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27 Nov 2005 12:37:00 PM |
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Do babies burn in Hell? |
Do babies burn in Hell?
Recently I found a webpage that all believers in
salvation-through-faith should read. It is entitled "Do Babies
Automatically go to Heaven?" The author, K. B. Napier, argues they do
not. His argument is simple: One must be born again to go to heaven;
babies cannot be born again; therefore babies are doomed.
The implications of his argument are so horrible that most Christians
will immediately turn from the suggestion. How could God burn a baby in
hell forever for not believing, even though the baby had never reached
an age where he could understand? What would one ever say to a grieving
mother whose infant was in hell? Napier confronts that problem:
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I can partially understand the desire not to increase the burden of
a bereaved parent, by saying something soothing...but to claim it to be
a part of scriptural teaching is yet another matter, of gravest
importance, because it totally undermines the true gospel...In an
effort to comfort the bereaved they often say things that are
unscriptural. This is particularly so if the dead person is an unborn
or young child. What minister has the courage to teach what scripture
says in such circumstances? I know of none!<<
I struggle to think how Napier might comfort the grieving mother whose
infant is supposedly screaming in hell.
Napier is quick to point out that babies are sinners and that sinners
go to hell. But even he cannot seem to find the words to declare that
babies go to hell. He chooses to concentrate on his conclusion that
they don't go to heaven. But he clearly infers where infants go: They
all burn in eternal conscious torment in hell forever.
But if you reject Napier's teaching, and find that the rule requiring
new birth has an exception in the case of infants--and most Christians
think it does--are there other exceptions? Are the mentally handicapped
also exempted? What about those who haven't heard? What about those who
have reviewed the facts, and decided they cannot believe? If babies can
be exempted from the curse without a new birth, why can't others enjoy
the same exemption? And then why would faith even matter?
If one truly thought that one must believe certain assertions to escape
hell, it seems to me he would end up at the barbaric conclusion that
Napier reaches. What do you think?
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28 Nov 2005 11:39:56 AM |
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"Robibnikoff" <witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote in message
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"Uncle Vic" <address@withheld.com> wrote in message
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Once upon a time in alt.atheism, dear sweet Malcolm
(regniztar@btinternet.com) made the light shine upon us with this:
"Denis Loubet" <dloubet@io.com> wrote
It doesn't matter that the god doesn't exist, if you worship an
imagined being that tortures babies, then you're a monster, pure and
simple.
But if you pull babies to bits with high-power vacuum tubes, that is
OK?
Do you know someone who is doing this?
How do you think most 1st trimester abortions are performed?
I know precisely how 1st trimester abortions are performed, having attended
med school and all. I know for a fact that there are no babies pulled to
bits with high-power vacuum tubes in the process.
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28 Nov 2005 04:32:32 PM |
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on 28 Nov 2005 in alt.atheism, dear sweet Robibnikoff
(witchypoo@broomstick.com) made the light shine upon us with this:
"Uncle Vic" <address@withheld.com> wrote in message
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Once upon a time in alt.atheism, dear sweet Malcolm
(regniztar@btinternet.com) made the light shine upon us with this:
"Denis Loubet" <dloubet@io.com> wrote
It doesn't matter that the god doesn't exist, if you worship an
imagined being that tortures babies, then you're a monster, pure and
simple.
But if you pull babies to bits with high-power vacuum tubes, that is
OK?
Do you know someone who is doing this?
How do you think most 1st trimester abortions are performed?
I was waiting for Malcolm to use the "a" word.
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Uncle Vic
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chrome-plastic doo-dads to add feet to Jesus fish department
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Today's example of Christian Love:
"This is the anger and low class I was speaking of. It's funny how angry
and without moral atheist are wile pretending to have a humanist type
side... It's a facade... Madaline Murry Ohare atleast (sic) admitted to
being a hatefilled (sic) *****! -- Douglas
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| User: "duke" |
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28 Nov 2005 05:16:49 AM |
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On Sun, 27 Nov 2005 13:51:34 -0600, "Denis Loubet" <dloubet@io.com> wrote:
If one truly thought that one must believe certain assertions to escape
hell, it seems to me he would end up at the barbaric conclusion that
Napier reaches. What do you think?
I think if anyone worships a thing that would do such things, they are
monsters.
It doesn't matter that the god doesn't exist,
Of course God exists, loubert. Show me some evidence that he doesn't.
if you worship an imagined
being that tortures babies, then you're a monster, pure and simple.
