| Topic: |
Religions > Atheism |
| User: |
"darth_versive" |
| Date: |
08 Feb 2004 01:41:42 PM |
| Object: |
Do creationists have brick walls in their minds? |
How are we to account for the observation that so many creationists,
when repeatedly confronted with overwhelming evidence in support of
the theory of evolution, seem either to not comprehend this evidence,
or to discount it without serious thought, or with clearly specious
reasoning?
It's much too easy to suppose that they really *do* understand it, and
yet for some cynical, ulterior motives, choose to pretend that they
don't. This explanation just doesn't hold water. Some of the things
they say seem so nonsensical that it's hard to believe that anyone
would willingly invite ridicule for saying such things if they really
understood how silly they were, and that people would deliberately
damage their own cause by such statements.
So how are we to account for such behavior? Is there some
psychological "brick wall" that somehow keeps them from understanding
normal science when that science seems to them to contradict some
theological dogma that they hold fast to? If so, just how does this
"brick wall" operate? Clearly, the proponents of modern science
education have not found a way so far to deal with this brick wall,
since it is seemingly still very much in operation in the minds of
creationists, in spite of all their attempts to break through it.
DV
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| User: "Not so quick" |
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| Title: Re: Do creationists have brick walls in their minds? |
12 Feb 2004 09:58:16 PM |
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""Rev Dr" Lenny Flank" <lflank_nospam@ij.net> wrote in message
news:402c1557$1_4@corp.newsgroups.com...
Not so quick wrote:
To me, honestly as I can be right now, my internal experience
with an intelligence and greater goodness and more human being
is very important.
Thanks for sharing your religious opibnions with us. Why is the rets of
the world obligated to accept them, follow them, or pay any attention at
all to them?
Maybe prayer should be banned in classes but do you really think
that a child giving a valedictorian speech should be banned from
mentioning their religion? A child can get in trouble for say "God."
That's not right. And should tax money for schools only go to the
places that don't want religion taught, or should parents have the
choice of how their education dollars are spent? Are you saying
that religious people's tax dollars should be taken from them to
be spent on an education that goes against their beliefs?
Yes.
===============================================
Lenny Flank
"There are no loose threads in the web of life"
Creation "Science" Debunked:
http://www.geocities.com/lflank
DebunkCreation Email list:
http://www.groups.yahoo.com/group/DebunkCreation
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Please don't waste you time reading or replying to
my posts.
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| User: "\Rev Dr\ Lenny Flank" |
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| Title: Re: Do creationists have brick walls in their minds? |
20 Feb 2004 07:03:26 AM |
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Not so quick wrote:
""Rev Dr" Lenny Flank" <lflank_nospam@ij.net> wrote in message
news:402c1557$1_4@corp.newsgroups.com...
Not so quick wrote:
To me, honestly as I can be right now, my internal experience
with an intelligence and greater goodness and more human being
is very important.
Thanks for sharing your religious opibnions with us. Why is the rets of
the world obligated to accept them, follow them, or pay any attention at
all to them?
Maybe prayer should be banned in classes but do you really think
that a child giving a valedictorian speech should be banned from
mentioning their religion? A child can get in trouble for say "God."
That's not right. And should tax money for schools only go to the
places that don't want religion taught, or should parents have the
choice of how their education dollars are spent? Are you saying
that religious people's tax dollars should be taken from them to
be spent on an education that goes against their beliefs?
Yes.
Please don't waste you time reading or replying to
my posts.
OK, so there IS NO reason why anyone should pay any more attention to
your religious opinions than they should to mine, my next door
neighbor's, or my sister's dog's former owner's. . . .
Thanks for confirming that for me.
No need for yout to read or reply to my posts either. See, my questions
make their point whether you answer them or not (indeed, when you
refuse to answer, as you have, you onyl reifnroce their poiint even
further). I don't need your cooperation to make my point.
===============================================
Lenny Flank
"There are no loose threads in the web of life"
Creation "Science" Debunked:
http://www.geocities.com/lflank
DebunkCreation Email list:
http://www.groups.yahoo.com/group/DebunkCreation
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| User: "Patrick James" |
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| Title: Re: Do creationists have brick walls in their minds? |
13 Feb 2004 08:34:46 AM |
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On Thu, 12 Feb 2004 22:58:16 -0500, Not so quick wrote
(in message <a4XWb.39440$QJ3.5286@fed1read04>):
""Rev Dr" Lenny Flank" <lflank_nospam@ij.net> wrote in message
news:402c1557$1_4@corp.newsgroups.com...
Not so quick wrote:
To me, honestly as I can be right now, my internal experience
with an intelligence and greater goodness and more human being
is very important.
Thanks for sharing your religious opibnions with us. Why is the rets of
the world obligated to accept them, follow them, or pay any attention at
all to them?
Maybe prayer should be banned in classes but do you really think
that a child giving a valedictorian speech should be banned from
mentioning their religion? A child can get in trouble for say "God."
That's not right. And should tax money for schools only go to the
places that don't want religion taught, or should parents have the
choice of how their education dollars are spent? Are you saying
that religious people's tax dollars should be taken from them to
be spent on an education that goes against their beliefs?
