Religions > Atheism > !DNC Apparently is Rolling Over For the NRA and Jerry Falwell!
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"Howard Dean of the DNC" |
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12 Apr 2005 12:28:29 AM |
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!DNC Apparently is Rolling Over For the NRA and Jerry Falwell! |
Dean's formula: Jesus, balanced budgets, gun neutrality
Monday, Apr 11, 2005
http://www.arkansasnews.com/archive/2005/04/11/JohnBrummett/319855.html
By John Brummett
Howard Dean called the other day and started talking about Jesus. Yes,
that Howard Dean. Yes, that Jesus.
Dean is the doctor and former Vermont governor who now is chairman of
the Democratic National Committee, having pretty much screamed himself
out of the Democratic presidential nomination last year.
Along the campaign path he remarked that his favorite New Testament
book was Job, which, actually, is in the Old Testament.
It was insinuated that Dean, like the Alan Alda character on "West
Wing," wasn't all that much for church-going. The way to insinuate such
a thing is to call a man "perhaps the most secular candidate for the
presidency in modern times."
Dean was coming to my little Southern city to speak to the national
association of state Democratic chairmen. He wanted to give me a little
insight on what he would say, as much, that is, as you can impart in
seven minutes over the cellular crackle on your way back from the
Vatican Embassy where you'd signed the condolences book for the Pope.
This speech would offer the best early indication of what Dean had in
mind for the Democrats.
"I'm going to tell them we're going to run in all 50 states, that the
days of running in 18 states are over, and that we're going to help
them in all races, down to the state and local level. I'm going to tell
them we're going to build machines in their states with their own
people, not with imported people. I'm going to tell them Democrats need
not shy away from the values debate. I will tell them that the
Democratic Party is going to have a national message, and it's not
going to come from the top down but from them up. We're going to look
at what we have in common, not what divides us. The people of Minnesota
and Arkansas see a lot more things the same than they see differently."
He said he would give the state chairmen marching orders: Find out and
articulate what the Democratic message is, or ought to be, in your
state, and we'll synthesize all 50 and come up with one.
I wanted to go back to how the Democrats shouldn't shy away from the
values debate. "We need to talk about Christian values and how they're
Democratic values," Dean said. "Jesus taught to help the least among
us. He spent his life reaching out to the disenfranchised. The
Democratic Party is the party of that value, not the Republican Party."
Dean said that passing on debt to children was a Republican value that
Democrats didn't share. He said that it's not a Democratic value to get
in new ethics trouble every two or three days, which has been the rate
lately for House Majority Leader Tom DeLay.
This is the man - Dean, I mean - who said with typical self-wounding
that he wanted to be the Democratic presidential candidate who got
votes from Southern guys with Confederate flags in their pickups.
"I'd say that differently now," he told me. "But I do think Democrats
need to be party to get white AND black votes, and I think we will be."
You can call him a cultural liberal if you must, but he calls it an
oversimplification and says he gets rather tired of it.
"I was a governor who balanced eight budgets in a row, which is eight
more than the Republicans, and I was a governor who was endorsed every
year by the National Rifle Association."
Guns, Dean predicted, would never come up - either pro or con - in his
50-state survey of what the Democratic message should be.
"Guns aren't an issue," he said. "If Philadelphia wants gun control,
fine. If Alabama doesn't, also fine."
So there you have the new Democratic Party, bloodied, but
counterpunching. It's a familiar face, but the words are a little
different and the inflection is starkly so.
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| User: "Gandalf Grey" |
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12 Apr 2005 01:25:52 AM |
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<rcman777@excite.com>
RCMan is a stalker who has gone under many, many names over the years. Here
are a few of the links dealing with stalkers like RCMan.
http://www.aic.gov.au/publications/tandi/tandi166.html
http://www.cyber-stalking.net/
http://www.crimelibrary.com/criminology/cyberstalking/
http://www.wiredsafety.org/cyberstalking_harassment/
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| User: "Herb Martin" |
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12 Apr 2005 02:39:07 AM |
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"Howard Dean of the DNC" <rcman777@excite.com> wrote in message
Here is the key take away from the message:
"Guns aren't an issue," he said. "If Philadelphia wants gun control,
fine. If Alabama doesn't, also fine." -- Howard Dean, DNC Chair
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| User: "Herb Martin" |
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20 Apr 2005 03:36:32 AM |
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"Howard Dean of the DNC" <rcman777@excite.com> wrote in message
news:1113265709.039543.169940@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
Dean's formula: Jesus,
It's an election lie
balanced budgets,
By raising taxes
gun neutrality
Not enough -- full incorporation of the 2nd Amendment
and National CHL will do for a SHOW OF GOOD FAITH
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| User: "Peacenik" |
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20 Apr 2005 01:28:51 PM |
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"Herb Martin" <news@LearnQuick.com> wrote in message
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"Howard Dean of the DNC" <rcman777@excite.com> wrote in message
news:1113265709.039543.169940@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
balanced budgets,
By raising taxes
on the rich only.
