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"Truth Hunter" |
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27 Nov 2005 12:37:00 PM |
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Do babies burn in Hell? |
Do babies burn in Hell?
Recently I found a webpage that all believers in
salvation-through-faith should read. It is entitled "Do Babies
Automatically go to Heaven?" The author, K. B. Napier, argues they do
not. His argument is simple: One must be born again to go to heaven;
babies cannot be born again; therefore babies are doomed.
The implications of his argument are so horrible that most Christians
will immediately turn from the suggestion. How could God burn a baby in
hell forever for not believing, even though the baby had never reached
an age where he could understand? What would one ever say to a grieving
mother whose infant was in hell? Napier confronts that problem:
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I can partially understand the desire not to increase the burden of
a bereaved parent, by saying something soothing...but to claim it to be
a part of scriptural teaching is yet another matter, of gravest
importance, because it totally undermines the true gospel...In an
effort to comfort the bereaved they often say things that are
unscriptural. This is particularly so if the dead person is an unborn
or young child. What minister has the courage to teach what scripture
says in such circumstances? I know of none!<<
I struggle to think how Napier might comfort the grieving mother whose
infant is supposedly screaming in hell.
Napier is quick to point out that babies are sinners and that sinners
go to hell. But even he cannot seem to find the words to declare that
babies go to hell. He chooses to concentrate on his conclusion that
they don't go to heaven. But he clearly infers where infants go: They
all burn in eternal conscious torment in hell forever.
But if you reject Napier's teaching, and find that the rule requiring
new birth has an exception in the case of infants--and most Christians
think it does--are there other exceptions? Are the mentally handicapped
also exempted? What about those who haven't heard? What about those who
have reviewed the facts, and decided they cannot believe? If babies can
be exempted from the curse without a new birth, why can't others enjoy
the same exemption? And then why would faith even matter?
If one truly thought that one must believe certain assertions to escape
hell, it seems to me he would end up at the barbaric conclusion that
Napier reaches. What do you think?
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01 Dec 2005 08:40:11 PM |
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"thomas p" <tonyofbexarnospam@yahoo.dk> wrote in message
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On Thu, 1 Dec 2005 13:43:39 -0500, "bam"
<mcca5761@bellsouthblahblah.net> wrote:
"thomas p" <tonyofbexarnospam@yahoo.dk> wrote in message
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On Thu, 1 Dec 2005 00:12:28 -0500, "bam"
<mcca5761@bellsouthblahblah.net> wrote:
"bob young" <alaspectrum@netvigator.com> wrote in message
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bam wrote:
"bob young" <alaspectrum@netvigator.com> wrote in message
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snip
Sending snide remarks is not going to achieve anything
Practice what you preach.
I just did
[Sending snide remarks is not going to achieve anything]
Yawn.......
What else ya got?
BAM
An ironic response considering who it is coming from? What have you
offered besides baseless claims?
Can you structure a question without a planted axiom?
BAM
Your response is pure babble. You are consistent. Have a nice day.
Some advice - don't parade your ignorance.
BAM
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| User: "Uncle Vic" |
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02 Dec 2005 10:08:09 AM |
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on 01 Dec 2005 in alt.atheism, dear sweet bam
(mcca5761@bellsouthblahblah.net) made the light shine upon us with this:
Yawn.......
What else ya got?
BAM
An ironic response considering who it is coming from? What have you
offered besides baseless claims?
Can you structure a question without a planted axiom?
BAM
Your response is pure babble. You are consistent. Have a nice day.
Some advice - don't parade your ignorance.
BAM
Some more advice. Put the ***** back in your mouth and shut up.
