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DO ALL CHRISTIANS GO TO HEAVEN? |
DO ALL CHRISTIANS GO TO HEAVEN?
By Stephen Knapp
Most Christians feel that they are bound to go to heaven
simply because, as they say, Christ died for their sins.
This is one of the basic principles of Christianity,
which was an idea that originated from the apostle Paul.
How do I know this? Because I was born and raised a
Christian for 20 years of my life and seriously studied
it out of my own conviction for several years as well.
So, many Christians seem to think, and some even say,
that even if they cannot give up all of their sinful
habits, all they have to do is believe in Jesus and that
he died for their sins, and they will be saved. It’s very
simple. So when they compare Christianity with other
religions, this is one of the reasons why they point out
it is so much easier than others. They especially do this
when preaching to Hindus or Buddhists in their attempt to
convince them to convert. Yet, mere belief in Jesus and
his crucifixion as being all you need to be saved is a
controversial point. Not all of the gospels that were in
circulation when the New Testament was compiled agreed
that the crucifixion was an act of atonement. Nor when
you really study the teachings of Jesus is this
elementary thinking advocated. It is a little more
complicated than merely believing in something, which the
next few pages will point out. This means that it may not
be so easy for just anyone to claim to be a Christian and
have an easy path to heaven.
First of all people need to realize that Jesus was a Jew
whose message was primarily for the Jewish people. In
Matthew (10.5-6), Jesus tells his twelve disciples to go
and preach, but not to the Gentiles (non-Jews), nor to
the Samaritans, but go to the lost sheep of the house of
Israel. This was to whom he wanted his message to reach.
Again in Matthew (15.22-24), a woman besought Jesus and
asked for mercy because her daughter was vexed with a
devil. But Jesus said nothing to her. Even his disciples,
who were Jews, asked him to send her away because she
cried after them. Yet his answer was that he had come to
this world only for the lost sheep of Israel. His
intention was to help only the Jewish people. Only after
much pleading from the woman did Jesus finally cure her
daughter. So this seems to indicate that Jesus’ main
interest was with the Jews; yet, they completely rejected
him. They did not accept him as a divine savior. And when
he was crucified by the Romans, this was taken as further
indication that he was not the messiah that was described
in the Jewish prophecies. Nonetheless, the Gentiles and
non-Jewish people accepted the doctrine of Christianity
and now believe they are saved by the blood of Christ,
which is another concept that came primarily from the
Apostle Paul. You generally do not find this teaching
before he interjected his own thoughts and writings into
Christianity.
So do all Christians go to heaven? Not when you consider
all the rules for exclusion. According to the books in
the New Testament, Jesus left specific instructions that
have to be followed or entrance into heaven may not be as
sure as many Christians say. In Matthew (10.37), Jesus
says that if anyone loves his or her father, mother, son,
or daughter more than him is not worthy of him. But also
in Matthew (15.4), God commands that a person must honor
his father and mother, and he that curseth his father or
mother must die the death. So you must honor your
parents, but not more than you love Jesus or you will not
get to heaven.
Jesus also explains in Matthew (12.36) that any idle
words a man speaks will have to be accounted for on the
judgement day. So you must also avoid idle words and
gossip. That is not an easy task for many people. Many
so-called Christians I see do not even make the attempt
to curb such tendencies. Jesus further explains in
Matthew (16.23-28) that a person must deny himself the
interests or pleasures of men and take up the cross and
follow him if he expects to reach the kingdom of God.
This certainly indicates that more than mere faith is
expected of a Christian, but how many can deny themselves
of the common pleasures of men and take up the cross?
In Matthew (18.34-35), Jesus says that the Lord will
punish you if you do not forgive everybody of their
trespasses against you. And again in Matthew (25.35-46)
we find that it is expected that a good Christian must
feed and clothe the poor, and take in the homeless,
though they be strangers, for as much as you do this for
them, you do it also for Jesus. And if you ignore such
people, it is as if you ignore Jesus, and you will go
into everlasting punishment.
Now we can see that the requirements for getting into
heaven are getting more demanding. But wait, there is
more. In Matthew (19.20-30), a man comes to Jesus and
wants to follow him, but Jesus tells him to first sell
everything he has and give the money to the poor.
However, the man could not bring himself to do that and
sadly went away. Jesus explained to his disciples that
hardly any rich man can enter heaven; it is easier for a
camel to go through the eye of a needle. Then his
disciples were amazed and questioned, if this was the
case, who could be saved? Jesus replied that all things
are possible with God, but those who have forsaken
houses, father, mother, wife, children, or property for
his name’s sake shall inherit everlasting life. So the
conclusion is that if you cannot become renounced, you
miss that everlasting life.