Yes.
===============================================
Lenny Flank
"There are no loose threads in the web of life"
Creation "Science" Debunked:
http://www.geocities.com/lflank
DebunkCreation Email list:
http://www.groups.yahoo.com/group/DebunkCreation
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Please don't waste you time reading or replying to
my posts.
I see that you have no answers to his question: Why _should_ the rest of the
world give a damn about _your_ religions opinions?
--
Si hoc legere scis nimium eruditionis habes
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| User: "Not so quick" |
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| Title: Re: Do creationists have brick walls in their minds? |
13 Feb 2004 02:47:55 PM |
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"Patrick James" <patjames@newsguy.com> wrote in message
news:0001HW.BC524B41003E24CDF02845B0@enews.newsguy.com...
On Thu, 12 Feb 2004 22:58:16 -0500, Not so quick wrote
(in message <a4XWb.39440$QJ3.5286@fed1read04>):
""Rev Dr" Lenny Flank" <lflank_nospam@ij.net> wrote in message
news:402c1557$1_4@corp.newsgroups.com...
Not so quick wrote:
To me, honestly as I can be right now, my internal experience
with an intelligence and greater goodness and more human being
is very important.
Thanks for sharing your religious opibnions with us. Why is the rets
of
the world obligated to accept them, follow them, or pay any attention
at
all to them?
Maybe prayer should be banned in classes but do you really think
that a child giving a valedictorian speech should be banned from
mentioning their religion? A child can get in trouble for say "God."
That's not right. And should tax money for schools only go to the
places that don't want religion taught, or should parents have the
choice of how their education dollars are spent? Are you saying
that religious people's tax dollars should be taken from them to
be spent on an education that goes against their beliefs?
Yes.
===============================================
Lenny Flank
"There are no loose threads in the web of life"
Creation "Science" Debunked:
http://www.geocities.com/lflank
DebunkCreation Email list:
http://www.groups.yahoo.com/group/DebunkCreation
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-----== Over 100,000 Newsgroups - 19 Different Servers! =-----
Please don't waste you time reading or replying to
my posts.
I see that you have no answers to his question: Why _should_ the rest of
the
world give a damn about _your_ religions opinions?
--
Si hoc legere scis nimium eruditionis habes
Why should anyone care about your question? Do
you think it is especially profound? I looked up the
meaning to your Latin quote and found it to be a waste
of time.
You could say the same thing to everyone that posted
about any subject on any newsgroup. What do you think
is necessary for someone to post? Maybe that someone
else might find it interesting, or have similar ideas, or have
an opposing idea with good arguments to change my mind?
Or maybe there are people who have experienced things
in a way that most people haven't and don't get a lot of
validation because their ideas are not mainstream while still
useful.
Did I say anything that suggested that my ideas should be
considered in a more favorable light than anyone else's?
Do you read before you post your one note responses. I
watched you do that to Mark Ernest, who is sincere and
who added to my understanding of another point of view.
What do you contribute? I'm sure you have interests in
something, why don't you find a place where you can share
and be part of something bigger than your self...
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| User: "\Rev Dr\ Lenny Flank" |
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| Title: Re: Do creationists have brick walls in their minds? |
13 Feb 2004 07:03:02 PM |
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Not so quick wrote:
"Patrick James" <patjames@newsguy.com> wrote in message
news:0001HW.BC524B41003E24CDF02845B0@enews.newsguy.com...
On Thu, 12 Feb 2004 22:58:16 -0500, Not so quick wrote
(in message <a4XWb.39440$QJ3.5286@fed1read04>):
""Rev Dr" Lenny Flank" <lflank_nospam@ij.net> wrote in message
news:402c1557$1_4@corp.newsgroups.com...
Not so quick wrote:
To me, honestly as I can be right now, my internal experience
with an intelligence and greater goodness and more human being
is very important.
Thanks for sharing your religious opibnions with us. Why is the rets
of
the world obligated to accept them, follow them, or pay any attention
at
all to them?
Maybe prayer should be banned in classes but do you really think
that a child giving a valedictorian speech should be banned from
mentioning their religion? A child can get in trouble for say "God."
That's not right. And should tax money for schools only go to the
places that don't want religion taught, or should parents have the
choice of how their education dollars are spent? Are you saying
that religious people's tax dollars should be taken from them to
be spent on an education that goes against their beliefs?
Yes.
===============================================
Lenny Flank
"There are no loose threads in the web of life"
Creation "Science" Debunked:
http://www.geocities.com/lflank
DebunkCreation Email list:
http://www.groups.yahoo.com/group/DebunkCreation
-----= Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News =-----
http://www.newsfeeds.com - The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World!
-----== Over 100,000 Newsgroups - 19 Different Servers! =-----
Please don't waste you time reading or replying to
my posts.
I see that you have no answers to his question: Why _should_ the rest of
the
world give a damn about _your_ religions opinions?
--
Si hoc legere scis nimium eruditionis habes
Why should anyone care about your question? Do
you think it is especially profound?
OK, so you don't have any answer.
I thought not. Thanks for confirming it for me.