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| User: "Herb Martin" |
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20 Apr 2005 05:21:03 PM |
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"Peacenik" <cnelsonpublic@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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"Herb Martin" <news@LearnQuick.com> wrote in message
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"Howard Dean of the DNC" <rcman777@excite.com> wrote in message
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balanced budgets,
By raising taxes
on the rich only.
Even pretending that is true, then I supposed you
believe it is Ok to steal the property of someone
as long as they are rich?
And it is of course meaninglyless, without a
definition of "rich" as many very non-rich folks
get swept into it.
So when Dean and Co. support the full incorporation
of the Second Amendment, enforcement of Article IV,
Section 2, paragraph 1 AND lobby for, AND vote for,
nationwide CHL I will take another look at him.
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| User: "Peacenik" |
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21 Apr 2005 01:54:04 PM |
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"Herb Martin" <news@LearnQuick.com> wrote in message
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"Peacenik" <cnelsonpublic@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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"Herb Martin" <news@LearnQuick.com> wrote in message
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"Howard Dean of the DNC" <rcman777@excite.com> wrote in message
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balanced budgets,
By raising taxes
on the rich only.
Even pretending that is true, then I supposed you
believe it is Ok to steal the property of someone
as long as they are rich?
No. They just have to pay their bills for services rendered.
And it is of course meaninglyless, without a
definition of "rich" as many very non-rich folks
get swept into it.
Simple definition: You are rich if you satisfy one of the following
conditions:
Your annual salary is over $200,000 a year.
Your net worth is over $1,000,000.
So when Dean and Co. support the full incorporation
of the Second Amendment,
INCLUDING the first 13 words of the said Amendment...
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| User: "Herb Martin" |
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21 Apr 2005 06:35:52 PM |
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"Peacenik" <cnelsonpublic@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:d48b9r$clm$1@news.seed.net.tw...
Even pretending that is true, then I supposed you
believe it is Ok to steal the property of someone
as long as they are rich?
No. They just have to pay their bills for services rendered.
And their bill should be no larger than anyone
else's unless they use more services.
And it is of course meaninglyless, without a
definition of "rich" as many very non-rich folks
get swept into it.
Simple definition: You are rich if you satisfy one of the following
conditions:
But Democratic politicians will not SAY this clearly
and consistently.
Your annual salary is over $200,000 a year.
What if that is both people in a couple?
There are plenty of people who occasionally
have earned $200,000 or have done so for the
first time who are NOT rich.
Your net worth is over $1,000,000.
Closer, but today that isn't rich either.
So when Dean and Co. support the full incorporation
of the Second Amendment,
INCLUDING the first 13 words of the said Amendment...
Read this so you will UNDERSTAND the first 13 (non-restrictive) words:
http://www.firearmsandliberty.com/unabridged.2nd.html
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| User: "Morton Davis" |
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12 Apr 2005 12:54:41 AM |
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"Howard Dean of the DNC" <rcman777@excite.com> wrote in message
news:1113265709.039543.169940@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
Dean's formula: Jesus, balanced budgets, gun neutrality
Dean's looney tunes.
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| User: "" |
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12 Apr 2005 04:08:52 AM |
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Howard Dean of the DNC wrote:
Dean's formula: Jesus, balanced budgets, gun neutrality
Monday, Apr 11, 2005
http://www.arkansasnews.com/archive/2005/04/11/JohnBrummett/319855.html
By John Brummett
Howard Dean called the other day and started talking about Jesus. Yes,
that Howard Dean. Yes, that Jesus.
snip
It is about time the Democratic Leadership realize that true Democrats
are not liberal or socialists. Practially every member of every Church
in the South is a Democrat and do not support the liberals that have
seized leadership.
They don't like pie throwers, treasoners, Ivy League Socialists or
Multiculturism, or the Mexican Invasion.
If you don't like it move to Mexico or Canada. We are tired of your kind.
We are tired of Government of, by, and for Big Buisness too.
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| User: "*G* *O* *D* *S* *C* *R* *E* *A* *T* *O* *R*" |
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12 Apr 2005 04:33:39 AM |
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wrote:
Howard Dean of the DNC wrote:
Dean's formula: Jesus, balanced budgets, gun neutrality
Monday, Apr 11, 2005
http://www.arkansasnews.com/archive/2005/04/11/JohnBrummett/319855.html
By John Brummett
Howard Dean called the other day and started talking about Jesus. Yes,
that Howard Dean. Yes, that Jesus.
snip
It is about time the Democratic Leadership realize that true Democrats
are not liberal or socialists. Practially every member of every Church
in the South is a Democrat and do not support the liberals that have
seized leadership.
