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11 Nov 2004 05:37:06 AM |
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Discovery Institute thinks Cobb lawyers blew it |
"You know Billy, we blew it." Wyatt (aka Captain America) in
Easyrider
From the article:
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Can Cobb Co. Attorney Overcome Trial Mistakes in Time to Save School
District? Legal Expert Doubts It
Thursday November 11, 6:10 am ET
ATLANTA, Nov. 11 /PRNewswire/ -- "Either this attorney threw the case
on purpose," says legal analyst Seth Cooper, an expert on the legal
aspects of teaching evolution, "or he simply doesn't know what he was
doing. This was a textbook case. Literally. And he blew it."
The defense mounted this week by the Cobb Co. School District's
attorney Linwood Gunn is being criticized for not calling expert
witnesses to rebut those of the plaintiff. While the plaintiff's
attorneys called multiple witnesses including a scientist, Gunn only
called one witness, who was not a scientist.
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Read it at http://biz.yahoo.com/prnews/041111/sfth023_1.html
J. Spaceman
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| User: "Seamus Ma Cleriec" |
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11 Nov 2004 11:05:35 AM |
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Jason Spaceman <notreally@jspaceman.homelinux.org> wrote in message news:<uuj6p0dr0ddlukgfjv99pd67s3ic1sdlo7@4ax.com>...
"You know Billy, we blew it." Wyatt (aka Captain America) in
Easyrider
From the article:
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Can Cobb Co. Attorney Overcome Trial Mistakes in Time to Save School
District? Legal Expert Doubts It
Thursday November 11, 6:10 am ET
ATLANTA, Nov. 11 /PRNewswire/ -- "Either this attorney threw the case
on purpose," says legal analyst Seth Cooper, an expert on the legal
aspects of teaching evolution, "or he simply doesn't know what he was
doing. This was a textbook case. Literally. And he blew it."
The defense mounted this week by the Cobb Co. School District's
attorney Linwood Gunn is being criticized for not calling expert
witnesses to rebut those of the plaintiff. While the plaintiff's
attorneys called multiple witnesses including a scientist, Gunn only
called one witness, who was not a scientist.
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Read it at http://biz.yahoo.com/prnews/041111/sfth023_1.html
J. Spaceman
Perhaps there are no credible "expert" witnesses ?
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| User: "Elf M. Sternberg" |
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11 Nov 2004 11:34:12 AM |
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(Seamus Ma' Cleriec) writes:
Perhaps there are no credible "expert" witnesses ?
Since when does the immanent Word O' God need a credible expert
witness?
Elf
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| User: "eyelessgame" |
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11 Nov 2004 02:42:40 PM |
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Jason Spaceman <notreally@jspaceman.homelinux.org> wrote in message news:<uuj6p0dr0ddlukgfjv99pd67s3ic1sdlo7@4ax.com>...
"You know Billy, we blew it." Wyatt (aka Captain America) in
Easyrider
From the article:
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Can Cobb Co. Attorney Overcome Trial Mistakes in Time to Save School
District? Legal Expert Doubts It
Thursday November 11, 6:10 am ET
ATLANTA, Nov. 11 /PRNewswire/ -- "Either this attorney threw the case
on purpose," says legal analyst Seth Cooper, an expert on the legal
aspects of teaching evolution, "or he simply doesn't know what he was
doing. This was a textbook case. Literally. And he blew it."
The defense mounted this week by the Cobb Co. School District's
attorney Linwood Gunn is being criticized for not calling expert
witnesses to rebut those of the plaintiff. While the plaintiff's
attorneys called multiple witnesses including a scientist, Gunn only
called one witness, who was not a scientist.
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Fascinating. Obviously any real scientist would have been death to
his case to put up there, but I may be on the DI's side here. There
must be "scientists" willing to ***** for the creationist agenda (or
who are outside their field of expertise and deluded about science)
who could have been put on the stand.
