohidsattva with characteristics of a celestial deity; appears
in Tibetan Books of the Dead; in Japan he is known as Kokuzo
and is a personification of supreme knowledge of the absolute
void.
Akephalos - A headless being regarded as a demon.
Aker - A God which is the embodiment of earth in ancient
Egyptian texts.
Akerbeltz - In 16th/17th centuries, venerated as a God by witches
and wizards.
Akongo - Supreme God of the Ngombe who live in the Congo area.
Aksobhya - One of the five Dhyani-Buddhas.
Ala - Earth Goddess of the Ibo people of Nigeria.
Alako - God of the Norwegian gypsies.
Alalu - First of heavenly kings of the Hurrians who lived in north
Syria in the 2nd millennium B.C.
Alardi - Per the Ossetians of the Central Caucasus, a spirit who
on the one hand causes smallpox and, on the other, protects
women.
Alaunus - Celtic name for the God Mercurius.
Albriorix - Gallic war God Teutates.
Alcis - Divine pair of brothers in the belief of the East Germanic
tribe of the Naharnavali.
Alisanos - Local God in Gaul.
Allah - In the pre-Islamic period, the supreme deity, creator of
the earth and giver of water. Interpreted by Muhammad as the
one true God.
Allat - The Goddess venerated in Central and North Arabia in
pre-Islamic times.
--- Time out --- There are over 1,800 Gods, Goddesses, Devils,
and Demons in this book. Heck, even giving a brief description
of 'em is taking me far too long. If you really want to play it safe,
just buy the book and, for further elaboration, check out the
following book.
Welcome to the crowd of disbelievers! (-:
Merriam-Webster's Encyclopedia of World Religions
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0877790442
Excerpt from the back cover: "All religions, all eras,
all cultures, all regions. 3,500 entries deliver compre-
hensive coverage of religious movements and concepts,
historical and legendary figures, divinities and super-
natural characters, and important religious places.
30 in-depth articles provide detailed discussions of
major religions, including Christianity, Judaism, Islam,
Hinduism, and Buddhism, as well as other important
religious topics."
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30 Jan 2005 12:23:54 AM |
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"Pro-Humanist FREELOVER" <prohumanist@gr8mail.com> wrote in message
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Over 1,800 Gods, Goddesses, Devils, and Demons?
If one believes in or allows for the possibility of the
actual existence of, oh I dunno, let's say, 5 of them,
that individual is over 99.7% atheist!
http://fire.prohosting.com/prohuman/disbelief/most_are_disbelievers.htm
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Commonly, most ascribe to a particular faith or
group of faiths and consider themselves theistic.
However, when it really comes right down to it,
most of us disbelieve in most Gods and Goddesses
and Devils and Demons, for reasons of culture,
logic, reason, family upbringing, and sanity.
Oh, really, you say?
Check it out ... consider the Gods and Goddesses
and Devils and Demons of the world, and ask
yourself, for each God or Goddess or Devil or
Demon, do you believe that particular entity exists
as a real entity worthy of worship, prayer, fear,
or avoidance?
If your answer is no, you're a disbeliever towards
that particular entity.
If your answer is yes, you're a believer in that
particular entity.
If your answer is you don't know, maybe, you're
not sure, you'd rather not say, or you're unable
to eliminate the possibility that the entity might
exist, you're an agnostic towards that particular
entity. Perhaps you should seek further information
on whatever entities you are agnostic about.
By the way, if you already accept that all gods are
imaginary beings created by primitive pre-scientific
humans without a clue, you need only peruse the
list for its value as a reflection on the wisdom of
your philosophy.
For the rest of you, you've got a lot of soul-searching,
contemplation, and research ahead of you. After all,
you wouldn't want to be worshipping, praying to, or
fearing the wrong deity or fearing and avoiding the
wrong devil, now would you?
Enjoy the journey and welcome to what I'm sure
will be a revelation of the depth of disbelief for most.
________________
Contents excerpted from "A Dictionary of Gods and
Goddesses, Devils and Demons", by Manfred Lurker
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0415039444
________________
Brief comments follow - for complete details, buy
"A Dictionary of Gods and Goddesses, Devils and
Demons"...
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30 Jan 2005 02:53:53 AM |
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"Pro-Humanist FREELOVER" <prohumanist@gr8mail.com> wrote:
Over 1,800 Gods, Goddesses, Devils, and Demons?
If one believes in or allows for the possibility of the
actual existence of, oh I dunno, let's say, 5 of them,
that individual is over 99.7% atheist!
