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23 May 2004 08:53:47 AM |
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do atheists hate their Dads ? |
my Dad once called me a ***** in the Knights of St Columba Club when
I was helping him and his friend Louis clean the bar
He just said it out of the side of his mouth as I was stood next to
him - I later thought maybe it was directed towards Louis
anyway, my Dad died a few months later for His sins
the next time I walked past the KSC club, which was closed down, I was
carrying a football (soccer ball) and I lifted it above my head,
looked into the sky and told Him, "This is my Life"
I have now applied to be a member of the KSC...
Father Michael Lavin, my Parish Priest, of Sacred Heart Church,
Blackburn, gave a really good sermon today, watch out for him, he may
be the next English Pope... www.sacredheartblackburn.org.uk
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| User: "Therion Ware" |
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23 May 2004 12:28:10 PM |
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On Sun, 23 May 2004 13:53:47 +0000 (UTC) in
alt.religion.christian.roman-catholic, Damian John Paul Brown (Damian
John Paul Brown <damian@phpexpert.org>) said, directing the reply to
alt.religion.christian.roman-catholic
my Dad once called me a ***** in the Knights of St Columba Club when
I was helping him and his friend Louis clean the bar
He just said it out of the side of his mouth as I was stood next to
him - I later thought maybe it was directed towards Louis
anyway, my Dad died a few months later for His sins
I think you'll find all die, good and bad alike.
the next time I walked past the KSC club, which was closed down, I was
carrying a football (soccer ball) and I lifted it above my head,
looked into the sky and told Him, "This is my Life"
I have now applied to be a member of the KSC...
So the cathedral plan is on hold?
Father Michael Lavin, my Parish Priest, of Sacred Heart Church,
Blackburn, gave a really good sermon today, watch out for him, he may
be the next English Pope... www.sacredheartblackburn.org.uk
After some promotion, no doubt.
Still quite what that has to do with the subject at hand quite escapes
me, though the theory is fairly old, originated by Paul Vitz, IIRC.
[search] Ah, here we are:
http://www.columbia.edu/cu/augustine/arch/frear/vitz.htm
Seems a bit trite all in all and similarly whether atheism is true or
not seems to have been lost in the shuffle, while of course one may
posit that theists never recover from finding out their fathers are
fallible, and go on to seek an infallible substitute whose
infallibility is demonstrated by resounding silence.
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| User: "Damian John Paul Brown" |
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23 May 2004 12:55:18 PM |
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On Sun, 23 May 2004 18:28:10 +0100, Therion Ware
<autodelete@city-of-dis.com> wrote:
Seems a bit trite all in all and similarly whether atheism is true or
not seems to have been lost in the shuffle, while of course one may
posit that theists never recover from finding out their fathers are
fallible, and go on to seek an infallible substitute whose
infallibility is demonstrated by resounding silence.
I don't know what you think you are doing comparing me to the Vitz
fellow, I didn't click on the URL so I don't know what you are getting
at
but I tell you something my Dad still addresses me as Lad, as He did
when He was on Earth and there is only silence between me and my Dad
when I am in company of others, the rest of the time I hear my Dad's
voice, and He happens to be telling me "You tell him Lad" NOW
yes capitals He said
so if you don't believe me and have no Faith in me, go on your merry
way and do as you please, but whenever you listen to the Good News,
heed what is said, because you might just say to yourself, "That's
that Lad from the NG"
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| User: "Therion Ware" |
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23 May 2004 03:01:55 PM |
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On Sun, 23 May 2004 17:55:18 +0000 (UTC) in alt.atheism, Damian John
Paul Brown (Damian John Paul Brown <damian@phpexpert.org>) said,
directing the reply to alt.atheism
On Sun, 23 May 2004 18:28:10 +0100, Therion Ware
<autodelete@city-of-dis.com> wrote:
Seems a bit trite all in all and similarly whether atheism is true or
not seems to have been lost in the shuffle, while of course one may
posit that theists never recover from finding out their fathers are
fallible, and go on to seek an infallible substitute whose
infallibility is demonstrated by resounding silence.