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chrome-plastic doo-dads to add feet to Jesus fish department
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Today's example of Christian Love:
"This is the anger and low class I was speaking of. It's funny how angry
and without moral atheist are wile pretending to have a humanist type
side... It's a facade... Madaline Murry Ohare atleast (sic) admitted to
being a hatefilled (sic) *****! -- Douglas
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| User: "Prometea" |
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04 Dec 2005 07:50:35 PM |
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| User: "R.L.Measures" |
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02 Dec 2005 11:24:53 AM |
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In article <Xns9720531153FFFvicman@127.0.0.1>, Uncle Vic
<address@withheld.com> wrote:
on 01 Dec 2005 in alt.atheism, dear sweet bam
(mcca5761@bellsouthblahblah.net) made the light shine upon us with this:
Yawn.......
What else ya got?
BAM
An ironic response considering who it is coming from? What have you
offered besides baseless claims?
Can you structure a question without a planted axiom?
BAM
Your response is pure babble. You are consistent. Have a nice day.
Some advice - don't parade your ignorance.
BAM
Some more advice. Put the ***** back in your mouth and shut up.
** Vic plays one Ad Hominem Card. Congrats, B.
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| User: "Uncle Vic" |
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02 Dec 2005 12:08:37 PM |
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on 02 Dec 2005 in alt.atheism, dear sweet R.L.Measures (r_@somis.org)
made the light shine upon us with this:
In article <Xns9720531153FFFvicman@127.0.0.1>, Uncle Vic
<address@withheld.com> wrote:
on 01 Dec 2005 in alt.atheism, dear sweet bam
(mcca5761@bellsouthblahblah.net) made the light shine upon us with
this:
Yawn.......
What else ya got?
BAM
An ironic response considering who it is coming from? What have
you offered besides baseless claims?
Can you structure a question without a planted axiom?
BAM
Your response is pure babble. You are consistent. Have a nice
day.
Some advice - don't parade your ignorance.
BAM
Some more advice. Put the ***** back in your mouth and shut up.
** Vic plays one Ad Hominem Card. Congrats, B.
That's OK, I still have my Get Out Of Hell Free card.
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Uncle Vic
aa#2011
Supervisor, EAC Department of little adhesive-backed "L" shaped
chrome-plastic doo-dads to add feet to Jesus fish department
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Today's example of Christian Love:
"This is the anger and low class I was speaking of. It's funny how angry
and without moral atheist are wile pretending to have a humanist type
side... It's a facade... Madaline Murry Ohare atleast (sic) admitted to
being a hatefilled (sic) *****! -- Douglas
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| User: "R.L.Measures" |
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01 Dec 2005 09:32:57 AM |
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In article <gepto1dh1p3ojin2kkvd593q0isih4uphv@4ax.com>, thomas p
<tonyofbexarnospam@yahoo.dk> wrote:
On Thu, 1 Dec 2005 00:12:28 -0500, "bam"
<mcca5761@bellsouthblahblah.net> wrote:
"bob young" <alaspectrum@netvigator.com> wrote in message
news:438E7FF7.94425639@netvigator.com...
bam wrote:
"bob young" <alaspectrum@netvigator.com> wrote in message
news:438D1938.845EF7C1@netvigator.com...
snip
Sending snide remarks is not going to achieve anything
Practice what you preach.
I just did
[Sending snide remarks is not going to achieve anything]
Yawn.......
What else ya got?
BAM
An ironic response considering who it is coming from? What have you
offered besides baseless claims?
Considering the subject, at this point in time all claims are
unsubstantiated.
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| User: "R.L.Measures" |
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28 Nov 2005 03:46:43 AM |
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In article <c80lo1p2rqprqv3gia4e8bemgqaedrh2r2@4ax.com>, CB
<country2000@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Sun, 27 Nov 2005 12:52:37 -0600, "Bill Gamelson" <bill_gamelson@yahoo.com>
wrote:
"Truth Hunter" <hunter1234222@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1133116620.693516.201350@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
Do babies burn in Hell?
Recently I found a webpage that all believers in
salvation-through-faith should read. It is entitled "Do Babies
Automatically go to Heaven?" The author, K. B. Napier, argues they do
not. His argument is simple: One must be born again to go to heaven;
babies cannot be born again; therefore babies are doomed.