Let's see. There are, what, a billion homes in this world? If you only
own, umm, let's say 5 houses, you are 99.999999% homeless...
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30 Jan 2005 05:42:06 AM |
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"nobody" <nobody@here.com> wrote in message news:g8jov09qdl8hjb88ee3l003d7cclfh00mc@4ax.com...
"Pro-Humanist FREELOVER" <prohumanist@gr8mail.com> wrote:
Over 1,800 Gods, Goddesses, Devils, and Demons?
If one believes in or allows for the possibility of the
actual existence of, oh I dunno, let's say, 5 of them,
that individual is over 99.7% atheist!
Let's see. There are, what, a billion homes in this world? If you only
own, umm, let's say 5 houses, you are 99.999999% homeless...
No, you own a very small percent of total homes. You
do not own 99.999999% of homes.
If you believe in the christian god or the muslim god,
and you disbelieve in all other gods, and you disbe-
lieve in the holy spirit, and you disbelieve that Jesus
was a god, you disbelieve in 99.99999999% of the
proposed gods.
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30 Jan 2005 10:13:35 AM |
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Pro-Humanist FREELOVER wrote:
"nobody" <nobody@here.com> wrote in message
news:g8jov09qdl8hjb88ee3l003d7cclfh00mc@4ax.com...
"Pro-Humanist FREELOVER" <prohumanist@gr8mail.com> wrote:
Over 1,800 Gods, Goddesses, Devils, and Demons?
If one believes in or allows for the possibility of the
actual existence of, oh I dunno, let's say, 5 of them,
that individual is over 99.7% atheist!
Let's see. There are, what, a billion homes in this world? If you
only
own, umm, let's say 5 houses, you are 99.999999% homeless...
No, you own a very small percent of total homes. You
do not own 99.999999% of homes.
Didn't get it, huh? Hey if you don't have a home, you are
homeless. For every home you don't own, you are homeless
in regards to that particular home. So according to your
"logic" "Nobody's analogy was on target.
If you believe in the christian god or the muslim god,
and you disbelieve in all other gods, and you dis be-
lieve in the holy spirit, and you disbelieve that Jesus
was a god, you disbelieve in 99.99999999% of the
proposed gods.
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30 Jan 2005 10:01:31 AM |
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nobody wrote:
"Pro-Humanist FREELOVER" <prohumanist@gr8mail.com> wrote:
Over 1,800 Gods, Goddesses, Devils, and Demons?
If one believes in or allows for the possibility of the
actual existence of, oh I dunno, let's say, 5 of them,
that individual is over 99.7% atheist!
Let's see. There are, what, a billion homes in this world? If you
only
own, umm, let's say 5 houses, you are 99.999999% homeless...
Funny analogy. =87
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30 Jan 2005 09:59:29 AM |
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Pro-Humanist FREELOVER wrote:
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Over 1,800 Gods, Goddesses, Devils, and Demons?
If one believes in or allows for the possibility of the
actual existence of, oh I dunno, let's say, 5 of them,
that individual is over 99.7% atheist!
http://fire.prohosting.com/prohuman/disbelief/most_are_disbelievers.htm
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Commonly, most ascribe to a particular faith or
group of faiths and consider themselves theistic.
However, when it really comes right down to it,
most of us disbelieve i n most Gods and Goddesses
and Devils and Demons, for reasons of culture,
logic, reason, family upbringing, and sanity.
Oh, really, you say?
Check it out ... consider the Gods and Goddesses
and Devils and Demons of the world, and ask
your self, for each God or Goddess or Devil or
Demon, do you believe that particular entity exists
as a real entity worthy of worship, prayer, fear,
or avoidance?
If your answer is no, you're a disbeliever towards
that particular entity.
If y our answer is yes, you're a believer in that
particular entity.
If your answer is you don't know, maybe, you're
not sure, you'd rather not say, or you're unable
to eliminate the possibility that the entity might
exist, you're an agnostic towards that particular
entity. Perhaps you should seek further information
on whatever entities you are agnostic about.
Perhaps you should seek further information
on what agnostic means.
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| User: "David V." |
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30 Jan 2005 12:43:13 AM |
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Pro-Humanist FREELOVER wrote:
--- Over 1,800 Gods, Goddesses, Devils, and Demons?
If one believes in or allows for the possibility of the actual
existence of, oh I dunno, let's say, 5 of them, that
individual is over 99.7% atheist!
Logical fallacy, not much different from the rest of the tripe
you post here.