Similarly, in Luke (6.20, 24-30), Jesus says blessed are
the poor, for they shall reach the kingdom of God, and
woe to the rich, woe to those who are full for they will
be hungry, and woe to those who laugh now for they will
know sorrow. Plus, you must love and do good to your
enemies and those that hate you, give the other cheek for
those that hit you, do not forbid anyone to take your
coat, and do not ask that your goods be returned from one
who takes them. (This is all a huge difference compared
to the time and tactics of the Inquisition, which
tortured or killed anyone who refused to be a good
Christian.)
In Luke (9.61-62), there is the story of a man who came
to Jesus and asked to follow him, but first simply wanted
to bid farewell to his family. But Jesus rejected him and
said that no man, having once put his head to the plough
and looks back, is fit for the kingdom of God. In another
place in Luke (9.59-60), Jesus orders a man to follow
him, but the man requests that Jesus first allow him to
bury his dead father. Jesus, however, says to let the
dead bury their dead, and go preach the kingdom of God.
In Matthew (5.21-22), Jesus explains that if a person
kills another he shall be in danger of the judgement. But
he further explains that simply getting angry at another
without just cause shall also put one in danger of the
judgement. And (Matthew 5.20) unless your own
righteousness exceeds that of the scribes and Pharisees,
you shall in no case enter the kingdom of God.
What all this seems to indicate is that anyone who wants
to follow Jesus has to display a high degree of
detachment and renunciation from the world and its
material attractions and pleasures, and take up the
cross. Otherwise, they are not true followers of Jesus,
nor are they fit for the kingdom of God. Many Christians
may feel that faith alone is all they need to be saved,
but these biblical quotes of Jesus certainly indicate
that he expected and required much more than that. And
the direct quotes from the Bible and from Jesus should
certainly carry more weight than the rationalizations of
the Christian pastors and priests when they try to
minimize the seriousness of what has been said herein.
So what happens to all those who cannot measure up to the
proper standard? In Matthew (13.41-42), Jesus says that
the Son of man will send his angels who will gather out
all the things that offend and the people who do iniquity
and cast them into a furnace of fire where there will be
great wailing and gnashing of teeth. If all these rules
that Jesus explains must be followed perfectly, along
with all the commandments, etc., in order for Christians
to get to heaven, then that furnace must be a mighty big
place. But what kind of God would create a hell where
people eternally suffer? Especially if, according to
Christian theology, they are given only one lifetime to
have one chance at either becoming perfect and righteous
or go to eternal hell. What is the value of eternal
punishment if it never ends and the soul does not get the
chance to rectify himself? Why would God create living
beings who have a fallen tendency and then send them to
suffer eternally if they cannot measure up to the proper
standard? Threatening someone with eternal damnation is
hardly an expression of love and mercy. Therefore, this
Christian concept of God and hell makes little sense
because this form of punishment is not a matter of
rehabilitation, but is based on an attitude of anger and
vengeance. What need does God have for this if He is a
God of love, mercy, and compassion? Why would God spend
His time acting like an angry tyrant? He certainly has
better things to do. And as we look into the Vedic
conception of God and the nature of His personality as
described in the Puranas, we certainly do find a much
different and more appealing revelation of the
characteristics of the Supreme Being.
The Christian concept of God is that He is a God we must
fear. To verify this some people, of course, will point
out that in Exodus (20.5) it is written that God says He
is a jealous God. But a person exhibits jealousy or anger
when he is afraid of losing something, feels insecure, is
competing with another, or does not get what he wants. So
why would God, who is the creator and controller of
everything, feel insecure or fearful? Qualities such as
jealousy, insecurity, anger, or vengeance are qualities
found in the modes of passion and ignorance. And these
modes do not touch the Supreme. But God is perceived
differently by different cultures.
In the Bhagavad-gita (9.18), Lord Krishna says that He is
the creation, the basis of everything, the sustainer, the
goal, the refuge, the master, and the most dear friend.
This is a much more appropriate understanding of God.
Naturally, He must be our friend since we are all parts
of His spiritual energy. The only thing that gives the
appearance of our being in opposition with God, or being
fearful of Him, is our ignorance of spiritual reality.