I don't know what you think you are doing comparing me to the Vitz
fellow, I didn't click on the URL so I don't know what you are getting
at
IIRC, Vitz originated the conjecture that atheists don't get on with
their fathers, and consequently, reject the father figure of God.
but I tell you something my Dad still addresses me as Lad, as He did
when He was on Earth and there is only silence between me and my Dad
when I am in company of others, the rest of the time I hear my Dad's
voice, and He happens to be telling me "You tell him Lad" NOW
yes capitals He said
Generally speaking talking to dead people can be of some cathartic use
in certain circumstances. Hearing replies however is I think a trifle
suspect.
so if you don't believe me and have no Faith in me, go on your merry
way and do as you please, but whenever you listen to the Good News,
heed what is said, because you might just say to yourself, "That's
that Lad from the NG"
Who, I presume, has his usual attention span.
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| User: "Damian John Paul Brown" |
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23 May 2004 04:28:04 PM |
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On Sun, 23 May 2004 21:01:55 +0100, Therion Ware
<autodelete@city-of-dis.com> wrote:
Generally speaking talking to dead people can be of some cathartic use
in certain circumstances. Hearing replies however is I think a trifle
suspect.
I don't talk to Him, He contacts me
when the undertaker was round asking my Mum, "Burial or Cremation ?",
my Mum couldn't decide, so he said "Damian ?", and then for the first
time, very clearly I heard "I want a Burial Lad", and I was so
pleasantly surprised I just said "Burial" to the undertaker
that was the most clear and crisp that I heard His voice, but now He
just kind of succours me, with "You're alright Lad" and "Light a
candle for me" , when I attend Mass
and when I put a Blackburn Rovers lapel badge on His grave, He told me
to take it off, and I took it off around midnight one night, and that
was when I saw a Spirit in the Cemetery, halfway to my Dad's grave
from reading the Bible and seeing that the Creator is a jealous God,
who is purported to support Everton by Evertonian fans, I suspect that
is why I was told to take the Rovers badge off
I am told by my Dad that they sit in Heaven most High wearing football
shirts, my Dad with a Rovers top, Jesus with an Israel top and God the
Creator with an Everton top
and I also know it is true about many mansions
I will leave it there for now, obviously you cannot get a true picture
of me and my relationship with my Dad from a message in a NG, but you
never know who is around the next corner - try attending a Catholic
mass sometime - today's mass was beautiful
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| User: "Therion Ware" |
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24 May 2004 05:28:24 AM |
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On Sun, 23 May 2004 21:28:04 +0000 (UTC) in alt.atheism, Damian John
Paul Brown (Damian John Paul Brown <damian@phpexpert.org>) said,
directing the reply to alt.atheism
On Sun, 23 May 2004 21:01:55 +0100, Therion Ware
<autodelete@city-of-dis.com> wrote:
Do you make unmarked snips for any particular reason?
Generally speaking talking to dead people can be of some cathartic use
in certain circumstances. Hearing replies however is I think a trifle
suspect.
I don't talk to Him, He contacts me
Really? I wonder if a tin-foil hat would help.
when the undertaker was round asking my Mum, "Burial or Cremation ?",
my Mum couldn't decide, so he said "Damian ?", and then for the first
time, very clearly I heard "I want a Burial Lad", and I was so
pleasantly surprised I just said "Burial" to the undertaker
You are aware, of course, that intercourse with the purported spirits
of the dead is a big no-no in RCC tradition. Have you related your
tales to your Priest, who is no doubt rather familiar with you.
that was the most clear and crisp that I heard His voice, but now He
just kind of succours me, with "You're alright Lad" and "Light a
candle for me" , when I attend Mass
and when I put a Blackburn Rovers lapel badge on His grave, He told me
to take it off, and I took it off around midnight one night, and that
was when I saw a Spirit in the Cemetery, halfway to my Dad's grave
from reading the Bible and seeing that the Creator is a jealous God,
who is purported to support Everton by Evertonian fans, I suspect that
is why I was told to take the Rovers badge off
I am told by my Dad that they sit in Heaven most High wearing football
shirts, my Dad with a Rovers top, Jesus with an Israel top and God the
Creator with an Everton top
Really? I'd always fancied that God, if there is a God, supports
Millwall - rather as he tends to support the army with the most
appropriate tactics, best soldiers, logistics staff, and equipment.
and I also know it is true about many mansions
I will leave it there for now, obviously you cannot get a true picture
of me and my relationship with my Dad from a message in a NG, but you
never know who is around the next corner - try attending a Catholic
mass sometime - today's mass was beautiful
Darling, when I was a student I used to work as switchboard operator
and de-facto chucker out at Westminster Cathedral, Victoria, London,
and while I'm not adverse to a little high ritual, beauty isn't always
indicative of truth - as illustrated by the fact that I know for a
fact that Cardinal Hume wore blue M&S boxer shorts. Not a pretty
sight, I can assure you.