Assuming he did his due diligence, I wonder what he found that would
have prohibited putting a con artist up there to lie. (Or maybe he did
his due diligence, realized the people he could have put up there
would be lying, and ethically decided not to present those witnesses.
And don't play canards about lawyers not having ethics. They do --
they just have *different* ethics than the rest of us. One of their
ethics is that they can't put a witness up if they know the witness is
going to lie.)
eyelessgame
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| User: "Dick C" |
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11 Nov 2004 12:32:32 PM |
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Jason Spaceman wrote in talk.origins
"You know Billy, we blew it." Wyatt (aka Captain America) in
Easyrider
From the article:
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Can Cobb Co. Attorney Overcome Trial Mistakes in Time to Save School
District? Legal Expert Doubts It
Thursday November 11, 6:10 am ET
ATLANTA, Nov. 11 /PRNewswire/ -- "Either this attorney threw the case
on purpose," says legal analyst Seth Cooper, an expert on the legal
aspects of teaching evolution, "or he simply doesn't know what he was
doing. This was a textbook case. Literally. And he blew it."
The defense mounted this week by the Cobb Co. School District's
attorney Linwood Gunn is being criticized for not calling expert
witnesses to rebut those of the plaintiff. While the plaintiff's
attorneys called multiple witnesses including a scientist, Gunn only
called one witness, who was not a scientist.
What is a lawyer to do? He is supposed to defend a stupid religious
based practice passed by school board consisting of ignorant and
uninformed people. And to complain because no scientist was called?
There are no scientists to back up the disclaimer.
If it were a murder trial, the prosecution would have provided 10
eyewitnesses, a video of the murder, the defendants fingerprints and
DNA all over the murder scene. The defense could only call the defendants
mother to say he couldn't have done it.
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Read it at http://biz.yahoo.com/prnews/041111/sfth023_1.html
J. Spaceman
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safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."
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Home Page: dickcr.iwarp.com
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| User: "Christopher A. Lee" |
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| Title: Re: Discovery Institute thinks Cobb lawyers blew it |
11 Nov 2004 01:03:36 PM |
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On Thu, 11 Nov 2004 18:32:32 +0000 (UTC), ***** C
<foo.dickcr@comcast.net> wrote:
Jason Spaceman wrote in talk.origins
"You know Billy, we blew it." Wyatt (aka Captain America) in
Easyrider
From the article:
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Can Cobb Co. Attorney Overcome Trial Mistakes in Time to Save School
District? Legal Expert Doubts It
Thursday November 11, 6:10 am ET
ATLANTA, Nov. 11 /PRNewswire/ -- "Either this attorney threw the case
on purpose," says legal analyst Seth Cooper, an expert on the legal
aspects of teaching evolution, "or he simply doesn't know what he was
doing. This was a textbook case. Literally. And he blew it."
The defense mounted this week by the Cobb Co. School District's
attorney Linwood Gunn is being criticized for not calling expert
witnesses to rebut those of the plaintiff. While the plaintiff's
attorneys called multiple witnesses including a scientist, Gunn only
called one witness, who was not a scientist.
What is a lawyer to do? He is supposed to defend a stupid religious
based practice passed by school board consisting of ignorant and
uninformed people. And to complain because no scientist was called?
There are no scientists to back up the disclaimer.
If it were a murder trial, the prosecution would have provided 10
eyewitnesses, a video of the murder, the defendants fingerprints and
DNA all over the murder scene. The defense could only call the defendants
mother to say he couldn't have done it.
They have a track record doing this - the creationists called Handrail
Sickrooms as an expert witness in the infamous Mc Clean vs Arkansas
Board of Education case.
He is an astronomer, and a colleague of Hoyle's. Both proponents of
Panspermia who saw amino acids in interstellar dust clouds. They had
fallen for the bogus probability argument and thought that life was so
unlikely the Earth had to be seeded from space. After which it
evolved.
The creationists assumed that anybody who was out of step with
mainstream science would be on their side.
