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"Bill" |
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17 Jan 2005 10:26:29 AM |
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DO ANY GODS EXIST? |
There are thousands of God beliefs and tales. Which, if any, is the real
God?
What objective evidence as to which is the real God? If there is a real God
why does he not the
tell us directly that he is the real God and all the rest are fakes?
Why doesn't God permit any of our dead friends or loved ones to tell us
directly about the
grandeur of heaven and the pain of hell?
If God exists, why does he need interpreters ( preachers ) to speak for him?
In fact, why doesn't God have his own Web site ( or communication direct
from heaven ) to answer our questions?
Why does only a small fraction of mankind claim to hear God speak and then
from different Gods? Are these claims based on fantasies from mentally
deranged people? There is NO OBJECTIVE EVIDENCE that anyone has talked with
God or any of the billions of deceased mortals.
Why would an all powerful God permit different scriptures, tomes, texts and
religious beliefs, replete with differences and contradictions, to fuel the
ravings of numerous sects, branches, churches and rites?
There are many different religions and literally thousands of God beliefs.
There are major religions such as Christian, Judaism, Buddhists, Sikhs,
Hindus, Muslims, Shintoists, Confusions, Christian Scientists, Mormons,
Protestants, Catholics, Evangelicists, Baptists etc. Why doesn't he clearly
declare which is the real God and correct belief system and that all the
others are fakes?
It would appear that ALL the Gods are mythical creations of man and do not
actually exist.
Does anyone have objective evidence or proof that their God is real and
actually exists? The Bibles and similar documents of other religions are not
objective evidence or proof, they are merely the unsubstantiated opinions
( and contradictory opinions ) and tales of other mortals.
The evidence is rather substantial that god did not create man, but quite
the opposite, that man created godS.
"Yesterday this days madness did prepare:
Tomorrow's silence, triumph, or despair:
Drink! For you know not whence you came, nor why;
Drink! For you know not why you go nor where."
The Rubaiyat - by Omar Khayyam
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Bill
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| User: "SheBlewHimDidYouBlowHim?" |
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17 Jan 2005 08:55:07 PM |
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yea okay, if that was the website of the almighty, then I am not impressed
at all.
That looks like some junior high school kid did it.
"GodAlrighty" <god@heaven.org> wrote in message
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If God exists, why does he need interpreters ( preachers ) to speak for
him?
In fact, why doesn't God have his own Web site ( or communication direct
from heaven ) to answer our questions?
He does: www.GodAlrighty.com
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| User: "Family Man" |
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18 Jan 2005 12:34:54 AM |
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"SheBlewHimDidYouBlowHim?" <KILLGOD@KILLGOD.COM> wrote in message
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yea okay, if that was the website of the almighty, then I am not impressed
at all.
That looks like some junior high school kid did it.
I am a proud Atheist, but you are a flamming jackass. You are an *****
without a clue.
Keep posting, we are very close to finding out where you live, you SOB POS
moron.
I will find you.
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| User: "SheBlewHimDidYouBlowHim?" |
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18 Jan 2005 06:27:21 AM |
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Keep posting, we are very close to finding out where you live
LMAO. For what, because I hate god? BIG F'ING DEAL.
newsflash jerk, I am allowed to HATE GOD or not woship god in America.
This is yet another email of yours that has been forwarded to my lawyer.
You're two for two, want to try three for three?
"Family Man" <nospam@nospam.com> wrote in message
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"SheBlewHimDidYouBlowHim?" <KILLGOD@KILLGOD.COM> wrote in message
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yea okay, if that was the website of the almighty, then I am not
impressed at all.
That looks like some junior high school kid did it.
I am a proud Atheist, but you are a flamming jackass. You are an *****
without a clue.
Keep posting, we are very close to finding out where you live, you SOB POS
moron.
I will find you.
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| User: "Douglas Berry" |
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18 Jan 2005 11:25:20 AM |
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On Tue, 18 Jan 2005 12:27:21 GMT, "SheBlewHimDidYouBlowHim?"
<KILLGOD@KILLGOD.COM> drained his beer, leaned back in the alt.atheism
beanbag and drunkenly proclaimed the following
LMAO. For what, because I hate god? BIG F'ING DEAL.
newsflash jerk, I am allowed to HATE GOD or not woship god in America.
This is yet another email of yours that has been forwarded to my lawyer.
You're two for two, want to try three for three?
Man, you're pathetic.