No, not at all. I've read it before but I couldn't find it now, but babies
automatically go to Heaven because they have not reached the age of
reasoning. This is also a theory I have about people who have never even
been told of the Bible or God's son, therefore they have never rejected
Jesus.
Are you catholic?
Why the rush to baptize an infant that cannot understand, believe, repent nor
confess? ...
Non-hetero priests like to check out the baby boys?
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| User: "Paul Duca" |
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28 Nov 2005 11:57:18 PM |
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in article c80lo1p2rqprqv3gia4e8bemgqaedrh2r2@4ax.com, CB at
country2000@hotmail.com wrote on 11/27/05 11:03 PM:
On Sun, 27 Nov 2005 12:52:37 -0600, "Bill Gamelson" <bill_gamelson@yahoo.com>
wrote:
"Truth Hunter" <hunter1234222@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1133116620.693516.201350@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
Do babies burn in Hell?
Recently I found a webpage that all believers in
salvation-through-faith should read. It is entitled "Do Babies
Automatically go to Heaven?" The author, K. B. Napier, argues they do
not. His argument is simple: One must be born again to go to heaven;
babies cannot be born again; therefore babies are doomed.
No, not at all. I've read it before but I couldn't find it now, but babies
automatically go to Heaven because they have not reached the age of
reasoning. This is also a theory I have about people who have never even
been told of the Bible or God's son, therefore they have never rejected
Jesus.
Are you catholic?
Why the rush to baptize an infant that cannot understand, believe, repent nor
confess? There can only be one answer; the fear the child may die & go to
hell.
I'm glad I'm not catholic.
But not that women won't put out for me.
"Life may not be the party we hoped for, but while we are here we might as
well dance."
Author Unknown
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| User: "towelie" |
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27 Nov 2005 02:22:38 PM |
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TV's Bill Gamelson wrote:
"Truth Hunter" <hunter1234222@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1133116620.693516.201350@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
Do babies burn in Hell?
Recently I found a webpage that all believers in
salvation-through-faith should read. It is entitled "Do Babies
Automatically go to Heaven?" The author, K. B. Napier, argues they do
not. His argument is simple: One must be born again to go to heaven;
babies cannot be born again; therefore babies are doomed.
No, not at all. I've read it before but I couldn't find it now, but
babies automatically go to Heaven because they have not reached the age
of reasoning. This is also a theory I have about people who have never
even been told of the Bible or God's son, therefore they have never
rejected Jesus.
The implications of his argument are so horrible that most Christians
will immediately turn from the suggestion. How could God burn a baby in
hell forever for not believing, even though the baby had never reached
an age where he could understand? What would one ever say to a grieving
mother whose infant was in hell? Napier confronts that problem:
I'll find it somewhere and post it.
While you're at it, find proof that "heaven" exists. I'd appreciate it.
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| User: "Iconoc" |
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27 Nov 2005 05:08:15 PM |
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"Truth Hunter" <hunter1234222@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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Do babies burn in Hell?
No, just in planned parenthood facilities.
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| User: "satyr" |
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27 Nov 2005 05:13:26 PM |
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On Sun, 27 Nov 2005 16:08:15 -0700, "Iconoc" <here@overwhere.net>
wrote:
"Truth Hunter" <hunter1234222@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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Do babies burn in Hell?
No, just in planned parenthood facilities.
Why? Are you setting them on fire?
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Director, Gideon Bible Alternative Fuel Project
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| User: "Icono" |
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27 Nov 2005 10:47:08 PM |
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"satyr" <RsEaMtOyVrE@infidels.org> wrote in message
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On Sun, 27 Nov 2005 16:08:15 -0700, "Iconoc" <here@overwhere.net>
wrote:
"Truth Hunter" <hunter1234222@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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Do babies burn in Hell?
No, just in planned parenthood facilities.
Why? Are you setting them on fire?
What do YOU think they do?
They fry them.
Get an education and a brain.
