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User:	"Jd"
Date:	27 Aug 2003 09:14:17 PM
Object:	Dixie and Gallup say 80% of America FOR Moore

And that stands to reason since most polls and figures I've seen
show that anywhere between 80% and 90% of Americans are
Christian.
Question is... WHEN are they Christians? Obviously on 911 they
were all Christians. You turned on your TV and you say everyone
praying and being seriously religious as if to invoke Almighty
God against terrorists worldwide. The nation became united in
it's goal to get revenge for New York City and in it's agreement
that God was "on our side".
Yes, they're still Christians. Only now many of them have settled
for merely answering opinion polls. But certainly not "all" of
them as you've seen and will continue to see.
Obviously, the rules have changed and will keep on changing as
"change" is a built in principle of man made laws - seeing as how
God gave men the duty of governing themselves.
Genesis 9:6 "Whoso sheddeth man's blood, by man shall his blood
be shed: for in the image of God made he man."

It should therefore come as no great surprise when men created in
the image of God... reflect the views of God Himself.
"Ten Commandments monument moved"
New poll says Americans disapprove of federal court order
Wednesday, August 27, 2003 Posted: 5:59 PM EDT (2159 GMT)
MONTGOMERY, Alabama (CNN) -- Only one in five Americans approve
of the federal court order under which workers removed the Ten
Commandments monument from the rotunda of Alabama's state
judicial building Wednesday, according to a new poll.
The new CNN-USA Today-Gallup poll found 77 percent of the 1,009
Americans interviewed earlier this week disapproved of U.S.
District Judge Myron Thompson's order to remove the monument.
http://www.cnn.com/2003/LAW/08/27/ten.commandments/index.html
------------------------------------------------------------------------
For Immediate Release - 27 August 2003
SPECIAL STATEMENT FROM THE LEAGUE OF THE SOUTH ON THE TEN
COMMANDMENTS MONUMENT REMOVAL
"The Ten Commandments monument has now been moved from public
view and the will of the people of Alabama has been thwarted by a
single federal judge. This is the essence of federal judicial
tyranny. Judge Roy Moore, in placing a monument of the Ten
Commandments in the rotunda of the Alabama Judicial Building in
Montgomery, spoke for the great majority of Alabamians who wish
to acknowledge the fundamental nature of the Decalogue to our
system of law and government. It is our fervent hope that when
the Professional Protestors from outside our State (who
apparently consider Alabama as a sort of colony to exploit for
their photo-op grandstanding) finally leave, that native
Alabamians will rally to punish our elected officials-Governor
Riley, Attorney General Pryor, and the eight Associate
Justices-who betrayed the trust of their fellow citizens. We call
upon those Alabamians who still believe in State sovereignty and
oppose federal tyranny (and those civil magistrates among our
ranks who bow down before it) to unmercifully hound these craven
public officials during the remainder of their terms in office
and then to send them home at the next election. Politicians
always count on the people having short memories. But The League
of the South intends to keep this issue alive. Without States
Rights, we have no rights at all and are at the mercy of the
black-robed usurpers on the federal bench. Because it is the will
of the people of our sovereign State that the Ten Commandments
monument be publicly displayed in their own building, our
objectives from this point forth are 1) to see that it is moved
back to its original location, and 2) to make our State elected
officials who collaborated with the federal authorities pay the
ultimate political price for their actions. This is a matter of
principle. It is also a matter of showing real and potential
tyrants that the people still control Alabama. Audemus jura
nostra defendere!"
END OF RELEASE
http://www.dixienet.org/dnframeset.html
"What shall we then say to these things? If God be for us, who
can be against us?" (Romans 8:31)
Jd
"Is not my word like as a fire? saith the Lord; and like a hammer
that breaketh the rock in pieces?" (Jeremiah 23:29)
.

User: "Dave Thompson"
Title: Re: Dixie and Gallup say 80% of America FOR Moore	27 Aug 2003 09:22:10 PM

"Jd" <jday123@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
news:cckqkvcq0gufj6inn5s77tf8u0fjq19mv4@4ax.com...

And that stands to reason since most polls and figures I've seen
show that anywhere between 80% and 90% of Americans are
Christian.

That's rather baseless considering most Christians don't hold the same
beliefs, and by all accounts at least half don't go to church.

Question is... WHEN are they Christians? Obviously on 911 they
were all Christians.

Not that I could see. No one in my family dropped to the floor and prayed
like a bunch of dogmatic idiots.
You turned on your TV and you say everyone

praying and being seriously religious as if to invoke Almighty

You must of been watching a different network. I saw nothing of the kind.

God against terrorists worldwide. The nation became united in
it's goal to get revenge for New York City and in it's agreement
that God was "on our side".

It's actually quite shamefull that you would use a national tragedy to
somehow gain supprt for your beliefs that we are a Christian nation. How
simply disgusting.
.

User: "Jd"
Title: Re: Dixie and Gallup say 80% of America FOR Moore	28 Aug 2003 09:09:54 AM

Dave Thompson wrote:

"Jd" <jday123@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
news:cckqkvcq0gufj6inn5s77tf8u0fjq19mv4@4ax.com...

And that stands to reason since most polls and figures I've seen
show that anywhere between 80% and 90% of Americans are
Christian.

That's rather baseless considering most Christians don't hold the same
beliefs, and by all accounts at least half don't go to church.

What? 80% of the population disagrees with you and you think it's
"baseless"?
"Ten Commandments monument moved"
New poll says Americans disapprove of federal court order
Wednesday, August 27, 2003 Posted: 5:59 PM EDT (2159 GMT)
MONTGOMERY, Alabama (CNN) -- Only one in five Americans approve
of the federal court order under which workers removed the Ten
Commandments monument from the rotunda of Alabama's state
judicial building Wednesday, according to a new poll.
The new CNN-USA Today-Gallup poll found 77 percent of the 1,009
Americans interviewed earlier this week disapproved of U.S.
District Judge Myron Thompson's order to remove the monument.
http://www.cnn.com/2003/LAW/08/27/ten.commandments/index.html
What would it take for it not to be "baseless" 99.999%?
(scientifically, that's known as "five 9's fine")
Jd
"Is not my word like as a fire? saith the Lord; and like a hammer
that breaketh the rock in pieces?" (Jeremiah 23:29)
.

User: "Dave Thompson"
Title: Re: Dixie and Gallup say 80% of America FOR Moore	28 Aug 2003 12:41:09 PM

"Jd" <jday123@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
news:s00skvcf76m9b84o64sbde8mhbp1huv5n0@4ax.com...

Dave Thompson wrote:

"Jd" <jday123@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
news:cckqkvcq0gufj6inn5s77tf8u0fjq19mv4@4ax.com...