They don't like pie throwers, treasoners, Ivy League Socialists or
Multiculturism, or the Mexican Invasion.
If you don't like it move to Mexico or Canada. We are tired of your kind.
We are tired of Government of, by, and for Big Buisness too.
Thus Spake God's Creator; (I don't forgive *****!)
I see the *Bible-Toting-Southern-Democrats* as
simply wanting their *slaves* returned, so
they can get on with their God blessed
"Heaven On Earth* good Christian life.
GOD'S CREATOR
...That was my only sin...
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"When missionaries came to South Africa, we had the land,
and they had the Bible. Then they told us,
'Let's close our eyes and pray.'
When we opened our eyes... we saw that we had the Bible,
and they had our land."
-- (Desmond Tutu) --
The Nobel Prize winning South African priest).
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| User: "Alric Knebel" |
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12 Apr 2005 02:08:23 AM |
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Howard Dean of the DNC wrote:
Dean's formula: Jesus, balanced budgets, gun neutrality
Monday, Apr 11, 2005
http://www.arkansasnews.com/archive/2005/04/11/JohnBrummett/319855.html
By John Brummett
Howard Dean called the other day and started talking about Jesus. Yes,
that Howard Dean. Yes, that Jesus.
Good for Dean. This kind of phoniness has worked wonders for
Republicans, and I don't see why it should be such an exclusive game.
And as obvious at it looks to some of you -- as it's so obvious to so
many of us when you Republicans make these phony displays -- some people
won't. And there are so many of us who do in fact understand the Bible
and do in fact have very strong religious convictions. That's why I'm a
liberal, in fact.
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Alric Knebel
http://www.ironeyefortress.com/C-SPAN_loon.html
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| User: "Gandalf Grey" |
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12 Apr 2005 02:15:41 AM |
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"Alric Knebel" <alric@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
news:425B2D97.1050208@bellsouth.net...
Howard Dean of the DNC wrote:
Dean's formula: Jesus, balanced budgets, gun neutrality
Monday, Apr 11, 2005
http://www.arkansasnews.com/archive/2005/04/11/JohnBrummett/319855.html
By John Brummett
Howard Dean called the other day and started talking about Jesus. Yes,
that Howard Dean. Yes, that Jesus.
Good for Dean. This kind of phoniness has worked wonders for
Republicans, and I don't see why it should be such an exclusive game.
And as obvious at it looks to some of you -- as it's so obvious to so
many of us when you Republicans make these phony displays -- some people
won't. And there are so many of us who do in fact understand the Bible
and do in fact have very strong religious convictions. That's why I'm a
liberal, in fact.
That's good to hear. It's about time that people realized that the only
real moral values are coming from liberals.
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Alric Knebel
http://www.ironeyefortress.com/C-SPAN_loon.html
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| User: "David Moffitt" |
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12 Apr 2005 03:25:34 AM |
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"Gandalf Grey" <gandalfgrey@infectedmail.com> wrote in message
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"Alric Knebel" <alric@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
news:425B2D97.1050208@bellsouth.net...
Howard Dean of the DNC wrote:
Dean's formula: Jesus, balanced budgets, gun neutrality
Monday, Apr 11, 2005
http://www.arkansasnews.com/archive/2005/04/11/JohnBrummett/319855.html
By John Brummett
Howard Dean called the other day and started talking about Jesus. Yes,
that Howard Dean. Yes, that Jesus.
Good for Dean. This kind of phoniness has worked wonders for
Republicans, and I don't see why it should be such an exclusive game.
And as obvious at it looks to some of you -- as it's so obvious to so
many of us when you Republicans make these phony displays -- some people
won't. And there are so many of us who do in fact understand the Bible
and do in fact have very strong religious convictions. That's why I'm a
liberal, in fact.
That's good to hear. It's about time that people realized that the only
real moral values are coming from liberals.
%%%% Yes those leftard morals of killing unwanted babies and starving
handicapped people to death. Hoo-Yah!
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Alric Knebel
http://www.ironeyefortress.com/C-SPAN_loon.html
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| User: "Gandalf Grey" |
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12 Apr 2005 04:57:02 AM |
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"David Moffitt" <moffitcl@prodigy.net> wrote in message
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"Gandalf Grey" <gandalfgrey@infectedmail.com> wrote in message
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"Alric Knebel" <alric@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
news:425B2D97.1050208@bellsouth.net...
Howard Dean of the DNC wrote:
Dean's formula: Jesus, balanced budgets, gun neutrality
Monday, Apr 11, 2005
http://www.arkansasnews.com/archive/2005/04/11/JohnBrummett/319855.html
By John Brummett
Howard Dean called the other day and started talking about Jesus.
Yes,
that Howard Dean. Yes, that Jesus.