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| User: "satyr" |
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27 Nov 2005 11:30:50 PM |
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On Sun, 27 Nov 2005 21:47:08 -0700, "Icono" <here@overwhere.net>
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"satyr" <RsEaMtOyVrE@infidels.org> wrote in message
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On Sun, 27 Nov 2005 16:08:15 -0700, "Iconoc" <here@overwhere.net>
wrote:
"Truth Hunter" <hunter1234222@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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Do babies burn in Hell?
No, just in planned parenthood facilities.
Why? Are you setting them on fire?
What do YOU think they do?
They fry them.
Get an education and a brain.
If by "frying" them you mean incinerate them, you are certainly wrong.
There are only about 100 medical waste incinerators in the entire
country due to tightened emission regs. I doubt that any PP clinic
ever had an incinerator - volume way to small to be practical.
Happy to provide an education for you.
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Director, Gideon Bible Alternative Fuel Project
Supervisor, EAC Fossil Casting Lab
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| User: "V.O." |
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28 Nov 2005 08:39:10 AM |
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"satyr" <RsEaMtOyVrE@infidels.org> wrote in message
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On Sun, 27 Nov 2005 21:47:08 -0700, "Icono" <here@overwhere.net>
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"satyr" <RsEaMtOyVrE@infidels.org> wrote in message
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On Sun, 27 Nov 2005 16:08:15 -0700, "Iconoc" <here@overwhere.net>
wrote:
"Truth Hunter" <hunter1234222@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1133116620.693516.201350@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
Do babies burn in Hell?
No, just in planned parenthood facilities.
Why? Are you setting them on fire?
What do YOU think they do?
They fry them.
Get an education and a brain.
If by "frying" them you mean incinerate them, you are certainly wrong.
There are only about 100 medical waste incinerators in the entire
country due to tightened emission regs. I doubt that any PP clinic
ever had an incinerator - volume way to small to be practical.
Happy to provide an education for you.
DUUHHH
Living in a little land of make believe, are you?
What is the almost national "requirement" for the disposal of medical
"WASTE"?
Duhhhhh
Get an education and a brain.
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| User: "satyr" |
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28 Nov 2005 04:53:48 PM |
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On Mon, 28 Nov 2005 07:39:10 -0700, "V.O." <here@where.net> wrote:
"satyr" <RsEaMtOyVrE@infidels.org> wrote in message
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On Sun, 27 Nov 2005 21:47:08 -0700, "Icono" <here@overwhere.net>
wrote:
"satyr" <RsEaMtOyVrE@infidels.org> wrote in message
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On Sun, 27 Nov 2005 16:08:15 -0700, "Iconoc" <here@overwhere.net>
wrote:
"Truth Hunter" <hunter1234222@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1133116620.693516.201350@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
Do babies burn in Hell?
No, just in planned parenthood facilities.
Why? Are you setting them on fire?
What do YOU think they do?
They fry them.
Get an education and a brain.
If by "frying" them you mean incinerate them, you are certainly wrong.
There are only about 100 medical waste incinerators in the entire
country due to tightened emission regs. I doubt that any PP clinic
ever had an incinerator - volume way to small to be practical.
Happy to provide an education for you.
DUUHHH
Living in a little land of make believe, are you?
What is the almost national "requirement" for the disposal of medical
"WASTE"?
Duhhhhh
It isn't incineration, I can guarantee that. I believe that
autoclave, chemical and irradiation are the currently preferred
technologies.
As far as small clinics like PP, they put it in red plastic bags and a
van picks it up. No frying involved.
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Chairman, EAC Church Taxation Subcommittee
Director, Gideon Bible Alternative Fuel Project
Supervisor, EAC Fossil Casting Lab
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| User: ". T James" |
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27 Nov 2005 01:32:31 PM |
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In article <1133116620.693516.201350@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>, says...
Do babies burn in Hell?
<SNIP>
One should respect the Lord and obey His commands. Keep and grow your faith.
Don't be sucked in to such idiotic discussions or blindly accept as valid
what some self-purported expert of the Word has to say
(e.g. "babies must, therefore, burn in hell, based on _my_ faith in the Word").