And that stands to reason since most polls and figures I've seen
show that anywhere between 80% and 90% of Americans are
Christian.

That's rather baseless considering most Christians don't hold the same
beliefs, and by all accounts at least half don't go to church.

What? 80% of the population disagrees with you and you think it's
"baseless"?

Yes. If you believe that religion is a popularity contest I suggest you go
back and read your bible and wonder over the fact that at one time those
Christians were in the minority, and by your standards, wrong.
But that is besides the point. Fundies like yourself love to crow about all
Christians being in the same boat and then turn around and call Catholics
"Mary worshippers", Mormon's "Cultists", Jews "Unfinished", Jehovah
Witnesses "Wrong Headed" and so on and so forth. The fact is that if you
somehow got your way with government the next group you would turn on would
be other Christians. But I don't worry about this. The animosity that
evangelicals exhibit towards other Christians will eventually work it's way
to the surface, making your claim of Christian continuity a joke.

"Ten Commandments monument moved"
New poll says Americans disapprove of federal court order
Wednesday, August 27, 2003 Posted: 5:59 PM EDT (2159 GMT)

MONTGOMERY, Alabama (CNN) -- Only one in five Americans approve
of the federal court order under which workers removed the Ten
Commandments monument from the rotunda of Alabama's state
judicial building Wednesday, according to a new poll.

The new CNN-USA Today-Gallup poll found 77 percent of the 1,009
Americans interviewed earlier this week disapproved of U.S.
District Judge Myron Thompson's order to remove the monument.

http://www.cnn.com/2003/LAW/08/27/ten.commandments/index.html

What would it take for it not to be "baseless" 99.999%?
(scientifically, that's known as "five 9's fine")

I've seen polls done on the subject and this is the first one showing
support for Moore. What makes me believe this poll was spammed (which many
CNN polls are) is the overwhelming majority of the numbers. The small sample
size is also a flaw. The polls I believe to be more accurate were one done
by the Arizona Republic in conservative, church going Arizona, which had
over 2000 respondants with only 27% supporting Moore. There was also one
done on the studio audience on Crossfire with similar results, and an
earlier CNN poll that also had the same results. So when you put these three
polls that agree with each other and have a larger sampling pool it makes me
think that something was fishy with the Gallup poll.
If you'd like you can also compare the opinions in this newsgroup with the
poll. Most people here disagree with Moore. I also have to compare my
personal observations with my friends and family. My wife has 11 brothers
and sisters, all church goers of several different faiths brought up in a
Catholic background, and out of the 9 I or my wife has spoken to only three
think the commandments should stay. Out of my friends I haven't found even
one that supports Moore, though some could care less whether the monument is
there or not. So all in all I thnk the CNN poll is completely error ridden
and should not be considered valid at all. But even if it is corect it
doesn't change my opinion one little bit.

Jd

"Is not my word like as a fire? saith the Lord; and like a hammer
that breaketh the rock in pieces?" (Jeremiah 23:29)

User: "Gray Shockley"
Title: Re: Dixie and Gallup say 80% of America FOR Moore	19 Sep 2003 02:10:16 AM

On Thu, 28 Aug 2003 13:02:07 -0500, Cary Kittrell wrote
(in message <bilg2v$322$1@oasis.ccit.arizona.edu>):

<But that is besides the point. Fundies like yourself love to crow about all
<Christians being in the same boat and then turn around and call Catholics
<"Mary worshippers", Mormon's "Cultists", Jews "Unfinished", Jehovah
<Witnesses "Wrong Headed" and so on and so forth. The fact is that if you
<somehow got your way with government the next group you would turn on would
<be other Christians. But I don't worry about this. The animosity that
<evangelicals exhibit towards other Christians will eventually work it's way
<to the surface, making your claim of Christian continuity a joke.

Just remember Yossarian and whatsherface.
It is theologically important that you state unequivocally and, also, without
any misunderstanding, which god/gods/goddesses in which you do not believe.
Hairy thunderer or cosmic muffin (and a tip of the hairpiece to the wits and
halfwits up in Cambridge).
Gray Shockley
-------------------
So to speak
.

User: "Bob LeChevalier"
Title: Re: Dixie and Gallup say 80% of America FOR Moore	28 Aug 2003 02:05:37 PM

Jd <jday123@bellsouth.net> wrote:

Dave Thompson wrote:

"Jd" <jday123@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
news:cckqkvcq0gufj6inn5s77tf8u0fjq19mv4@4ax.com...

And that stands to reason since most polls and figures I've seen
show that anywhere between 80% and 90% of Americans are
Christian.

That's rather baseless considering most Christians don't hold the same
beliefs, and by all accounts at least half don't go to church.

Luckily most Americans aren't judges.

The new CNN-USA Today-Gallup poll found 77 percent of the 1,009
Americans interviewed earlier this week disapproved of U.S.
District Judge Myron Thompson's order to remove the monument.

The Constitution is not adjudicated by majority vote.
But by your "reasoning", several percent of Christians approve of the
order.
lojbab
--
lojbab

Bob LeChevalier, Founder, The Logical Language Group
(Opinions are my own; I do not speak for the organization.)
Artificial language Loglan/Lojban: http://www.lojban.org
.

User: "Jingo."
Title: Re: Dixie and Gallup say 80% of America FOR Moore	28 Aug 2003 12:33:44 AM

And that stands to reason since most polls and figures I've seen
show that anywhere between 80% and 90% of Americans are
Christian.

Most convicted criminals in prison are equally religious.

Dr. Michael Shermer in his book "How We Believe" points out how cultures
and societies in more oppressive, bad weather environments are more
religious/superstitious than those in milder climates, along beaches, etc.
It's obvious. The fundamental Christian faith is based on "I'm not worthy"
and how "God delivers us" etc etc.. it is the emotional equivalent to being
in trouble, and someone in authority giving you a reprieve.
The fact is, most people are in some sort of 'trouble', whether it be
financial, relational, or even external trouble as in feeling uneasy at the
way the world is... this makes the belief that GOD knows all, and has a
plan, and with a mere nod of HIS head can 'deliver' you, but also can allow
bad things to take their course, but of course for HIS larger plan, it
creates a psychology of dependence on that belief, and a feeling of "Oh Holy
God.. I give myself to you"...
Jingo., former Christian.
.

User: "Chris"
Title: Re: Dixie and Gallup say 80% of America FOR Moore	04 Sep 2003 01:20:21 AM

In article <5i0skv0u1t6qs87sts0544138v8glu8rp3@4ax.com>,
Jd <jday123@bellsouth.net> wrote:

What the heck is going on here?????????? You are suggesting by
quoting that guy, that you believe EVOLUTION plays a role in
empowering folks with religion in order to help them overcome
adversity.

