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"AMOS" |
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04 Apr 2004 09:39:52 PM |
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DNA proves TRUTH of Creationism |
Do you realize that in each cell of your body contains a *SIX FOOT*
double helix "ladder"? It's called DNA. Did you know that there are
only 4 elements that make up the DNA spiral... or that they are split
into 2 pairings... or that 1 element cannot combine with an element
that is the same as itself or the element its partnered with... or
that the 2 on the left and only mate with 1 of the 2 on the right and
vice versa? While I'm at it, did you know that every living thing;
plants, animals, etc. are made up of the those exact same 4 elements?
Now I ask you; with the over 2 billion very different people in this
world, (not to mention the trillions of chemically unique individuals
who've passed-on), the thousands of different plant forms and animal
species... who but an all powerful God could create such universal
diversity with only 4 "puzzle" pieces or that can reduce a 6 foot
grouping of those pieces in even the most mircoscopical cell?
GOD REIGNS
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| User: "M C" |
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| Title: Re: DNA proves TRUTH of Creationism |
06 Apr 2004 11:21:55 AM |
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"The Other Alan" <otheralan@nospam.com> wrote in message
news:sjvcc.82989$K91.182082@attbi_s02...
John Baker wrote:
"M C" <mcunix@swbell.net> wrote in message
news:1073hd4h7r4nl5c@corp.supernews.com...
How is it that a bunch of silicon and copper can make pretty pictures
and display all these words?
That electronic wonder on your desk had a creator, too. It's existence
is
evidence of an intelligent creator. If a mere human mind can make a
computer, then why is it not possible that an intelligent creator made
the
DNA in your cells? Think about it. Perhaps it will save your soul and
help
you find Jesus.
Yes, the computer sitting on my desk had an intelligent creator. It so
happens that as far as this particular computer is concerned, that
creator
is me. And there's the rub. We know computers are built by humans. We
have
proof of that. Some are built by the people using them, others are built
in
factories and then purchased by the end user, but all are made by human
beings. No mystery there. We don't, on the other hand, know that DNA had
an
intelligent creator, and there's no objective evidence to indicate that
it
did. The possibility that such a creator *might* exist is not, given the
complete lack of supporting evidence, sufficient reason to believe
he/she/it
*does* exist. Paley's watchmaker argument was thoroughly demolished over
a
century ago. Time for Christians to find a new angle.
What possibility that such a creator might exist? No such thing is
possible, due to the fatal problem inherent in the very idea of it
(special pleading for that one thing) which Bertrand Russell pointed out:
"The argument that there must be a first cause is one that cannot have
any validity. If anything must have a cause, then God must have a cause.
If there can be anything without a cause, it may just as well be the
world [universe, everything that exists] as God." -- Lord Bertrand
Russell (1872 - 1970)
If you still think such a thing is possible, try it for yourself, try
crafting an argument for a first cause/creator without the fatal problem
Russell points out. It can't be done.
Try crafting an argument to get your ***** out of hell when you have the fatal
problem of Satan's pitchfork in your *****.
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| User: "John Baker" |
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| Title: Re: DNA proves TRUTH of Creationism |
06 Apr 2004 11:30:00 AM |
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"M C" <mcunix@swbell.net> wrote in message
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Try crafting an argument to get your ***** out of hell when you have the
fatal
problem of Satan's pitchfork in your *****.
Should I start quaking in my boots now, or wait 'till I'm through laughing?
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| User: "Ash" |
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| Title: Re: DNA proves TRUTH of Creationism |
06 Apr 2004 01:08:29 PM |
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M C wrote:
"The Other Alan" <otheralan@nospam.com> wrote in message
news:sjvcc.82989$K91.182082@attbi_s02...
John Baker wrote:
"M C" <mcunix@swbell.net> wrote in message
news:1073hd4h7r4nl5c@corp.supernews.com...
How is it that a bunch of silicon and copper can make pretty pictures
and display all these words?
That electronic wonder on your desk had a creator, too. It's existence
is
evidence of an intelligent creator. If a mere human mind can make a
computer, then why is it not possible that an intelligent creator made
the
DNA in your cells? Think about it. Perhaps it will save your soul and
help
you find Jesus.
Yes, the computer sitting on my desk had an intelligent creator. It so
happens that as far as this particular computer is concerned, that
creator
is me. And there's the rub. We know computers are built by humans. We
have
proof of that. Some are built by the people using them, others are built
in
factories and then purchased by the end user, but all are made by human
beings. No mystery there. We don't, on the other hand, know that DNA had
an
intelligent creator, and there's no objective evidence to indicate that
it
did. The possibility that such a creator *might* exist is not, given the
complete lack of supporting evidence, sufficient reason to believe
he/she/it
*does* exist. Paley's watchmaker argument was thoroughly demolished over
a
century ago. Time for Christians to find a new angle.