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| User: "Douglas Berry" |
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23 May 2004 09:26:38 PM |
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Great Lord Damian John Paul Brown <damian@phpexpert.org>, braving the
raging storm, scaled the mighty crag called alt.atheism on Sun, 23 May
2004 21:28:04 +0000 (UTC) and screamed this to the uncaring Gods.
I don't talk to Him, He contacts me
when the undertaker was round asking my Mum, "Burial or Cremation ?",
my Mum couldn't decide, so he said "Damian ?", and then for the first
time, very clearly I heard "I want a Burial Lad", and I was so
pleasantly surprised I just said "Burial" to the undertaker
That's called schizophrenia. It can be treated.
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"Men never do evil so completely and cheerfully as
when they do it from religious conviction."
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| User: "Fred Stone" |
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23 May 2004 10:27:45 AM |
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Damian John Paul Brown <damian@phpexpert.org> wrote in
<...>
No, I don't hate my dad. We get along just fine. Mom too.
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Fred Stone
aa# 1369
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| User: "Damian John Paul Brown" |
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23 May 2004 11:09:51 AM |
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On Sun, 23 May 2004 15:27:45 GMT, Fred Stone <fstone69@earthling.com>
wrote:
Damian John Paul Brown <damian@phpexpert.org> wrote in
<...>
No, I don't hate my dad. We get along just fine. Mom too.
Good - tell him you love him before he dies
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| User: "Woden" |
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23 May 2004 09:14:18 AM |
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Damian John Paul Brown <damian@phpexpert.org> wrote in
news:5sa1b0hebq86j6ud0jj26glbiefv16068u@4ax.com:
my Dad once called me a ***** in the Knights of St Columba Club when
I was helping him and his friend Louis clean the bar
He just said it out of the side of his mouth as I was stood next to
him - I later thought maybe it was directed towards Louis
anyway, my Dad died a few months later for His sins
How typically xian. Blaming someones death on their "sins".
the next time I walked past the KSC club, which was closed down, I was
carrying a football (soccer ball) and I lifted it above my head,
looked into the sky and told Him, "This is my Life"
I have now applied to be a member of the KSC...
Sounds like a personal problem.
Father Michael Lavin, my Parish Priest, of Sacred Heart Church,
Blackburn, gave a really good sermon today, watch out for him, he may
be the next English Pope... www.sacredheartblackburn.org.uk
What does all this ***** have to do with your question about whether
atheists hate their dads? Why do you think atheism has anything to do
with whether a person hates their father or not?
Just for the record, my father is still a devout xian and we get along
just fine.
--
Woden
"religion is a socio-political system for controlling people's thoughts,
lives and actions based on ancient myths and superstitions, perpetrated
through generations of subtle yet pervasive brainwashing."
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| User: "Damian John Paul Brown" |
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23 May 2004 09:57:33 AM |
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On Sun, 23 May 2004 14:14:18 -0000, Woden <woden@charter.net> wrote:
Damian John Paul Brown <damian@phpexpert.org> wrote in
news:5sa1b0hebq86j6ud0jj26glbiefv16068u@4ax.com:
my Dad once called me a ***** in the Knights of St Columba Club when
I was helping him and his friend Louis clean the bar
He just said it out of the side of his mouth as I was stood next to
him - I later thought maybe it was directed towards Louis
anyway, my Dad died a few months later for His sins
How typically xian. Blaming someones death on their "sins".
was being sarcastic - He was sinless - He almost went straight to
Heaven - Life Everlasting Our Belief - typically Catholic
the next time I walked past the KSC club, which was closed down, I was
carrying a football (soccer ball) and I lifted it above my head,
looked into the sky and told Him, "This is my Life"
I have now applied to be a member of the KSC...