But don't let me put words in your mouth. Tell me how you expect
to oppose and finally wipe "religion" from the face of the earth
if it is a product of evolution.

Living in caves and then graduating to huts and then to homes would be
evolutionary. Today we no longer needs to live in caves, and most of us
don't need to live in huts anymore either. Their usefulness has come and
gone. We don't deny their role in our past, but we don't ascribe to
needing them when clearly we don't.
Religion is by definition not fact based. It is faith based. It is
subject to changes in what is socially acceptable at a given point in
time. There have been enormous changes in fundamental believes in
religion from a macro view (many humans used to believe in Greek
mythology, most no longer do today but instead believe in some other
myth); but even within the lifetime of most Christians there have been
major changes, such as Vatican II. Before then the actual printing of
the bible on paper was a huge change for Christians who previous had no
written bible and its reading and interpretation was controlled by a
select few.
Monotheism is actually in the minority historically, and a fairly recent
human event. Most societies have been either polytheistic, polydeist,
monodeist or agnostic and just don't give a rat's ***** and prefer
non-deistic philosophies. It stands to reason monotheism will eventually
go the way of the do-do bird as a natural progression of humanity, just
like polytheism. Naturally this is not really that debatable because it
will take hundreds, maybe thousands of years to get the answer.
Chris
.

User: "Jd"
Title: Re: Dixie and Gallup say 80% of America FOR Moore	05 Sep 2003 09:48:32 PM

Chris wrote:

In article <5i0skv0u1t6qs87sts0544138v8glu8rp3@4ax.com>,
Jd <jday123@bellsouth.net> wrote:

Living in caves and then graduating to huts and then to homes would be
evolutionary. Today we no longer needs to live in caves, and most of us
don't need to live in huts anymore either. Their usefulness has come and
gone. We don't deny their role in our past, but we don't ascribe to
needing them when clearly we don't.

Religion is by definition not fact based. It is faith based. It is
subject to changes in what is socially acceptable at a given point in
time. There have been enormous changes in fundamental believes in
religion from a macro view (many humans used to believe in Greek
mythology, most no longer do today but instead believe in some other
myth); but even within the lifetime of most Christians there have been
major changes, such as Vatican II. Before then the actual printing of
the bible on paper was a huge change for Christians who previous had no
written bible and its reading and interpretation was controlled by a
select few.

Monotheism is actually in the minority historically, and a fairly recent
human event. Most societies have been either polytheistic, polydeist,
monodeist or agnostic and just don't give a rat's ***** and prefer
non-deistic philosophies....

I agree. Monotheism is unquestionably more progressive than the
so called "New Age" views of today. Perhaps that's one reason
pagans are so intolerant of Christianity... they want the "old
ways" of magic, witchcraft, spiritism, pantheism etc. etc.

..... It stands to reason monotheism will eventually
go the way of the do-do bird as a natural progression of humanity, just
like polytheism. Naturally this is not really that debatable because it
will take hundreds, maybe thousands of years to get the answer.

One reason I debate these things is because neo-pagans are
undermining the foundation of western civilization which is based
on Judeo-Christian principles and I hate seeing everything our
founders built going down the toilet.
As far as hundreds or thousands of years... well most Christians
would agree that every unrepentant soul among the living is only
one heartbeat from hell.
Jd
"Is not my word like as a fire? saith the Lord; and like a hammer
that breaketh the rock in pieces?" (Jeremiah 23:29)
.

User: "Jd"
Title: Re: Dixie and Gallup say 80% of America FOR Moore	15 Sep 2003 09:00:59 PM

Cary Kittrell wrote:

In article <p5g4mvcp1i6rftea052cvngejl9lut0mmc@4ax.com> FNC <feminazi_c_ntkins@hotmail.com> writes:
<
<hOn Fri, 12 Sep 2003 21:26:19 +0000 (UTC),

<(Cary Kittrell)wrote:
<
<>In article <8ua4mvoi9qbthktc7mvfo9nuk24465vlgs@4ax.com>
<>Jd <jday123@bellsouth.net> writes the not-so-devastating rebuttal:
<>
<><Lis the lez?
<
<It doesn't matter what the answer to this is, Jd, she's not gonna be
<interested.
<
<>And we're four for four folks! The crowd is on its feet!
<
<Did he already get the hat-trick?
<
<>No, wait...Carol, did you get your award yet? If not, I'd
<>complain bitterly.
<
<The ref is obviously biased. Or blind. Or intimidated.
<

Me, I suspect he's backed himself into a corner on that one
by trying to fend her off with the old "ask your husband"
brushoff.

I mean, he could hardly have said that the Bible commands
that Carol keep silent, wait, and ask her girlfriend at home
later.

-- cary

Is Carol a lez too?
Jd
.

User: "Chris"
Title: Re: Dixie and Gallup say 80% of America FOR Moore	05 Sep 2003 10:53:38 PM

In article <gm8ilvslleb2i11uu5cpkeookjbdqbcjig@4ax.com>,
Jd <jday123@bellsouth.net> wrote:

I agree. Monotheism is unquestionably more progressive than the
so called "New Age" views of today.

Can you demonstrate, prove, or otherwise offer a compelling argument on
this?
Monotheism is myth. Philosophy isn't inherently about a deity. It's
difficult to criticize either "new age" views that believe in crystals,
meditation, energy levels, and what have you, compared to a revealed
single deity. At least most progressive new age philosophies are more
apt to admit they don't have all of the answers and are on a quest.
Monotheism frequently claims to have all the answers to the exclusion of
all others yet cannot prove, demonstrate or otherwise provide
universally convincing arguments. Both are based on faith, but one at
least admits fallibility while the other stakes claims in devine
revelation.
I think you will find it quite an uphill battle to formulate a
convincing argument that there is one kind of mythology "unquestionably
more progressive" than another. In fact I've already disproven your
assertion by having questioned the unquestionable.

Perhaps that's one reason
pagans are so intolerant of Christianity... they want the "old
ways" of magic, witchcraft, spiritism, pantheism etc. etc.

A huge component of Christianity is pagan so I don't see how you can
criticize pagans without criticizing Christianity as well. Two of
Christianity's major holidays are based on pagan beliefs. The ritual of
blood and body of Christ is comparable to a number of pagan rituals even
predating Christ. I can't imagine what is more pagan than having an
altar in a church other than perhaps the burning of incense during
benediction.
You give humanity way too much credit in assuming that religions each
have unique orgin and haven't heavily drawn from other religions.