They didn't bother to find out what his views were, or to prep him.
The judge couldn't understand why they chose an expert witness who
demolished their own case.
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| User: "AC" |
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11 Nov 2004 07:47:10 PM |
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On Thu, 11 Nov 2004 19:03:36 +0000 (UTC),
Christopher A. Lee <calee@optonline.net> wrote:
On Thu, 11 Nov 2004 18:32:32 +0000 (UTC), ***** C
<foo.dickcr@comcast.net> wrote:
Jason Spaceman wrote in talk.origins
"You know Billy, we blew it." Wyatt (aka Captain America) in
Easyrider
From the article:
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Can Cobb Co. Attorney Overcome Trial Mistakes in Time to Save School
District? Legal Expert Doubts It
Thursday November 11, 6:10 am ET
ATLANTA, Nov. 11 /PRNewswire/ -- "Either this attorney threw the case
on purpose," says legal analyst Seth Cooper, an expert on the legal
aspects of teaching evolution, "or he simply doesn't know what he was
doing. This was a textbook case. Literally. And he blew it."
The defense mounted this week by the Cobb Co. School District's
attorney Linwood Gunn is being criticized for not calling expert
witnesses to rebut those of the plaintiff. While the plaintiff's
attorneys called multiple witnesses including a scientist, Gunn only
called one witness, who was not a scientist.
What is a lawyer to do? He is supposed to defend a stupid religious
based practice passed by school board consisting of ignorant and
uninformed people. And to complain because no scientist was called?
There are no scientists to back up the disclaimer.
If it were a murder trial, the prosecution would have provided 10
eyewitnesses, a video of the murder, the defendants fingerprints and
DNA all over the murder scene. The defense could only call the defendants
mother to say he couldn't have done it.
They have a track record doing this - the creationists called Handrail
Sickrooms as an expert witness in the infamous Mc Clean vs Arkansas
Board of Education case.
He is an astronomer, and a colleague of Hoyle's. Both proponents of
Panspermia who saw amino acids in interstellar dust clouds. They had
fallen for the bogus probability argument and thought that life was so
unlikely the Earth had to be seeded from space. After which it
evolved.
The creationists assumed that anybody who was out of step with
mainstream science would be on their side.
They didn't bother to find out what his views were, or to prep him.
The judge couldn't understand why they chose an expert witness who
demolished their own case.
It rather speaks to the ingrained myopia of the Creationist worldview.
--
Aaron Clausen
mightymartianca@hotmail.com
"My illness is due to my doctor's insistence that I drink milk, a
whitish fluid they force down helpless babies." - WC Fields
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| User: "John McKendry" |
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11 Nov 2004 03:01:13 PM |
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On Thu, 11 Nov 2004 19:03:36 +0000, Christopher A. Lee wrote:
On Thu, 11 Nov 2004 18:32:32 +0000 (UTC), ***** C
<foo.dickcr@comcast.net> wrote:
Jason Spaceman wrote in talk.origins
"You know Billy, we blew it." Wyatt (aka Captain America) in
Easyrider
From the article:
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Can Cobb Co. Attorney Overcome Trial Mistakes in Time to Save School
District? Legal Expert Doubts It
Thursday November 11, 6:10 am ET
ATLANTA, Nov. 11 /PRNewswire/ -- "Either this attorney threw the case
on purpose," says legal analyst Seth Cooper, an expert on the legal
aspects of teaching evolution, "or he simply doesn't know what he was
doing. This was a textbook case. Literally. And he blew it."
The defense mounted this week by the Cobb Co. School District's
attorney Linwood Gunn is being criticized for not calling expert
witnesses to rebut those of the plaintiff. While the plaintiff's
attorneys called multiple witnesses including a scientist, Gunn only
called one witness, who was not a scientist.
What is a lawyer to do? He is supposed to defend a stupid religious
based practice passed by school board consisting of ignorant and
uninformed people. And to complain because no scientist was called?