Sounds like a personal problem.
I have more of a personnel problem at the moment
Father Michael Lavin, my Parish Priest, of Sacred Heart Church,
Blackburn, gave a really good sermon today, watch out for him, he may
be the next English Pope... www.sacredheartblackburn.org.uk
What does all this ***** have to do with your question about whether
atheists hate their dads? Why do you think atheism has anything to do
with whether a person hates their father or not?
Our Father who art in Heaven...has something to do with it
Just for the record, my father is still a devout xian and we get along
just fine.
that makes me glad for you - my Father and I get on even better now
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| User: "Woden" |
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23 May 2004 11:23:31 AM |
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Damian John Paul Brown <damian@phpexpert.org> wrote in
news:vte1b094uioaj6jcefjpf8gfp8vosl6122@4ax.com:
On Sun, 23 May 2004 14:14:18 -0000, Woden <woden@charter.net> wrote:
Damian John Paul Brown <damian@phpexpert.org> wrote in
news:5sa1b0hebq86j6ud0jj26glbiefv16068u@4ax.com:
my Dad once called me a ***** in the Knights of St Columba Club
when I was helping him and his friend Louis clean the bar
He just said it out of the side of his mouth as I was stood next to
him - I later thought maybe it was directed towards Louis
anyway, my Dad died a few months later for His sins
How typically xian. Blaming someones death on their "sins".
was being sarcastic - He was sinless - He almost went straight to
Heaven - Life Everlasting Our Belief - typically Catholic
Of course he was. Feel free to imagine whatever you want for your
deceased father.
the next time I walked past the KSC club, which was closed down, I
was carrying a football (soccer ball) and I lifted it above my head,
looked into the sky and told Him, "This is my Life"
I have now applied to be a member of the KSC...
Sounds like a personal problem.
I have more of a personnel problem at the moment
Father Michael Lavin, my Parish Priest, of Sacred Heart Church,
Blackburn, gave a really good sermon today, watch out for him, he
may be the next English Pope... www.sacredheartblackburn.org.uk
What does all this ***** have to do with your question about
whether atheists hate their dads? Why do you think atheism has
anything to do with whether a person hates their father or not?
Our Father who art in Heaven...has something to do with it
He's your imaginary "father" not mine. My father is quite real and quite
alive.
Just for the record, my father is still a devout xian and we get along
just fine.
that makes me glad for you - my Father and I get on even better now
Yeah, it's easy to get along with someone who only exists now as
memories and imagination.
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Woden
"religion is a socio-political system for controlling people's thoughts,
lives and actions based on ancient myths and superstitions, perpetrated
through generations of subtle yet pervasive brainwashing."
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24 May 2004 08:22:23 AM |
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Damian John Paul Brown <damian@phpexpert.org> wrote in alt.atheism
Woden <woden@charter.net> wrote:
What does all this ***** have to do with your question about whether
atheists hate their dads? Why do you think atheism has anything to do
with whether a person hates their father or not?
Our Father who art in Heaven...has something to do with it
Jupiter?
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Elroy Willis
EAP Chief Editor and Newshound
http://web2.airmail.net/~elo/news
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23 May 2004 10:01:18 AM |
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On Sun, 23 May 2004 14:57:33 +0000 (UTC), Damian John Paul Brown
<damian@phpexpert.org> wrote:
What does all this ***** have to do with your question about whether
atheists hate their dads? Why do you think atheism has anything to do
with whether a person hates their father or not?
Our Father who art in Heaven...has something to do with it
Don't be so (a) stupid, (b) nasty.
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23 May 2004 02:10:02 PM |
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"Christopher A. Lee" <calee@optonline.net> wrote in message
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On Sun, 23 May 2004 14:57:33 +0000 (UTC), Damian John Paul Brown
<damian@phpexpert.org> wrote:
What does all this ***** have to do with your question about whether
atheists hate their dads? Why do you think atheism has anything to do
with whether a person hates their father or not?
Our Father who art in Heaven...has something to do with it
Don't be so (a) stupid, (b) nasty.
He's a Christian. He can't help it.
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24 May 2004 11:32:50 AM |
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"John Baker" <nunya@bizniz.net> wrote in message news:<eG6sc.11560$2H2.402@fe2.columbus.rr.com>...