Good for Dean. This kind of phoniness has worked wonders for
Republicans, and I don't see why it should be such an exclusive game.
And as obvious at it looks to some of you -- as it's so obvious to so
many of us when you Republicans make these phony displays -- some
people
won't. And there are so many of us who do in fact understand the
Bible
and do in fact have very strong religious convictions. That's why I'm
a
liberal, in fact.
That's good to hear. It's about time that people realized that the only
real moral values are coming from liberals.
%%%% Yes those leftard morals of killing unwanted babies and starving
handicapped people to death. Hoo-Yah!
1. We don't kill unwanted babies the way you righties starve children to
death.
2. We don't starve handicapped people to death, but we also don't try to use
the government to over-ride the last wishes of human beings. We believe in
human dignity. Something you righties haven't ever been acquainted with.
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Alric Knebel
http://www.ironeyefortress.com/C-SPAN_loon.html
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| User: "David Moffitt" |
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12 Apr 2005 11:45:57 AM |
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"Gandalf Grey" <gandalfgrey@infectedmail.com> wrote in message
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"David Moffitt" <moffitcl@prodigy.net> wrote in message
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"Gandalf Grey" <gandalfgrey@infectedmail.com> wrote in message
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"Alric Knebel" <alric@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
news:425B2D97.1050208@bellsouth.net...
Howard Dean of the DNC wrote:
Dean's formula: Jesus, balanced budgets, gun neutrality
Monday, Apr 11, 2005
http://www.arkansasnews.com/archive/2005/04/11/JohnBrummett/319855.html
By John Brummett
Howard Dean called the other day and started talking about Jesus.
Yes,
that Howard Dean. Yes, that Jesus.
Good for Dean. This kind of phoniness has worked wonders for
Republicans, and I don't see why it should be such an exclusive
game.
And as obvious at it looks to some of you -- as it's so obvious to
so
many of us when you Republicans make these phony displays -- some
people
won't. And there are so many of us who do in fact understand the
Bible
and do in fact have very strong religious convictions. That's why
I'm
a
liberal, in fact.
That's good to hear. It's about time that people realized that the
only
real moral values are coming from liberals.
%%%% Yes those leftard morals of killing unwanted babies and starving
handicapped people to death. Hoo-Yah!
1. We don't kill unwanted babies the way you righties starve children to
death.
%%%% You support a party that believes in it.
2. We don't starve handicapped people to death,
%%%% You support a party that believes in it.
but we also don't try to use
the government to over-ride the last wishes of human beings. We believe
in
human dignity.
%%%% The dignity of killing them when you get a new girlfriend.
Something you righties haven't ever been acquainted with.
%%%% ROTFLMAO!
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Alric Knebel
http://www.ironeyefortress.com/C-SPAN_loon.html
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| User: "Gandalf Grey" |
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12 Apr 2005 03:44:52 PM |
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"David Moffitt" <moffitcl@prodigy.net> wrote in message
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"Gandalf Grey" <gandalfgrey@infectedmail.com> wrote in message
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"David Moffitt" <moffitcl@prodigy.net> wrote in message
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"Gandalf Grey" <gandalfgrey@infectedmail.com> wrote in message
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"Alric Knebel" <alric@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
news:425B2D97.1050208@bellsouth.net...
Howard Dean of the DNC wrote:
Dean's formula: Jesus, balanced budgets, gun neutrality
Monday, Apr 11, 2005
http://www.arkansasnews.com/archive/2005/04/11/JohnBrummett/319855.html
By John Brummett
Howard Dean called the other day and started talking about
Jesus.
Yes,
that Howard Dean. Yes, that Jesus.
Good for Dean. This kind of phoniness has worked wonders for
Republicans, and I don't see why it should be such an exclusive
game.
And as obvious at it looks to some of you -- as it's so obvious to
so
many of us when you Republicans make these phony displays -- some
people
won't. And there are so many of us who do in fact understand the
Bible
and do in fact have very strong religious convictions. That's why
I'm
a
liberal, in fact.
That's good to hear. It's about time that people realized that the
only
real moral values are coming from liberals.
%%%% Yes those leftard morals of killing unwanted babies and starving
handicapped people to death. Hoo-Yah!
1. We don't kill unwanted babies the way you righties starve children to
death.
%%%% You support a party that believes in it.
Another fascist rightie lie. The Fascist GOPs make sure that children are
born in and live in poverty. They trap their parents in poverty while they
make sure that the mother's are exposed to poisonous mercury levels that
will deform their children, and YOU support all of it.
2. We don't starve handicapped people to death,
%%%% You support a party that believes in it.
Another fascist rightie lie. The democratic party believes in the dignity
of human life and that no government has the right to ignore the death
wishes of American citizens. But your nazi party believes that it should
have life/death power of its citizens and YOU support it.
but we also don't try to use
the government to over-ride the last wishes of human beings. We believe
in
human dignity.