We call it limbo.
duke
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| User: "Denis Loubet" |
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29 Nov 2005 10:06:30 PM |
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"duke" <duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote in message
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On Sun, 27 Nov 2005 13:51:34 -0600, "Denis Loubet" <dloubet@io.com> wrote:
If one truly thought that one must believe certain assertions to escape
hell, it seems to me he would end up at the barbaric conclusion that
Napier reaches. What do you think?
I think if anyone worships a thing that would do such things, they are
monsters.
It doesn't matter that the god doesn't exist,
Of course God exists, loubert. Show me some evidence that he doesn't.
Good boy! Roll over! Roll over! No, I said roll over. No, I didn't tell you
to lick your balls, I said roll over.
if you worship an imagined
being that tortures babies, then you're a monster, pure and simple.
We call it limbo.
No, you're not getting a biscuit until you roll over. Come on, roll over.
Roll over!
Stupid dog.
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| User: "€€R.L.Measures" |
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28 Nov 2005 10:07:29 AM |
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In article <cmplo1hg76nbp4jb6mnd9lodb1tu4rhnbl@4ax.com>, duke
<duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote:
On Sun, 27 Nov 2005 13:51:34 -0600, "Denis Loubet" <dloubet@io.com> wrote:
If one truly thought that one must believe certain assertions to escape
hell, it seems to me he would end up at the barbaric conclusion that
Napier reaches. What do you think?
I think if anyone worships a thing that would do such things, they are
monsters.
It doesn't matter that the god doesn't exist,
Of course God exists, loubert. Show me some evidence that he doesn't.
if you worship an imagined
being that tortures babies, then you're a monster, pure and simple.
We call it limbo.
• For the devout, Limbo is out.
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| User: "duke" |
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28 Nov 2005 05:47:33 PM |
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On Mon, 28 Nov 2005 08:07:29 -0800, (€€R.L.Measures) wrote:
We call it limbo.
• For the devout, Limbo is out.
Nope, it hasn't gone anywhere's. Before it was a suggested state of existence
for the un-baptized babies that died before birth. Now the Catholic Church just
says that we really don't know how God handles the issue, but that we firmly
believe it is with all love and kindness and happiness.
duke
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| User: "€€R.L.Measures" |
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29 Nov 2005 05:01:18 AM |
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In article <ek5no156b6gdhmss507bhbsps06rd7gejs@4ax.com>, duke
<duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote:
On Mon, 28 Nov 2005 08:07:29 -0800, (€€R.L.Measures) wrote:
We call it limbo.
• For the devout, Limbo is out.
Nope, it hasn't gone anywhere's. Before it was a suggested state of existence
for the un-baptized babies that died before birth. Now the Catholic
Church just
says that we really don't know how God handles the issue, but that we firmly
believe it is with all love and kindness and happiness.
• When I was in high-school, Limbo was absolutely real and the Roman
church taught this with zeal. Those who don't know would do well to
refrain from teaching others. My own opinion is that if God was capable
of giving ol' Lazarus another chance at life, provided he's not getting
too old, he could do the same for the stillborn, the miscarried , and the
baby/fetus who recently died in its mother's womb in the bus-wreck at
Santa Maria -- but I'm only guessing.
cheerz, Duke
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| User: "duke" |
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29 Nov 2005 05:48:29 PM |
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On Tue, 29 Nov 2005 03:01:18 -0800, (€€R.L.Measures) wrote:
• When I was in high-school, Limbo was absolutely real and the Roman
church taught this with zeal.
What do you mean "absolutely real"? It's a belief, and has been nothing more
than that. The RCC has now decided to quit worrying about it and let God take
care of them his own way.
Those who don't know would do well to
refrain from teaching others.
That's why I'm teaching you now.
My own opinion is that if God was capable
of giving ol' Lazarus another chance at life, provided he's not getting
too old, he could do the same for the stillborn, the miscarried , and the
baby/fetus who recently died in its mother's womb in the bus-wreck at
Santa Maria -- but I'm only guessing.
If that is his plan, absolutely.
cheerz, Duke
Back at you.
duke
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| User: "€€R.L.Measures" |
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29 Nov 2005 06:25:23 PM |
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In article <62qpo1h1begu2tlrg2ga09bv8nosmg6lne@4ax.com>, duke
<duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote:
On Tue, 29 Nov 2005 03:01:18 -0800, (€€R.L.Measures) wrote:
• When I was in high-school, Limbo was absolutely real and the Roman
church taught this with zeal.
What do you mean "absolutely real"?
• It means it was present as reality, not some dude's opinion.
It's a belief, and has been nothing more
than that. The RCC has now decided to quit worrying about it and let God take
care of them his own way.
• They guessed about everything.
Those who don't know would do well to
refrain from teaching others.