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Douglas E. Berry Do the OBVIOUS thing to send e-mail
Atheist #2147, Atheist Vet #5
"Men never do evil so completely and cheerfully as
when they do it from religious conviction."
Blaise Pascal (1623-1662), Pense'es, #894.
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| User: "bob young" |
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18 Jan 2005 03:25:23 AM |
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Bill wrote:
There are thousands of God beliefs and tales. Which, if any, is the real
God?
Seems to me it's the one that each individual was brought up to believe in.
Being told by a mother and father that there is a god is a mighty powerful
thing, after all, are we to call our parents liars?!
What objective evidence as to which is the real God? If there is a real God
why does he not the
tell us directly that he is the real God and all the rest are fakes?
This commonm sense approach, for the reason given above, is always ignored by
believers in one particular religion
Why doesn't God permit any of our dead friends or loved ones to tell us
directly about the
grandeur of heaven and the pain of hell?
Originally religions were designed to provide safety and order in ancient
societies, societies that would today find our rule of law and policing highly
welcome, they would probably be able to get their first decent nights sleep!
Stepping outside the home in those days would have been a risk, so the wrath of
gods was the only way to deter the bad elements. Today, of course, it is
superfluous
If God exists, why does he need interpreters ( preachers ) to speak for him?
In fact, why doesn't God have his own Web site ( or communication direct
from heaven ) to answer our questions?
Expect a bible quote to this one. It has been asked many times before. They
have no rational answer.
Why does only a small fraction of mankind claim to hear God speak and then
from different Gods? Are these claims based on fantasies from mentally
deranged people? There is NO OBJECTIVE EVIDENCE that anyone has talked with
God or any of the billions of deceased mortals.
None at all and whenever a preacher claims he has it is always when he is
alone, never before witnesses. The worst aspect of this though is the cronic
lying that takes place. They consider it is OK to lie as their god will
forgive them for lying in order to justify His existence. ROFL
Why would an all powerful God permit different scriptures, tomes, texts and
religious beliefs, replete with differences and contradictions, to fuel the
ravings of numerous sects, branches, churches and rites?
He would not, of course. But again, we have to pretend this question has not
been asked or provide an oblique load of meaningless crap in response
There are many different religions and literally thousands of God beliefs.
There are major religions such as Christian, Judaism, Buddhists, Sikhs,
Hindus, Muslims, Shintoists, Confusions, Christian Scientists, Mormons,
Protestants, Catholics, Evangelicists, Baptists etc. Why doesn't he clearly
declare which is the real God and correct belief system and that all the
others are fakes?
He can't. Humans will try, of course
It would appear that ALL the Gods are mythical creations of man and do not
actually exist.
A sound common sense judgment
Does anyone have objective evidence or proof that their God is real and
actually exists? The Bibles and similar documents of other religions are not
objective evidence or proof, they are merely the unsubstantiated opinions
( and contradictory opinions ) and tales of other mortals.
No
The evidence is rather substantial that god did not create man, but quite
the opposite, that man created godS.
Absolutely
"Yesterday this days madness did prepare:
Tomorrow's silence, triumph, or despair:
Drink! For you know not whence you came, nor why;
Drink! For you know not why you go nor where."
The Rubaiyat - by Omar Khayyam
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Bill
So many gods, so many creeds,
So many paths that wind and wind,
While just the art of being kind,
Is all the sad world needs
[Ella Wheeler Wilcox 1855-1919]
Bob
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| User: "RS" |
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17 Jan 2005 09:14:57 PM |
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Bill, what qualifies as "objective data" in your eyes? You keep using this
word, objective. Please define a spectrum for that term.
-RS
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| User: "Bill" |
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18 Jan 2005 02:29:15 PM |
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"RS" <rswarts@bu.edu> wrote in message news:cshv0b$c5o$1@news3.bu.edu...
Bill, what qualifies as "objective data" in your eyes? You keep using
this
word, objective. Please define a spectrum for that term.
-RS
Right out of the dictionary. I suggest you buy one. That way you would
blather on and on with your subjective myths.
Note that "having to do with reality". That is what your posts totally lack.
ob·jec·tive ( .b-jµk"tıv) adj. 1. Of or having to do with a material
object. 2. Having actual existence or reality. 3. a. Uninfluenced by
emotions or personal prejudices: an objective critic.
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| User: "Al Klein" |
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18 Jan 2005 02:52:10 PM |
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On Mon, 17 Jan 2005 22:14:57 -0500, "RS" <rswarts@bu.edu> said in
alt.atheism:
Bill, what qualifies as "objective data" in your eyes? You keep using this
word, objective. Please define a spectrum for that term.