%%%% The dignity of killing them when you get a new girlfriend.
Another fascist rightie lie. This isn't about Terri Schiavo's husband. Her
deadbeat parents had her custody and gave it to the husband because they
couldn't handle it. This is about fascist GOPs who want to make life and
death decisions for American citizens. It's about fascist GOPs who want to
take away the freedom of American citizens.
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| User: "Chris Morton" |
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12 Apr 2005 04:09:53 PM |
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In article <425bec26$0$5816$9a6e19ea@news.newshosting.com>, Gandalf Grey says...
Another fascist rightie lie. The democratic party believes in the dignity
of human life and that no government has the right to ignore the death
wishes of American citizens. But your nazi party believes that it should
have life/death power of its citizens and YOU support it.
Even when those "death wishes" were heard by nobody except someone with a rather
large conflict of interest.
Another fascist rightie lie. This isn't about Terri Schiavo's husband. Her
deadbeat parents had her custody and gave it to the husband because they
couldn't handle it. This is about fascist GOPs who want to make life and
That's odd, even Schiavo and his attorney have never claimed this. Did god come
to you and tell you this in a dream?
--
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Gun control, the theory that 110lb. women should have to fistfight with 210lb.
rapists.
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| User: "Herb Martin" |
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12 Apr 2005 05:41:36 PM |
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"Chris Morton" <cmorton@newsguy.com> wrote in message
news:d3grsh01mc@drn.newsguy.com...
In article <425bec26$0$5816$9a6e19ea@news.newshosting.com>, Gandalf Grey
says...
Another fascist rightie lie. The democratic party believes in the
dignity
of human life and that no government has the right to ignore the death
wishes of American citizens. But your nazi party believes that it should
have life/death power of its citizens and YOU support it.
Even when those "death wishes" were heard by nobody except someone with a
rather
large conflict of interest.
Sorry you 'information' is incorrect (not that it likely
matters to those who are determined to misunderstand):
Three different witnesses on two different memorable
occasions.
Another fascist rightie lie. This isn't about Terri Schiavo's husband.
Her
deadbeat parents had her custody and gave it to the husband because they
couldn't handle it. This is about fascist GOPs who want to make life and
That's odd, even Schiavo and his attorney have never claimed this. Did
god come
to you and tell you this in a dream?
If you take out the pejoratives above it is largely
true statement.
At one point the family did try to care for Terri at
home but it proved to be beyond their capabilities.
"The family" may include the husband so this is NOT
a criticism of ANY of that family, merely the reality
of the facts: They found themselves unable to manage
this task.
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| User: "Gandalf Grey" |
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| Title: Re: !DNC Apparently is Rolling Over For the NRA and Jerry Falwell! |
12 Apr 2005 04:51:19 PM |
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"Chris Morton" <cmorton@newsguy.com> wrote in message
news:d3grsh01mc@drn.newsguy.com...
In article <425bec26$0$5816$9a6e19ea@news.newshosting.com>, Gandalf Grey
says...
Another fascist rightie lie. The democratic party believes in the
dignity
of human life and that no government has the right to ignore the death
wishes of American citizens. But your nazi party believes that it should
have life/death power of its citizens and YOU support it.
Even when those "death wishes" were heard by nobody except someone with a
rather
large conflict of interest.
They were heard by several of Terri's friends as well as her husband and
that's been in the news and you should have heard of it.
I've said before that I'm not going to get into any arguments with you due
to a comment you made before that I appreciated.
I'm sticking with that. So this is the only time I'm going to respond to
you. I think you're wrong on this one and it's as simple as that.
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| User: "Howard Dean of the DNC" |
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| Title: Re: !DNC Apparently is Rolling Over For the NRA and Jerry Falwell! |
13 Apr 2005 10:57:40 AM |
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Richard "LuneBug" Hanson wrote:
"Chris Morton" <cmorton@newsguy.com> wrote in message
news:d3grsh01mc@drn.newsguy.com...
In article <425bec26$0$5816$9a6e19ea@news.newshosting.com>, Gandalf
Grey
says...
Another fascist rightie lie. The democratic party believes in the
dignity
of human life and that no government has the right to ignore the
death
wishes of American citizens. But your nazi party believes that it
should
have life/death power of its citizens and YOU support it.
Even when those "death wishes" were heard by nobody except someone
with a
rather
large conflict of interest.
They were heard by several of Terri's friends as well as her husband
and
that's been in the news and you should have heard of it.
Hearsay.
I've said before that I'm not going to get into any arguments with
you due
to a comment you made before that I appreciated.
Whine, whine,whine.
What a pansy you are, Rickie.