It is inevitable. And even if they had a great idea at the time does not
mean that it is a great idea for all time.

As far as hundreds or thousands of years... well most Christians
would agree that every unrepentant soul among the living is only
one heartbeat from hell.

And most children (at least in the U.S.) believe they are one bad deed
away from being naughty instead of nice, and not getting their reward
from Santa Claus for being personally responsible for the emotional and
mental well-being of their parents. I'm largely unconcerned with the
hangups of Christians insofar as their delusions don't affect me.
Chris
.

User: "Jd"
Title: Re: Dixie and Gallup say 80% of America FOR Moore	10 Sep 2003 07:17:05 PM

Chris wrote:

In article <gm8ilvslleb2i11uu5cpkeookjbdqbcjig@4ax.com>,
Jd <jday123@bellsouth.net> wrote:

I agree. Monotheism is unquestionably more progressive than the
so called "New Age" views of today.

Can you demonstrate, prove, or otherwise offer a compelling argument on
this?

Yes.

Monotheism is myth. Philosophy isn't inherently about a deity. It's
difficult to criticize either "new age" views that believe in crystals,
meditation, energy levels, and what have you, compared to a revealed
single deity. At least most progressive new age philosophies are more
apt to admit they don't have all of the answers and are on a quest.
Monotheism frequently claims to have all the answers to the exclusion of
all others yet cannot prove, demonstrate or otherwise provide
universally convincing arguments. Both are based on faith, but one at
least admits fallibility while the other stakes claims in devine
revelation.

I think you will find it quite an uphill battle to formulate a
convincing argument that there is one kind of mythology "unquestionably
more progressive" than another. In fact I've already disproven your
assertion by having questioned the unquestionable.

Fine. Then why am I still here?

Perhaps that's one reason
pagans are so intolerant of Christianity... they want the "old
ways" of magic, witchcraft, spiritism, pantheism etc. etc.

A huge component of Christianity is pagan so I don't see how you can
criticize pagans without criticizing Christianity as well. Two of
Christianity's major holidays are based on pagan beliefs. The ritual of
blood and body of Christ is comparable to a number of pagan rituals even
predating Christ. I can't imagine what is more pagan than having an
altar in a church other than perhaps the burning of incense during
benediction.

You give humanity way too much credit in assuming that religions each
have unique orgin and haven't heavily drawn from other religions.

It is inevitable. And even if they had a great idea at the time does not
mean that it is a great idea for all time.

As far as hundreds or thousands of years... well most Christians
would agree that every unrepentant soul among the living is only
one heartbeat from hell.

Well one things for sure, you won't the excuse of "I never heard"
on judgement day.
Jd
.

User: "Dave Thompson"
Title: Re: Dixie and Gallup say 80% of America FOR Moore	10 Sep 2003 09:09:16 PM

"Jd" <jday123@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
news:q2fvlvgcp1td902dcthd00dgdk91aa7pvm@4ax.com...

Chris wrote:

In article <gm8ilvslleb2i11uu5cpkeookjbdqbcjig@4ax.com>,
Jd <jday123@bellsouth.net> wrote:

I agree. Monotheism is unquestionably more progressive than the
so called "New Age" views of today.

Can you demonstrate, prove, or otherwise offer a compelling argument on
this?

Yes.

Fine. Then why am I still here?

Perhaps that's one reason
pagans are so intolerant of Christianity... they want the "old
ways" of magic, witchcraft, spiritism, pantheism etc. etc.

A huge component of Christianity is pagan so I don't see how you can
criticize pagans without criticizing Christianity as well. Two of
Christianity's major holidays are based on pagan beliefs. The ritual of
blood and body of Christ is comparable to a number of pagan rituals even
predating Christ. I can't imagine what is more pagan than having an
altar in a church other than perhaps the burning of incense during
benediction.

You give humanity way too much credit in assuming that religions each
have unique orgin and haven't heavily drawn from other religions.

It is inevitable. And even if they had a great idea at the time does not
mean that it is a great idea for all time.

As far as hundreds or thousands of years... well most Christians
would agree that every unrepentant soul among the living is only
one heartbeat from hell.

Well one things for sure, you won't the excuse of "I never heard"
on judgement day.

Tell you what, JD - why don't you try to answer one question about the proof
of the truth of your religious beliefs? You can't, even though you ask
people for their proof that you are wrong.
.

User: "Jd"
Title: Re: Dixie and Gallup say 80% of America FOR Moore	12 Sep 2003 03:46:31 PM

Dave Thompson wrote:

"Jd" <jday123@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
news:q2fvlvgcp1td902dcthd00dgdk91aa7pvm@4ax.com...

Chris wrote:

In article <gm8ilvslleb2i11uu5cpkeookjbdqbcjig@4ax.com>,
Jd <jday123@bellsouth.net> wrote:

I agree. Monotheism is unquestionably more progressive than the
so called "New Age" views of today.

Can you demonstrate, prove, or otherwise offer a compelling argument on
this?

Yes.

Fine. Then why am I still here?

Perhaps that's one reason
pagans are so intolerant of Christianity... they want the "old
ways" of magic, witchcraft, spiritism, pantheism etc. etc.

A huge component of Christianity is pagan so I don't see how you can
criticize pagans without criticizing Christianity as well. Two of
Christianity's major holidays are based on pagan beliefs. The ritual of
blood and body of Christ is comparable to a number of pagan rituals even
predating Christ. I can't imagine what is more pagan than having an
altar in a church other than perhaps the burning of incense during
benediction.

You give humanity way too much credit in assuming that religions each
have unique orgin and haven't heavily drawn from other religions.

It is inevitable. And even if they had a great idea at the time does not
mean that it is a great idea for all time.

As far as hundreds or thousands of years... well most Christians
would agree that every unrepentant soul among the living is only
one heartbeat from hell.

Well one things for sure, you won't the excuse of "I never heard"
on judgement day.

Tell you what, JD - why don't you try to answer one question about the proof
of the truth of your religious beliefs? You can't, even though you ask
people for their proof that you are wrong.

You're immitating your father, the devil, who is always saying
"if you are who you say you are... turn these stones into bread".
Jd
As it is written...man does not live by bread alone, but by every
word of God.
.

User: "Dave Thompson"
Title: Re: Dixie and Gallup say 80% of America FOR Moore	12 Sep 2003 07:50:49 PM

-- Jd" <jday123@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
news:poa4mvonb9eaqtce0136m4p4afoedft6g2@4ax.com...

Dave Thompson wrote:

"Jd" <jday123@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
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Chris wrote:

In article <gm8ilvslleb2i11uu5cpkeookjbdqbcjig@4ax.com>,
Jd <jday123@bellsouth.net> wrote:

I agree. Monotheism is unquestionably more progressive than the
so called "New Age" views of today.