This ignorance must be overcome with spiritual knowledge,
not compounded by the inadequacies of a religion that is
lacking in spiritual awareness and provides a deficient
understanding of God. The goal of any complete spiritual
path is to attain enlightenment of God, our spiritual
identity, and our relationship with God. The goal of the
Vedic path of bhakti is to develop love and devotion for
God, but you cannot love someone when you are afraid of
him. Love and fear are incompatible. Therefore, a
spiritually realized person will find it difficult to
accept that God is angry, jealous, or vengeful. Why
should God be angry or vengeful with us when the
universal laws that have been established by God
automatically take care of whatever good or bad things we
deserve? One who is spiritually realized knows that God
allows us the freedom to do what we want within the
confines of the universal laws, such as the law of karma,
and is always waiting for us to turn toward Him, and that
He is a God of love, mercy, compassion, and unfathomable
understanding. This is God as He really is and is the God
we will know in our state of spiritual enlightenment.
This is the benevolent God we learn of in the Vedic
literature. This is the Supreme Being who cares more
about us than we do Him, but who is always waiting for us
to turn toward Him and is always with us as Supersoul,
Paramatma, the Lord in the heart. This is what is
described in detail within portions of the Vedic
literature. Thus, we can begin to recognize the depth of
genuine spiritual knowledge, if we look in the right
places.
http://www.stephen-knapp.com/do_all_christians_go_to_heaven.htm
[More Information can be found on his large website,
http://www.stephen-knapp.com ]
TRIBUTES TO HINDUISM
1. Mahatma Gandhi:
"Hinduism has made marvelous discoveries in things of
religion, of the spirit, of the soul. We have no eye for
these great and fine discoveries. We are dazzled by the
material progress that western science has made. Ancient
India has survived because Hinduism was not developed
along material but spiritual lines.
"India is to me the dearest country in the world, because
I have discovered goodness in it. It has been subject to
foreign rule, it is true. But the status of a slave is
preferable to that of a slave holder."
2. Henry David Thoreau:
"In the morning I bathe my intellect in the stupendous
and cosmogonal philosophy of the Bhagavad Gita in
comparison with which our modern world and its literature
seems puny.
"What extracts from the Vedas I have read fall on me like
the light of a higher and purer luminary, which describes
a loftier course through purer stratum. It rises on me
like the full moon after the stars have come out, wading
through some far stratum in the sky."
3. Arthur Schopenhauer:
"In the whole world there is no study so beneficial and
so elevating as that of the Upanishads. It has been the
solace of my life -- it will be the solace of my death."
4. Ralph Waldo Emerson said this about the Gita:
"I owed a magnificent day to the Bhagavad Gita. It was as
if an empire spoke to us, nothing small or unworthy, but
large, serene, consistent, the voice of an old
intelligence which in another age and climate had
pondered and thus disposed of the same questions which
exercise us."
The famous poem "Brahm" is an example of his Vedanta
ecstasy.
5. Wilhelm von Humboldt pronounced the Gita as:
"The most beautiful, perhaps the only true philosophical
song existing in any known tongue ... perhaps the deepest
and loftiest thing the world has to show."
6. Lord Warren Hastings, the Governor General, was very
much impressed with Hindu philosophy:
"The writers of the Indian philosophies will survive,
when the British dominion in India shall long have ceased
to exist, and when the sources which it yielded of wealth
and power are lost to remembrances."
7. Mark Twain:
"So far as I am able to judge, nothing has been left
undone, either by man or nature, to make India the most
extraordinary country that the sun visits on his rounds.
Nothing seems to have been forgotten, nothing overlooked.
"Land of religions, cradle of human race, birthplace of
human speech, grandmother of legend, great grandmother of
tradition. The land that all men desire to see and having
seen once even by a glimpse, would not give that glimpse
for the shows of the rest of the globe combined."
8. Rudyard Kipling to Fundamental Christian Missionaries:
"Now it is not good for the Christian's health to hustle
the Hindu brown for the Christian riles and the Hindu
smiles and weareth the Christian down; and the end of the
fight is a tombstone while with the name of the late
deceased and the epitaph drear, "A fool lies here who
tried to hustle the east".
9. Jules Michelet, a French historian, said:
"At its starting point in India, the birthplace of races
and religions, the womb of the world." This is what he
said of the Raamyana in 1864: "Whoever has done or willed
too much let him drink from this deep cup a long draught
of life and youth .. . Everything is narrow in the West -
- Greece is small and I stifle; Judea is dry and I pant.