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| User: "Gandalf Grey" |
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| Title: Re: !DNC Apparently is Rolling Over For the NRA and Jerry Falwell! |
13 Apr 2005 03:07:20 PM |
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Troll <rcman777@excite.com> wrote in message
news:1113389860.259171.318360@l41g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
"Chris Morton" <cmorton@newsguy.com> wrote in message
news:d3grsh01mc@drn.newsguy.com...
In article <425bec26$0$5816$9a6e19ea@news.newshosting.com>, Gandalf
Grey
says...
Another fascist rightie lie. The democratic party believes in the
dignity
of human life and that no government has the right to ignore the
death
wishes of American citizens. But your nazi party believes that it
should
have life/death power of its citizens and YOU support it.
Even when those "death wishes" were heard by nobody except someone
with a
rather
large conflict of interest.
They were heard by several of Terri's friends as well as her husband
and
that's been in the news and you should have heard of it.
Hearsay.
No, hearsay is the only kind of evidence that you've got a brain, trollboy.
And it's not quite enough to convince anyone.
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| User: "Howard Dean of the DNC" |
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| Title: Re: !DNC Apparently is Rolling Over For the NRA and Jerry Falwell! |
14 Apr 2005 12:21:34 AM |
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Richard "When will Bellsouth Get Back to me??" von Hansonburg wrote:
They were heard by several of Terri's friends as well as her
husband
and
that's been in the news and you should have heard of it.
Hearsay.
No, hearsay is the only kind of evidence that you've got a brain,
trollboy.
And it's not quite enough to convince anyone.
And yet I can make you dance to my tune whenever I want, Desparate Boy?
Amazing!
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| User: "Gandalf Grey" |
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| Title: Re: !DNC Apparently is Rolling Over For the NRA and Jerry Falwell! |
14 Apr 2005 04:12:53 AM |
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Troll <rcman777@excite.com> wrote in message
news:1113438094.223008.253680@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com...
They were heard by several of Terri's friends as well as her
husband
and
that's been in the news and you should have heard of it.
Hearsay.
No, hearsay is the only kind of evidence that you've got a brain,
trollboy.
And it's not quite enough to convince anyone.
And yet I can make you dance to my tune
You don't have a tune, trollboy. You've got nothing.
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| User: "Howard Dean of the DNC" |
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| Title: Re: !DNC Apparently is Rolling Over For the NRA and Jerry Falwell! |
13 Apr 2005 12:41:22 AM |
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Richard "Abortionist" Hanson wrote:
"David Moffitt" <moffitcl@prodigy.net> wrote in message
news:OcH6e.7483$44.4464@newsread1.news.atl.earthlink.net...
Richard "So Glad My Momma Wanted Me" Hanson
<gandalfgrey@infectedmail.com> wrote in message
That's good to hear. It's about time that people realized that
the only
real moral values are coming from liberals.
%%%% Yes those leftard morals of killing unwanted babies and
starving
handicapped people to death. Hoo-Yah!
1. We don't kill unwanted babies the way you righties
This is the way Ricky and has leftwing fascist buddies "kill unwanted
babies":
http://www.missionariestopreborn.com/Saline.jpg
And like this:
http://www.mttu.com/abort-pics/saline1d.jpg
And like this:
http://www.peopleforlife.org/images/malachi.jpg
------
Such nice guys, those "compassionate" leftwing fascists!
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| User: "Christopher A. Lee" |
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| Title: Re: !DNC Apparently is Rolling Over For the NRA and Jerry Falwell! |
19 Apr 2005 05:02:54 AM |
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On 12 Apr 2005 17:41:22 -0700, "Howard Dean of the DNC"
<rcman777@excite.com> wrote:
Richard "Abortionist" Hanson wrote:
"David Moffitt" <moffitcl@prodigy.net> wrote in message
news:OcH6e.7483$44.4464@newsread1.news.atl.earthlink.net...
Richard "So Glad My Momma Wanted Me" Hanson
<gandalfgrey@infectedmail.com> wrote in message
That's good to hear. It's about time that people realized that
the only
real moral values are coming from liberals.
%%%% Yes those leftard morals of killing unwanted babies and
starving
handicapped people to death. Hoo-Yah!
1. We don't kill unwanted babies the way you righties
This is the way Ricky and has leftwing fascist buddies "kill unwanted
babies":
Why does this liar pretend anybody is "killing unwanted babies" or
"starving handicapped people to death"?
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| User: "David Moffitt" |
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| Title: Re: !DNC Apparently is Rolling Over For the NRA and Jerry Falwell! |
19 Apr 2005 12:30:32 PM |
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"Christopher A. Lee" <calee@optonline.net> wrote in message
news:c64961hosc900oh92e1hvk112im9uf0cf7@4ax.com...