--
Dave
.....If you are open to the point of gullibility and have not an
ounce of skeptical sense in you, then you cannot distinguish
the useful ideas from the worthless ones - Carl Sagan, 1987.
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30 Jan 2005 06:06:27 AM |
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"David V.", a frequent poster in the
talk.philosophy.humanism newsgroup,
wrote (small excerpt provided) ...
"Pro-Humanist FREELOVER" wrote, among
many other things ...
--- Over 1,800 Gods, Goddesses, Devils, and Demons?
If one believes in or allows for the possibility of the actual
existence of, oh I dunno, let's say, 5 of them, that
individual is over 99.7% atheist! [...]
Logical fallacy [...]
Atheist must be 100% disbelief, and anything short
of that is theist? Interesting, a position conducive
to the illusion that one is a believer rather than a
disbeliever when, point-in-fact, almost every single
believer believes in far less than 1 percent of the
gods/goddesses/devils/demons presented as pos-
sibilities, in human history, per surviving written records.
You know what? Aside from Hinduism, almost every-
one disbelieves in almost all gods. That's a fact.
Your logical fallacy is that you've bowed to the notion
of theists that if you believe in 1 god, you're theist, and
disbelief towards over 1,800 gods, demons, devils,
& goddesses is of no consequence as to one's sup-
posed blessed (by social standards, a least in the
western & Arab worlds) theistic status.
Theists and those who've been seduced into their
illusion, blank their minds when it comes to their athe-
istic views towards almost every single magical being,
spare the ones of their own culture, as if those views
& atheism are unrelated.
You, sir, are submitting to the theistic delusion, a pro-
found fallacy bespeaking of covering up the extent of
atheism among so-called theists.
Belief in -1- God does not = belief in all gods, nor
does it = belief in any god, nor does it = belief in
all demons/devils, not does it = belief in any demon/
devil, not does it = belief in all goddesses, nor does
it = belief in any goddess.
In fact, what belief in -1- God does =, in the over-
whelming number of non-polytheistic instances, dis-
belief in almost every single god ever promoted in
human history. Atheism, almost to the tune of 100%.
Hinduism, by the way, followed by far less than 20%
of humans.
You, sir, if you disbelieve in all of the over 1,800
gods/goddesses/devils/demons, are 100% atheist.
If you disbelieve in almost all of them, but hold out
an agnostic view towards a few, you're over 99.7%
atheist. In all likelihood, being that you are logically
challenged, and your pro-humanist acumen is all-but
nil, qualify as significantly humanistically challenged,
with one small caveat. Being that you post in the
humanism newsgroup frequently, one presumes
you have something going on in the area of human-
ism. Is it advocacy, something you rarely (if ever)
show, or is it skepticism, something you offer often
when pro-humanistic or doubt-towards-gods posi-
tions are presented?
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http://fire.prohosting.com/prohuman
(Freethinking Realist Exploring
Expressive Liberty, Openness,
Verity, Enlightenment, & Rationality)
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30 Jan 2005 11:51:28 AM |
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Pro-Humanist FREELOVER wrote:
"David V.", a frequent poster in the
talk.philosophy.humanism newsgroup,
wrote (small excerpt provided) ...
"Pro-Humanist FREELOVER" wrote, among
many other things ...
--- Over 1,800 Gods, Godde sses, Devils, and Demons?
If one believes in or allows for the possibility of the actual
existence of, oh I dunno, let's say, 5 of them, that
individual is over 99.7% atheist! [...]
Logical fallacy [...]
Atheist must be 100% disbelief, and anything short
of that is theist? Interesting, a position conducive
to the illusion that one is a believer rather than a
disbeliever when, point-in-fact, almost every single
believer believes in far less than 1 percent of the
gods/goddesses/devils/demons presented as pos-
sibilities, in human history, per surviving written records.
If you get to tell the people who don't buy your rants what
it is they believe or are saying, then what do you need them
for? Why don't you just quit pretending you are discussing
anything and just admit you prefer to take charge of both
sides and talk to yourself?
You know what? Aside from Hinduism, almost every-
one disbelieves in almost all gods. That's a fact.
So you don't have much of a *****, then, do you?
And yet, here you are, bitching about these non-existent
"theists."
Your logical fallacy is that you've bowed to the notion
of theists that if you believe in 1 god, you're theist,
That _is_ the definition of theism, dufus: "Belief in the
existence of a god or gods" --The American Heritage
Dictionary That you prefer your own personal, special definition
isn't going lend your position any credibility among
rational people. Just the opposite, if you believe that your
special, self serving definition should be the default.
and
disbelief towards over 1,800 gods, demons, devils,
& goddesses is of no consequence as to one's sup-
posed blessed (by social standards, a least in the
western & Arab worlds) theistic status.