===============================================
Lenny Flank
"There are no loose threads in the web of life"
Creation "Science" Debunked:
http://www.geocities.com/lflank
DebunkCreation Email list:
http://www.groups.yahoo.com/group/DebunkCreation
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| User: "Patrick James" |
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| Title: Re: Do creationists have brick walls in their minds? |
13 Feb 2004 04:39:28 PM |
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On Fri, 13 Feb 2004 15:47:55 -0500, Not so quick wrote
(in message <7MaXb.40275$QJ3.31629@fed1read04>):
"Patrick James" <patjames@newsguy.com> wrote in message
news:0001HW.BC524B41003E24CDF02845B0@enews.newsguy.com...
On Thu, 12 Feb 2004 22:58:16 -0500, Not so quick wrote
(in message <a4XWb.39440$QJ3.5286@fed1read04>):
""Rev Dr" Lenny Flank" <lflank_nospam@ij.net> wrote in message
news:402c1557$1_4@corp.newsgroups.com...
Not so quick wrote:
To me, honestly as I can be right now, my internal experience
with an intelligence and greater goodness and more human being
is very important.
Thanks for sharing your religious opibnions with us. Why is the rets
of
the world obligated to accept them, follow them, or pay any attention
at
all to them?
Maybe prayer should be banned in classes but do you really think
that a child giving a valedictorian speech should be banned from
mentioning their religion? A child can get in trouble for say "God."
That's not right. And should tax money for schools only go to the
places that don't want religion taught, or should parents have the
choice of how their education dollars are spent? Are you saying
that religious people's tax dollars should be taken from them to
be spent on an education that goes against their beliefs?
Yes.
===============================================
Lenny Flank
"There are no loose threads in the web of life"
Creation "Science" Debunked:
http://www.geocities.com/lflank
DebunkCreation Email list:
http://www.groups.yahoo.com/group/DebunkCreation
-----= Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News =-----
http://www.newsfeeds.com - The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World!
-----== Over 100,000 Newsgroups - 19 Different Servers! =-----
Please don't waste you time reading or replying to
my posts.
I see that you have no answers to his question: Why _should_ the rest of
the
world give a damn about _your_ religions opinions?
--
Si hoc legere scis nimium eruditionis habes
Why should anyone care about your question?
Simple. Unless you can tell us why we should pay more attention to _your_
religious opinions than those of (for example) Lenny's pizza delivery boy, or
the Pope, or Osamni ben Laden, we're not at all likely to take you seriously.
You have again dodged the question. Why _should_ anyone give a damn about
_your_ religious opinions. Pray be specific.
Do
you think it is especially profound?
Not really. I just think that it's basic. If you refuse to say why we should
listen to you, we're not likely to listen to you. Even a creationist cretin
should be able to figure that out. You're now the _second_ creationist cretin
in two days whose intelligence I've overestimated. I must try to do better.
I looked up the
meaning to your Latin quote and found it to be a waste
of time.
How sad. I had to learn Latin in school and found it to be a statement of the
obvious.
You could say the same thing to everyone that posted
about any subject on any newsgroup.
Nope.
What do you think
is necessary for someone to post?
To expose creationist cretins for the dolts that they are.
Maybe that someone
else might find it interesting, or have similar ideas, or have
an opposing idea with good arguments to change my mind?
I don't give a damn about your mind. Creationist cretins almost always have
solid oak from ear to ear and _will not_ change.
Now, there may be lurkers who aren't set in their ways, and who can look at
who gives reasons and who makes valid arguments... and who doesn't.
Or maybe there are people who have experienced things
in a way that most people haven't and don't get a lot of
validation because their ideas are not mainstream while still
useful.
You've had a chance to state your reasons for saying what you do. You've
dodged it with Lenny several times and with me once.
Did I say anything that suggested that my ideas should be
considered in a more favorable light than anyone else's?
yes. See your handle.
Do you read before you post your one note responses. I
watched you do that to Mark Ernest,
Aah... who's Mark Ernest? Do you have a Google URL showing even post I've
made in reply to him? I did a Google search 'cause I didn't remember even
seeing that name. I used
<http://www.google.com/groups?as_oq=Mark%20Ernest&safe=images&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-
8&as_uauthors=patrickjames@newsguy.com&lr=&hl=en> and found nada.
I suspect that you've mistaken me for someone else.
who is sincere and
who added to my understanding of another point of view.
What do you contribute?
Stomping creationists.
I'm sure you have interests in
something, why don't you find a place where you can share
and be part of something bigger than your self...
I already have. Stomping creationists.
--
Si hoc legere scis nimium eruditionis habes
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| User: "Not so quick" |
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| Title: Re: Do creationists have brick walls in their minds? |
13 Feb 2004 05:42:49 PM |
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"Patrick James" <patjames@newsguy.com> wrote in message
news:0001HW.BC52BCC5000232F0F02845B0@enews.newsguy.com...
On Fri, 13 Feb 2004 15:47:55 -0500, Not so quick wrote
(in message <7MaXb.40275$QJ3.31629@fed1read04>):
"Patrick James" <patjames@newsguy.com> wrote in message
news:0001HW.BC524B41003E24CDF02845B0@enews.newsguy.com...