That's why I'm teaching you now.
• Is what you are teaching true, or is it just hear-say?
My own opinion is that if God was capable
of giving ol' Lazarus another chance at life, provided he's not getting
too old, he could do the same for the stillborn, the miscarried , and the
baby/fetus who recently died in its mother's womb in the bus-wreck at
Santa Maria -- but I'm only guessing.
If that is his plan, absolutely.
• What does God's Holy Church teach about the fate of stillborns and
those miscarried?
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| User: "Paul Duca" |
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29 Nov 2005 12:19:54 AM |
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in article ek5no156b6gdhmss507bhbsps06rd7gejs@4ax.com, duke at
duckgumbo32@cox.net wrote on 11/28/05 6:47 PM:
On Mon, 28 Nov 2005 08:07:29 -0800, (€€R.L.Measures) wrote:
We call it limbo.
• For the devout, Limbo is out.
Nope, it hasn't gone anywhere's. Before it was a suggested state of existence
for the un-baptized babies that died before birth. Now the Catholic Church
just
says that we really don't know how God handles the issue, but that we firmly
believe it is with all love and kindness and happiness.
You know...all the things Duke express here in the newsgroup.
Paul
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| User: "Bill Gamelson" |
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27 Nov 2005 12:52:37 PM |
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"Truth Hunter" <hunter1234222@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1133116620.693516.201350@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
Do babies burn in Hell?
Recently I found a webpage that all believers in
salvation-through-faith should read. It is entitled "Do Babies
Automatically go to Heaven?" The author, K. B. Napier, argues they do
not. His argument is simple: One must be born again to go to heaven;
babies cannot be born again; therefore babies are doomed.
No, not at all. I've read it before but I couldn't find it now, but babies
automatically go to Heaven because they have not reached the age of
reasoning. This is also a theory I have about people who have never even
been told of the Bible or God's son, therefore they have never rejected
Jesus.
The implications of his argument are so horrible that most Christians
will immediately turn from the suggestion. How could God burn a baby in
hell forever for not believing, even though the baby had never reached
an age where he could understand? What would one ever say to a grieving
mother whose infant was in hell? Napier confronts that problem:
I'll find it somewhere and post it.
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| User: "Therion Ware" |
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27 Nov 2005 05:32:30 PM |
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On Sun, 27 Nov 2005 12:52:37 -0600 in alt.atheism, Bill Gamelson
("Bill Gamelson" <bill_gamelson@yahoo.com>) said, directing the reply
to alt.atheism
"Truth Hunter" <hunter1234222@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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Do babies burn in Hell?
Recently I found a webpage that all believers in
salvation-through-faith should read. It is entitled "Do Babies
Automatically go to Heaven?" The author, K. B. Napier, argues they do
not. His argument is simple: One must be born again to go to heaven;
babies cannot be born again; therefore babies are doomed.
No, not at all. I've read it before but I couldn't find it now, but babies
automatically go to Heaven because they have not reached the age of
reasoning.
Yes, it's not an uncommon theory though that said I've never seen a
Biblical justification for it. Do you know if there is one?
This is also a theory I have about people who have never even
been told of the Bible or God's son, therefore they have never rejected
Jesus.
Which suggests that the EAC could swell the ranks of the legions of
the damned without too much in the way of effort....
<Ahahahahaahahahahahah>
The implications of his argument are so horrible that most Christians
will immediately turn from the suggestion. How could God burn a baby in
hell forever for not believing, even though the baby had never reached
an age where he could understand? What would one ever say to a grieving
mother whose infant was in hell? Napier confronts that problem:
I'll find it somewhere and post it.
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| User: "The_Sage" |
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28 Nov 2005 10:16:39 PM |
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Reply to article by: "Bill Gamelson" <bill_gamelson@yahoo.com>
Date written: Sun, 27 Nov 2005 12:52:37 -0600
MsgID:<4gnif.43359$2k5.31571@dukeread09>
Recently I found a webpage that all believers in
salvation-through-faith should read. It is entitled "Do Babies
Automatically go to Heaven?" The author, K. B. Napier, argues they do
not. His argument is simple: One must be born again to go to heaven;
babies cannot be born again; therefore babies are doomed.
No, not at all. I've read it before but I couldn't find it now, but babies
automatically go to Heaven because they have not reached the age of
reasoning.
There is no doctrine of "the age of reasoning" in the Bible. The Bible is
absolute: if you are not born again, you cannot enter into Heaven.
This is also a theory I have about people who have never even
been told of the Bible or God's son, therefore they have never rejected
Jesus.
The prerequisite for entering Heaven isn't acceptance of Jesus, but being born
again as well.