I'm sure he defines "objective" the same way everyone else, aside from
those who prefer it not be definable, does.
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"Shake off all the fears of servile prejudices, under which weak minds
are servilely crouched. Fix reason firmly in her seat, and call on her
tribunal for every fact, every opinion. Question with boldness even the
existence of a God; because, if there be one, he must more approve of
the homage of reason than that of blindfolded fear."
- Thomas Jefferson (1743 - 1826)
(random sig, produced by SigChanger)
rukbat at verizon dot net
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| User: "nJb" |
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17 Jan 2005 11:02:23 PM |
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Bill... Consider yourself rebuked. ;-)
Jack
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| User: "bob young" |
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18 Jan 2005 04:00:30 AM |
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nJb wrote:
Bill... Consider yourself rebuked. ;-)
Jack
...or mybe even, rebuffed.
'rebored?!' .....Oooh no heaven forbid!
Bob
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| User: "stoney" |
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20 Jan 2005 10:44:27 PM |
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On Tue, 18 Jan 2005 18:00:30 +0800, bob young
<alaspectrum@netvigator.com> wrote:
nJb wrote:
Bill... Consider yourself rebuked. ;-)
Jack
..or mybe even, rebuffed.
'rebored?!' .....Oooh no heaven forbid!
He got a ring job?......
--
Contempt of Congress meter reading-offscale.
Hello, theocracy with a fundamentalist US Supreme
Court who will ensure church and state are joined
at the hip like clergy and altar boys.
America 1776-Jan 2001 RIP
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| User: "William" |
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17 Jan 2005 11:15:09 AM |
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On Mon, 17 Jan 2005 16:26:29 GMT, "Bill" <wmech@worldnet.att.net>
wrote:
There are thousands of God beliefs and tales. Which, if any, is the real
God?
What objective evidence as to which is the real God? If there is a real God
why does he not the
tell us directly that he is the real God and all the rest are fakes?
Cause it would spoil the game of trying to decide whether there is a
God and which one it is.
Why doesn't God permit any of our dead friends or loved ones to tell us
directly about the grandeur of heaven and the pain of hell?
Ah, we have a biblical answer to that one. It wouldn't make a lot of
difference!! (Luke 16:30)
If God exists, why does he need interpreters ( preachers ) to speak for him?
In fact, why doesn't God have his own Web site ( or communication direct
from heaven ) to answer our questions?
There would be no room for misunderstanding, errors and
mis-tranlastions. It would destroy all those different religions,
denominations, sects and cults who fight over 2000 different
'revealed' Truths. What a nice, boring world. Silly question.
Why does only a small fraction of mankind claim to hear God speak and then
from different Gods? Are these claims based on fantasies from mentally
deranged people? There is NO OBJECTIVE EVIDENCE that anyone has talked with
God or any of the billions of deceased mortals.
There is no objective evidence that anyone has talked to pixies. Are
you implying that anyone who claims to have done so might be mentally
deranged?
Why would an all powerful God permit different scriptures, tomes, texts and
religious beliefs, replete with differences and contradictions, to fuel the
ravings of numerous sects, branches, churches and rites?
You didn't say what sort of God you are talking about. And,
presumably, an all powerful God could do whatever he wants to do.
William
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| User: "stoney" |
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20 Jan 2005 10:19:08 PM |
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On Mon, 17 Jan 2005 17:15:09 GMT, (William)
wrote:
On Mon, 17 Jan 2005 16:26:29 GMT, "Bill" <wmech@worldnet.att.net>
wrote:
There are thousands of God beliefs and tales. Which, if any, is the real
God?
What objective evidence as to which is the real God? If there is a real God
why does he not the
tell us directly that he is the real God and all the rest are fakes?
[]
You didn't say what sort of God you are talking about. And,
presumably, an all powerful God could do whatever he wants to do.
Other than exist.
William
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Contempt of Congress meter reading-offscale.
Hello, theocracy with a fundamentalist US Supreme
Court who will ensure church and state are joined
at the hip like clergy and altar boys.
America 1776-Jan 2001 RIP
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| User: "stoney" |
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20 Jan 2005 10:17:43 PM |
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On Mon, 17 Jan 2005 16:26:29 GMT, "Bill" <wmech@worldnet.att.net>
wrote:
[]
No.
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Contempt of Congress meter reading-offscale.