"Christopher A. Lee" <calee@optonline.net> wrote in message
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On Sun, 23 May 2004 14:57:33 +0000 (UTC), Damian John Paul Brown
<damian@phpexpert.org> wrote:
What does all this ***** have to do with your question about whether
atheists hate their dads? Why do you think atheism has anything to do
with whether a person hates their father or not?
Our Father who art in Heaven...has something to do with it
Don't be so (a) stupid, (b) nasty.
He's a Christian. He can't help it.
Naw... I went to school with a brilliant Christian - Catholic, too.
But then, he wouldn't leave a rude post here, and pretend he didn't
know what he was doing. Joe and I had numerous discussions on this
subject. I don't remember it ever getting heated. He was a scientist -
he wouldn't expect his experience to persuade a rational man (or
witch). That's why we got along so well.
Kermit
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24 May 2004 06:01:59 PM |
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"Kermit" <unrestrained_hand@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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"John Baker" <nunya@bizniz.net> wrote in message
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"Christopher A. Lee" <calee@optonline.net> wrote in message
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On Sun, 23 May 2004 14:57:33 +0000 (UTC), Damian John Paul Brown
<damian@phpexpert.org> wrote:
What does all this ***** have to do with your question about
whether
atheists hate their dads? Why do you think atheism has anything to
do
with whether a person hates their father or not?
Our Father who art in Heaven...has something to do with it
Don't be so (a) stupid, (b) nasty.
He's a Christian. He can't help it.
Naw... I went to school with a brilliant Christian - Catholic, too.
But then, he wouldn't leave a rude post here, and pretend he didn't
know what he was doing. Joe and I had numerous discussions on this
subject. I don't remember it ever getting heated. He was a scientist -
he wouldn't expect his experience to persuade a rational man (or
witch). That's why we got along so well.
Yes, I've known a few like that myself. I realized after I hit 'send' that
"fundy" would have been more accurate than simply 'Christian'.
Kermit
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23 May 2004 10:58:08 AM |
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On Sun, 23 May 2004 15:01:18 GMT, Christopher A. Lee
<calee@optonline.net> wrote:
On Sun, 23 May 2004 14:57:33 +0000 (UTC), Damian John Paul Brown
<damian@phpexpert.org> wrote:
What does all this ***** have to do with your question about whether
atheists hate their dads? Why do you think atheism has anything to do
with whether a person hates their father or not?
Our Father who art in Heaven...has something to do with it
Don't be so (a) stupid, (b) nasty.
(a) I was being rhetorical...
(b) Catholicism is based on the Our Father and Hail Mary, quite
beautiful prayers if you care to remember them, I was just trying to
remind everyone of the words...
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23 May 2004 09:23:08 PM |
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Great Lord Damian John Paul Brown <damian@phpexpert.org>, braving the
raging storm, scaled the mighty crag called alt.atheism on Sun, 23 May
2004 15:58:08 +0000 (UTC) and screamed this to the uncaring Gods.
On Sun, 23 May 2004 15:01:18 GMT, Christopher A. Lee
Don't be so (a) stupid, (b) nasty.
(a) I was being rhetorical...
No, you asked a question.
(b) Catholicism is based on the Our Father and Hail Mary, quite
beautiful prayers if you care to remember them, I was just trying to
remind everyone of the words...
Attention, moron. alt.atheism DOES NOT CARE about what your antique
feudal organization thinks or does. We are *atheists*. Do you
understand that? I want you to write down that you understand that
atheists do NOT believe in gods. Any of them. At ALL.
Man, but you are dense.
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when they do it from religious conviction."
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23 May 2004 11:08:37 AM |
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In article <0ji1b0led1v6ud45apub7kp5rlu04djbcj@4ax.com>, Damian John Paul Brown
says...
On Sun, 23 May 2004 15:01:18 GMT, Christopher A. Lee
<calee@optonline.net> wrote:
On Sun, 23 May 2004 14:57:33 +0000 (UTC), Damian John Paul Brown
<damian@phpexpert.org> wrote:
What does all this ***** have to do with your question about whether
atheists hate their dads? Why do you think atheism has anything to do
with whether a person hates their father or not?
Our Father who art in Heaven...has something to do with it
Don't be so (a) stupid, (b) nasty.