On Thu, 12 Feb 2004 22:58:16 -0500, Not so quick wrote
(in message <a4XWb.39440$QJ3.5286@fed1read04>):
""Rev Dr" Lenny Flank" <lflank_nospam@ij.net> wrote in message
news:402c1557$1_4@corp.newsgroups.com...
Not so quick wrote:
To me, honestly as I can be right now, my internal experience
with an intelligence and greater goodness and more human being
is very important.
Thanks for sharing your religious opibnions with us. Why is the rets
of
the world obligated to accept them, follow them, or pay any attention
at
all to them?
Maybe prayer should be banned in classes but do you really think
that a child giving a valedictorian speech should be banned from
mentioning their religion? A child can get in trouble for say "God."
That's not right. And should tax money for schools only go to the
places that don't want religion taught, or should parents have the
choice of how their education dollars are spent? Are you saying
that religious people's tax dollars should be taken from them to
be spent on an education that goes against their beliefs?
Yes.
===============================================
Lenny Flank
"There are no loose threads in the web of life"
Creation "Science" Debunked:
http://www.geocities.com/lflank
DebunkCreation Email list:
http://www.groups.yahoo.com/group/DebunkCreation
-----= Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News =-----
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-----== Over 100,000 Newsgroups - 19 Different Servers! =-----
Please don't waste you time reading or replying to
my posts.
I see that you have no answers to his question: Why _should_ the rest
of
the
world give a damn about _your_ religions opinions?
--
Si hoc legere scis nimium eruditionis habes
Why should anyone care about your question?
Simple. Unless you can tell us why we should pay more attention to _your_
religious opinions than those of (for example) Lenny's pizza delivery boy,
or
the Pope, or Osamni ben Laden, we're not at all likely to take you
seriously.
You have again dodged the question. Why _should_ anyone give a damn about
_your_ religious opinions. Pray be specific.
Do
you think it is especially profound?
Not really. I just think that it's basic. If you refuse to say why we
should
listen to you, we're not likely to listen to you. Even a creationist
cretin
should be able to figure that out. You're now the _second_ creationist
cretin
in two days whose intelligence I've overestimated. I must try to do
better.
I looked up the
meaning to your Latin quote and found it to be a waste
of time.
How sad. I had to learn Latin in school and found it to be a statement of
the
obvious.
You could say the same thing to everyone that posted
about any subject on any newsgroup.
Nope.
What do you think
is necessary for someone to post?
To expose creationist cretins for the dolts that they are.
Maybe that someone
else might find it interesting, or have similar ideas, or have
an opposing idea with good arguments to change my mind?
I don't give a damn about your mind. Creationist cretins almost always
have
solid oak from ear to ear and _will not_ change.
Now, there may be lurkers who aren't set in their ways, and who can look
at
who gives reasons and who makes valid arguments... and who doesn't.
Or maybe there are people who have experienced things
in a way that most people haven't and don't get a lot of
validation because their ideas are not mainstream while still
useful.
You've had a chance to state your reasons for saying what you do. You've
dodged it with Lenny several times and with me once.
Did I say anything that suggested that my ideas should be
considered in a more favorable light than anyone else's?
yes. See your handle.
Do you read before you post your one note responses. I
watched you do that to Mark Ernest,
Aah... who's Mark Ernest? Do you have a Google URL showing even post I've
made in reply to him? I did a Google search 'cause I didn't remember even
seeing that name. I used
<http://www.google.com/groups?as_oq=Mark%20Ernest&safe=images&ie=UTF-8&oe=UT
F-
8&as_uauthors=patrickjames@newsguy.com&lr=&hl=en> and found nada.
I suspect that you've mistaken me for someone else.
who is sincere and
who added to my understanding of another point of view.
What do you contribute?
Stomping creationists.
I'm sure you have interests in
something, why don't you find a place where you can share
and be part of something bigger than your self...
I already have. Stomping creationists.
--
Si hoc legere scis nimium eruditionis habes
What does the handle "NotSoQuick" have to do
with pretending to be special? And you don't speak
for anyone else. So don't try to intimidate people by
talking about "what 'we' think".
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| User: "\Rev Dr\ Lenny Flank" |
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| Title: Re: Do creationists have brick walls in their minds? |
13 Feb 2004 07:04:51 PM |
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Not so quick wrote:
<snip>
And you don't speak
for anyone else. So don't try to intimidate people by
talking about "what 'we' think".
Uh, who exactly do YOU speak for . . . . yourself, or God?
Or don't you think there is any difference?
===============================================
Lenny Flank
"There are no loose threads in the web of life"
Creation "Science" Debunked:
http://www.geocities.com/lflank
DebunkCreation Email list:
http://www.groups.yahoo.com/group/DebunkCreation
-----= Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News =-----
http://www.newsfeeds.com - The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World!
-----== Over 100,000 Newsgroups - 19 Different Servers! =-----
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| User: "Not so quick" |
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| Title: Re: Do creationists have brick walls in their minds? |
13 Feb 2004 10:57:41 PM |
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""Rev Dr" Lenny Flank" <lflank_nospam@ij.net> wrote in message
news:402d74be$1_4@corp.newsgroups.com...
Not so quick wrote:
<snip>
And you don't speak
for anyone else. So don't try to intimidate people by
talking about "what 'we' think".