Hello, theocracy with a fundamentalist US Supreme
Court who will ensure church and state are joined
at the hip like clergy and altar boys.
America 1776-Jan 2001 RIP
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| User: "duke" |
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17 Jan 2005 05:21:29 PM |
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On Mon, 17 Jan 2005 16:26:29 GMT, "Bill" <wmech@worldnet.att.net> wrote:
What objective evidence as to which is the real God? If there is a real God
why does he not the
tell us directly that he is the real God and all the rest are fakes?
He did. He rose from the dead.
Why doesn't God permit any of our dead friends or loved ones to tell us
directly about the
grandeur of heaven and the pain of hell?
You won't believe anyway.
duke
In God We Trust
*****
Matthew 7
21"Not everyone who says to me, 'Lord, Lord,'
will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only he
who does the will of my Father who is in heaven.
*****
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| User: "Douglas Berry" |
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18 Jan 2005 11:24:35 AM |
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On Mon, 17 Jan 2005 17:21:29 -0600, duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> drained
his beer, leaned back in the alt.atheism beanbag and drunkenly
proclaimed the following
On Mon, 17 Jan 2005 16:26:29 GMT, "Bill" <wmech@worldnet.att.net> wrote:
What objective evidence as to which is the real God? If there is a real God
why does he not the
tell us directly that he is the real God and all the rest are fakes?
He did. He rose from the dead.
So did Osiris.
http://sobek.colorado.edu/LAB/GODS/osiris.html
And Mithra
http://www.pantheon.org/articles/m/mithra.html
You can also add Horus, Adonis, and Krishna to that list. Bacchus was
torn apart and rose.
All of these stories come from logn before the Christian cult got
started.
Why doesn't God permit any of our dead friends or loved ones to tell us
directly about the
grandeur of heaven and the pain of hell?
You won't believe anyway.
If my father called me, I'd have to believe, since that would be
direct evidence.
--
Douglas E. Berry Do the OBVIOUS thing to send e-mail
Atheist #2147, Atheist Vet #5
"Men never do evil so completely and cheerfully as
when they do it from religious conviction."
Blaise Pascal (1623-1662), Pense'es, #894.
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| User: "duke" |
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18 Jan 2005 05:42:39 PM |
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On Tue, 18 Jan 2005 17:24:35 GMT, Douglas Berry <penguin_boy@mindOBVIOUSspring.com> wrote:
So did Osiris.
Nope, osiris didn't. But they is your chance to show that you think he did.
http://sobek.colorado.edu/LAB/GODS/osiris.html
And Mithra
Nope, mithra was nothing more than a ray of diffused sunlight from before the time that
man walked on the earth, according to the world expert on mithra.
http://www.pantheon.org/articles/m/mithra.html
You can also add Horus, Adonis, and Krishna to that list. Bacchus was
torn apart and rose.
Nope.
All of these stories come from logn before the Christian cult got
started.
And not a one true. Good grief, I can't believe a man of your background falls for some
silly mythology story like that.
Why doesn't God permit any of our dead friends or loved ones to tell us
directly about the
grandeur of heaven and the pain of hell?
You won't believe anyway.
If my father called me, I'd have to believe, since that would be
direct evidence.
Now you setting conditions.
duke
In God We Trust
*****
Matthew 7
21"Not everyone who says to me, 'Lord, Lord,'
will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only he
who does the will of my Father who is in heaven.
*****
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| User: "wcb" |
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17 Jan 2005 11:29:33 AM |
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duke wrote:
On Mon, 17 Jan 2005 16:26:29 GMT, "Bill" <wmech@worldnet.att.net> wrote:
What objective evidence as to which is the real God? If there is a real
God why does he not the
tell us directly that he is the real God and all the rest are fakes?
He did. He rose from the dead.
Why doesn't God permit any of our dead friends or loved ones to tell us
directly about the
grandeur of heaven and the pain of hell?
You won't believe anyway.
Its all lies, for fools strictly.
Contradictions in the gospels.
Mark 16
Three women go to the tomb. The tomb stone
is rolled away and one "young man" is inside
is sitting on the "right side". The women
are fearful, flee the tomb and "tell no man",
"for they were afraid".
Matthew 28.
Its two women and they find the tombstone in
place. An earthquake happens, an angel descends,
dramtically rolls the stone away and sits on it.
They meet Jesus and hug his feet.
He tells them to tell the apostles to meet him
in Galilee, which the apostles believe and in fact
do, believing the women.
Luke 21.