Can you demonstrate, prove, or otherwise offer a compelling argument

this?

Yes.

Monotheism is myth. Philosophy isn't inherently about a deity. It's
difficult to criticize either "new age" views that believe in

crystals,

meditation, energy levels, and what have you, compared to a revealed
single deity. At least most progressive new age philosophies are more
apt to admit they don't have all of the answers and are on a quest.
Monotheism frequently claims to have all the answers to the exclusion

all others yet cannot prove, demonstrate or otherwise provide
universally convincing arguments. Both are based on faith, but one at
least admits fallibility while the other stakes claims in devine
revelation.

I think you will find it quite an uphill battle to formulate a
convincing argument that there is one kind of mythology

"unquestionably

more progressive" than another. In fact I've already disproven your
assertion by having questioned the unquestionable.

Fine. Then why am I still here?

Perhaps that's one reason
pagans are so intolerant of Christianity... they want the "old
ways" of magic, witchcraft, spiritism, pantheism etc. etc.

blood and body of Christ is comparable to a number of pagan rituals

even

predating Christ. I can't imagine what is more pagan than having an
altar in a church other than perhaps the burning of incense during
benediction.

You give humanity way too much credit in assuming that religions each
have unique orgin and haven't heavily drawn from other religions.

It is inevitable. And even if they had a great idea at the time does

not

mean that it is a great idea for all time.

As far as hundreds or thousands of years... well most Christians
would agree that every unrepentant soul among the living is only
one heartbeat from hell.

and

mental well-being of their parents. I'm largely unconcerned with the
hangups of Christians insofar as their delusions don't affect me.

Chris

Well one things for sure, you won't the excuse of "I never heard"
on judgement day.

Tell you what, JD - why don't you try to answer one question about the

proof

of the truth of your religious beliefs? You can't, even though you ask
people for their proof that you are wrong.

You're immitating your father, the devil, who is always saying
"if you are who you say you are... turn these stones into bread".

Nope, just asking you for what you can't give. I bet that just makes you
sick.

Jd

As it is written...man does not live by bread alone, but by every
word of God.

Prove it.
Can't?
What value is your faith now?
.

User: "Jd"
Title: Re: Dixie and Gallup say 80% of America FOR Moore	15 Sep 2003 09:00:52 PM

Dave Thompson wrote:

-- Jd" <jday123@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
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Dave Thompson wrote:

"Jd" <jday123@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
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Chris wrote:

In article <gm8ilvslleb2i11uu5cpkeookjbdqbcjig@4ax.com>,
Jd <jday123@bellsouth.net> wrote:

I agree. Monotheism is unquestionably more progressive than the
so called "New Age" views of today.

Can you demonstrate, prove, or otherwise offer a compelling argument

this?

Yes.

Monotheism is myth. Philosophy isn't inherently about a deity. It's
difficult to criticize either "new age" views that believe in

crystals,

"unquestionably

more progressive" than another. In fact I've already disproven your
assertion by having questioned the unquestionable.

Fine. Then why am I still here?

Perhaps that's one reason
pagans are so intolerant of Christianity... they want the "old
ways" of magic, witchcraft, spiritism, pantheism etc. etc.

blood and body of Christ is comparable to a number of pagan rituals

even

It is inevitable. And even if they had a great idea at the time does

not

mean that it is a great idea for all time.

As far as hundreds or thousands of years... well most Christians
would agree that every unrepentant soul among the living is only
one heartbeat from hell.

and

mental well-being of their parents. I'm largely unconcerned with the
hangups of Christians insofar as their delusions don't affect me.

Chris

Well one things for sure, you won't the excuse of "I never heard"
on judgement day.

Tell you what, JD - why don't you try to answer one question about the

proof

of the truth of your religious beliefs? You can't, even though you ask
people for their proof that you are wrong.

You're immitating your father, the devil, who is always saying
"if you are who you say you are... turn these stones into bread".

Nope, just asking you for what you can't give. I bet that just makes you
sick.

Jd

As it is written...man does not live by bread alone, but by every
word of God.

Prove it.

Can't?

What value is your faith now?

Boo.
Jd
.

User: "Dave Thompson"
Title: Re: Dixie and Gallup say 80% of America FOR Moore	15 Sep 2003 09:14:25 PM

"Jd" <jday123@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
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Dave Thompson wrote:

-- Jd" <jday123@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
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Dave Thompson wrote:

"Jd" <jday123@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
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Chris wrote:

In article <gm8ilvslleb2i11uu5cpkeookjbdqbcjig@4ax.com>,
Jd <jday123@bellsouth.net> wrote:

I agree. Monotheism is unquestionably more progressive than the
so called "New Age" views of today.

Can you demonstrate, prove, or otherwise offer a compelling

argument

this?

Yes.

Monotheism is myth. Philosophy isn't inherently about a deity. It's
difficult to criticize either "new age" views that believe in

crystals,

meditation, energy levels, and what have you, compared to a

revealed

single deity. At least most progressive new age philosophies are

apt to admit they don't have all of the answers and are on a quest.
Monotheism frequently claims to have all the answers to the

exclusion

all others yet cannot prove, demonstrate or otherwise provide
universally convincing arguments. Both are based on faith, but one

least admits fallibility while the other stakes claims in devine
revelation.

I think you will find it quite an uphill battle to formulate a
convincing argument that there is one kind of mythology

"unquestionably

more progressive" than another. In fact I've already disproven your
assertion by having questioned the unquestionable.

Fine. Then why am I still here?

Perhaps that's one reason
pagans are so intolerant of Christianity... they want the "old
ways" of magic, witchcraft, spiritism, pantheism etc. etc.

A huge component of Christianity is pagan so I don't see how you

can

criticize pagans without criticizing Christianity as well. Two of
Christianity's major holidays are based on pagan beliefs. The

ritual

blood and body of Christ is comparable to a number of pagan rituals

even

each

have unique orgin and haven't heavily drawn from other religions.

It is inevitable. And even if they had a great idea at the time

does

not

mean that it is a great idea for all time.

As far as hundreds or thousands of years... well most Christians
would agree that every unrepentant soul among the living is only
one heartbeat from hell.

And most children (at least in the U.S.) believe they are one bad

deed

away from being naughty instead of nice, and not getting their

reward

from Santa Claus for being personally responsible for the emotional

and

mental well-being of their parents. I'm largely unconcerned with

the

hangups of Christians insofar as their delusions don't affect me.

Chris

Well one things for sure, you won't the excuse of "I never heard"
on judgement day.