King David wrote in Ecclesiastes on the topic of this post.
Bottom line is we don't know what
happens to us when we die. In fact, I should expect--based only on that
which I can observe of death--that nothing happens,
other than cessation of life and a total end to consciencenous.
My faith which makes me believe otherwise.
--
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"The Purpose and Limits of Government,"
by Roger Pilon, 1999 (PDF, screen optimized, 256 kb)
http://www.cato.org/pubs/catosletters/cl-13.pdf
(Hardcopy $1.00, call 800-767-1241)
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28 Nov 2005 09:00:29 AM |
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<. (T James)> wrote in message news:438a09cf_3@newspeer2.tds.net...
In article <1133116620.693516.201350@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>,
hunter1234222@yahoo.com says...
Do babies burn in Hell?
<SNIP>
One should respect the Lord and obey His commands. Keep and grow your
faith.
Don't be sucked in to such idiotic discussions or blindly accept as valid
what some self-purported expert of the Word has to say
(e.g. "babies must, therefore, burn in hell, based on _my_ faith in the
Word").
King David wrote in Ecclesiastes on the topic of this post.
Bottom line is we don't know what
happens to us when we die. In fact, I should expect--based only on that
which I can observe of death--that nothing happens,
other than cessation of life and a total end to consciencenous.
My faith which makes me believe otherwise.
I take that as a "I don't know if babies burn in Hell".
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Robyn
Resident Witchypoo
#1557
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"The Purpose and Limits of Government,"
by Roger Pilon, 1999 (PDF, screen optimized, 256 kb)
http://www.cato.org/pubs/catosletters/cl-13.pdf
(Hardcopy $1.00, call 800-767-1241)
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27 Nov 2005 02:09:43 PM |
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Once upon a time in alt.atheism, dear sweet T James (.) made the light
shine upon us with this:
In article <1133116620.693516.201350@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>,
hunter1234222@yahoo.com says...
Do babies burn in Hell?
<SNIP>
One should respect the Lord and obey His commands. Keep and grow your
faith. Don't be sucked in to such idiotic discussions or blindly
accept as valid what some self-purported expert of the Word has to say
Right. Never question your faith. Blindly accept everything you are told
without question or reason, no matter how absurd or contradictory. Reject
anything that makes you think, for thinking about matters religious can
lead you to Satan himself. Go to church on Sunday, leave your brain at the
door, and don't forget to tithe.
--
Uncle Vic
aa#2011
Supervisor, EAC Department of little adhesive-backed "L" shaped
chrome-plastic doo-dads to add feet to Jesus fish department
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27 Nov 2005 05:48:04 PM |
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In article <Xns971B7BB0CF56Evicman@216.196.97.136>, Uncle Vic
<address@withheld.com> wrote:
Once upon a time in alt.atheism, dear sweet T James (.) made the light
shine upon us with this:
In article <1133116620.693516.201350@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>,
hunter1234222@yahoo.com says...
Do babies burn in Hell?
<SNIP>
One should respect the Lord and obey His commands. Keep and grow your
faith. Don't be sucked in to such idiotic discussions or blindly
accept as valid what some self-purported expert of the Word has to say
Right. Never question your faith. Blindly accept everything you are told
without question or reason, no matter how absurd or contradictory. Reject
anything that makes you think, for thinking about matters religious can
lead you to Satan himself. Go to church on Sunday, leave your brain at the
door, and don't forget to tithe.
"In matters of faith never trust your own judgment, but always
humbly submit to the decisions of the Holy Church."
-- Fr. Joseph De Harbe, S.J. - page 77, "A Full Catechism of the
Catholic Religion"
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| User: "dgillesp" |
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27 Nov 2005 04:28:10 PM |
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Uncle Vic wrote:
Once upon a time in alt.atheism, dear sweet T James (.) made the light
shine upon us with this:
In article <1133116620.693516.201350@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>,
hunter1234222@yahoo.com says...