On 12 Apr 2005 17:41:22 -0700, "Howard Dean of the DNC"
<rcman777@excite.com> wrote:
Richard "Abortionist" Hanson wrote:
"David Moffitt" <moffitcl@prodigy.net> wrote in message
news:OcH6e.7483$44.4464@newsread1.news.atl.earthlink.net...
Richard "So Glad My Momma Wanted Me" Hanson
<gandalfgrey@infectedmail.com> wrote in message
That's good to hear. It's about time that people realized that
the only
real moral values are coming from liberals.
%%%% Yes those leftard morals of killing unwanted babies and
starving
handicapped people to death. Hoo-Yah!
1. We don't kill unwanted babies the way you righties
This is the way Ricky and has leftwing fascist buddies "kill unwanted
babies":
Why does this liar pretend anybody is "killing unwanted babies" or
"starving handicapped people to death"?
%%%%% It is not pretending. Is abortion killing a baby?
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| User: "Christopher A. Lee" |
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| Title: Re: !DNC Apparently is Rolling Over For the NRA and Jerry Falwell! |
19 Apr 2005 12:39:20 PM |
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On Tue, 19 Apr 2005 12:30:32 GMT, "David Moffitt"
<moffitcl@prodigy.net> wrote:
"Christopher A. Lee" <calee@optonline.net> wrote in message
news:c64961hosc900oh92e1hvk112im9uf0cf7@4ax.com...
On 12 Apr 2005 17:41:22 -0700, "Howard Dean of the DNC"
<rcman777@excite.com> wrote:
Richard "Abortionist" Hanson wrote:
"David Moffitt" <moffitcl@prodigy.net> wrote in message
news:OcH6e.7483$44.4464@newsread1.news.atl.earthlink.net...
Richard "So Glad My Momma Wanted Me" Hanson
<gandalfgrey@infectedmail.com> wrote in message
That's good to hear. It's about time that people realized that
the only
real moral values are coming from liberals.
%%%% Yes those leftard morals of killing unwanted babies and
starving
handicapped people to death. Hoo-Yah!
1. We don't kill unwanted babies the way you righties
This is the way Ricky and has leftwing fascist buddies "kill unwanted
babies":
Why does this liar pretend anybody is "killing unwanted babies" or
"starving handicapped people to death"?
%%%%% It is not pretending. Is abortion killing a baby?
Of course not. It is something with the potential to become a baby.
Now explain why you pretend anybody is "starving handicapped people to
death".
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| User: "David Moffitt" |
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| Title: Re: !DNC Apparently is Rolling Over For the NRA and Jerry Falwell! |
19 Apr 2005 04:59:59 PM |
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"Christopher A. Lee" <calee@optonline.net> wrote in message
news:ftu961ptc4plns5ug1sj71b0vgsjv7rs8g@4ax.com...
On Tue, 19 Apr 2005 12:30:32 GMT, "David Moffitt"
<moffitcl@prodigy.net> wrote:
"Christopher A. Lee" <calee@optonline.net> wrote in message
news:c64961hosc900oh92e1hvk112im9uf0cf7@4ax.com...
On 12 Apr 2005 17:41:22 -0700, "Howard Dean of the DNC"
<rcman777@excite.com> wrote:
Richard "Abortionist" Hanson wrote:
"David Moffitt" <moffitcl@prodigy.net> wrote in message
news:OcH6e.7483$44.4464@newsread1.news.atl.earthlink.net...
Richard "So Glad My Momma Wanted Me" Hanson
<gandalfgrey@infectedmail.com> wrote in message
That's good to hear. It's about time that people realized that
the only
real moral values are coming from liberals.
%%%% Yes those leftard morals of killing unwanted babies and
starving
handicapped people to death. Hoo-Yah!
1. We don't kill unwanted babies the way you righties
This is the way Ricky and has leftwing fascist buddies "kill unwanted
babies":
Why does this liar pretend anybody is "killing unwanted babies" or
"starving handicapped people to death"?
%%%%% It is not pretending. Is abortion killing a baby?
Of course not. It is something with the potential to become a baby.
Now explain why you pretend anybody is "starving handicapped people to
death".
%%%% Terry Schivo. Did you consider her not a human or handicapped? A baby
is a baby. When a criminal kills a pregnant woman why is he many times
charged with 2 deaths and not just one if the fetus is not a baby?
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| User: "Morton Davis" |
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| Title: Re: !DNC Apparently is Rolling Over For the NRA and Jerry Falwell! |
19 Apr 2005 06:04:38 PM |
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"David Moffitt" <moffitcl@prodigy.net> wrote in message
news:jOa9e.9328$sp3.6702@newsread3.news.atl.earthlink.net...
"Christopher A. Lee" <calee@optonline.net> wrote in message
news:ftu961ptc4plns5ug1sj71b0vgsjv7rs8g@4ax.com...