Tell you what, JD - why don't you try to answer one question about the

proof

of the truth of your religious beliefs? You can't, even though you ask
people for their proof that you are wrong.

You're immitating your father, the devil, who is always saying
"if you are who you say you are... turn these stones into bread".

Nope, just asking you for what you can't give. I bet that just makes you
sick.

Jd

As it is written...man does not live by bread alone, but by every
word of God.

Prove it.

Can't?

What value is your faith now?

Boo.

Exactly. Zero.
.

User: "Jd"
Title: Re: Dixie and Gallup say 80% of America FOR Moore	15 Sep 2003 09:00:51 PM

Cary Kittrell wrote:

In article <poa4mvonb9eaqtce0136m4p4afoedft6g2@4ax.com> Jd <jday123@bellsouth.net> writes:
<
<Dave Thompson wrote:
<
{...}
<>
<>Tell you what, JD - why don't you try to answer one question about the proof
<>of the truth of your religious beliefs? You can't, even though you ask
<>people for their proof that you are wrong.
<

<You're immitating your father, the devil, who is always saying
<"if you are who you say you are... turn these stones into bread".

How about Jesus, who performed a miracle on request, explaining
the if he didn't people would not believe?

-- cary

What's wrong with that?
Jd
"Why, you bunch of pitiful, hypocritical, idiotic, spoiled
mug-wumps. Get your heads out of the sand and smell the Twin
Towers" - Charlie Daniels
.

User: "Smitty Jagermanjenson"
Title: Re: Dixie and Gallup say 80% of America FOR Moore	15 Sep 2003 09:36:44 PM

"Jd" <jday123@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
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Cary Kittrell wrote:

In article <poa4mvonb9eaqtce0136m4p4afoedft6g2@4ax.com> Jd

<jday123@bellsouth.net> writes:

<
<Dave Thompson wrote:
<
{...}
<>
<>Tell you what, JD - why don't you try to answer one question about the

proof

<>of the truth of your religious beliefs? You can't, even though you ask
<>people for their proof that you are wrong.
<

<You're immitating your father, the devil, who is always saying
<"if you are who you say you are... turn these stones into bread".

How about Jesus, who performed a miracle on request, explaining
the if he didn't people would not believe?

-- cary

What's wrong with that?

Why hasn't it happened since?

Jd

"Why, you bunch of pitiful, hypocritical, idiotic, spoiled
mug-wumps. Get your heads out of the sand and smell the Twin
Towers" - Charlie Daniels

If an ignorant high school drop out musician chicken hawk is your idea of
someone to look up to, then you have given us the best present you ever
could have.
Charlie Daniels? What a total fucking hoot!
.

User: "Bob LeChevalier"
Title: Re: Dixie and Gallup say 80% of America FOR Moore	15 Sep 2003 10:37:38 PM

"Smitty Jagermanjenson" <olj@wonet.com> wrote:

"Jd" <jday123@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
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Jd

"Why, you bunch of pitiful, hypocritical, idiotic, spoiled
mug-wumps. Get your heads out of the sand and smell the Twin
Towers" - Charlie Daniels

Actually, given his initials, and the incoherence of his posting, I
think he is more inspired by Jack Daniels than by Charlie.
lojbab
--
lojbab

Bob LeChevalier, Founder, The Logical Language Group
(Opinions are my own; I do not speak for the organization.)
Artificial language Loglan/Lojban: http://www.lojban.org
.

User: "Cary Kittrell"
Title: Re: Dixie and Gallup say 80% of America FOR Moore	16 Sep 2003 11:22:40 AM

In article <0Hu9b.17233$NX3.1615@nwrddc01.gnilink.net> "Smitty Jagermanjenson" <olj@wonet.com> writes:`
<
<
<"Jd" <jday123@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
<news:59mcmvo0g3gfo0r11ojg7b035i03o5488v@4ax.com...
<> Cary Kittrell wrote:
<>
<> >
<> >In article <poa4mvonb9eaqtce0136m4p4afoedft6g2@4ax.com> Jd
<<jday123@bellsouth.net> writes:
<> ><
<> ><Dave Thompson wrote:
<> ><
<> > {...}
<> ><>
<> ><>Tell you what, JD - why don't you try to answer one question about the
<proof
<> ><>of the truth of your religious beliefs? You can't, even though you ask
<> ><>people for their proof that you are wrong.
<> ><
<> >
<> ><You're immitating your father, the devil, who is always saying
<> ><"if you are who you say you are... turn these stones into bread".
<> >
<> >
<> >How about Jesus, who performed a miracle on request, explaining
<> >the if he didn't people would not believe?
<> >
<> >
<> >-- cary
<>
<> What's wrong with that?
<
<Why hasn't it happened since?
That'un there's a puzzler, all right. Jesus clearly tell his followers
that they will be able to work miracles -- even move mountains --
so I keep asking JDay for a demo. JDay does not appear to take Jesus
at His Word on this particular point -- even though I also remind
him that Jesus worked miracles specifically in order to convince
the skeptical.
-- cary
.

User: "Cary Kittrell"
Title: Re: Dixie and Gallup say 80% of America FOR Moore	16 Sep 2003 11:09:35 AM

In article <59mcmvo0g3gfo0r11ojg7b035i03o5488v@4ax.com> Jd <jday123@bellsouth.net> writes:
<
<Cary Kittrell wrote:
<
<>
<>In article <poa4mvonb9eaqtce0136m4p4afoedft6g2@4ax.com> Jd <jday123@bellsouth.net> writes:
<><
<><Dave Thompson wrote:
<><
<> {...}
<><>
<><>Tell you what, JD - why don't you try to answer one question about the proof
<><>of the truth of your religious beliefs? You can't, even though you ask
<><>people for their proof that you are wrong.
<><
<>
<><You're immitating your father, the devil, who is always saying
<><"if you are who you say you are... turn these stones into bread".
<>
<>
<>How about Jesus, who performed a miracle on request, explaining
<>the if he didn't people would not believe?
<>
<>
<
<What's wrong with that?
<
Absolutely nothing. In fact, it's a GREAT idea.
Given that, why don't you go ahead? Work a miracle or two for us.
Jesus clearly says that the power to do so will be given you.
Of if you're wearing nice clothes and just don't want to get mussed,
perform the lesser feat of answering this:

Tell you what, JD - why don't you try to answer one question
about the proof of the truth of your religious beliefs? You
can't, even though you ask people for their proof that you
are wrong.

quesiton of Dave's.
-- cary
.