Do babies burn in Hell?
<SNIP>
One should respect the Lord and obey His commands. Keep and grow your
faith. Don't be sucked in to such idiotic discussions or blindly
accept as valid what some self-purported expert of the Word has to say
Right. Never question your faith. Blindly accept everything you are told
without question or reason, no matter how absurd or contradictory. Reject
anything that makes you think, for thinking about matters religious can
lead you to Satan himself. Go to church on Sunday, leave your brain at the
door, and don't forget to tithe.
I believe we have touched the pocket nerve, or in this case "the bottom
line" which concludes with "and don't forget to tithe." That's quite
enough in itself to to make a man lose his religion, wouldn't you
think? And that apart from any consideration whatsoever of faith
rationally seeking understanding.
--
Denny
"There cannot be a God because, If there were one, I would
not believe that I were not He." - Friedrich Nietzsche
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27 Nov 2005 06:05:29 PM |
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Once upon a time in alt.atheism, dear sweet dgillesp
(dgillesp@nospam.net) made the light shine upon us with this:
Uncle Vic wrote:
Once upon a time in alt.atheism, dear sweet T James (.) made the
light shine upon us with this:
In article <1133116620.693516.201350@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>,
hunter1234222@yahoo.com says...
Do babies burn in Hell?
<SNIP>
One should respect the Lord and obey His commands. Keep and grow
your faith. Don't be sucked in to such idiotic discussions or
blindly accept as valid what some self-purported expert of the Word
has to say
Right. Never question your faith. Blindly accept everything you are
told without question or reason, no matter how absurd or
contradictory. Reject anything that makes you think, for thinking
about matters religious can lead you to Satan himself. Go to church
on Sunday, leave your brain at the door, and don't forget to tithe.
I believe we have touched the pocket nerve, or in this case "the
bottom line" which concludes with "and don't forget to tithe." That's
quite enough in itself to to make a man lose his religion, wouldn't
you think? And that apart from any consideration whatsoever of faith
rationally seeking understanding.
After all, that's what it's all about.
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Uncle Vic
aa#2011
Supervisor, EAC Department of little adhesive-backed "L" shaped
chrome-plastic doo-dads to add feet to Jesus fish department
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| User: "Olrik" |
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| Title: Re: Do babies burn in Hell? |
28 Nov 2005 11:11:15 PM |
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T James wrote:
In article <1133116620.693516.201350@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>, says...
Do babies burn in Hell?
<SNIP>
One should respect the Lord and obey His commands.
No. First, there's no "Lord". Two, one should earn respect. Three, blind
obedience is a sign of fear and weakness.
Keep and grow your faith.
This is alt.atheism.
Don't be sucked in to such idiotic discussions or blindly accept as valid
what some self-purported expert of the Word has to say
(e.g. "babies must, therefore, burn in hell, based on _my_ faith in the Word").
King David wrote in Ecclesiastes on the topic of this post.
So are you a "some self-purported expert"?
Bottom line is we don't know what
happens to us when we die. In fact, I should expect--based only on that
which I can observe of death--that nothing happens,
other than cessation of life and a total end to consciencenous.
My faith which makes me believe otherwise.
That called "wishful thinking."
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Olrik
aa #1981
Qualified SMASH member
EAC Chief Food Inspector, Bacon Division
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| User: "bob young" |
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| Title: Re: Do babies burn in Hell? |
28 Nov 2005 06:41:02 AM |
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T James wrote:
In article <1133116620.693516.201350@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>, says...
Do babies burn in Hell?
<SNIP>
One should respect the Lord and obey His commands. Keep and grow your faith.
Don't be sucked in to such idiotic discussions or blindly accept as valid
what some self-purported expert of the Word has to say
(e.g. "babies must, therefore, burn in hell, based on _my_ faith in the Word").
King David wrote in Ecclesiastes on the topic of this post.
Bottom line is we don't know what
happens to us when we die. In fact, I should expect--based only on that
which I can observe of death--that nothing happens,
other than cessation of life and a total end to consciencenous.