Let's see. Atheists lack a belief in any gods. But
you're saying that if an atheist changes his mind and
decides to believe in a god, then he is still 99.999%
atheist. If someone is 99.xxx% atheist then what do
you care about that lousy .001% that isn't atheist?
Why are you ranting about people who are, according
to you, 99.9999% like you? Because you demand an
Aryan-like purity of belief? You are intollerant of any
difference in people from you, down to one thousandth
of one percent difference??
Theists
Theists? What theists?
and those who've been seduced into their
illusion, blank their minds when it comes to their athe-
istic views towards almost every single magical being,
spare the ones of their own culture, as if those vie ws
& atheism are unrelated.
What THEISTS? According to you there ARE NO
THEISTS. Everyone is at least 97-99% pure
atheist. According to you.
You, sir, are submitting to the theistic delusion, a pro-
found fallacy bespeaking of covering up the extent of
atheism among so-called theists.
I guess you are almost entirely clueless about logical
fallacies and logic, aren't you?
Belief in -1- God does not = belief in all gods, nor
does it = b elief in any god, nor does it = belief in
all demons/devils, not does it = belief in any demon/
devil, not does it = belief in all goddesses, nor does
it = belief in any goddess.
In fact, what belief in -1- God does =, in the over-
whelming number of non-polytheistic instances, dis-
belief in almost every single god ever promoted in
human history. Atheism, almost to the tune of 100%.
And yet here you are, bitching about theists who
according to you don't exist How rational is that?
Hinduism, by the way, followed by far less than 20%
of humans.
You, sir, if you disbelieve in all of the over 1,800
gods/goddesses/devils/demons, are 100% atheist.
99% atheist, 100% atheist, who cares, except you?
If you disbelieve in almost all of them, but hold out
an agnostic view towards a few, you're over 99.7%
atheist.
And that isn't good enough for you? Virtually all people
alive or who ever lived were/are either 100% atheist or
no less than 99.7% atheist and still you *****! Why are
you bitching about theists when you claim that, in reality,
it is the atheist who predominates? It is only atheists,
according to you, who commit murder, commit high
crimes and mis- demeanors, fornicater, commit adultery,
commit pedophilia, lie, steal, backstab, gossip, connive,
deceive, manipulate, threaten, fear-monger, and seek to
deprive anyone and everyone of their freedom to choose
to believe or disbelieve?
And frankly I resent you characterizing theists as atheists
and your chronic use of sophistry and logical fallacy while
overtly identifying your self as a humanist. I have to wonder
again if you actually are trying to smear atheists and humanists
by doing this. It wouldn't be the first time a stealth fundy
pretended to be an atheist and behaved badly for that goal.
In all likelihood, being that you are logically
challenged,
Amusingly ironic.
Being that you post in the
humanism newsgroup frequently, one presumes
you have something going on in the area of human-
ism.Is it advocacy, something you rarely (if ever)
show, or is it skepticism, something you offer often
when pro-humanistic or doubt-towards-gods posi-
tions are presented?
Interesting that you take the passive voice here ("are
presented") Implying that he is skeptical of any other
so-called humanist except you is dishonest You also
less than honestly imply that he is skeptical of you
because you are allegedly a humanist. He objects to your
***** claims and so do I. This phony: "I'm being persecuted
because of who I am" victimhood of yours is also straight
out of the fundy playbook. It is also is a lie, and you
know it. If you think you should get a pass because you
pin the label "humanist" on yourself then you'd be
happier as a fundy because that is what THEY do.
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30 Jan 2005 10:00:25 PM |
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<jfacts@earthlink.net> wrote
[a post promoting the social-cultural deception
that belief in 1 of over 1800 gods, goddesses,
devils, and demons places believers into a camp
of social worthiness, while disbelief in just 1 more
god than that places folks into a marginalized
camp antithetical to the over 99.7% disbeliever
camp]
Theists practice atheism towards almost all gods.
The society you live within wants you to accept
*their* view of belief and disbelief, their deception
that they're not atheistic in any way. To the extent
you continue to accept their deception, you're
playing right into their hands.
To the extent that you notice that believers dis-
believe in the same aggregate of gods, god-
desses, devils, and demons that disbelievers
do, only disbelievers have the wisdom to have
an atheistic view towards just a few more deities
than they do?