Let me look toward lofty Asia, and the profound East for
a little while. There lies my great poem, as vast as the
Indian ocean, blessed, gilded with the sun, the book of
divine harmony wherein is no dissonance. A serene peace
reigns there, and in the midst of conflict an infinite
sweetness, a boundless fraternity, which spreads over all
living things, an ocean (without bottom or bound) of
love, of pity, of clemency."
10. Shri Aurobindo:
"Hinduism.....gave itself no name, because it set itself
no sectarian limits; it claimed no universal adhesion,
asserted no sole infallible dogma, set up no single
narrow path or gate of salvation; it was less a creed or
cult than a continuously enlarging tradition of the
Godward endeavor of the human spirit. An immense many-
sided and many staged provision for a spiritual self-
building and self-finding, it had some right to speak of
itself by the only name it knew, the eternal religion,
sanaatan dharm...."
11. Will Durant would like the West to learn from India,
tolerance and gentleness and love for all living things:
"Perhaps in return for conquest, arrogance and
spoliation, India will teach us the tolerance and
gentleness of the mature mind, the quiet content of the
unacquisitive soul, the calm of the understanding spirit,
and a unifying, a pacifying love for all living things."
12. Joseph Campbell:
"It is ironic that our great western civilization, which
has opened to the minds of all mankind the infinite
wonders of a universe of untold billions of galaxies
should be saddled with the tightest little cosmological
image known to mankind? The Hindus with their grandiose
Kalpas and their ideas of the divine power which is
beyond all human category (male or female). Not so alien
to the imagery of modern science that it could not have
been put to acceptable use.
"There is an important difference between the Hindu and
the Western ideas. In the Biblical tradition, God creates
man, but man cannot say that he is divine in the same
sense that the Creator is, where as in Hinduism, all
things are incarnations of that power. We are the sparks
from a single fire. And we are all fire. Hinduism
believes in the omnipresence of the Supreme God in every
individual. There is no 'fall'. Man is not cut off from
the divine. He requires only to bring the spontaneous
activity of his mind stuff to a state of stillness and he
will experience that divine principle with him."
13. Sir Monier-Williams:
The Hindus, according to him, were Spinozists more than
2,000 years before the advent of Spinoza, and Darwinians
many centuries before Darwin and Evolutionists many
centuries before the doctrine of Evolution was accepted
by scientists of the present age.
14. Carl Sagan, (the late scientist), asserts that the
dance of Nataraj signifies the cycle of evolution and
destruction of the cosmic universe (Big Bang Theory). "It
is the clearest image of the activity of God which any
art or religion can boast of."
15. Sarvepalli Radhakrishnan, a professor of Eastern
Religions at Oxford and later President of India:
"Hinduism is not just a faith. It is the union of reason
and intuition that cannot be defined but is only to be
experienced. Evil and error are not ultimate. There is no
Hell, for that means there is a place where God is not,
and there are sins which exceed his love."
Jai Maharaj
http://www.mantra.com/jai
Om Shanti
Hindu Holocaust Museum
http://www.mantra.com/holocaust
Hindu life, principles, spirituality and philosophy
http://www.hindu.org
http://www.hindunet.org
The truth about Islam and Muslims
http://www.flex.com/~jai/satyamevajayate
The terrorist mission of Jesus stated in the Christian bible:
"Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not so send
peace, but a sword.
"For I am come to set a man at variance against his father, and the
daughter against her mother, and the daughter in law against her mother in
law.
"And a man's foes shall be they of his own household.
- Matthew 10:34-36.
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17 Jun 2005 06:49:37 AM |
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On Thu, 16 Jun 2005 23:07:31 +0000, Dr. Jai Maharaj wrote:
DO ALL CHRISTIANS GO TO HEAVEN?
Nobody goes to Heaven. There is no Heaven. It's a story people made up
to keep their kids in line. You are supposed to stop believing in it when
you develop some intellectual sophistication. Perhaps you didn't get the
memo?
--
MarkA
(still caught in the maze of twisty little passages, all different)
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| User: "Dr. Jai Maharaj" |
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17 Jun 2005 01:33:17 PM |
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In article <pan.2005.06.17.11.49.35.275957@stopspam.net>,
MarkA <manthony@stopspam.net> posted:
On Thu, 16 Jun 2005 23:07:31 +0000, Dr. Jai Maharaj posted:
DO ALL CHRISTIANS GO TO HEAVEN?
Nobody goes to Heaven. There is no Heaven. It's a story people made up
to keep their kids in line. You are supposed to stop believing in it when
you develop some intellectual sophistication. Perhaps you didn't get the
memo?