My faith which makes me believe otherwise.
Better not question our beleif, as otherwise some smart alec is going to find the holes in it!
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"The Purpose and Limits of Government,"
by Roger Pilon, 1999 (PDF, screen optimized, 256 kb)
http://www.cato.org/pubs/catosletters/cl-13.pdf
(Hardcopy $1.00, call 800-767-1241)
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| User: "Jos Flachs" |
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| Title: Re: Do babies burn in Hell? |
28 Nov 2005 07:10:59 AM |
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On 27 Nov 2005 10:37:00 -0800, "Truth Hunter"
<hunter1234222@yahoo.com> wrote:
Do babies burn in Hell?
Yup. They do. For all eternity. If they haven't been baptized.
Together with all other decent folks that for whatever reason weren't
sprinkled with holy water. They might be Papua's living on New Guinea,
not yet being discovered. Doesn't matter. The suckers burn anyway.
Any idea why catholics had the baby baptized when the baby wasn't even
out of the womb?
Exactly, just because of that.
Lovely, eh? An omnibenevolent god trio. I think I pass this time.
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| User: "Steve Knight" |
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| Title: Re: Do babies burn in Hell? |
27 Nov 2005 08:01:33 PM |
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On 27 Nov 2005 10:37:00 -0800, "Truth Hunter"
<hunter1234222@yahoo.com> wrote:
Do babies burn in Hell?
snip for brevity
Pretty standard fair for superstition.. The Babble is concise about
forgiveness and reward. 'Come un to me' crap or burn forever. Nowhere
does it gibber about babies, retards or Pastor Dave types.
So the Jeebus suckers revise their 'god' from common human
morality, which has nothing to do with their 'true' belief. How could
they and still be moral?
You can't... CAN'T send a baby to hell. But the bottom line is you
can according to literal interpretation of christianity. Insert Salad
Bar christian here......................
Warlord Steve
BAAWA
www.sonic.net/~wooly
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| User: "CB" |
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27 Nov 2005 10:00:54 PM |
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On 27 Nov 2005 10:37:00 -0800, "Truth Hunter" <hunter1234222@yahoo.com> wrote:
Do babies burn in Hell?
Recently I found a webpage that all believers in
salvation-through-faith should read. It is entitled "Do Babies
Automatically go to Heaven?" The author, K. B. Napier, argues they do
not. His argument is simple: One must be born again to go to heaven;
babies cannot be born again; therefore babies are doomed.
That would be the correct catholic teaching.
I suppose napier is catholic?
"Life may not be the party we hoped for, but while we are here we might as well dance."
Author Unknown
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| User: "Mike Painter" |
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| Title: Re: Do babies burn in Hell? |
29 Nov 2005 12:46:18 AM |
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CB wrote:
On 27 Nov 2005 10:37:00 -0800, "Truth Hunter"
<hunter1234222@yahoo.com> wrote:
Do babies burn in Hell?
Recently I found a webpage that all believers in
salvation-through-faith should read. It is entitled "Do Babies
Automatically go to Heaven?" The author, K. B. Napier, argues they do
not. His argument is simple: One must be born again to go to heaven;
babies cannot be born again; therefore babies are doomed.
That would be the correct catholic teaching.
I suppose napier is catholic?
"Life may not be the party we hoped for, but while we are here we
might as well dance." Author Unknown
That is not catholic teaching. The RCC used to teach that people under the
age of reason who were not baptized went to "limbo" a place of perfect
happiness but with out god.
With the gradual move towards hell being the absence of god rather than a
pit of fire, the idea of limbo is falling out of favor.
The Catholics also believe that you can go to heaven for just being a good
person and that you don't have to be "saved".
Probably all mainstream Protestant sects believe a similar thing and some of
the more fundamental believe you can go to heaven if you are good and
*never* have heard of the bible.
Many believe that *anyone* who is not saved, including the 60% of all
fertilized ova that are never born go to hell.