There are no scientists to back up the disclaimer.
If it were a murder trial, the prosecution would have provided 10
eyewitnesses, a video of the murder, the defendants fingerprints and
DNA all over the murder scene. The defense could only call the defendants
mother to say he couldn't have done it.
They have a track record doing this - the creationists called
Handrail Sickrooms
You might want to disable your spell-checker, or at least switch
from autocorrect to ask-me-first mode. I'm guessing that what you
actually typed was a lot closer to "Chandra Wickramasinghe" than
what you ended up with after your computer fixed it for you.
<snip>
John
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| User: "John Vreeland" |
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12 Nov 2004 09:02:38 AM |
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John McKendry <jmckendry@comcast.net> wrote
They have a track record doing this - the creationists called
Handrail Sickrooms...
You might want to disable your spell-checker, or at least switch
from autocorrect to ask-me-first mode. I'm guessing that what you
actually typed was a lot closer to "Chandra Wickramasinghe" than
what you ended up with after your computer fixed it for you.
LOL
I spent a good ten minutes trying to figure out who Handrail Sickrooms
was. Thank you John.
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| User: "Christopher A. Lee" |
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11 Nov 2004 02:07:03 PM |
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On Thu, 11 Nov 2004 19:03:36 +0000 (UTC), "Christopher A. Lee"
<calee@optonline.net> wrote:
On Thu, 11 Nov 2004 18:32:32 +0000 (UTC), ***** C
<foo.dickcr@comcast.net> wrote:
Jason Spaceman wrote in talk.origins
"You know Billy, we blew it." Wyatt (aka Captain America) in
Easyrider
From the article:
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Can Cobb Co. Attorney Overcome Trial Mistakes in Time to Save School
District? Legal Expert Doubts It
Thursday November 11, 6:10 am ET
ATLANTA, Nov. 11 /PRNewswire/ -- "Either this attorney threw the case
on purpose," says legal analyst Seth Cooper, an expert on the legal
aspects of teaching evolution, "or he simply doesn't know what he was
doing. This was a textbook case. Literally. And he blew it."
The defense mounted this week by the Cobb Co. School District's
attorney Linwood Gunn is being criticized for not calling expert
witnesses to rebut those of the plaintiff. While the plaintiff's
attorneys called multiple witnesses including a scientist, Gunn only
called one witness, who was not a scientist.
What is a lawyer to do? He is supposed to defend a stupid religious
based practice passed by school board consisting of ignorant and
uninformed people. And to complain because no scientist was called?
There are no scientists to back up the disclaimer.
If it were a murder trial, the prosecution would have provided 10
eyewitnesses, a video of the murder, the defendants fingerprints and
DNA all over the murder scene. The defense could only call the defendants
mother to say he couldn't have done it.
They have a track record doing this - the creationists called Handrail
Sickrooms as an expert witness in the infamous Mc Clean vs Arkansas
Board of Education case.
That was Chandra Wickramasinghe before the spell-checker barfed on it!
He is an astronomer, and a colleague of Hoyle's. Both proponents of
Panspermia who saw amino acids in interstellar dust clouds. They had
fallen for the bogus probability argument and thought that life was so
unlikely the Earth had to be seeded from space. After which it
evolved.
The creationists assumed that anybody who was out of step with
mainstream science would be on their side.
They didn't bother to find out what his views were, or to prep him.
The judge couldn't understand why they chose an expert witness who
demolished their own case.
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| User: "Hank" |
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11 Nov 2004 03:17:13 PM |
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"Christopher A. Lee" wrote:
On Thu, 11 Nov 2004 19:03:36 +0000 (UTC), "Christopher A. Lee"
<calee@optonline.net> wrote:
On Thu, 11 Nov 2004 18:32:32 +0000 (UTC), ***** C
<foo.dickcr@comcast.net> wrote:
Jason Spaceman wrote in talk.origins
"You know Billy, we blew it." Wyatt (aka Captain America) in
Easyrider
From the article:
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Can Cobb Co. Attorney Overcome Trial Mistakes in Time to Save School
District? Legal Expert Doubts It
Thursday November 11, 6:10 am ET
ATLANTA, Nov. 11 /PRNewswire/ -- "Either this attorney threw the case
on purpose," says legal analyst Seth Cooper, an expert on the legal
aspects of teaching evolution, "or he simply doesn't know what he was
doing. This was a textbook case. Literally. And he blew it."