You may be empowered to point that out when
theists are touting their "us vs. them" views
during theist vs. atheist debates. You'll have
the knowledge, if not the wisdom, to note that
believers & disbelievers have a lot more in
common than society, at large, is willing to
notice, most often.
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http://fire.prohosting.com/prohuman
(Freethinking Realist Exploring
Expressive Liberty, Openness,
Verity, Enlightenment, & Rationality)
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| User: "David V." |
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31 Jan 2005 03:34:38 AM |
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Pro-Humanist FREELOVER wrote:
<jfacts@earthlink.net> wrote
[a post promoting the social-cultural deception that belief
in 1 of over 1800 gods, goddesses, devils, and demons places
believers into a camp of social worthiness, while disbelief
in just 1 more god than that places folks into a
marginalized camp antithetical to the over 99.7% disbeliever
camp]
Theists practice atheism towards almost all gods.
Only if you redefine Atheism to something it isn't. Your argument
is dishonest..... just like you.
--
Dave
.....If you are open to the point of gullibility and have not an
ounce of skeptical sense in you, then you cannot distinguish
the useful ideas from the worthless ones - Carl Sagan, 1987.
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| User: "Pro-Humanist FREELOVER" |
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31 Jan 2005 04:24:21 AM |
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"David V." wrote ...
"Pro-Humanist FREELOVER" wrote ...
<jfacts@earthlink.net> wrote
[a post promoting the social-cultural deception that belief
in 1 of over 1800 gods, goddesses, devils, and demons places
believers into a camp of social worthiness, while disbelief
in just 1 more god than that places folks into a
marginalized camp antithetical to the over 99.7% disbeliever
camp]
Theists practice atheism towards almost all gods. [...]
Only if you redefine Atheism to something it isn't. [...]
Words have meanings within contexts. Thinking minds
can read context and comprehend meaning. Closed
minds can't. The straight-forward concept that a person
who rejects a god proposed is atheistic towards that
god construct is understandable by anyone with an
inkling of human intelligence.
Someone who chooses to play the language game in
a manner prejudicially favorable to the way in which reli-
gious devotees, in times past, constructed language
to promote their own biases? They tend to get stuck
in close-minded ruts constructed by the religious, for
the religious.
The society you live within wants you to accept
*their* view of belief and disbelief, their deception
that they're not atheistic in any way. To the extent
you continue to accept their deception, you're
playing right into their hands.
To the extent that you notice that believers dis-
believe in the same aggregate of gods, god-
desses, devils, and demons that disbelievers
do, only disbelievers have the wisdom to have
an atheistic view towards just a few more deities
than they do?
You may be empowered to point that out when
theists are touting their "us vs. them" views
during theist vs. atheist debates. You'll have
the knowledge, if not the wisdom, to note that
believers & disbelievers have a lot more in
common than society, at large, is willing to
notice, most often.
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http://fire.prohosting.com/prohuman
(Freethinking Realist Exploring
Expressive Liberty, Openness,
Verity, Enlightenment, & Rationality)
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| User: "David V." |
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31 Jan 2005 05:14:45 AM |
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Pro-Humanist FREELOVER wrote:
"David V." wrote ...
"Pro-Humanist FREELOVER" wrote ...
<jfacts@earthlink.net> wrote
[a post promoting the social-cultural deception that
belief in 1 of over 1800 gods, goddesses, devils, and
demons places believers into a camp of social
worthiness, while disbelief in just 1 more god than that
places folks into a marginalized camp antithetical to
the over 99.7% disbeliever camp]
Theists practice atheism towards almost all gods. [...]
Only if you redefine Atheism to something it isn't. [...]
Words have meanings within contexts.
Not that dishonest argument! Christians use it quite often to
explain their lies.
--
Dave
.....If you are open to the point of gullibility and have not an
ounce of skeptical sense in you, then you cannot distinguish
the useful ideas from the worthless ones - Carl Sagan, 1987.
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| User: "Pro-Humanist FREELOVER" |
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31 Jan 2005 07:30:53 PM |
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"David V." wrote ...
"Pro-Humanist FREELOVER" wrote ...
"David V." wrote ...
"Pro-Humanist FREELOVER" wrote ...
<jfacts@earthlink.net> wrote
[a post promoting the social-cultural deception that
belief in 1 of over 1800 gods, goddesses, devils, and
demons places believers into a camp of social
worthiness, while disbelief in just 1 more god than that
places folks into a marginalized camp antithetical to
the over 99.7% disbeliever camp]
Theists practice atheism towards almost all gods. [...]