Its five or more women, and the tomb is open.
inside they find two men standing. They go
and tell eleven apostles who do not believe
them, thinking their story is an "idle tale".
John 20.
Only Mary Magdalene goes to the tomb. No other women.
She finds it open and tells two, not eleven
apostles. Who believe her and race each other to be
first to the tomb.
They leave and she goes back and then meets Jesus.
She is told not to touch him as he is not yet
ascended.
In Luke, the later tale Peter then does go to
the tomb is not in early manuscripts. Its a later
addition, meant to somewhat harmonize Luke and
John.
Matthew has a ludicrous tale of soldiers bribed to
say they slept on duty and the disciples stole the
body. Since sleeping on duty was a capitol crime
for soldiers of that day, this is impossible, no
soldier was sign his own death warrant.
Soldiers are singularly lacking in Mark,
Luke and John. As are earthquakes and angels
rolling away stones and dramatically sitting
on them.
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Cheerful Charlie
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18 Jan 2005 05:38:18 PM |
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On Mon, 17 Jan 2005 12:29:33 -0500, wcb <wbarwell@mylinuxisp.com> wrote:
You won't believe anyway.
Its all lies, for fools strictly.
Well, that's pretty much what I expect a fool to say.
Contradictions in the gospels.
Mark 16
Three women go to the tomb. The tomb stone
is rolled away and one "young man" is inside
is sitting on the "right side". The women
are fearful, flee the tomb and "tell no man",
"for they were afraid".
Matthew 28.
Its two women and they find the tombstone in
place. An earthquake happens, an angel descends,
dramtically rolls the stone away and sits on it.
They meet Jesus and hug his feet.
He tells them to tell the apostles to meet him
in Galilee, which the apostles believe and in fact
do, believing the women.
Luke 21.
Its five or more women, and the tomb is open.
inside they find two men standing. They go
and tell eleven apostles who do not believe
them, thinking their story is an "idle tale".
John 20.
Only Mary Magdalene goes to the tomb. No other women.
She finds it open and tells two, not eleven
apostles. Who believe her and race each other to be
first to the tomb.
They leave and she goes back and then meets Jesus.
She is told not to touch him as he is not yet
ascended.
In Luke, the later tale Peter then does go to
the tomb is not in early manuscripts. Its a later
addition, meant to somewhat harmonize Luke and
John.
Matthew has a ludicrous tale of soldiers bribed to
say they slept on duty and the disciples stole the
body. Since sleeping on duty was a capitol crime
for soldiers of that day, this is impossible, no
soldier was sign his own death warrant.
Soldiers are singularly lacking in Mark,
Luke and John. As are earthquakes and angels
rolling away stones and dramatically sitting
on them.
And not a one of any value spiritually.
duke
In God We Trust
*****
Matthew 7
21"Not everyone who says to me, 'Lord, Lord,'
will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only he
who does the will of my Father who is in heaven.
*****
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| User: "bob young" |
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18 Jan 2005 03:44:53 AM |
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duke wrote:
On Mon, 17 Jan 2005 16:26:29 GMT, "Bill" <wmech@worldnet.att.net> wrote:
What objective evidence as to which is the real God? If there is a real God
why does he not the
tell us directly that he is the real God and all the rest are fakes?
He did. He rose from the dead.
Why doesn't God permit any of our dead friends or loved ones to tell us
directly about the
grandeur of heaven and the pain of hell?
You won't believe anyway.
Now there's two mighty powerful answers, If I ever saw two mighty powerful
answers!
Then they get upset when a poster calls them 'childish stupid idiots'. Anyone
want to volunteer?
duke
In God We Trust
*****
Matthew 7
21"Not everyone who says to me, 'Lord, Lord,'
will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only he
who does the will of my Father who is in heaven.
*****
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| User: "stoney" |
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20 Jan 2005 10:39:37 PM |
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On Tue, 18 Jan 2005 17:44:53 +0800, bob young
<alaspectrum@netvigator.com> wrote:
duke wrote:
On Mon, 17 Jan 2005 16:26:29 GMT, "Bill" <wmech@worldnet.att.net> wrote:
What objective evidence as to which is the real God? If there is a real God
why does he not the
tell us directly that he is the real God and all the rest are fakes?
He did. He rose from the dead.
Why doesn't God permit any of our dead friends or loved ones to tell us
directly about the
grandeur of heaven and the pain of hell?
You won't believe anyway.
Now there's two mighty powerful answers, If I ever saw two mighty powerful
answers!