What possibility that such a creator might exist? No such thing is
possible, due to the fatal problem inherent in the very idea of it
(special pleading for that one thing) which Bertrand Russell pointed out:
"The argument that there must be a first cause is one that cannot have
any validity. If anything must have a cause, then God must have a cause.
If there can be anything without a cause, it may just as well be the
world [universe, everything that exists] as God." -- Lord Bertrand
Russell (1872 - 1970)
If you still think such a thing is possible, try it for yourself, try
crafting an argument for a first cause/creator without the fatal problem
Russell points out. It can't be done.
Try crafting an argument to get your ***** out of hell when you have the fatal
problem of Satan's pitchfork in your *****.
It's always the ***** with you people isn't it
--
#1636
Not BAAWA
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| User: "William Klee" |
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| Title: Re: DNA proves TRUTH of Creationism |
07 Apr 2004 01:12:40 AM |
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In article <c4us0l$6ts$2@newsg2.svr.pol.co.uk>, Ash
<Ashamanic@winterfell73.fsnet.co.uk> wrote:
M C wrote:
"The Other Alan" <otheralan@nospam.com> wrote in message
news:sjvcc.82989$K91.182082@attbi_s02...
John Baker wrote:
"M C" <mcunix@swbell.net> wrote in message
news:1073hd4h7r4nl5c@corp.supernews.com...
How is it that a bunch of silicon and copper can make pretty pictures
and display all these words?
That electronic wonder on your desk had a creator, too. It's existence
is
evidence of an intelligent creator. If a mere human mind can make a
computer, then why is it not possible that an intelligent creator made
the
DNA in your cells? Think about it. Perhaps it will save your soul and
help
you find Jesus.
Yes, the computer sitting on my desk had an intelligent creator. It so
happens that as far as this particular computer is concerned, that
creator
is me. And there's the rub. We know computers are built by humans. We
have
proof of that. Some are built by the people using them, others are built
in
factories and then purchased by the end user, but all are made by human
beings. No mystery there. We don't, on the other hand, know that DNA had
an
intelligent creator, and there's no objective evidence to indicate that
it
did. The possibility that such a creator *might* exist is not, given the
complete lack of supporting evidence, sufficient reason to believe
he/she/it
*does* exist. Paley's watchmaker argument was thoroughly demolished over
a
century ago. Time for Christians to find a new angle.
What possibility that such a creator might exist? No such thing is
possible, due to the fatal problem inherent in the very idea of it
(special pleading for that one thing) which Bertrand Russell pointed out:
"The argument that there must be a first cause is one that cannot have
any validity. If anything must have a cause, then God must have a cause.
If there can be anything without a cause, it may just as well be the
world [universe, everything that exists] as God." -- Lord Bertrand
Russell (1872 - 1970)
If you still think such a thing is possible, try it for yourself, try
crafting an argument for a first cause/creator without the fatal problem
Russell points out. It can't be done.
Try crafting an argument to get your ***** out of hell when you have the fatal
problem of Satan's pitchfork in your *****.
It's always the ***** with you people isn't it
It's the repressed homosexuality inherent in christianity.
--
long N; long S;
if(posterID.equals("Robert B. Winn)){
N++; // N = number of Robert B. Winn Lies (tm)
S++; // S = number of Robert B. Winn Non-Sequitors (tm)
} // end if
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| User: "Icarus" |
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| Title: Re: DNA proves TRUTH of Creationism |
06 Apr 2004 11:21:03 AM |
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M C wrote:
"The Other Alan" <otheralan@nospam.com> wrote:
try crafting an argument for a first cause/creator
without the fatal problem Russell points out. It can't be
done.
Try crafting an argument to get your ***** out of hell when you
have the fatal problem of Satan's pitchfork in your *****.
Very witty, but you don't really believe in such a character,
surely? The guy with horns and red scaly skin and a pointy tail
is perfect for Hollywood films and anti-smoking ads on TV, but
you *do* know it's fiction, don't you?
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| User: "M C" |
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| Title: Re: DNA proves TRUTH of Creationism |
06 Apr 2004 03:00:20 PM |
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"Icarus" <icarus_uk@email.com> wrote in message
news:c4ul45$2lhfng$1@ID-165613.news.uni-berlin.de...
M C wrote:
"The Other Alan" <otheralan@nospam.com> wrote:
try crafting an argument for a first cause/creator
without the fatal problem Russell points out. It can't be
done.