Only if you redefine Atheism to something it isn't. [...]
Words have meanings within contexts. [...]
Not that dishonest argument! Christians use it quite often
to explain their lies.
Illogical reply to a well-reasoned position that
your closed mind refused to think about. For one,
I'm not a christian, so your reply has nothing to
do with me. For another, every living being on
the planet lies, many times, each day, in various
ways, and that has nothing to do with the manner
that context is required for understanding words,
something you know full-well but are attempting
to deceive us about in order to try to justify your
closed mind on these matters.
Close-minded nonthinkers like you use intentional
misrepresentation of the clear and reasonable
position presented in this thread to try to apply
nonsensical restraints on human thought, as iter-
ated in the part of the post you failed to address:
"Pro-Humanist FREELOVER" <prohumanist@gr8mail.com>
wrote in message news:365q47F4tst98U1@individual.net...
[...] Thinking minds
can read context and comprehend meaning. Closed
minds can't. The straight-forward concept that a person
who rejects a god proposed is atheistic towards that
god construct is understandable by anyone with an
inkling of human intelligence.
Someone who chooses to play the language game in
a manner prejudicially favorable to the way in which reli-
gious devotees, in times past, constructed language
to promote their own biases? They tend to get stuck
in close-minded ruts constructed by the religious, for
the religious.
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Pro-Humanist FREELOVER
http://fire.prohosting.com/prohuman
(Freethinking Realist Exploring
Expressive Liberty, Openness,
Verity, Enlightenment, & Rationality)
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| User: "David V." |
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| Title: Re: Did you know that most are over 99.7% atheist? |
01 Feb 2005 12:03:18 AM |
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Pro-Humanist FREELOVER wrote:
"David V." wrote ...
"Pro-Humanist FREELOVER" wrote ...
"David V." wrote ...
"Pro-Humanist FREELOVER" wrote ...
<jfacts@earthlink.net> wrote
[a post promoting the social-cultural deception that
belief in 1 of over 1800 gods, goddesses, devils,
and demons places believers into a camp of social
worthiness, while disbelief in just 1 more god than
that places folks into a marginalized camp
antithetical to the over 99.7% disbeliever camp]
Theists practice atheism towards almost all gods.
[...]
Only if you redefine Atheism to something it isn't.
[...]
Words have meanings within contexts. [...]
Not that dishonest argument! Christians use it quite often
to explain their lies.
Illogical reply to a well-reasoned position....
Your position is not "well-reasoned." It's a logical fallacy.
--
Dave
.....If you are open to the point of gullibility and have not an
ounce of skeptical sense in you, then you cannot distinguish
the useful ideas from the worthless ones - Carl Sagan, 1987.
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| User: "" |
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31 Jan 2005 09:05:28 PM |
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Pro-Humanist FREELOVER wrote:
"David V." wrote ...
"Pro-Humanist FREELOVER" wrote ...
<jfacts@earthlink.net> wrote
[a post promoting the social-cultural deception that belief
in 1 of over 1800 gods, goddesses, devils, and demons places
believers into a camp of social worthiness, while disbelief
in just 1 more god than that places folks into a
marginalized camp antithetical to the over 99.7% disbeliever
camp]
Theists practice atheism towards almost all gods. [...]
Only if you redefine Atheism to something it isn't. [...]
Words have meanings within contexts.
Which is why you delete them.
Thinking minds
can read context and comprehend meaning. Closed
minds can't.
Thanks for admitting it. And closed, frightened minds
can't tolerate disagreement and so must eliminate it
as if it never existed.
The straight-forward concept that a person
who rejects a god proposed is atheistic towards that
god construct is understandable by anyone with an
inkling of human intelligence.
Straw man. It's your other silly claim that the number
of gods you accept is directly proportional to the
degree you are a theist that is bogus. But you knew that.
Someone who chooses to play the language game
The bone-head version of which is to simply delete all
dissent and pretend to himself it never existed. Too bad
he can't eliminate it from the record. He is the only
one who pretends it isn't there.
in a manner prejudicially favorable to the way in which reli-
gious devotees, in times past, constructed language
to promote their own biases?
This sentence is very nearly coherent. What are you
trying to say, sport?
They tend to get stuck
in close-minded ruts constructed by the religious, for
the religious.
You think very much like a fundy. For instance, as we can
see, you believe that merely asserting your unsupported
opinion is sufficient to establish it true, and is the equal of
arguing for it. I guess you have faith in your unevidenced
opinions. But rational folks don't rely on faith. They don't
need to.