Then they get upset when a poster calls them 'childish stupid idiots'. Anyone
want to volunteer?
Puke's not worth the keystrokes to do so.
--
Contempt of Congress meter reading-offscale.
Hello, theocracy with a fundamentalist US Supreme
Court who will ensure church and state are joined
at the hip like clergy and altar boys.
America 1776-Jan 2001 RIP
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| User: "SheBlewHimDidYouBlowHim?" |
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17 Jan 2005 05:19:57 PM |
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Why doesn't God permit any of our dead friends or loved ones to tell us
directly about the grandeur of heaven and the pain of hell?
EXACTLY, if heaven is so great, then it would be GREAT advertising, and it
turn, might stop a lot of the problems here on earth, people might start
being nicer to each other, etc. God could end in a second any doubt as to
the existence of heaven.
If hell was so bad, we would all try and do our best to stay away from
theer.
GOD IS A USELESS IDIOT.
DEATH TO GOD
"Bill" <wmech@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message
news:VGRGd.17195$S11.9889@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net...
There are thousands of God beliefs and tales. Which, if any, is the real
God?
What objective evidence as to which is the real God? If there is a real
God
why does he not the
tell us directly that he is the real God and all the rest are fakes?
Why doesn't God permit any of our dead friends or loved ones to tell us
directly about the
grandeur of heaven and the pain of hell?
If God exists, why does he need interpreters ( preachers ) to speak for
him?
In fact, why doesn't God have his own Web site ( or communication direct
from heaven ) to answer our questions?
Why does only a small fraction of mankind claim to hear God speak and then
from different Gods? Are these claims based on fantasies from mentally
deranged people? There is NO OBJECTIVE EVIDENCE that anyone has talked
with
God or any of the billions of deceased mortals.
Why would an all powerful God permit different scriptures, tomes, texts
and
religious beliefs, replete with differences and contradictions, to fuel
the
ravings of numerous sects, branches, churches and rites?
There are many different religions and literally thousands of God beliefs.
There are major religions such as Christian, Judaism, Buddhists, Sikhs,
Hindus, Muslims, Shintoists, Confusions, Christian Scientists, Mormons,
Protestants, Catholics, Evangelicists, Baptists etc. Why doesn't he
clearly
declare which is the real God and correct belief system and that all the
others are fakes?
It would appear that ALL the Gods are mythical creations of man and do not
actually exist.
Does anyone have objective evidence or proof that their God is real and
actually exists? The Bibles and similar documents of other religions are
not
objective evidence or proof, they are merely the unsubstantiated opinions
( and contradictory opinions ) and tales of other mortals.
The evidence is rather substantial that god did not create man, but quite
the opposite, that man created godS.
"Yesterday this days madness did prepare:
Tomorrow's silence, triumph, or despair:
Drink! For you know not whence you came, nor why;
Drink! For you know not why you go nor where."
The Rubaiyat - by Omar Khayyam
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Bill
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| User: "RS" |
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17 Jan 2005 09:12:38 PM |
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You can't ask others if the Divine exists. You have to search your heart
and ask yourself, because the answer doesn't come from those around you, but
from your own heart. Do you have the heart to believe in the Divine? Do
you sincerely believe that there is something greater than yourself and that
death on earth isn't the end of life? If you answer these questions, you
can determine whether or not the Divine exists for you.
-RS
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| User: "Bill" |
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18 Jan 2005 02:23:24 PM |
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"RS" <rswarts@bu.edu> wrote in message news:cshus0$bqu$1@news3.bu.edu...
You can't ask others if the Divine exists. You have to search your heart
and ask yourself, because the answer doesn't come from those around you,
but
from your own heart. Do you have the heart to believe in the Divine? Do
you sincerely believe that there is something greater than yourself and
that
death on earth isn't the end of life? If you answer these questions, you
can determine whether or not the Divine exists for you.
-RS
Your heart just pumps blood. It is only your brain that has reasoning
powers.
And if God wanted us to adore and obey him the least he could do would be to
prove who is the real God and who are fakes.
Either God does no care whether we know who is the real God are he doesn't
exist.
The evidence to date is that he doesn't exist.
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| User: "stoney" |
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20 Jan 2005 10:40:48 PM |
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On Mon, 17 Jan 2005 22:12:38 -0500, "RS" <rswarts@bu.edu> wrote:
You can't ask others if the Divine exists.
It doesn't. You know there are meds to help your condition.
[]
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Contempt of Congress meter reading-offscale.