On Tue, 19 Apr 2005 12:30:32 GMT, "David Moffitt"
<moffitcl@prodigy.net> wrote:
"Christopher A. Lee" <calee@optonline.net> wrote in message
news:c64961hosc900oh92e1hvk112im9uf0cf7@4ax.com...
On 12 Apr 2005 17:41:22 -0700, "Howard Dean of the DNC"
<rcman777@excite.com> wrote:
Richard "Abortionist" Hanson wrote:
"David Moffitt" <moffitcl@prodigy.net> wrote in message
news:OcH6e.7483$44.4464@newsread1.news.atl.earthlink.net...
Richard "So Glad My Momma Wanted Me" Hanson
<gandalfgrey@infectedmail.com> wrote in message
That's good to hear. It's about time that people realized
that
the only
real moral values are coming from liberals.
%%%% Yes those leftard morals of killing unwanted babies and
starving
handicapped people to death. Hoo-Yah!
1. We don't kill unwanted babies the way you righties
This is the way Ricky and has leftwing fascist buddies "kill
unwanted
babies":
Why does this liar pretend anybody is "killing unwanted babies" or
"starving handicapped people to death"?
%%%%% It is not pretending. Is abortion killing a baby?
Of course not. It is something with the potential to become a baby.
Now explain why you pretend anybody is "starving handicapped people to
death".
%%%% Terry Schivo. Did you consider her not a human or handicapped? A baby
is a baby. When a criminal kills a pregnant woman why is he many times
charged with 2 deaths and not just one if the fetus is not a baby?
Terri Schaivo died fifteen years ago. Medical science has advanced to the
point where it could keep her body going after she had died. There is a
difference between murder of a pregnant woman and an abortion. In the case
of the abortion, the woman consents to the removal of the fetus. In the case
of a murder, she does not.
I'm for keepiong abortion legal. It may be morally wrong, however, I believe
we should leave that to God, if there is one.
-*/MORT*-
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| User: "David Moffitt" |
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| Title: Re: !DNC Apparently is Rolling Over For the NRA and Jerry Falwell! |
19 Apr 2005 08:18:39 PM |
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"Morton Davis" <antikerry@home.com> wrote in message
news:WKb9e.1590$WI3.1261@attbi_s71...
"David Moffitt" <moffitcl@prodigy.net> wrote in message
news:jOa9e.9328$sp3.6702@newsread3.news.atl.earthlink.net...
"Christopher A. Lee" <calee@optonline.net> wrote in message
news:ftu961ptc4plns5ug1sj71b0vgsjv7rs8g@4ax.com...
On Tue, 19 Apr 2005 12:30:32 GMT, "David Moffitt"
<moffitcl@prodigy.net> wrote:
"Christopher A. Lee" <calee@optonline.net> wrote in message
news:c64961hosc900oh92e1hvk112im9uf0cf7@4ax.com...
On 12 Apr 2005 17:41:22 -0700, "Howard Dean of the DNC"
<rcman777@excite.com> wrote:
Richard "Abortionist" Hanson wrote:
"David Moffitt" <moffitcl@prodigy.net> wrote in message
news:OcH6e.7483$44.4464@newsread1.news.atl.earthlink.net...
Richard "So Glad My Momma Wanted Me" Hanson
<gandalfgrey@infectedmail.com> wrote in message
That's good to hear. It's about time that people realized
that
the only
real moral values are coming from liberals.
%%%% Yes those leftard morals of killing unwanted babies and
starving
handicapped people to death. Hoo-Yah!
1. We don't kill unwanted babies the way you righties
This is the way Ricky and has leftwing fascist buddies "kill
unwanted
babies":
Why does this liar pretend anybody is "killing unwanted babies" or
"starving handicapped people to death"?
%%%%% It is not pretending. Is abortion killing a baby?
Of course not. It is something with the potential to become a baby.
Now explain why you pretend anybody is "starving handicapped people to
death".
%%%% Terry Schivo. Did you consider her not a human or handicapped? A
baby
is a baby. When a criminal kills a pregnant woman why is he many times
charged with 2 deaths and not just one if the fetus is not a baby?
Terri Schaivo died fifteen years ago. Medical science has advanced to the
point where it could keep her body going after she had died.
%%%% Would shooting her with a 44 magnum be considered killing her?
There is a
difference between murder of a pregnant woman and an abortion. In the case
of the abortion, the woman consents to the removal of the fetus. In the
case
of a murder, she does not.
%%%% In both cases it resulted in the death of the baby. Calling it a fetus
is just a way to sooth the conscience.
I'm for keepiong abortion legal. It may be morally wrong, however, I
believe
we should leave that to God, if there is one.
%%%% I agree that it is wrong. I see too much death every day to be a party
to killing innocent life.
-*/MORT*-
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