The Sage
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My Home Page : http://members.cox.net/the.sage
"Careful when you cast your devil out of you lest you cast
out the best thing in you." -Nietzsche
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| User: "bob young" |
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30 Nov 2005 10:49:21 PM |
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The_Sage wrote:
Reply to article by: "Bill Gamelson" <bill_gamelson@yahoo.com>
Date written: Sun, 27 Nov 2005 12:52:37 -0600
MsgID:<4gnif.43359$2k5.31571@dukeread09>
Recently I found a webpage that all believers in
salvation-through-faith should read. It is entitled "Do Babies
Automatically go to Heaven?" The author, K. B. Napier, argues they do
not. His argument is simple: One must be born again to go to heaven;
babies cannot be born again; therefore babies are doomed.
No, not at all. I've read it before but I couldn't find it now, but babies
automatically go to Heaven because they have not reached the age of
reasoning.
There is no doctrine of "the age of reasoning" in the Bible. The Bible is
absolute: if you are not born again, you cannot enter into Heaven.
This is also a theory I have about people who have never even
been told of the Bible or God's son, therefore they have never rejected
Jesus.
The prerequisite for entering Heaven isn't acceptance of Jesus, but being born
again as well.
Being borne again is primitive nonsense,
as for heaven and Hell read below.
Someone in heaven heard that his best friend down on earth had just passed away.
ÒOh I'm so looking forward to seeing him againÓ the man said. ÒSorryÓ said God,
ÒBut he will not be coming here because he has been a little bit more sinful than
you, so your friend, I have to tell you, will be going to the other place called
HellÓ.
So here's this man, sitting for eternity in paradise next to his loving God,
whilst his friend, who had been a little bit more sinful than he, is about to
roast for eternity on burning coals in a place called Hell.
Is it conceivable that anything could be more banal, juvenile, or crassly stupid?
Bob
Humanist Brit.
Hong Kong
The Sage
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01 Dec 2005 07:02:55 PM |
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Reply to article by: bob young <alaspectrum@netvigator.com>
Date written: 30 Nov 2005 22:49:21 -0600
MsgID:<438E806D.57DC6C83@netvigator.com>
Recently I found a webpage that all believers in
salvation-through-faith should read. It is entitled "Do Babies
Automatically go to Heaven?" The author, K. B. Napier, argues they do
not. His argument is simple: One must be born again to go to heaven;
babies cannot be born again; therefore babies are doomed.
No, not at all. I've read it before but I couldn't find it now, but babies
automatically go to Heaven because they have not reached the age of
reasoning.
There is no doctrine of "the age of reasoning" in the Bible. The Bible is
absolute: if you are not born again, you cannot enter into Heaven.
This is also a theory I have about people who have never even
been told of the Bible or God's son, therefore they have never rejected
Jesus.
The prerequisite for entering Heaven isn't acceptance of Jesus, but being born
again as well.
Being borne again is primitive nonsense,
Of course it is, but that doesn't change the fact that an "age of reasoning"
exists in the Bible, and that is what your argument rests upon.
as for heaven and Hell read below.
Someone in heaven heard that his best friend down on earth had just passed away.
ÒOh I'm so looking forward to seeing him againÓ the man said. ÒSorryÓ said God,
ÒBut he will not be coming here because he has been a little bit more sinful than
you, so your friend, I have to tell you, will be going to the other place called
HellÓ.
So here's this man, sitting for eternity in paradise next to his loving God,
whilst his friend, who had been a little bit more sinful than he, is about to
roast for eternity on burning coals in a place called Hell.
Is it conceivable that anything could be more banal, juvenile, or crassly stupid?
That is good but not very effective. You have to remember to think like a
Christian...uh, I mean know what a Christian believes. The problem with your
example is that the vast majority of Christians will say that the above example
is incorrect since it isn't how much you sin that determines whether you go to
Heaven or Hell but whether you accept Jesus as your savior. Another way of
looking at this could be...
A religiously uncommitted but very moral and kind 10 year old child (who would
be above the initial age of reason) dies. At the same time, a vile and criminal
40 year old Hell's Angel dies, but two minutes before he dies, he accepts Christ
as his savior. So the innocent little child who never did anyone wrong goes to
Hell while a man who pillaged and plundered and raped and murdered all his life
goes to Heaven. Isn't the Christian's God's idea of justice a wonderful thing to
behold?