(a) I was being rhetorical...
(b) Catholicism is based on the Our Father and Hail Mary, quite
beautiful prayers if you care to remember them, I was just trying to
remind everyone of the words...
Babe, in case you haven't noticed, we're ATHEISTS! Why the heck would be care
about your religion.
Think about it.
Robyn
Resident Witchypoo & EAC Spellcaster
#1557
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| User: "Mark K. Bilbo" |
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23 May 2004 02:21:07 PM |
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On Sun, 23 May 2004 16:08:37 +0000 in episode
<904sc.4102$H4.149@www.newsranger.com> we saw our hero Robibnikoff
<nospam@newsranger.com>:
In article <0ji1b0led1v6ud45apub7kp5rlu04djbcj@4ax.com>, Damian John Paul
Brown says...
On Sun, 23 May 2004 15:01:18 GMT, Christopher A. Lee
<calee@optonline.net> wrote:
On Sun, 23 May 2004 14:57:33 +0000 (UTC), Damian John Paul Brown
<damian@phpexpert.org> wrote:
What does all this ***** have to do with your question about
whether atheists hate their dads? Why do you think atheism has
anything to do with whether a person hates their father or not?
Our Father who art in Heaven...has something to do with it
Don't be so (a) stupid, (b) nasty.
(a) I was being rhetorical...
(b) Catholicism is based on the Our Father and Hail Mary, quite beautiful
prayers if you care to remember them, I was just trying to remind
everyone of the words...
Babe, in case you haven't noticed, we're ATHEISTS! Why the heck would be
care about your religion.
Think about it.
You're asking *way too much...
--
Mark K. Bilbo - a.a. #1423
EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion
Finally, we're reaching true equality in our schools.
NOBODY is getting an education...
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| User: "Robibnikoff" |
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| Title: Re: do atheists hate their Dads ? |
23 May 2004 03:31:33 PM |
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In article <pan.2004.05.23.19.21.06.969362@hoo.com-amikchi>, Mark K. Bilbo
says...
On Sun, 23 May 2004 16:08:37 +0000 in episode
<904sc.4102$H4.149@www.newsranger.com> we saw our hero Robibnikoff
<nospam@newsranger.com>:
In article <0ji1b0led1v6ud45apub7kp5rlu04djbcj@4ax.com>, Damian John Paul
Brown says...
On Sun, 23 May 2004 15:01:18 GMT, Christopher A. Lee
<calee@optonline.net> wrote:
On Sun, 23 May 2004 14:57:33 +0000 (UTC), Damian John Paul Brown
<damian@phpexpert.org> wrote:
What does all this ***** have to do with your question about
whether atheists hate their dads? Why do you think atheism has
anything to do with whether a person hates their father or not?
Our Father who art in Heaven...has something to do with it
Don't be so (a) stupid, (b) nasty.
(a) I was being rhetorical...
(b) Catholicism is based on the Our Father and Hail Mary, quite beautiful
prayers if you care to remember them, I was just trying to remind
everyone of the words...
Babe, in case you haven't noticed, we're ATHEISTS! Why the heck would be
care about your religion.
Think about it.
You're asking *way too much...
Ah well, call me the eternal optimist ;)
Robyn
Resident Witchypoo & EAC Spellcaster
#1557
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| User: "Damian John Paul Brown" |
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| Title: Re: do atheists hate their Dads ? |
23 May 2004 11:38:36 AM |
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On Sun, 23 May 2004 16:08:37 GMT, Robibnikoff <nospam@newsranger.com>
wrote:
In article <0ji1b0led1v6ud45apub7kp5rlu04djbcj@4ax.com>, Damian John Paul Brown
says...
On Sun, 23 May 2004 15:01:18 GMT, Christopher A. Lee
<calee@optonline.net> wrote:
On Sun, 23 May 2004 14:57:33 +0000 (UTC), Damian John Paul Brown
<damian@phpexpert.org> wrote:
What does all this ***** have to do with your question about whether
atheists hate their dads? Why do you think atheism has anything to do
with whether a person hates their father or not?
Our Father who art in Heaven...has something to do with it
Don't be so (a) stupid, (b) nasty.
(a) I was being rhetorical...