Try crafting an argument to get your ***** out of hell when you
have the fatal problem of Satan's pitchfork in your *****.
Very witty, but you don't really believe in such a character,
surely? The guy with horns and red scaly skin and a pointy tail
is perfect for Hollywood films and anti-smoking ads on TV, but
you *do* know it's fiction, don't you?
I just said that I'm an atheist, but you guys kept on, so I had to keep it
up. Now have fun in hell, Ape-Boy.
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| User: "John Baker" |
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| Title: Re: DNA proves TRUTH of Creationism |
06 Apr 2004 09:20:31 PM |
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"M C" <mcunix@swbell.net> wrote in message
news:1075u8i2bhf7gd2@corp.supernews.com...
"Icarus" <icarus_uk@email.com> wrote in message
news:c4ul45$2lhfng$1@ID-165613.news.uni-berlin.de...
M C wrote:
"The Other Alan" <otheralan@nospam.com> wrote:
try crafting an argument for a first cause/creator
without the fatal problem Russell points out. It can't be
done.
Try crafting an argument to get your ***** out of hell when you
have the fatal problem of Satan's pitchfork in your *****.
Very witty, but you don't really believe in such a character,
surely? The guy with horns and red scaly skin and a pointy tail
is perfect for Hollywood films and anti-smoking ads on TV, but
you *do* know it's fiction, don't you?
I just said that I'm an atheist, but you guys kept on, so I had to keep it
up. Now have fun in hell, Ape-Boy.
OK, M C, collect your Loki points and I'll see you at the Panda's Thumb. <G>
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| User: "William Klee" |
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| Title: Re: DNA proves TRUTH of Creationism |
05 Apr 2004 07:19:29 PM |
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In article <1073hd4h7r4nl5c@corp.supernews.com>, M C
<mcunix@swbell.net> wrote:
How is it that a bunch of silicon and copper can make pretty pictures
and display all these words?
That electronic wonder on your desk had a creator, too. It's existence is
evidence of an intelligent creator. If a mere human mind can make a
computer, then why is it not possible that an intelligent creator made the
DNA in your cells? Think about it. Perhaps it will save your soul and help
you find Jesus.
Who created your creator?
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| User: "TCS" |
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| Title: Re: DNA proves TRUTH of Creationism |
05 Apr 2004 03:56:40 PM |
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On Mon, 5 Apr 2004 15:49:37 -0700, M C <mcunix@swbell.net> wrote:
How is it that a bunch of silicon and copper can make pretty pictures
and display all these words?
That electronic wonder on your desk had a creator, too. It's existence is
evidence of an intelligent creator. If a mere human mind can make a
computer, then why is it not possible that an intelligent creator made the
DNA in your cells? Think about it. Perhaps it will save your soul and help
you find Jesus.
There's evidence of the creator of your computer.
There's no evidence whatsoever for your god, jesus, or souls.
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| User: "Ash" |
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| Title: Re: DNA proves TRUTH of Creationism |
05 Apr 2004 03:10:55 PM |
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AMOS wrote:
Do you realize that in each cell of your body contains a *SIX FOOT*
double helix "ladder"? It's called DNA. Did you know that there are
only 4 elements that make up the DNA spiral... or that they are split
into 2 pairings... or that 1 element cannot combine with an element
that is the same as itself or the element its partnered with... or
that the 2 on the left and only mate with 1 of the 2 on the right and
vice versa? While I'm at it, did you know that every living thing;
plants, animals, etc. are made up of the those exact same 4 elements?
Now I ask you; with the over 2 billion very different people in this
world, (not to mention the trillions of chemically unique individuals
who've passed-on), the thousands of different plant forms and animal
species... who but an all powerful God could create such universal
diversity with only 4 "puzzle" pieces or that can reduce a 6 foot
grouping of those pieces in even the most mircoscopical cell?
GOD REIGNS
This is satire right?
Right?
--
#1636
Not BAAWA
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| User: "tisdawg" |
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04 Apr 2004 10:05:50 PM |
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Biology on a chemical level is simply amazing. I agree with you
there.
I'm just trying to understand why you find it necessary to profess
your love for God here.
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I have never used any other, and I trust I never shall.
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| User: "johac" |
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04 Apr 2004 11:57:57 PM |
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In article <bhh1705gvk2ckk866pbcgmt6fugu050h6d@4ax.com>,
AMOS <amos@godly.man> wrote:
Do you realize that in each cell of your body contains a *SIX FOOT*
double helix "ladder"? It's called DNA. Did you know that there are
only 4 elements that make up the DNA spiral... or that they are split
into 2 pairings... or that 1 element cannot combine with an element
that is the same as itself or the element its partnered with... or
that the 2 on the left and only mate with 1 of the 2 on the right and
vice versa? While I'm at it, did you know that every living thing;
plants, animals, etc. are made up of the those exact same 4 elements?