The Sage
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My Home Page : http://members.cox.net/the.sage
"Careful when you cast your devil out of you lest you cast
out the best thing in you." -Nietzsche
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| User: "bob young" |
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01 Dec 2005 08:07:03 PM |
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The_Sage wrote:
Reply to article by: bob young <alaspectrum@netvigator.com>
Date written: 30 Nov 2005 22:49:21 -0600
MsgID:<438E806D.57DC6C83@netvigator.com>
Recently I found a webpage that all believers in
salvation-through-faith should read. It is entitled "Do Babies
Automatically go to Heaven?" The author, K. B. Napier, argues they do
not. His argument is simple: One must be born again to go to heaven;
babies cannot be born again; therefore babies are doomed.
No, not at all. I've read it before but I couldn't find it now, but babies
automatically go to Heaven because they have not reached the age of
reasoning.
There is no doctrine of "the age of reasoning" in the Bible. The Bible is
absolute: if you are not born again, you cannot enter into Heaven.
This is also a theory I have about people who have never even
been told of the Bible or God's son, therefore they have never rejected
Jesus.
The prerequisite for entering Heaven isn't acceptance of Jesus, but being born
again as well.
Being borne again is primitive nonsense,
Of course it is, but that doesn't change the fact that an "age of reasoning"
exists in the Bible, and that is what your argument rests upon.
as for heaven and Hell read below.
Someone in heaven heard that his best friend down on earth had just passed away.
ÒOh I'm so looking forward to seeing him againÓ the man said. ÒSorryÓ said God,
ÒBut he will not be coming here because he has been a little bit more sinful than
you, so your friend, I have to tell you, will be going to the other place called
HellÓ.
So here's this man, sitting for eternity in paradise next to his loving God,
whilst his friend, who had been a little bit more sinful than he, is about to
roast for eternity on burning coals in a place called Hell.
Is it conceivable that anything could be more banal, juvenile, or crassly stupid?
That is good but not very effective. You have to remember to think like a
Christian...uh, I mean know what a Christian believes. The problem with your
example is that the vast majority of Christians will say that the above example
is incorrect since it isn't how much you sin that determines whether you go to
Heaven or Hell but whether you accept Jesus as your savior. Another way of
looking at this could be...
Yes, amnd as taught by just one faction of wat is a very fragmented so called
'beleif'.
My grandpa was taught a totally different meaning about heaven and hell, the simple
one 'you do something bad and you go to Hades' Very banal.
A religiously uncommitted but very moral and kind 10 year old child (who would
be above the initial age of reason) dies. At the same time, a vile and criminal
40 year old Hell's Angel dies, but two minutes before he dies, he accepts Christ
as his savior. So the innocent little child who never did anyone wrong goes to
Hell while a man who pillaged and plundered and raped and murdered all his life
goes to Heaven. Isn't the Christian's God's idea of justice a wonderful thing to
behold?
It dont get more rediculous than that, I agree !
Bob
The Sage
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My Home Page : http://members.cox.net/the.sage
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28 Nov 2005 06:35:01 AM |
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Bill Gamelson wrote:
"Truth Hunter" <hunter1234222@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1133116620.693516.201350@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
Do babies burn in Hell?
Recently I found a webpage that all believers in
salvation-through-faith should read. It is entitled "Do Babies
Automatically go to Heaven?" The author, K. B. Napier, argues they do
not. His argument is simple: One must be born again to go to heaven;
babies cannot be born again; therefore babies are doomed.
No, not at all. I've read it before but I couldn't find it now, but babies
automatically go to Heaven because they have not reached the age of
reasoning. This is also a theory I have about people who have never even
been told of the Bible or God's son, therefore they have never rejected
Jesus.
HEAVEN AND HELL
Someone in heaven heard that his best friend down on earth had just passed
away.
ÒOh I'm so looking forward to seeing him againÓ the man said. ÒSorryÓ said
God, ÒBut he will not be coming here because he has been a little bit more
sinful than you, so your friend, I have to tell you, will be going to the
other place called HellÓ.
So here's this man, sitting for eternity in paradise next to his loving God,
whilst his friend, who had been a little bit more sinful than he, is about to
roast for eternity on burning coals in a place called Hell.
Is it conceivable that anything could be more banal, juvenile, or crassly
stupid?
Bob
Humanist Brit.
Hong Kong
The implications of his argument are so horrible that most Christians
will immediately turn from the suggestion. How could God burn a baby in
hell forever for not believing, even though the baby had never reached
an age where he could understand? What would one ever say to a grieving
mother whose infant was in hell? Napier confronts that problem:
I'll find it somewhere and post it.
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| User: "satyr" |
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27 Nov 2005 05:05:50 PM |
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On Sun, 27 Nov 2005 12:52:37 -0600, "Bill Gamelson"
<bill_gamelson@yahoo.com> wrote:
"Truth Hunter" <hunter1234222@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1133116620.693516.201350@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
Do babies burn in Hell?