Uh, who exactly do YOU speak for . . . . yourself, or God?
Or don't you think there is any difference?
===============================================
Lenny Flank
"There are no loose threads in the web of life"
Creation "Science" Debunked:
http://www.geocities.com/lflank
DebunkCreation Email list:
http://www.groups.yahoo.com/group/DebunkCreation
-----= Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News =-----
http://www.newsfeeds.com - The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World!
-----== Over 100,000 Newsgroups - 19 Different Servers! =-----
If you're in junior high school then you're
pretty smart.
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| User: "Patrick James" |
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| Title: Re: Do creationists have brick walls in their minds? |
13 Feb 2004 11:18:18 PM |
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On Fri, 13 Feb 2004 23:57:41 -0500, Not so quick wrote
(in message <g5gXb.40427$QJ3.14247@fed1read04>):
""Rev Dr" Lenny Flank" <lflank_nospam@ij.net> wrote in message
news:402d74be$1_4@corp.newsgroups.com...
Not so quick wrote:
<snip>
And you don't speak
for anyone else. So don't try to intimidate people by
talking about "what 'we' think".
Uh, who exactly do YOU speak for . . . . yourself, or God?
Or don't you think there is any difference?
===============================================
Lenny Flank
"There are no loose threads in the web of life"
Creation "Science" Debunked:
http://www.geocities.com/lflank
DebunkCreation Email list:
http://www.groups.yahoo.com/group/DebunkCreation
-----= Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News =-----
http://www.newsfeeds.com - The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World!
-----== Over 100,000 Newsgroups - 19 Different Servers! =-----
If you're in junior high school then you're
pretty smart.
Is this a personal attack that I see before me? Why, surely Not So Bright
wouldn't do _that_, now would he?
--
Si hoc legere scis nimium eruditionis habes
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| User: "Patrick James" |
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| Title: Re: Do creationists have brick walls in their minds? |
13 Feb 2004 06:35:13 PM |
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On Fri, 13 Feb 2004 18:42:49 -0500, Not so quick wrote
(in message <X7dXb.40284$QJ3.14511@fed1read04>):
"Patrick James" <patjames@newsguy.com> wrote in message
news:0001HW.BC52BCC5000232F0F02845B0@enews.newsguy.com...
On Fri, 13 Feb 2004 15:47:55 -0500, Not so quick wrote
(in message <7MaXb.40275$QJ3.31629@fed1read04>):
"Patrick James" <patjames@newsguy.com> wrote in message
news:0001HW.BC524B41003E24CDF02845B0@enews.newsguy.com...
On Thu, 12 Feb 2004 22:58:16 -0500, Not so quick wrote
(in message <a4XWb.39440$QJ3.5286@fed1read04>):
""Rev Dr" Lenny Flank" <lflank_nospam@ij.net> wrote in message
news:402c1557$1_4@corp.newsgroups.com...
Not so quick wrote:
To me, honestly as I can be right now, my internal experience
with an intelligence and greater goodness and more human being
is very important.
Thanks for sharing your religious opibnions with us. Why is the rets
of
the world obligated to accept them, follow them, or pay any attention
at
all to them?
Maybe prayer should be banned in classes but do you really think
that a child giving a valedictorian speech should be banned from
mentioning their religion? A child can get in trouble for say "God."
That's not right. And should tax money for schools only go to the
places that don't want religion taught, or should parents have the
choice of how their education dollars are spent? Are you saying
that religious people's tax dollars should be taken from them to
be spent on an education that goes against their beliefs?
Yes.
===============================================
Lenny Flank
"There are no loose threads in the web of life"
Creation "Science" Debunked:
http://www.geocities.com/lflank
DebunkCreation Email list:
http://www.groups.yahoo.com/group/DebunkCreation
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Please don't waste you time reading or replying to
my posts.
I see that you have no answers to his question: Why _should_ the rest
of
the
world give a damn about _your_ religions opinions?
--
Si hoc legere scis nimium eruditionis habes
Why should anyone care about your question?
Simple. Unless you can tell us why we should pay more attention to _your_
religious opinions than those of (for example) Lenny's pizza delivery boy,
or
the Pope, or Osamni ben Laden, we're not at all likely to take you
seriously.
You have again dodged the question. Why _should_ anyone give a damn about
_your_ religious opinions. Pray be specific.
Do
you think it is especially profound?
Not really. I just think that it's basic. If you refuse to say why we
should
listen to you, we're not likely to listen to you. Even a creationist
cretin
should be able to figure that out. You're now the _second_ creationist
cretin
in two days whose intelligence I've overestimated. I must try to do
better.
I looked up the
meaning to your Latin quote and found it to be a waste
of time.
How sad. I had to learn Latin in school and found it to be a statement of
the
obvious.
You could say the same thing to everyone that posted
about any subject on any newsgroup.
Nope.
What do you think
is necessary for someone to post?
To expose creationist cretins for the dolts that they are.
Maybe that someone
else might find it interesting, or have similar ideas, or have
an opposing idea with good arguments to change my mind?
I don't give a damn about your mind. Creationist cretins almost always
have
solid oak from ear to ear and _will not_ change.