I got the memo about Christian deception.
Jai Maharaj
http://www.mantra.com/jai
Om Shanti
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| User: "Virendra" |
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16 Jun 2005 06:50:57 PM |
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Where did whites go before Jesus was born?
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16 Jun 2005 07:09:20 PM |
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Whites went to the same place then as they do now, that is nowhere or
also known as oblivion. Of course that's where everyone go's white, black,
brown or whatever. You go back to where you came from. Some would also
call it the place or state of non-being. St John the Atheist
"Virendra" <virenbeena@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1118965857.861273.107060@g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
Where did whites go before Jesus was born?
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| User: "Dr. Jai Maharaj" |
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16 Jun 2005 08:28:41 PM |
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In article <Qwose.14242$L65.12922@trnddc05>,
"john r howell" <jh.pita@verizon.net> posted:
"Virendra" <virenbeena@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1118965857.861273.107060@g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
Where did whites go before Jesus was born?
Whites went to the same place then as they do now, that is nowhere or
also known as oblivion. Of course that's where everyone go's white, black,
brown or whatever. You go back to where you came from. Some would also
call it the place or state of non-being. St John the Atheist
White are reborn as non-whites to
learn the lessons they need to learn.
Jai Maharaj
http://www.mantra.com/jai
Om Shanti
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| User: "Iain" |
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18 Jun 2005 07:05:17 PM |
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Dr. Jai Maharaj wrote:
In article <Qwose.14242$L65.12922@trnddc05>,
"john r howell" <jh.pita@verizon.net> posted:
"Virendra" <virenbeena@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1118965857.861273.107060@g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
Where did whites go before Jesus was born?
Whites went to the same place then as they do now, that is nowhere or
also known as oblivion. Of course that's where everyone go's white, black,
brown or whatever. You go back to where you came from. Some would also
call it the place or state of non-being. St John the Atheist
White are reborn as non-whites to
learn the lessons they need to learn.
My dear boy, you really must lighten up a bit.
~Iain
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| User: "Dr. Jai Maharaj" |
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18 Jun 2005 08:16:19 PM |
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In article <1119139517.753493.155900@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com>,
"Iain" <iain_inkster@hotmail.com> posted:
Dr. Jai Maharaj wrote:
In article <Qwose.14242$L65.12922@trnddc05>,
"john r howell" <jh.pita@verizon.net> posted:
"Virendra" <virenbeena@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1118965857.861273.107060@g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
Where did whites go before Jesus was born?
Whites went to the same place then as they do now, that is nowhere or
also known as oblivion. Of course that's where everyone go's white,
black,
brown or whatever. You go back to where you came from. Some would also
call it the place or state of non-being. St John the Atheist
White are reborn as non-whites to
learn the lessons they need to learn.
My dear boy, you really must lighten up a bit.
~Iain
No, I am not going to bleach my skin color: a beautiful
shade of brown inherited from both my parents -- not
artificially tanned as so many frustrated white-skinned
people try to do on the beach and in tanning salons.
Jai Maharaj
http://www.mantra.com/jai
Om Shanti
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19 Jun 2005 04:21:27 AM |
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Dr. Jai Maharaj wrote:
In article <1119139517.753493.155900@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com>,
"Iain" <iain_inkster@hotmail.com> posted:
Dr. Jai Maharaj wrote:
In article <Qwose.14242$L65.12922@trnddc05>,
"john r howell" <jh.pita@verizon.net> posted:
"Virendra" <virenbeena@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1118965857.861273.107060@g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
Where did whites go before Jesus was born?
Whites went to the same place then as they do now, that is nowhere or
also known as oblivion. Of course that's where everyone go's white,
black,
brown or whatever. You go back to where you came from. Some would also
call it the place or state of non-being. St John the Atheist
White are reborn as non-whites to
learn the lessons they need to learn.
My dear boy, you really must lighten up a bit.
~Iain
No, I am not going to bleach my skin color: a beautiful
shade of brown inherited from both my parents -- not
artificially tanned as so many frustrated white-skinned
people try to do on the beach and in tanning salons.
Many Brits are your colour naturally.
Incidentally, your spelling of "colour" is yet more evidence that
you're American.
~Iain
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| User: "walker" |
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26 Mar 2006 05:02:18 AM |
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ending up looking like jai maharaj, no thankyou
"Dr. Jai Maharaj" <usenet@mantra.com> wrote in message
news:CeEza6513eVSho@HgiAv...