Recently I found a webpage that all believers in
salvation-through-faith should read. It is entitled "Do Babies
Automatically go to Heaven?" The author, K. B. Napier, argues they do
not. His argument is simple: One must be born again to go to heaven;
babies cannot be born again; therefore babies are doomed.
No, not at all. I've read it before but I couldn't find it now, but babies
automatically go to Heaven because they have not reached the age of
reasoning. This is also a theory I have about people who have never even
been told of the Bible or God's son, therefore they have never rejected
Jesus.
Please do not use the word "theory" in relation to your superstitious
beliefs.
--
satyr #1953
Chairman, EAC Church Taxation Subcommittee
Director, Gideon Bible Alternative Fuel Project
Supervisor, EAC Fossil Casting Lab
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| User: "CB" |
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27 Nov 2005 10:03:21 PM |
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On Sun, 27 Nov 2005 12:52:37 -0600, "Bill Gamelson" <bill_gamelson@yahoo.com>
wrote:
"Truth Hunter" <hunter1234222@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1133116620.693516.201350@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
Do babies burn in Hell?
Recently I found a webpage that all believers in
salvation-through-faith should read. It is entitled "Do Babies
Automatically go to Heaven?" The author, K. B. Napier, argues they do
not. His argument is simple: One must be born again to go to heaven;
babies cannot be born again; therefore babies are doomed.
No, not at all. I've read it before but I couldn't find it now, but babies
automatically go to Heaven because they have not reached the age of
reasoning. This is also a theory I have about people who have never even
been told of the Bible or God's son, therefore they have never rejected
Jesus.
Are you catholic?
Why the rush to baptize an infant that cannot understand, believe, repent nor
confess? There can only be one answer; the fear the child may die & go to
hell.
I'm glad I'm not catholic.
"Life may not be the party we hoped for, but while we are here we might as well dance."
Author Unknown
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| User: "bam" |
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28 Nov 2005 12:42:28 AM |
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"CB" <country2000@hotmail.com> wrote
Are you catholic?
Why the rush to baptize an infant that cannot understand, believe, repent
nor
confess? There can only be one answer; the fear the child may die & go to
hell.
I'm glad I'm not catholic.
And what's the critical point in a person's life where he leaves this
salvific infantile state and becomes responsible for his sins? Isn't the
risk the same at some point? Where is that point exaclty? (according to you
and the Campbellites?)
Any bets I don't get a straight answer?
BAM
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| User: "Jos Flachs" |
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| Title: Re: Do babies burn in Hell? |
28 Nov 2005 07:10:59 AM |
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On Mon, 28 Nov 2005 01:42:28 -0500, "bam"
<mcca5761@bellsouthblahblah.net> wrote:
I'm glad I'm not catholic.
And what's the critical point in a person's life where he leaves this
salvific infantile state and becomes responsible for his sins? Isn't the
risk the same at some point? Where is that point exaclty? (according to you
and the Campbellites?)
Ask a Campbellite, whoever that might be.
Any bets I don't get a straight answer?
I don't know. I ain't straight, guv. But I can give you a gay answer.
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| User: "bob young" |
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| Title: Re: Do babies burn in Hell? |
28 Nov 2005 06:39:02 AM |
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bam wrote:
"CB" <country2000@hotmail.com> wrote
Are you catholic?
Why the rush to baptize an infant that cannot understand, believe, repent
nor
confess? There can only be one answer; the fear the child may die & go to
hell.
I'm glad I'm not catholic.
And what's the critical point in a person's life where he leaves this
salvific infantile state and becomes responsible for his sins? Isn't the
risk the same at some point? Where is that point exaclty? (according to you
and the Campbellites?)
Any bets I don't get a straight answer?
BAM
I'd love to be a child again, they at least are free from religious
supersition and dogma [until they grow up and get brainwashed].
The criminals are the brainwashers of course, whether they be Muslim,
Christian, Hindu, Taoist, or whatever.
Mind you they all suffered the same fate when they were kids.
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| User: "bam" |
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| Title: Re: Do babies burn in Hell? |
28 Nov 2005 06:05:56 PM |
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"bob young" <alaspectrum@netvigator.com> wrote in message
news:438AFA20.3578A419@netvigator.com...
bam wrote:
"CB" <country2000@hotmail.com> wrote
Are you catholic?
Why the rush to baptize an infant that cannot understand, believe,
repent
nor
confess? There can only be one answer; the fear the child may die & go
to
hell.
I'm glad I'm not catholic.