Now, there may be lurkers who aren't set in their ways, and who can look
at
who gives reasons and who makes valid arguments... and who doesn't.
Or maybe there are people who have experienced things
in a way that most people haven't and don't get a lot of
validation because their ideas are not mainstream while still
useful.
You've had a chance to state your reasons for saying what you do. You've
dodged it with Lenny several times and with me once.
Did I say anything that suggested that my ideas should be
considered in a more favorable light than anyone else's?
yes. See your handle.
Do you read before you post your one note responses. I
watched you do that to Mark Ernest,
Aah... who's Mark Ernest? Do you have a Google URL showing even post I've
made in reply to him? I did a Google search 'cause I didn't remember even
seeing that name. I used
<http://www.google.com/groups?as_oq=Mark%20Ernest&safe=images&ie=UTF-8&oe=UT
F-
8&as_uauthors=patrickjames@newsguy.com&lr=&hl=en> and found nada.
I suspect that you've mistaken me for someone else.
who is sincere and
who added to my understanding of another point of view.
What do you contribute?
Stomping creationists.
I'm sure you have interests in
something, why don't you find a place where you can share
and be part of something bigger than your self...
I already have. Stomping creationists.
--
Si hoc legere scis nimium eruditionis habes
What does the handle "NotSoQuick" have to do
with pretending to be special? And you don't speak
for anyone else. So don't try to intimidate people by
talking about "what 'we' think".
you still haven't answered my question. I answered yours. Do be a good lad
and _try_ to answer mine _before_ demanding _additional_ answers.
Let me repeat it again (so that you can dodge it for a _third_ time)
Why should the rest of the world give a damn about your religious opinions?
And when you answer that one, you might also let me know who the hell 'Mark
Ernest' is/was, and why you think that I was mean to him.
And you might explain why your evident lack of education should be of any
interest to anyone in general and to me in particular.
These are simple enoough questions. I trust that I was able to phrase them
simply enough for even a creationist cretin to understand them. I tried to
avoid big words, but had to use a few. Still, you should be able to get a
10-year-old to explain the multisyllable ones to you. Let's see you dodge the
questions. Again.
--
Si hoc legere scis nimium eruditionis habes
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| User: "Not so quick" |
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| Title: Re: Do creationists have brick walls in their minds? |
13 Feb 2004 06:43:37 PM |
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"Patrick James" <patjames@newsguy.com> wrote in message
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On Fri, 13 Feb 2004 18:42:49 -0500, Not so quick wrote
(in message <X7dXb.40284$QJ3.14511@fed1read04>):
"Patrick James" <patjames@newsguy.com> wrote in message
news:0001HW.BC52BCC5000232F0F02845B0@enews.newsguy.com...
On Fri, 13 Feb 2004 15:47:55 -0500, Not so quick wrote
(in message <7MaXb.40275$QJ3.31629@fed1read04>):
"Patrick James" <patjames@newsguy.com> wrote in message
news:0001HW.BC524B41003E24CDF02845B0@enews.newsguy.com...
On Thu, 12 Feb 2004 22:58:16 -0500, Not so quick wrote
(in message <a4XWb.39440$QJ3.5286@fed1read04>):
""Rev Dr" Lenny Flank" <lflank_nospam@ij.net> wrote in message
news:402c1557$1_4@corp.newsgroups.com...
Not so quick wrote:
To me, honestly as I can be right now, my internal experience
with an intelligence and greater goodness and more human being
is very important.
Thanks for sharing your religious opibnions with us. Why is the
rets
of
the world obligated to accept them, follow them, or pay any
attention
at
all to them?
Maybe prayer should be banned in classes but do you really think
that a child giving a valedictorian speech should be banned from
mentioning their religion? A child can get in trouble for say
"God."
That's not right. And should tax money for schools only go to the
places that don't want religion taught, or should parents have the
choice of how their education dollars are spent? Are you saying
that religious people's tax dollars should be taken from them to
be spent on an education that goes against their beliefs?
Yes.
===============================================
Lenny Flank
"There are no loose threads in the web of life"
Creation "Science" Debunked:
http://www.geocities.com/lflank
DebunkCreation Email list:
http://www.groups.yahoo.com/group/DebunkCreation
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Please don't waste you time reading or replying to
my posts.
I see that you have no answers to his question: Why _should_ the rest
of
the
world give a damn about _your_ religions opinions?
--
Si hoc legere scis nimium eruditionis habes
Why should anyone care about your question?
Simple. Unless you can tell us why we should pay more attention to
_your_
religious opinions than those of (for example) Lenny's pizza delivery
boy,
or
the Pope, or Osamni ben Laden, we're not at all likely to take you
seriously.
You have again dodged the question. Why _should_ anyone give a damn
about
_your_ religious opinions. Pray be specific.
Do
you think it is especially profound?
Not really. I just think that it's basic. If you refuse to say why we
should
listen to you, we're not likely to listen to you. Even a creationist
cretin
should be able to figure that out. You're now the _second_ creationist
cretin
in two days whose intelligence I've overestimated. I must try to do
better.
I looked up the
meaning to your Latin quote and found it to be a waste
of time.