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| User: "MarkA" |
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| Title: Re: Do babies burn in Hell? |
28 Nov 2005 08:16:19 PM |
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On Sun, 27 Nov 2005 10:37:00 -0800, Truth Hunter wrote:
Do babies burn in Hell?
No. The water content is too high.
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MarkA
(this space accidentally filled in)
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| User: "Gregory Gadow" |
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| Title: Re: Do babies burn in Hell? |
29 Nov 2005 08:21:13 AM |
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MarkA wrote:
On Sun, 27 Nov 2005 10:37:00 -0800, Truth Hunter wrote:
Do babies burn in Hell?
No. The water content is too high.
You are thinking of Seattlites. We are guaranteed a place in Heaven, as
we are too wet to burn.
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Gregory Gadow
techbear@serv.net
http://www.serv.net/~techbear
"[W]e have never held that moral disapproval, without any other asserted
state interest, is a sufficient rationale under the Equal Protection
Clause to justify a law that discriminates among groups of persons."
- Sandra Day O`Conner, _Lawrence v Texas_
http://caselaw.lp.findlaw.com/scripts/getcase.pl?court=us&vol=000&invol=02-102
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| User: "R.L.Measures" |
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| Title: Re: Do babies burn in Hell? |
29 Nov 2005 09:11:31 AM |
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In article <438C63D9.E5529CA2@serv.net>, Gregory Gadow <techbear@serv.net>
wrote:
MarkA wrote:
On Sun, 27 Nov 2005 10:37:00 -0800, Truth Hunter wrote:
Do babies burn in Hell?
No. The water content is too high.
You are thinking of Seattlites. We are guaranteed a place in Heaven, as
we are too wet to burn.
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Damn right, Greg.
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R.L.Measures, 805-386-3734, www.somis.org
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| User: "Bill" |
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| Title: Re: Do babies burn in Hell? |
27 Nov 2005 01:42:04 PM |
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Pure Biblical myth. There is absolutely no objective verifiable evidence for
either a Heaven or a Hell.
"Truth Hunter" <hunter1234222@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1133116620.693516.201350@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
Do babies burn in Hell?
Recently I found a webpage that all believers in
salvation-through-faith should read. It is entitled "Do Babies
Automatically go to Heaven?" The author, K. B. Napier, argues they do
not. His argument is simple: One must be born again to go to heaven;
babies cannot be born again; therefore babies are doomed.
The implications of his argument are so horrible that most Christians
will immediately turn from the suggestion. How could God burn a baby in
hell forever for not believing, even though the baby had never reached
an age where he could understand? What would one ever say to a grieving
mother whose infant was in hell? Napier confronts that problem:
Quote
I can partially understand the desire not to increase the burden of
a bereaved parent, by saying something soothing...but to claim it to be
a part of scriptural teaching is yet another matter, of gravest
importance, because it totally undermines the true gospel...In an
effort to comfort the bereaved they often say things that are
unscriptural. This is particularly so if the dead person is an unborn
or young child. What minister has the courage to teach what scripture
says in such circumstances? I know of none!<<
I struggle to think how Napier might comfort the grieving mother whose
infant is supposedly screaming in hell.
Napier is quick to point out that babies are sinners and that sinners
go to hell. But even he cannot seem to find the words to declare that
babies go to hell. He chooses to concentrate on his conclusion that
they don't go to heaven. But he clearly infers where infants go: They
all burn in eternal conscious torment in hell forever.
But if you reject Napier's teaching, and find that the rule requiring
new birth has an exception in the case of infants--and most Christians
think it does--are there other exceptions? Are the mentally handicapped
also exempted? What about those who haven't heard? What about those who
have reviewed the facts, and decided they cannot believe? If babies can
be exempted from the curse without a new birth, why can't others enjoy
the same exemption? And then why would faith even matter?
If one truly thought that one must believe certain assertions to escape
hell, it seems to me he would end up at the barbaric conclusion that
Napier reaches. What do you think?
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