Now I ask you; with the over 2 billion very different people in this
world, (not to mention the trillions of chemically unique individuals
who've passed-on), the thousands of different plant forms and animal
species... who but an all powerful God could create such universal
diversity with only 4 "puzzle" pieces or that can reduce a 6 foot
grouping of those pieces in even the most mircoscopical cell?
Go read some biology books. Sheesh!
GOD REIGNS
No. Pooky, my neighbor's cat reigns.
--
John Hachmann aa #1782
"Men become civilized not in their willingness to believe, but in
proportion to their readiness to doubt." - H. L. Mencken
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| User: "Meteorite Debris" |
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05 Apr 2004 11:07:48 PM |
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On Sun, 04 Apr 2004 22:39:52 -0400 the ET form known as
AMOS<amos@godly.man> sent a radio signal across the vast expanse of
deep space -._.--._.--._.--._.--._.--._.
Do you realize that in each cell of your body contains a *SIX FOOT*
double helix "ladder"? It's called DNA. Did you know that there are
only 4 elements that make up the DNA spiral... or that they are split
into 2 pairings... or that 1 element cannot combine with an element
that is the same as itself or the element its partnered with... or
that the 2 on the left and only mate with 1 of the 2 on the right and
vice versa? While I'm at it, did you know that every living thing;
plants, animals, etc. are made up of the those exact same 4 elements?
Now I ask you; with the over 2 billion very different people in this
world, (not to mention the trillions of chemically unique individuals
who've passed-on), the thousands of different plant forms and animal
species... who but an all powerful God could create such universal
diversity with only 4 "puzzle" pieces or that can reduce a 6 foot
grouping of those pieces in even the most mircoscopical cell?
GOD REIGNS
Do you realise you know little. You will have to replace your 1930
(the last time there were 2 billion people) facts and figures book
with a more modern edition. You might like to tell me why DNA proves
your god. DNA seems to tell the story of evolution. There is not a
single "poof" to be found anywhere in it.
--
epicurus1*at*optusnet*dot*com*dot*au
apatriot #1, atheist #1417,
Chief EAC prophet -
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http://members.optusnet.com.au/~pk1956/
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conceived." - Isaac Asimov
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| User: "Kate " |
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| Title: Re: DNA proves TRUTH of Creationism |
05 Apr 2004 01:47:13 AM |
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On Sun, 04 Apr 2004 22:39:52 -0400, AMOS <amos@godly.man> wrote:
Do you realize that in each cell of your body contains a *SIX FOOT*
double helix "ladder"? It's called DNA. Did you know that there are
only 4 elements that make up the DNA spiral... or that they are split
into 2 pairings... or that 1 element cannot combine with an element
that is the same as itself or the element its partnered with... or
that the 2 on the left and only mate with 1 of the 2 on the right and
vice versa? While I'm at it, did you know that every living thing;
plants, animals, etc. are made up of the those exact same 4 elements?
Now I ask you; with the over 2 billion very different people in this
world, (not to mention the trillions of chemically unique individuals
who've passed-on), the thousands of different plant forms and animal
species... who but an all powerful God could create such universal
diversity with only 4 "puzzle" pieces or that can reduce a 6 foot
grouping of those pieces in even the most mircoscopical cell?
Nobody - the laws of physics did it all by themselves. It's not hard
when you have billions and billions and billions of years to build up
complexity. Matter of fact it sounds ~far far~ more believable than
some singular entitiy figuring it all out and setting it all up in
mindboggling detail. How long can you stack dominoes?
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| User: "raven1" |
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04 Apr 2004 10:36:24 PM |
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On Sun, 04 Apr 2004 22:39:52 -0400, AMOS <amos@godly.man> wrote:
Translation: "I know nothing about biology or chemistry, therefore,
some magical sky pixie must be responsible for creating life".
Pathetic.
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| User: "TCS" |
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04 Apr 2004 10:23:55 PM |
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On Sun, 04 Apr 2004 22:39:52 -0400, AMOS <amos@ly.man> wrote:
Do you realize that in each cell of your body contains a *SIX FOOT*
double helix "ladder"? It's called DNA. Did you know that there are
only 4 elements that make up the DNA spiral... or that they are split
into 2 pairings... or that 1 element cannot combine with an element
that is the same as itself or the element its partnered with... or
that the 2 on the left and only mate with 1 of the 2 on the right and
vice versa? While I'm at it, did you know that every living thing;
plants, animals, etc. are made up of the those exact same 4 elements?