The defense mounted this week by the Cobb Co. School District's
attorney Linwood Gunn is being criticized for not calling expert
witnesses to rebut those of the plaintiff. While the plaintiff's
attorneys called multiple witnesses including a scientist, Gunn only
called one witness, who was not a scientist.
What is a lawyer to do? He is supposed to defend a stupid religious
based practice passed by school board consisting of ignorant and
uninformed people. And to complain because no scientist was called?
There are no scientists to back up the disclaimer.
If it were a murder trial, the prosecution would have provided 10
eyewitnesses, a video of the murder, the defendants fingerprints and
DNA all over the murder scene. The defense could only call the defendants
mother to say he couldn't have done it.
They have a track record doing this - the creationists called Handrail
Sickrooms as an expert witness in the infamous Mc Clean vs Arkansas
Board of Education case.
That was Chandra Wickramasinghe before the spell-checker barfed on it!
For a minute there I thought it was an intro into a Monty Python
sketch...
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Assimilate a pitiful little species like you? I think not! - Q of Borg
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| User: "A. Carlson" |
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11 Nov 2004 05:18:21 PM |
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On Thu, 11 Nov 2004 11:37:06 +0000 (UTC), Jason Spaceman
<notreally@jspaceman.homelinux.org> wrote:
"You know Billy, we blew it." Wyatt (aka Captain America) in
Easyrider
From the article:
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Can Cobb Co. Attorney Overcome Trial Mistakes in Time to Save School
District? Legal Expert Doubts It
Thursday November 11, 6:10 am ET
ATLANTA, Nov. 11 /PRNewswire/ -- "Either this attorney threw the case
on purpose," says legal analyst Seth Cooper, an expert on the legal
aspects of teaching evolution, "or he simply doesn't know what he was
doing. This was a textbook case. Literally. And he blew it."
The defense mounted this week by the Cobb Co. School District's
attorney Linwood Gunn is being criticized for not calling expert
witnesses to rebut those of the plaintiff. While the plaintiff's
attorneys called multiple witnesses including a scientist, Gunn only
called one witness, who was not a scientist.
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Read it at http://biz.yahoo.com/prnews/041111/sfth023_1.html
J. Spaceman
Regarding the stickers, was ID really the issue anyway? I thought the
issue was over the definition of 'theory' with respect to science!
Grant it, ID would be a benefactor of the confusion that the DI was
attempting to sow here, but that's a different issue. The attorney
for the government was being asked to defend not DI but a dubious
definition of 'theory'. Does DI even claim that Evolution is 'only a
theory' as the sticker says?
Alex
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| User: "Bobby D. Bryant" |
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11 Nov 2004 06:51:57 AM |
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On Thu, 11 Nov 2004, Jason Spaceman <notreally@jspaceman.homelinux.org> wrote:
"You know Billy, we blew it." Wyatt (aka Captain America) in
Easyrider
From the article:
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Can Cobb Co. Attorney Overcome Trial Mistakes in Time to Save School
District? Legal Expert Doubts It
Ah, such a crisis that the district needs to be "saved".
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Bobby Bryant
Austin, Texas
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| User: "Jason Spaceman" |
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11 Nov 2004 06:52:09 AM |
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Reed Cartwright has some more information on the trial at
http://www.dererumnatura.us/archives/2004/11/information_on.html
J. Spaceman
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My email address (notreally@jspaceman.homelinux.org) is fake. Email sent to it
will only get caught in my spam tarpit.
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