Hello, theocracy with a fundamentalist US Supreme
Court who will ensure church and state are joined
at the hip like clergy and altar boys.
America 1776-Jan 2001 RIP
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| User: "Christopher A. Lee" |
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17 Jan 2005 09:18:36 PM |
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On Mon, 17 Jan 2005 22:12:38 -0500, "RS" <rswarts@bu.edu> wrote:
You can't ask others if the Divine exists. You have to search your heart
and ask yourself, because the answer doesn't come from those around you, but
from your own heart. Do you have the heart to believe in the Divine? Do
you sincerely believe that there is something greater than yourself and that
death on earth isn't the end of life? If you answer these questions, you
can determine whether or not the Divine exists for you.
More stupidity, blatant question-begging and shifting of the burden.
And yet more demonstration that you lie when you pretend you didn't
talk at atheists as though it actually existed.
Either prove it or shut the ***** up.
Preferably the latter.
Do you honestly imagine your transparent copouts fool anybody but
yourself?
-RS
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| User: "RS" |
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17 Jan 2005 10:11:14 PM |
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"Christopher A. Lee" <calee@optonline.net> wrote in message
news:6svou05qtnkoq0k3qato9svuujhoa1u1r4@4ax.com...
On Mon, 17 Jan 2005 22:12:38 -0500, "RS" <rswarts@bu.edu> wrote:
More stupidity, blatant question-begging and shifting of the burden.
And yet more demonstration that you lie when you pretend you didn't
talk at atheists as though it actually existed.
Either prove it or shut the ***** up.
I am not trying to prove anything to anyone. Bill asked if the Divine
existed. I advised him that it is a question others can't answer for him,
but he must answer for himself. You fail to realize that I am not posting
to atheists. I am in alt.religion posting to a message which was introcuced
by an atheist into alt.religion. I have been nothing but respectful and
polite. You have shown nothing but disrespect and vulgarity. You are
hanging up one some point that means nothing.
"you pretend that you didn't tlak at atheists as though God actually
existed". I already told you that I was responding to EVERYONE (not just
atheists) with the undertone that God existed, with the assumption that God
exists. I am not going to talk to atheists as though God doesn't exist.
Why would I do that if I know he exists? You are asking me to not be myself
when I am talking to others? That is quite rude and hubris of you.
I wasn't participating in a debate with my above response. No one was
attacking my beliefs. Bill asked a question "Do any Gods exist?" I answered
that question with substance and sincerity.
"Other people cannot answer that question for you. You have to answer it
for yourself." That is a substantial and straightfoward answer to "Does the
divine exist?" and isn't a cop-out in any way.
There is no need for vulgarity in this newsgroup. Also, if you intend to
respond you should be more clear in your response. "Either prove it or shut
up" means nothing as a stand-alone sentence. What does "it" refer to? What
am I trying to prove? I am not trying to prove anything. He asked "Does
the divine exist?" and I responded quite clearly that it is a question he
must answer himself, instead of relying on the answers of others.
Let me see... you want proof...
The proof that he must answer it himself: We are all individuals. As
individuals, we all have different beliefs and attitudes. Not one person is
the same. Therefore, such a question concerning such a personal aspect of
ones life must be answered by the person himself. If other people answer
something like that for you, it isn't a truth you find in your heart. It is
like someone telling you who to marry or what to name your child... it is
something you have to do yourself.
Now let's analyze your anger and disrespect towards me... you are upset at
me because I was talking with athiests with the tone that God exists. I
was, indeed, talking WITH atheists (not at them since I was responding to
the questions they were proposing). I was responding with the assumption
that God exists: Yes. I have stated that a few times. I was talking to
them with the understanding that God exists, with an understanding that I
respect their beliefs. I will continue to incorporate the fact that God
exists into my posts because if I don't, I am denying a part of myself. I
am not going to chance who I am for anyone and I will not pretend as if God
isn't real for the sake of satisfying your whining cry for "proof" when I
have offered "proof" that I was indeed talking to them as though God
existed.
If you do not wish to talk to me, all you have to do is ask me to stop cross
posting. If you respond with "please stop cross posting to alt.atheism" I
will stop cross posting. However, if you ask a series of questions or make
a few rude comments attacking my culture and faith and then ask me to stop
cross-posting, I will defend myself to your disrespectful claims.
-RS
-RS
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| User: "Christopher A. Lee" |
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18 Jan 2005 03:45:44 AM |
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On Mon, 17 Jan 2005 23:11:14 -0500, "RS" <rswarts@bu.edu> wrote:
"Christopher A. Lee" <calee@optonline.net> wrote in message
news:6svou05qtnkoq0k3qato9svuujhoa1u1r4@4ax.com...