User: "Bob LeChevalier"
Title: Re: Dixie and Gallup say 80% of America FOR Moore	12 Sep 2003 10:28:36 PM

Jd <jday123@bellsouth.net> wrote:

Tell you what, JD - why don't you try to answer one question about the proof
of the truth of your religious beliefs? You can't, even though you ask
people for their proof that you are wrong.

You're immitating your father, the devil, who is always saying
"if you are who you say you are... turn these stones into bread".

You seem to have forgotten that we've determined that he is YOUR
father and master, given your penchant for lying. Not to mention that
Jefferson also thought that Calvinists were demon worshippers.
lojbab
--
lojbab

Bob LeChevalier, Founder, The Logical Language Group
(Opinions are my own; I do not speak for the organization.)
Artificial language Loglan/Lojban: http://www.lojban.org
.

User: "THE MOCKER"
Title: Re: Dixie and Gallup say 80% of America FOR Moore	14 Sep 2003 08:24:19 PM

Christians lie in proportion to their Blind Faith. The more they
believe the mnore they hate3 life and spend a lifetime lying. Desperate
people are far less ethical than the relaxed.
The best Christians are "nominal" and choose only the good of
Christianity which is very scant. They are moral people that
desperately try to associate goodness with religion against all odds.
Its a weak case when one looks at the big history picture.
There isnt anything good about dogmatic religious belief in my view.
History paints a "christian" world than only a masochist would want to
revisit.
Too bad Christianity interrupted Classical ideas
But in the 12th century, the classics came back and that began the
coffin-nailing of Christianity.
.

User: "Jd"
Title: Re: Dixie and Gallup say 80% of America FOR Moore	15 Sep 2003 09:00:55 PM

THE MOCKER wrote:

Christians lie in proportion to their Blind Faith. The more they
believe the mnore they hate3 life and spend a lifetime lying. Desperate
people are far less ethical than the relaxed.

The best Christians are "nominal" and choose only the good of
Christianity which is very scant. They are moral people that
desperately try to associate goodness with religion against all odds.
Its a weak case when one looks at the big history picture.

There isnt anything good about dogmatic religious belief in my view.
History paints a "christian" world than only a masochist would want to
revisit.

Too bad Christianity interrupted Classical ideas

But in the 12th century, the classics came back and that began the
coffin-nailing of Christianity.

Yeah... Jesus started his Church with 1 guy and now there are
billions who claim to be Christians. Some "coffin-nailing".
If anything, polytheists and pantheists are the ones nailed in
coffins. They would've never believed Moses and his 10
Commandments would've had such a devestating effect on paganism
way back then. Especially witches and magicians, even though they
had seen with their own eyes that the 1 God of Israel was not to
be taken lightly...
"And they took ashes of the furnace, and stood before Pharaoh;
and Moses sprinkled it up toward heaven; and it became a boil
breaking forth with blains upon man, and upon beast. And the
magicians could not stand before Moses because of the boils; for
the boil was upon the magicians, and upon all the Egyptians."
(Exodus 9:10-11)
In fact, the message which God gave Moses (to tell Pharoah) shows
that the entire Egyptian Empire was going to be an example set
forth for humanity. The religious observance of "Passover" has
memorialized that example forever.
Exodus 9:16 "And in very deed for this cause have I raised thee
up, for to shew in thee my power; and that my name may be
declared throughout all the earth."
What have you and your pals learned from this lesson? Nothing. In
fact you may be becoming even more self-convinced that my God
doesn't exist... just as Pharaoh became more self-convinced.
For the scripture saith unto Pharaoh, "Even for this same purpose
have I raised thee up, that I might shew my power in thee, and
that my name might be declared throughout all the earth".
Therefore hath he mercy on whom he will have mercy, and whom he
will he hardeneth. (Romans 9:17-18)
Simply put, God chooses whoever He wants to choose. True
belivers were choosen before the creation of the universe.
Jd

"Is not my word like as a fire? saith the Lord; and like a hammer
that breaketh the rock in pieces?" (Jeremiah 23:29)
.

User: "Cary Kittrell"
Title: Re: Dixie and Gallup say 80% of America FOR Moore	16 Sep 2003 11:27:31 AM

In article <bkmcmvcv4p61lav2jjqtelhshevv809shb@4ax.com> Jd <jday123@bellsouth.net> writes:
<THE MOCKER wrote:
<
{...}
<
<In fact, the message which God gave Moses (to tell Pharoah) shows
<that the entire Egyptian Empire was going to be an example set
<forth for humanity. The religious observance of "Passover" has
<memorialized that example forever.
<
<Exodus 9:16 "And in very deed for this cause have I raised thee
<up, for to shew in thee my power; and that my name may be
<declared throughout all the earth."
<
<What have you and your pals learned from this lesson? Nothing. In
<fact you may be becoming even more self-convinced that my God
<doesn't exist... just as Pharaoh became more self-convinced.
What lesson is there to learn? The Bible explicitly says
that God hardened Pharoah's heart -- so you're blaming
the wrong guy here.
-- cary
.

User: "Cary Kittrell"
Title: Re: Dixie and Gallup say 80% of America FOR Moore	16 Sep 2003 11:17:09 AM

In article <bkmcmvcv4p61lav2jjqtelhshevv809shb@4ax.com> Jd <jday123@bellsouth.net> writes:
<THE MOCKER wrote:
<
<>Christians lie in proportion to their Blind Faith. The more they
<>believe the mnore they hate3 life and spend a lifetime lying. Desperate
<>people are far less ethical than the relaxed.
<>
<>The best Christians are "nominal" and choose only the good of
<>Christianity which is very scant. They are moral people that
<>desperately try to associate goodness with religion against all odds.
<>Its a weak case when one looks at the big history picture.
<>
<>There isnt anything good about dogmatic religious belief in my view.
<>History paints a "christian" world than only a masochist would want to
<>revisit.
<>
<>Too bad Christianity interrupted Classical ideas
<>
<>But in the 12th century, the classics came back and that began the
<>coffin-nailing of Christianity.
<
<Yeah... Jesus started his Church with 1 guy and now there are
<billions who claim to be Christians. Some "coffin-nailing".
<
<If anything, polytheists and pantheists are the ones nailed in
<coffins. They would've never believed Moses and his 10
<Commandments would've had such a devestating effect on paganism
<way back then. Especially witches and magicians, even though they
<had seen with their own eyes that the 1 God of Israel was not to
<be taken lightly...
<
<"And they took ashes of the furnace, and stood before Pharaoh;
<and Moses sprinkled it up toward heaven; and it became a boil
<breaking forth with blains upon man, and upon beast. And the
<magicians could not stand before Moses because of the boils; for
<the boil was upon the magicians, and upon all the Egyptians."
<(Exodus 9:10-11)
<
Except that the of "witches" killed by Christians does not
begin to compare with the number of Christians killed by
Christians. Why do you think this should be?
-- cary
.