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31 Jan 2005 07:30:37 PM |
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Pro-Humanist FREELOVER wrote:
<jfacts@earthlink.net> wrote
He says I "wrote" and then doesn't quote a single word
of mine. You can't even defend your own position!
How are you going to debunk a believer? LOL!
[a post promoting the social-cultural deception
that belief in 1 of over 1800 gods, goddesses,
devils, and demons places believers into a camp
of social worthiness, while disbelief in just 1 more
god than that places folks into a marginalized
camp antithetical to the over 99.7% disbeliever
camp]
Theists practice atheism towards almost all gods.
The society you live within wants you to accept
*their* view of belief and disbelief, their deception
that they're not atheistic in any way. To the extent
you continue to accept their deception, you're
playing right into their hands.
To the extent that you notice that believers dis-
believe in the same aggregate of gods, god-
desses, devils, and demons that disbelievers
do, only disbelievers have the wisdom to have
an atheistic view towards just a few more deities
than they do?
You may be empowered to point that out when
theists are tout ing their "us vs. them" views
during theist vs. atheist debates. You'll have
the knowledge, if not the wisdom, to note that
believers & disbelievers have a lot more in
common than society, at large, is willing to
notice, most often.
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? - ? - ? - ? - ? - ? - ? - ? - ? - ? - ? - ?
~~~
Pro-Humanist FREELOVER
http://fire.prohosting.com/prohuman
(Freethinking Realist Exploring
Expressive Liberty, Openness,
Verity, Enlightenment, & Rationality)
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| User: "David V." |
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30 Jan 2005 06:41:47 AM |
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Pro-Humanist FREELOVER wrote:
"David V.", wrote:
"Pro-Humanist FREELOVER" wrote, among many other things ...
--- Over 1,800 Gods, Goddesses, Devils, and Demons?
If one believes in or allows for the possibility of the
actual existence of, oh I dunno, let's say, 5 of them,
that individual is over 99.7% atheist! [...]
Logical fallacy [...]
Atheist must be 100% disbelief.....
No, it just has to be a lack of belief in gods. The number of
gods not believed in is irrelevant.
--
Dave
.....If you are open to the point of gullibility and have not an
ounce of skeptical sense in you, then you cannot distinguish
the useful ideas from the worthless ones - Carl Sagan, 1987.
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| User: "Pro-Humanist FREELOVER" |
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30 Jan 2005 07:21:45 AM |
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"David V." wrote ...
"Pro-Humanist FREELOVER" wrote ...
"David V.", wrote:
"Pro-Humanist FREELOVER" wrote, among many other things ...
--- Over 1,800 Gods, Goddesses, Devils, and Demons?
If one believes in or allows for the possibility of the
actual existence of, oh I dunno, let's say, 5 of them,
that individual is over 99.7% atheist! [...]
Logical fallacy [...]
Atheist must be 100% disbelief.....
No, it just has to be a lack of belief in gods. The number of
gods not believed in is irrelevant.
The key point you missed, repeated below, is that
those who claim social-cultural superiority via their
theism (belief in -1- god, typically) ignore and deny
their disbelief in over 99.7% of gods/goddesses/
demons/devils.
You see, they ***pretend*** they're not that bad
thing they oft-times demonize, that thing called
atheist or disbeliever, no, they're 100% THEIST.
They DENY, in their 100% THEIST delusion, that
they're disbelievers in over 99.7% of the gods,
goddesses, demons, devils surviving in written
human records.
You might be amazed, VERY amazed, to discuss
the degree of disbelief that so-called theists have
in every god but 1. You might be amazed, very
amazed, that the theists in western culture are,
by and large, so close to the disbelief of atheists
that the supposed 'war' between atheists and
theists is, on many levels, an absurdity.
In essence, almost every last person in the western
world is over 99.7% atheist, in FACT. To attempt
to deny that is naught but playing to the mythos
of the religious crowd, who like to pretend that by
believing in -1- God, they're 100% theists. No, they
are *not* 100% theist, they are, in fact, 99.7% atheist,
they just have been fooled by the society-culture
they've been raised in that belief in -1- God erases
the over 99.7% atheism they are part of. It does
*not* do that. The obfuscation and denial of the
99.7% atheism of almost all in the west is nothing
more than a reflection of the theistic lie almost
everyone has been subjected to.
There is no eraser for gods/goddesses/demons/
devils that theists *don't* believe in. Here's one that
has survived -- ALLAH.