And what's the critical point in a person's life where he leaves this
salvific infantile state and becomes responsible for his sins? Isn't the
risk the same at some point? Where is that point exaclty? (according to
you
and the Campbellites?)
Any bets I don't get a straight answer?
BAM
I'd love to be a child again, they at least are free from religious
supersition and dogma [until they grow up and get brainwashed].
The criminals are the brainwashers of course, whether they be Muslim,
Christian, Hindu, Taoist, or whatever.
Mind you they all suffered the same fate when they were kids.
Could you be more pointless?
BAM
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| User: "bob young" |
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| Title: Re: Do babies burn in Hell? |
29 Nov 2005 09:17:02 PM |
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bam wrote:
"bob young" <alaspectrum@netvigator.com> wrote in message
news:438AFA20.3578A419@netvigator.com...
bam wrote:
"CB" <country2000@hotmail.com> wrote
Are you catholic?
Why the rush to baptize an infant that cannot understand, believe,
repent
nor
confess? There can only be one answer; the fear the child may die & go
to
hell.
I'm glad I'm not catholic.
And what's the critical point in a person's life where he leaves this
salvific infantile state and becomes responsible for his sins? Isn't the
risk the same at some point? Where is that point exaclty? (according to
you
and the Campbellites?)
Any bets I don't get a straight answer?
BAM
I'd love to be a child again, they at least are free from religious
supersition and dogma [until they grow up and get brainwashed].
The criminals are the brainwashers of course, whether they be Muslim,
Christian, Hindu, Taoist, or whatever.
Mind you they all suffered the same fate when they were kids.
Could you be more pointless?
I could point out that you are obviously one of those brainwashed kids.
That you cannot see this is not my fault.
Sending snide remarks is not going to achieve anything
BAM
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| User: "bam" |
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| Title: Re: Do babies burn in Hell? |
29 Nov 2005 11:08:28 PM |
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"bob young" <alaspectrum@netvigator.com> wrote in message
news:438D1938.845EF7C1@netvigator.com...
bam wrote:
"bob young" <alaspectrum@netvigator.com> wrote in message
news:438AFA20.3578A419@netvigator.com...
bam wrote:
"CB" <country2000@hotmail.com> wrote
Are you catholic?
Why the rush to baptize an infant that cannot understand, believe,
repent
nor
confess? There can only be one answer; the fear the child may die &
go
to
hell.
I'm glad I'm not catholic.
And what's the critical point in a person's life where he leaves this
salvific infantile state and becomes responsible for his sins? Isn't
the
risk the same at some point? Where is that point exaclty? (according
to
you
and the Campbellites?)
Any bets I don't get a straight answer?
BAM
I'd love to be a child again, they at least are free from religious
supersition and dogma [until they grow up and get brainwashed].
The criminals are the brainwashers of course, whether they be Muslim,
Christian, Hindu, Taoist, or whatever.
Mind you they all suffered the same fate when they were kids.
Could you be more pointless?
I could point out that you are obviously one of those brainwashed kids.
That you cannot see this is not my fault.
Sending snide remarks is not going to achieve anything
Practice what you preach.
BAM
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| User: "bob young" |
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| Title: Re: Do babies burn in Hell? |
30 Nov 2005 10:47:23 PM |
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bam wrote:
"bob young" <alaspectrum@netvigator.com> wrote in message
news:438D1938.845EF7C1@netvigator.com...
bam wrote:
"bob young" <alaspectrum@netvigator.com> wrote in message
news:438AFA20.3578A419@netvigator.com...
bam wrote:
"CB" <country2000@hotmail.com> wrote
Are you catholic?
Why the rush to baptize an infant that cannot understand, believe,
repent
nor
confess? There can only be one answer; the fear the child may die &
go
to
hell.
I'm glad I'm not catholic.
And what's the critical point in a person's life where he leaves this
salvific infantile state and becomes responsible for his sins? Isn't
the
risk the same at some point? Where is that point exaclty? (according
to
you
and the Campbellites?)
Any bets I don't get a straight answer?
BAM
I'd love to be a child again, they at least are free from religious
supersition and dogma [until they grow up and get brainwashed].
The criminals are the brainwashers of course, whether they be Muslim,
Christian, Hindu, Taoist, or whatever.
Mind you they all suffered the same fate when they were kids.
Could you be more pointless?
I could point out that you are obviously one of those brainwashed kids.
That you cannot see this is not my fault.
Sending snide remarks is not going to achieve anything
Practice what you preach.