How sad. I had to learn Latin in school and found it to be a statement
of
the
obvious.
You could say the same thing to everyone that posted
about any subject on any newsgroup.
Nope.
What do you think
is necessary for someone to post?
To expose creationist cretins for the dolts that they are.
Maybe that someone
else might find it interesting, or have similar ideas, or have
an opposing idea with good arguments to change my mind?
I don't give a damn about your mind. Creationist cretins almost always
have
solid oak from ear to ear and _will not_ change.
Now, there may be lurkers who aren't set in their ways, and who can
look
at
who gives reasons and who makes valid arguments... and who doesn't.
Or maybe there are people who have experienced things
in a way that most people haven't and don't get a lot of
validation because their ideas are not mainstream while still
useful.
You've had a chance to state your reasons for saying what you do.
You've
dodged it with Lenny several times and with me once.
Did I say anything that suggested that my ideas should be
considered in a more favorable light than anyone else's?
yes. See your handle.
Do you read before you post your one note responses. I
watched you do that to Mark Ernest,
Aah... who's Mark Ernest? Do you have a Google URL showing even post
I've
made in reply to him? I did a Google search 'cause I didn't remember
even
seeing that name. I used
<http://www.google.com/groups?as_oq=Mark%20Ernest&safe=images&ie=UTF-8&oe=UT
F-
8&as_uauthors=patrickjames@newsguy.com&lr=&hl=en> and found nada.
I suspect that you've mistaken me for someone else.
who is sincere and
who added to my understanding of another point of view.
What do you contribute?
Stomping creationists.
I'm sure you have interests in
something, why don't you find a place where you can share
and be part of something bigger than your self...
I already have. Stomping creationists.
--
Si hoc legere scis nimium eruditionis habes
What does the handle "NotSoQuick" have to do
with pretending to be special? And you don't speak
for anyone else. So don't try to intimidate people by
talking about "what 'we' think".
you still haven't answered my question. I answered yours. Do be a good lad
and _try_ to answer mine _before_ demanding _additional_ answers.
Let me repeat it again (so that you can dodge it for a _third_ time)
Why should the rest of the world give a damn about your religious
opinions?
And when you answer that one, you might also let me know who the hell
'Mark
Ernest' is/was, and why you think that I was mean to him.
And you might explain why your evident lack of education should be of any
interest to anyone in general and to me in particular.
These are simple enoough questions. I trust that I was able to phrase them
simply enough for even a creationist cretin to understand them. I tried to
avoid big words, but had to use a few. Still, you should be able to get a
10-year-old to explain the multisyllable ones to you. Let's see you dodge
the
questions. Again.
--
Si hoc legere scis nimium eruditionis habes
I really don't have time to play with you right now.
If you'd like to list your education so that those who
choose to can be impressed, be my guest. You might
tell me how "NotSoQuick" made you think I was
acting superior, since that was the basis of your personal
attack.
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| User: "\Rev Dr\ Lenny Flank" |
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| Title: Re: Do creationists have brick walls in their minds? |
13 Feb 2004 07:06:54 PM |
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Not so quick wrote:
"Patrick James" <patjames@newsguy.com> wrote in message
news:0001HW.BC52D7F900089307F04885B0@enews.newsguy.com...
On Fri, 13 Feb 2004 18:42:49 -0500, Not so quick wrote
(in message <X7dXb.40284$QJ3.14511@fed1read04>):
"Patrick James" <patjames@newsguy.com> wrote in message
news:0001HW.BC52BCC5000232F0F02845B0@enews.newsguy.com...
On Fri, 13 Feb 2004 15:47:55 -0500, Not so quick wrote
(in message <7MaXb.40275$QJ3.31629@fed1read04>):
"Patrick James" <patjames@newsguy.com> wrote in message
news:0001HW.BC524B41003E24CDF02845B0@enews.newsguy.com...
On Thu, 12 Feb 2004 22:58:16 -0500, Not so quick wrote
(in message <a4XWb.39440$QJ3.5286@fed1read04>):
""Rev Dr" Lenny Flank" <lflank_nospam@ij.net> wrote in message
news:402c1557$1_4@corp.newsgroups.com...
Not so quick wrote:
To me, honestly as I can be right now, my internal experience
with an intelligence and greater goodness and more human being
is very important.
Thanks for sharing your religious opibnions with us. Why is the
rets
of
the world obligated to accept them, follow them, or pay any
attention
at
all to them?
Maybe prayer should be banned in classes but do you really think
that a child giving a valedictorian speech should be banned from
mentioning their religion? A child can get in trouble for say
"God."
That's not right. And should tax money for schools only go to the
places that don't want religion taught, or should parents have the
choice of how their education dollars are spent? Are you saying
that religious people's tax dollars should be taken from them to
be spent on an education that goes against their beliefs?
Yes.
===============================================
Lenny Flank
"There are no loose threads in the web of life"
Creation "Science" Debunked:
http://www.geocities.com/lflank
DebunkCreation Email list:
http://www.groups.yahoo.com/group/DebunkCreation
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http://www.newsfeeds.com - The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World!
-----== Over 100,000 Newsgroups - 19 Different Servers! =-----
Please don't waste you time reading or replying to
my posts.