On Mon, 17 Jan 2005 22:12:38 -0500, "RS" <rswarts@bu.edu> wrote:
More stupidity, blatant question-begging and shifting of the burden.
And yet more demonstration that you lie when you pretend you didn't
talk at atheists as though it actually existed.
Either prove it or shut the ***** up.
I am not trying to prove anything to anyone. Bill asked if the Divine
existed. I advised him that it is a question others can't answer for him,
but he must answer for himself.
And telling him to look for himself was more stupidity, blatant
question-begging and shifting of the burden.
You fail to realize that I am not posting
to atheists.
Why do you lie? You know perfectly well that you are cross-posting to
an atheist newsgroup.
I am in alt.religion posting to a message which was introcuced
by an atheist into alt.religion. I have been nothing but respectful and
polite.
Stop lying.
You have been sanctimoniously stupid. Anything but polite.
You have shown nothing but disrespect and vulgarity. You are
Liar. I have explained why your responses are worthless. But you
ignored all this.
hanging up one some point that means nothing.
One of these days you might show a modicum of honesty.
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| User: "Pastor Dave" |
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| Title: Re: DO ANY GODS EXIST? |
19 Jan 2005 07:43:21 AM |
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On Tue, 18 Jan 2005 04:45:44 -0500, while scaling the
Mt. Everest, Christopher A. Lee <calee@optonline.net>
pontificated:
On Mon, 17 Jan 2005 23:11:14 -0500, "RS" <rswarts@bu.edu> wrote:
"Christopher A. Lee" <calee@optonline.net> wrote in message
news:6svou05qtnkoq0k3qato9svuujhoa1u1r4@4ax.com...
On Mon, 17 Jan 2005 22:12:38 -0500, "RS" <rswarts@bu.edu> wrote:
More stupidity, blatant question-begging and shifting of the burden.
And yet more demonstration that you lie when you pretend you didn't
talk at atheists as though it actually existed.
Either prove it or shut the ***** up.
I am not trying to prove anything to anyone. Bill asked if the Divine
existed. I advised him that it is a question others can't answer for him,
but he must answer for himself.
And telling him to look for himself was more stupidity, blatant
question-begging and shifting of the burden.
There is no "burden". Believe. Don't believe. Your
choice.
___
Pastor Dave Raymond
"I have more understanding than all my teachers:
for thy testimonies are my meditations." - Psalm 119:99
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"And take the helmet of salvation and the sword of
the Spirit, which is the word of God:" - Ephesians 6:17
http://www.ecclesia.org/truth/solution.html
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| User: "Bill" |
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19 Jan 2005 07:21:32 PM |
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"Pastor Dave" <newsgroupmail@nospam-tampabay.rr.com> wrote in message
news:0vosu0dbjjeuk87ivv2ul41ge7vr3f9hg5@4ax.com...
On Tue, 18 Jan 2005 04:45:44 -0500, while scaling the
Mt. Everest, Christopher A. Lee <calee@optonline.net>
pontificated:
On Mon, 17 Jan 2005 23:11:14 -0500, "RS" <rswarts@bu.edu> wrote:
"Christopher A. Lee" <calee@optonline.net> wrote in message
news:6svou05qtnkoq0k3qato9svuujhoa1u1r4@4ax.com...
On Mon, 17 Jan 2005 22:12:38 -0500, "RS" <rswarts@bu.edu> wrote:
More stupidity, blatant question-begging and shifting of the burden.
And yet more demonstration that you lie when you pretend you didn't
talk at atheists as though it actually existed.
Either prove it or shut the ***** up.
I am not trying to prove anything to anyone. Bill asked if the Divine
existed. I advised him that it is a question others can't answer for
him,
but he must answer for himself.
And telling him to look for himself was more stupidity, blatant
question-begging and shifting of the burden.
There is no "burden". Believe. Don't believe. Your
choice.
Should we also believe in Santa Claus, the Easte Bunny and other Gods on the
basis of "just believe"
there is no need for evidence?? That sound like pretty stupid reasoning.
___
Pastor Dave Raymond
"I have more understanding than all my teachers:
for thy testimonies are my meditations." - Psalm 119:99
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"And take the helmet of salvation and the sword of
the Spirit, which is the word of God:" - Ephesians 6:17
http://www.ecclesia.org/truth/solution.html
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