I just did
[Sending snide remarks is not going to achieve anything]
BAM
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| User: "bam" |
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| Title: Re: Do babies burn in Hell? |
30 Nov 2005 11:12:28 PM |
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"bob young" <alaspectrum@netvigator.com> wrote in message
news:438E7FF7.94425639@netvigator.com...
bam wrote:
"bob young" <alaspectrum@netvigator.com> wrote in message
news:438D1938.845EF7C1@netvigator.com...
bam wrote:
"bob young" <alaspectrum@netvigator.com> wrote in message
news:438AFA20.3578A419@netvigator.com...
bam wrote:
"CB" <country2000@hotmail.com> wrote
Are you catholic?
Why the rush to baptize an infant that cannot understand,
believe,
repent
nor
confess? There can only be one answer; the fear the child may die
&
go
to
hell.
I'm glad I'm not catholic.
And what's the critical point in a person's life where he leaves
this
salvific infantile state and becomes responsible for his sins?
Isn't
the
risk the same at some point? Where is that point exaclty?
(according
to
you
and the Campbellites?)
Any bets I don't get a straight answer?
BAM
I'd love to be a child again, they at least are free from religious
supersition and dogma [until they grow up and get brainwashed].
The criminals are the brainwashers of course, whether they be
Muslim,
Christian, Hindu, Taoist, or whatever.
Mind you they all suffered the same fate when they were kids.
Could you be more pointless?
I could point out that you are obviously one of those brainwashed kids.
That you cannot see this is not my fault.
Sending snide remarks is not going to achieve anything
Practice what you preach.
I just did
[Sending snide remarks is not going to achieve anything]
Yawn.......
What else ya got?
BAM
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| User: "thomas p" |
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| Title: Re: Do babies burn in Hell? |
01 Dec 2005 07:10:39 AM |
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On Thu, 1 Dec 2005 00:12:28 -0500, "bam"
<mcca5761@bellsouthblahblah.net> wrote:
"bob young" <alaspectrum@netvigator.com> wrote in message
news:438E7FF7.94425639@netvigator.com...
bam wrote:
"bob young" <alaspectrum@netvigator.com> wrote in message
news:438D1938.845EF7C1@netvigator.com...
snip
Sending snide remarks is not going to achieve anything
Practice what you preach.
I just did
[Sending snide remarks is not going to achieve anything]
Yawn.......
What else ya got?
BAM
An ironic response considering who it is coming from? What have you
offered besides baseless claims?
Thomas P.
"Life must be lived forwards but understood backwards"
(Kierkegaard)
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| User: "bam" |
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| Title: Re: Do babies burn in Hell? |
01 Dec 2005 12:43:39 PM |
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"thomas p" <tonyofbexarnospam@yahoo.dk> wrote in message
news:gepto1dh1p3ojin2kkvd593q0isih4uphv@4ax.com...
On Thu, 1 Dec 2005 00:12:28 -0500, "bam"
<mcca5761@bellsouthblahblah.net> wrote:
"bob young" <alaspectrum@netvigator.com> wrote in message
news:438E7FF7.94425639@netvigator.com...
bam wrote:
"bob young" <alaspectrum@netvigator.com> wrote in message
news:438D1938.845EF7C1@netvigator.com...
snip
Sending snide remarks is not going to achieve anything
Practice what you preach.
I just did
[Sending snide remarks is not going to achieve anything]
Yawn.......
What else ya got?
BAM
An ironic response considering who it is coming from? What have you
offered besides baseless claims?
Can you structure a question without a planted axiom?
BAM
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| User: "thomas p" |
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| Title: Re: Do babies burn in Hell? |
01 Dec 2005 05:39:21 PM |
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On Thu, 1 Dec 2005 13:43:39 -0500, "bam"
<mcca5761@bellsouthblahblah.net> wrote:
"thomas p" <tonyofbexarnospam@yahoo.dk> wrote in message
news:gepto1dh1p3ojin2kkvd593q0isih4uphv@4ax.com...
On Thu, 1 Dec 2005 00:12:28 -0500, "bam"
<mcca5761@bellsouthblahblah.net> wrote:
"bob young" <alaspectrum@netvigator.com> wrote in message
news:438E7FF7.94425639@netvigator.com...
bam wrote:
"bob young" <alaspectrum@netvigator.com> wrote in message
news:438D1938.845EF7C1@netvigator.com...
snip
Sending snide remarks is not going to achieve anything
Practice what you preach.
I just did
[Sending snide remarks is not going to achieve anything]
Yawn.......
What else ya got?
BAM
An ironic response considering who it is coming from? What have you
offered besides baseless claims?
Can you structure a question without a planted axiom?
BAM
Your response is pure babble. You are consistent. Have a nice day.
Thomas P.
"Life must be lived forwards but understood backwards"
(Kierkegaard)
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