User: "Jd"
Title: Re: Dixie and Gallup say 80% of America FOR Moore	16 Sep 2003 09:10:05 PM

Cary Kittrell wrote:

In article <bkmcmvcv4p61lav2jjqtelhshevv809shb@4ax.com> Jd <jday123@bellsouth.net> writes:
<THE MOCKER wrote:
<
<>Christians lie in proportion to their Blind Faith. The more they
<>believe the mnore they hate3 life and spend a lifetime lying. Desperate
<>people are far less ethical than the relaxed.
<>
<>The best Christians are "nominal" and choose only the good of
<>Christianity which is very scant. They are moral people that
<>desperately try to associate goodness with religion against all odds.
<>Its a weak case when one looks at the big history picture.
<>
<>There isnt anything good about dogmatic religious belief in my view.
<>History paints a "christian" world than only a masochist would want to
<>revisit.
<>
<>Too bad Christianity interrupted Classical ideas
<>
<>But in the 12th century, the classics came back and that began the
<>coffin-nailing of Christianity.
<
<Yeah... Jesus started his Church with 1 guy and now there are
<billions who claim to be Christians. Some "coffin-nailing".
<
<If anything, polytheists and pantheists are the ones nailed in
<coffins. They would've never believed Moses and his 10
<Commandments would've had such a devestating effect on paganism
<way back then. Especially witches and magicians, even though they
<had seen with their own eyes that the 1 God of Israel was not to
<be taken lightly...
<
<"And they took ashes of the furnace, and stood before Pharaoh;
<and Moses sprinkled it up toward heaven; and it became a boil
<breaking forth with blains upon man, and upon beast. And the
<magicians could not stand before Moses because of the boils; for
<the boil was upon the magicians, and upon all the Egyptians."
<(Exodus 9:10-11)
<

Except that the of "witches" killed by Christians does not
begin to compare with the number of Christians killed by
Christians. Why do you think this should be?

-- cary

In this century most of the killing has been done by anti-liberty
governments like the one leftists would like to see estalished
here in the U.S.A. i.e. a government with no 10 Commandments and
no guns.
The following was taken from a Jewish website and following this
post, I'll post the entire fact sheet from their website. You
will see that like Christianity, Judaism has it's problems with
the creeping in of leftism also. Perhaps the 10 Commandments
issue has caused each camp to realize just who the real enemies
of freedom and liberty are...
"In this century there have been at least seven major genocides
in which at least 56,000,000 persons, including millions of
children, have been murdered by officials of governments "gone
bad". The seven cases are:
1915 - 1917 Ottoman Turkey, 1.5 million Armenians murdered;
1929 - 1953 Soviet Union, 20 million people that opposed Stalin
were murdered;
1933 - 1945 Nazi occupied Europe, 13 million Jews Gypsies and
others that opposed Hitler were murdered;
1948 - 1952 China, 20 million anti communists;
1960 - 1981 Guatemala, 100,000 Mayan Indians Murdered;
1971 - 1979 Uganda, 300,000 Christians and Political Rivals of
Idi Amin murdered;
1975 - 1979 Cambodia, 1 million educated persons murdered.
TOTAL VICTIMS: 56 MILLION!
In every case, there was on the books before the murdering began,
at least one "gun control" law, sometimes the last of a series.
In five of the seven cases, "gun control" was first enacted by a
regime that came before the genocide regime -- sometimes decades
before."
http://www.jpfo.org/
------------------------------------------------------------------------
Personally, I think drastic measure are needed to save this
country from you leftists. Perhaps we should start by rounding up
homosexuals and putting them under quarentine till we get this
AIDS thing under control. Also we should consider stripping the
most extreme of leftists of their Constitutional rights seeing as
how they are nothing less than domestic terrorists. Yes, despite
what Bob has you believing, it could be done. Here's a recent
example...
"On 19 February 1942, President Franklin Delano Roosevelt signed
Executive Order No. 9066. Under that order, some 125,000
Japanese-Americans -- 70% of whom were U.S. citizens -- were
forced to leave homes and businesses on the west coast of the
U.S. and were sent to places that the New York Times of that era
called "concentration camps". That Executive Order was affirmed
by Congress in the form of a public law at end-March 1942. The
Supreme Court ultimately concurred that these deportations were
legal (Korematsu v. U.S., 1944)."
http://www.jpfo.org/
See the next post for the full facts from the above website...
Jd
"Is not my word like as a fire? saith the Lord; and like a hammer
that breaketh the rock in pieces?" (Jeremiah 23:29)
.

User: "Dave Thompson"
Title: Re: Dixie and Gallup say 80% of America FOR Moore	16 Sep 2003 09:43:30 PM

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Cary Kittrell wrote:

In article <bkmcmvcv4p61lav2jjqtelhshevv809shb@4ax.com> Jd

<jday123@bellsouth.net> writes:

<THE MOCKER wrote:
<
<>Christians lie in proportion to their Blind Faith. The more they
<>believe the mnore they hate3 life and spend a lifetime lying.

Desperate

<>people are far less ethical than the relaxed.
<>
<>The best Christians are "nominal" and choose only the good of
<>Christianity which is very scant. They are moral people that
<>desperately try to associate goodness with religion against all odds.
<>Its a weak case when one looks at the big history picture.
<>
<>There isnt anything good about dogmatic religious belief in my view.
<>History paints a "christian" world than only a masochist would want to
<>revisit.
<>
<>Too bad Christianity interrupted Classical ideas
<>
<>But in the 12th century, the classics came back and that began the
<>coffin-nailing of Christianity.
<
<Yeah... Jesus started his Church with 1 guy and now there are
<billions who claim to be Christians. Some "coffin-nailing".
<
<If anything, polytheists and pantheists are the ones nailed in
<coffins. They would've never believed Moses and his 10
<Commandments would've had such a devestating effect on paganism
<way back then. Especially witches and magicians, even though they
<had seen with their own eyes that the 1 God of Israel was not to
<be taken lightly...
<
<"And they took ashes of the furnace, and stood before Pharaoh;
<and Moses sprinkled it up toward heaven; and it became a boil
<breaking forth with blains upon man, and upon beast. And the
<magicians could not stand before Moses because of the boils; for
<the boil was upon the magicians, and upon all the Egyptians."
<(Exodus 9:10-11)
<

Except that the of "witches" killed by Christians does not
begin to compare with the number of Christians killed by
Christians. Why do you think this should be?

-- cary

Unbelievable.
Welcome to the Aryan nation, KC. I hope they loved your views.
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