(b) Catholicism is based on the Our Father and Hail Mary, quite
beautiful prayers if you care to remember them, I was just trying to
remind everyone of the words...
Babe, in case you haven't noticed, we're ATHEISTS! Why the heck would be care
about your religion.
Think about it.
Robyn
Resident Witchypoo & EAC Spellcaster
#1557
Yet still, not one of you can define ATHEISM, that is how proud you
really are
Feel Free to Vote for Me - www.feelfree.org.uk
I listen - I create policies - I serve
Classic Authors Appreciation Society - www.bleachboys.com/caas/
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| User: "Robibnikoff" |
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| Title: Re: do atheists hate their Dads ? |
23 May 2004 12:36:29 PM |
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In article <m1l1b0tr3n60hl407q225bv24rtn5d4s2c@4ax.com>, Damian John Paul Brown
says...
On Sun, 23 May 2004 16:08:37 GMT, Robibnikoff <nospam@newsranger.com>
wrote:
snip
Babe, in case you haven't noticed, we're ATHEISTS! Why the heck would be care
about your religion.
Think about it.
Robyn
Resident Witchypoo & EAC Spellcaster
#1557
Yet still, not one of you can define ATHEISM, that is how proud you
really are
Oh *****, I already did so in aother post. But, if you'd like, I do so here
also.
Atheism - Lack of belief in god(s).
Happy now?
Robyn
Resident Witchypoo & EAC Spellcaster
#1557
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| User: "Damian John Paul Brown" |
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| Title: Re: do atheists hate their Dads ? |
23 May 2004 01:02:56 PM |
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On Sun, 23 May 2004 17:36:29 GMT, Robibnikoff <nospam@newsranger.com>
wrote:
In article <m1l1b0tr3n60hl407q225bv24rtn5d4s2c@4ax.com>, Damian John Paul Brown
says...
On Sun, 23 May 2004 16:08:37 GMT, Robibnikoff <nospam@newsranger.com>
wrote:
snip
Babe, in case you haven't noticed, we're ATHEISTS! Why the heck would be care
about your religion.
Think about it.
Robyn
Resident Witchypoo & EAC Spellcaster
#1557
Yet still, not one of you can define ATHEISM, that is how proud you
really are
Oh *****, I already did so in aother post. But, if you'd like, I do so here
also.
Atheism - Lack of belief in god(s).
Happy now?
you forgot, "Includes promoting this sad state of affairs of our
minds"
Robyn
Resident Witchypoo & EAC Spellcaster
#1557
Feel Free to Vote for Me - www.feelfree.org.uk
I listen - I create policies - I serve
Classic Authors Appreciation Society - www.bleachboys.com/caas/
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| User: "Abner Mintz" |
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| Title: Re: do atheists hate their Dads ? |
23 May 2004 04:29:11 PM |
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Damian John Paul Brown <damian@phpexpert.org> wrote:
you forgot, "Includes promoting this sad state of affairs of our
minds"
Not necessary to be an atheist, many atheists don't ... and,
if I must remind you, you posted this to our newsgroup, not
the other way around.
And, of course, you feel free to be insulting and nasty by
claiming that atheism is a 'sad state of affairs'. That's
actually a sad state of affairs itself - when a Christian
decides to get around the 'turn the other cheek' problem
by attacking first.
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| User: "Robibnikoff" |
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| Title: Re: do atheists hate their Dads ? |
23 May 2004 01:36:36 PM |
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In article <ivp1b0tolj09mclcclclhvqk1968bkesuu@4ax.com>, Damian John Paul Brown
says...
On Sun, 23 May 2004 17:36:29 GMT, Robibnikoff <nospam@newsranger.com>
wrote:
In article <m1l1b0tr3n60hl407q225bv24rtn5d4s2c@4ax.com>, Damian John Paul Brown
says...
On Sun, 23 May 2004 16:08:37 GMT, Robibnikoff <nospam@newsranger.com>
wrote:
snip
Babe, in case you haven't noticed, we're ATHEISTS! Why the heck would be care
about your religion.
Think about it.
Robyn
Resident Witchypoo & EAC Spellcaster
#1557
Yet still, not one of you can define ATHEISM, that is how proud you
really are
Oh *****, I already did so in aother post. But, if you'd like, I do so here
also.