The BS that ALLAH -is- the christian GOD is a logical
**impossibility**. It cannot be, based on the definition
of the disparate gods by both religions. That's one,
of many, theistic dances not in accordance with the
facts as promoted by totally disparate god beliefs.
Believe in Allah? You're screwed, per christian faith.
Believe in the Christian God? On many levels, per
many of the Islamic texts, you're screwed per islamic
faiths.
All else is ecumenical deceit, designed to keep faiths
afloat, not to own up to the nature of disparate and
irreconcilable claims regarding a god thingie.
Some say, oh forget about all the gods, I believe in
the biggest, baddest, toughest, most-powerful, the
one and only true (tm) god. That doesn't eliminate
the atheistic problem. You see, the christian god
beliefs say you must believe in a certain way, or
you're screwed. The muslim god beliefs say you
must believe in a certain way or you're screwed.
Believers cannot escape the nature of their beliefs.
Belief in a super-God (definition undefined) does
not relieve believers in culpability for all the tedium
of individual faiths. Every last one of the so-called
believers/theists is atheistic, pervasive, so much
so that for them to stand on some high horse of
theistic supremacy 'cause they've chosen *any*
God, is nonsensical and antithetical to the nature
of their **profound** atheism towards almost all
gods.
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Remainder of previous post which Dave V. failed
to address:
and anything short
of that is theist? Interesting, a position conducive
to the illusion that one is a believer rather than a
disbeliever when, point-in-fact, almost every single
believer believes in far less than 1 percent of the
gods/goddesses/devils/demons presented as pos-
sibilities, in human history, per surviving written records.
You know what? Aside from Hinduism, almost every-
one disbelieves in almost all gods. That's a fact.
Your logical fallacy is that you've bowed to the notion
of theists that if you believe in 1 god, you're theist, and
disbelief towards over 1,800 gods, demons, devils,
& goddesses is of no consequence as to one's sup-
posed blessed (by social standards, a least in the
western & Arab worlds) theistic status.
Theists and those who've been seduced into their
illusion, blank their minds when it comes to their athe-
istic views towards almost every single magical being,
spare the ones of their own culture, as if those views
& atheism are unrelated.
You, sir, are submitting to the theistic delusion, a pro-
found fallacy bespeaking of covering up the extent of
atheism among so-called theists.
Belief in -1- God does not = belief in all gods, nor
does it = belief in any god, nor does it = belief in
all demons/devils, not does it = belief in any demon/
devil, not does it = belief in all goddesses, nor does
it = belief in any goddess.
In fact, what belief in -1- God does =, in the over-
whelming number of non-polytheistic instances, dis-
belief in almost every single god ever promoted in
human history. Atheism, almost to the tune of 100%.
Hinduism, by the way, followed by far less than 20%
of humans.
You, sir, if you disbelieve in all of the over 1,800
gods/goddesses/devils/demons, are 100% atheist.
If you disbelieve in almost all of them, but hold out
an agnostic view towards a few, you're over 99.7%
atheist. In all likelihood, being that you are logically
challenged, and your pro-humanist acumen is all-but
nil, qualify as significantly humanistically challenged,
with one small caveat. Being that you post in the
humanism newsgroup frequently, one presumes
you have something going on in the area of human-
ism. Is it advocacy, something you rarely (if ever)
show, or is it skepticism, something you offer often
when pro-humanistic or doubt-towards-gods posi-
tions are presented?
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http://fire.prohosting.com/prohuman
(Freethinking Realist Exploring
Expressive Liberty, Openness,
Verity, Enlightenment, & Rationality)
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| User: "David V." |
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| Title: Re: Did you know that most are over 99.7% atheist? |
30 Jan 2005 06:27:08 PM |
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Pro-Humanist FREELOVER wrote:
"David V." wrote ...
"Pro-Humanist FREELOVER" wrote ...
"David V.", wrote:
"Pro-Humanist FREELOVER" wrote,
--- Over 1,800 Gods, Goddesses, Devils, and Demons?
If one believes in or allows for the possibility of
the actual existence of, oh I dunno, let's say, 5 of
them, that individual is over 99.7% atheist! [...]
Logical fallacy [...]
Atheist must be 100% disbelief.....
No, it just has to be a lack of belief in gods. The number
of gods not believed in is irrelevant.
The key point you missed,.....
Your "key point" is not a point at all. Which is why I deleted it
the first time. If your premise is bogus, then your explanation
of it will be the same.
--
Dave
.....If you are open to the point of gullibility and have not an
ounce of skeptical sense in you, then you cannot distinguish
the useful ideas from the worthless ones - Carl Sagan, 1987.
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