In article <Qwose.14242$L65.12922@trnddc05>,
"john r howell" <jh.pita@verizon.net> posted:
"Virendra" <virenbeena@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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Where did whites go before Jesus was born?
Whites went to the same place then as they do now, that is nowhere or
also known as oblivion. Of course that's where everyone go's white,
black,
brown or whatever. You go back to where you came from. Some would also
call it the place or state of non-being. St John the Atheist
White are reborn as non-whites to
learn the lessons they need to learn.
Jai Maharaj
http://www.mantra.com/jai
Om Shanti
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| User: "Dr. Jai Maharaj" |
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| Title: Re: DO ALL CHRISTIANS GO TO HEAVEN? |
16 Jun 2005 08:26:31 PM |
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In article <1118965857.861273.107060@g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>,
"Virendra" <virenbeena@hotmail.com> posted:
Where did whites go before Jesus was born?
Aborted? Miscarried?
But Jesus wasn't white. Nor was he right.
Jai Maharaj
http://www.mantra.com/jai
Om Shanti
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| User: "harmony" |
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| Title: Re: DO ALL CHRISTIANS GO TO HEAVEN? |
17 Jun 2005 11:54:54 AM |
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"Dr. Jai Maharaj" <usenet@mantra.com> wrote in message
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In article <1118965857.861273.107060@g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>,
"Virendra" <virenbeena@hotmail.com> posted:
Where did whites go before Jesus was born?
Aborted? Miscarried?
But Jesus wasn't white. Nor was he right.
i think jesse jackson should use the above line in one of his always rhyming
speeches.
Jai Maharaj
http://www.mantra.com/jai
Om Shanti
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| User: "Dr. Jai Maharaj" |
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| Title: Re: DO ALL CHRISTIANS GO TO HEAVEN? |
17 Jun 2005 01:32:07 PM |
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In article <g9Dse.36681$oK.843@okepread02>,
"harmony" <aka@hotmail.com> posted:
"Dr. Jai Maharaj" <usenet@mantra.com> wrote in message
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In article <1118965857.861273.107060@g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>,
"Virendra" <virenbeena@hotmail.com> posted:
Where did whites go before Jesus was born?
Aborted? Miscarried?
But Jesus wasn't white. Nor was he right.
Jai Maharaj
i think jesse jackson should use the above line in one of his always rhyming
speeches.
Dhanyavaad for the suggestion. I will send it to him.
Jai Maharaj
http://www.mantra.com/jai
Om Shanti
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| User: "Virendra" |
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| Title: Re: DO ALL CHRISTIANS GO TO HEAVEN? |
18 Jun 2005 06:33:46 PM |
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OK, OK. Let me reframe the question. Where did ancesters's of
christians go before Jesus was born if Christianity is the key to
heaven?
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| User: "Iain" |
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| Title: Re: DO ALL CHRISTIANS GO TO HEAVEN? |
18 Jun 2005 07:19:30 PM |
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Virendra wrote:
OK, OK. Let me reframe the question. Where did ancesters's of
christians go before Jesus was born if Christianity is the key to
heaven?
According to Duke, they got saved by what was to them, Jesus' future
crucifixion, which begs the question........
~iain
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| User: "leo" |
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| Title: Re: DO ALL CHRISTIANS GO TO HEAVEN? |
16 Jun 2005 07:13:38 PM |
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Very good.
Mae West said, good girls go to heaven, bad girls go everywhere.
It is funny to imagine a god that condemns all men to Hell because they
dont know his teachings. It is funny that some people could believe
such a pile of trash.
leo
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| User: "Dr. Jai Maharaj" |
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| Title: Re: DO ALL CHRISTIANS GO TO HEAVEN? |
16 Jun 2005 08:30:03 PM |
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In article <1118967218.593367.106930@g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>,
"leo" <leo@leopoldoperdomo.com> posted:
Very good.
Mae West said, good girls go to heaven, bad girls go everywhere.
It is funny to imagine a god that condemns all men to Hell because they
dont know his teachings. It is funny that some people could believe
such a pile of trash.
leo
Christians believe such trash.
Jai Maharaj
http://www.mantra.com/jai
Om Shanti
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| User: "Cow-a-linga" |
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| Title: Re: DO ALL CHRISTIANS GO TO HEAVEN? |
17 Jun 2005 07:00:49 AM |
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Where did whites go before Jesus was born?
Why the obsession with whites? You're just feeding into their
superiority complex to rule over you.
A dark-skinned bugger like you can also become a christian and go to
heaven. Jesus was a black man, after all...
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