Atheism - Lack of belief in god(s).
Happy now?
you forgot, "Includes promoting this sad state of affairs of our
minds"
Don't be so dishonest.
Robyn
Resident Witchypoo & EAC Spellcaster
#1557
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| User: "Carol Lee Smith" |
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| Title: Re: do atheists hate their Dads ? |
29 May 2004 06:07:29 AM |
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Paul Vitz is the author of a book which promotes the idea that atheists
areatheists because of bad experiences they had with their fathers.
http://www.columbia.edu/cu/augustine/arch/frear/vitz.htm
Faith of the Fatherless
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/1890626252/qid=1085828804/sr=1-1/ref=sr_1_1/102-0915634-9360951?v=glance&s=books
At this Amazon web site, you can "look inside" the book.
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| User: "JD" |
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30 May 2004 01:19:06 PM |
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"Carol Lee Smith" <human@csd.uwm.edu> schrieb im Newsbeitrag
news:Pine.OSF.3.96.1040529060311.8004G-100000@alpha1.csd.uwm.edu...
Paul Vitz is the author of a book which promotes the idea that atheists
areatheists because of bad experiences they had with their fathers.
If that were really the case, there'd be a hell of a lot more of us...
JD
P.S. Did the book not mention anything about the "think" gene present in
almost every atheist?
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| User: "BTR1701" |
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29 May 2004 08:30:20 AM |
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In article
<Pine.OSF.3.96.1040529060311.8004G-100000@alpha1.csd.uwm.edu>, Carol
Lee Smith <human@csd.uwm.edu> wrote:
Paul Vitz is the author of a book which promotes the idea that atheists
areatheists because of bad experiences they had with their fathers.
Who would have thought that being abused by one's father would suddenly
cause a person to realize that religion is just a bunch of superstitious
bunk?
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| User: "Thorack Thorack of the" |
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| Title: Re: do atheists hate their Dads ? |
29 May 2004 06:01:22 PM |
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"BTR1701" <BTR1702@ix.netcom.com> wrote in message
news:BTR1702-EADC8A.09303429052004@news.west.earthlink.net...
In article
<Pine.OSF.3.96.1040529060311.8004G-100000@alpha1.csd.uwm.edu>, Carol
Lee Smith <human@csd.uwm.edu> wrote:
Paul Vitz is the author of a book which promotes the idea that atheists
areatheists because of bad experiences they had with their fathers.
Who would have thought that being abused by one's father would suddenly
cause a person to realize that religion is just a bunch of superstitious
bunk?
The paradigm of a father up in the sky satifies our primal desire for a
father figure in our lives. It is a deeply subconscious need. However, what
value does a child have for the father figure in the sky that may in fact
reminds him of his earthly father whose may have abused that child. Its easy
to say that atheism can result from such a thing but the true cause of
atheism is education. It destroys faith in god because through education,
religion religion is relied on less and less to explain much of the
seemingly confusing world we live in. In general, atheists are more willing
and trained to challenge simple notions of how we percieve the world to
operate. They arrive at their beliefs through serious inquiry and a desire
to know what is true. This may come as a surprise to the religious, since
they have been indoctrinated to believe that the bad ol atheist is some sort
of misdirected fool and has strayed far from the truth. These childish
notions only add to the list of 1/2 truths that the religious are expected
to subscribe to blindly.
When it comes to fathers, we survive better if the father remains coupled
with the mother at least long enough to ensure the child and mother can fend
for themselves. Evolution has helped to ensure the survival of children
through pair bonding. Also know as *falling in love*, it is a measureable
cascade of chemical processes that collapes the ego so that the self
disolves in favor of the other and at the same time rewards the couple with
chemical *feel goods* also measureable, while they are in love. After the
normal 2 or 3 year period of chemical addicion, the chemicals wear off and
the man get the desire to sow some more seed. Thats nature for you! So how
to improve on nature? Well, just create an institution of marriage so that
the couple are held together under social and peer pressure and the fear of
failure in the eyes of god so that they *hang out* longer and everyone
wins.....maybe. It certainly works out better for the children unless they
are being abused by a man that wants to sow more seed, and ther will be
illegitimate children running around placing more burden on society for its
needs. But I'm getting off on a tangent.
Thorack
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