Now I ask you; with the over 2 billion very different people in this
world, (not to mention the trillions of chemically unique individuals
who've passed-on), the thousands of different plant forms and animal
species... who but an all powerful space lizard could create such universal
diversity with only 4 "puzzle" pieces or that can reduce a 6 foot
grouping of those pieces in even the most mircoscopical cell?
SMAUG REIGNS
Just because you're too stupid to have the slightest understanding of
biology does not mean fairy tales are true.
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| User: "Brainfried" |
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04 Apr 2004 10:25:49 PM |
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On Sun, 04 Apr 2004 22:39:52 -0400, AMOS wrote:
Do you realize that in each cell of your body contains a *SIX FOOT*
double helix "ladder"? It's called DNA. Did you know that there are
only 4 elements that make up the DNA spiral... or that they are split
into 2 pairings... or that 1 element cannot combine with an element
that is the same as itself or the element its partnered with... or
that the 2 on the left and only mate with 1 of the 2 on the right and
vice versa? While I'm at it, did you know that every living thing;
plants, animals, etc. are made up of the those exact same 4 elements?
Now I ask you; with the over 2 billion very different people in this
world, (not to mention the trillions of chemically unique individuals
who've passed-on), the thousands of different plant forms and animal
species... who but an all powerful God could create such universal
diversity with only 4 "puzzle" pieces or that can reduce a 6 foot
grouping of those pieces in even the most mircoscopical cell?
GOD REIGNS
Who EXACTLY does this mean that God did it?
Please point me to "Made by God" in any language on any strand of DNA and
then we'll talk.
Of course the bases (you're calling them elements) can only combine in
certain ways. They're chemicals and can only fit in certain ways just like
puzzle pieces. Duh! No mystery, no miracle there.
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| User: "MarkA" |
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05 Apr 2004 06:19:59 AM |
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On Sun, 04 Apr 2004 22:39:52 -0400, AMOS wrote:
Do you realize that in each cell of your body contains a *SIX FOOT*
double helix "ladder"? It's called DNA. Did you know that there are only
4 elements that make up the DNA spiral... or that they are split into 2
pairings... or that 1 element cannot combine with an element that is the
same as itself or the element its partnered with... or that the 2 on the
left and only mate with 1 of the 2 on the right and vice versa? While
I'm at it, did you know that every living thing; plants, animals, etc.
are made up of the those exact same 4 elements?
Now I ask you; with the over 2 billion very different people in this
world, (not to mention the trillions of chemically unique individuals
who've passed-on), the thousands of different plant forms and animal
species... who but an all powerful God could create such universal
diversity with only 4 "puzzle" pieces or that can reduce a 6 foot
grouping of those pieces in even the most mircoscopical cell?
GOD REIGNS
It is amazing how the creationists can take the fruits of years of
intensive scientific investigation, and portray it as "evidence" in favor
of a myth that evolved over hundreds of years by Bronze Age goat herders,
huddling in fear of the dark.
--
MarkA
(still caught in the maze of twisty little passages, all different)
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| User: "Vic Sagerquist" |
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| Title: Re: DNA proves TRUTH of Creationism |
04 Apr 2004 11:28:16 PM |
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One day in alt.atheism, Also Sprach AMOS:
Do you realize that in each cell of your body contains a *SIX FOOT*
double helix "ladder"? It's called DNA. Did you know that there are
only 4 elements that make up the DNA spiral... or that they are split
into 2 pairings... or that 1 element cannot combine with an element
that is the same as itself or the element its partnered with... or
that the 2 on the left and only mate with 1 of the 2 on the right and
vice versa? While I'm at it, did you know that every living thing;
plants, animals, etc. are made up of the those exact same 4 elements?
Now I ask you; with the over 2 billion very different people in this
world, (not to mention the trillions of chemically unique individuals
who've passed-on), the thousands of different plant forms and animal
species... who but an all powerful God could create such universal
diversity with only 4 "puzzle" pieces or that can reduce a 6 foot
grouping of those pieces in even the most mircoscopical cell?
GOD REIGNS
Argument from personal incredulity, argument from ignorance. The sheer
size of the spectrum of life is too difficult for you to understand, so you
are willing to take the easy way out and say goddidit.
What a waste of a human mind.
--
Vic Sagerquist
aa#2011
Supervisor, EAC Department of little adhesive-backed "L" shaped
chrome-plastic doo-dads to add feet to Jesus fish department
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Give a man a fish, and you'll feed him for a day.
Give him a religion, and he'll starve to death while praying for a fish.
--Timothy Jones
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