I see that you have no answers to his question: Why _should_ the rest
of
the
world give a damn about _your_ religions opinions?
--
Si hoc legere scis nimium eruditionis habes
Why should anyone care about your question?
Simple. Unless you can tell us why we should pay more attention to
_your_
religious opinions than those of (for example) Lenny's pizza delivery
boy,
or
the Pope, or Osamni ben Laden, we're not at all likely to take you
seriously.
You have again dodged the question. Why _should_ anyone give a damn
about
_your_ religious opinions. Pray be specific.
Do
you think it is especially profound?
Not really. I just think that it's basic. If you refuse to say why we
should
listen to you, we're not likely to listen to you. Even a creationist
cretin
should be able to figure that out. You're now the _second_ creationist
cretin
in two days whose intelligence I've overestimated. I must try to do
better.
I looked up the
meaning to your Latin quote and found it to be a waste
of time.
How sad. I had to learn Latin in school and found it to be a statement
of
the
obvious.
You could say the same thing to everyone that posted
about any subject on any newsgroup.
Nope.
What do you think
is necessary for someone to post?
To expose creationist cretins for the dolts that they are.
Maybe that someone
else might find it interesting, or have similar ideas, or have
an opposing idea with good arguments to change my mind?
I don't give a damn about your mind. Creationist cretins almost always
have
solid oak from ear to ear and _will not_ change.
Now, there may be lurkers who aren't set in their ways, and who can
look
at
who gives reasons and who makes valid arguments... and who doesn't.
Or maybe there are people who have experienced things
in a way that most people haven't and don't get a lot of
validation because their ideas are not mainstream while still
useful.
You've had a chance to state your reasons for saying what you do.
You've
dodged it with Lenny several times and with me once.
Did I say anything that suggested that my ideas should be
considered in a more favorable light than anyone else's?
yes. See your handle.
Do you read before you post your one note responses. I
watched you do that to Mark Ernest,
Aah... who's Mark Ernest? Do you have a Google URL showing even post
I've
made in reply to him? I did a Google search 'cause I didn't remember
even
seeing that name. I used
<http://www.google.com/groups?as_oq=Mark%20Ernest&safe=images&ie=UTF-8&oe=UT
F-
8&as_uauthors=patrickjames@newsguy.com&lr=&hl=en> and found nada.
I suspect that you've mistaken me for someone else.
who is sincere and
who added to my understanding of another point of view.
What do you contribute?
Stomping creationists.
I'm sure you have interests in
something, why don't you find a place where you can share
and be part of something bigger than your self...
I already have. Stomping creationists.
--
Si hoc legere scis nimium eruditionis habes
What does the handle "NotSoQuick" have to do
with pretending to be special? And you don't speak
for anyone else. So don't try to intimidate people by
talking about "what 'we' think".
you still haven't answered my question. I answered yours. Do be a good lad
and _try_ to answer mine _before_ demanding _additional_ answers.
Let me repeat it again (so that you can dodge it for a _third_ time)
Why should the rest of the world give a damn about your religious
opinions?
And when you answer that one, you might also let me know who the hell
'Mark
Ernest' is/was, and why you think that I was mean to him.
And you might explain why your evident lack of education should be of any
interest to anyone in general and to me in particular.
These are simple enoough questions. I trust that I was able to phrase them
simply enough for even a creationist cretin to understand them. I tried to
avoid big words, but had to use a few. Still, you should be able to get a
10-year-old to explain the multisyllable ones to you. Let's see you dodge
the
questions. Again.
--
Si hoc legere scis nimium eruditionis habes
I really don't have time to play with you right now.
Translation from the fundie-speak: "I can't answer your question; I'm
really pissed at you for asking it; and now I'm looking for a good way
to direct attention away from the fact that I still haven't answered it."
Why is it that fundies ALWAYS have time to POST their drivel, but NEVER
have time to DEFEND any of it . . . . . . . ?
===============================================
Lenny Flank
"There are no loose threads in the web of life"
Creation "Science" Debunked:
http://www.geocities.com/lflank
DebunkCreation Email list:
http://www.groups.yahoo.com/group/DebunkCreation
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| User: "Patrick James" |
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| Title: Re: Do creationists have brick walls in their minds? |
13 Feb 2004 07:50:55 PM |
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On Fri, 13 Feb 2004 20:06:54 -0500, Rev Dr\ Lenny Flank wrote
(in message <402d753c$1_4@corp.newsgroups.com>):
I really don't have time to play with you right now.
Translation from the fundie-speak: "I can't answer your question; I'm
really pissed at you for asking it; and now I'm looking for a good way
to direct attention away from the fact that I still haven't answered it."
Why is it that fundies ALWAYS have time to POST their drivel, but NEVER
have time to DEFEND any of it . . . . . . . ?
The best part is when he said:
"You might tell me how "NotSoQuick" made you think I was
acting superior, since that was the basis of your personal
attack."
My _entire_ 'personal attack' on the matter consisted of:
"> Did I say anything that suggested that my ideas should be
considered in a more favorable light than anyone else's?
yes. See your handle."
Man, that was vicous. Cruel. Totally beyond the pale. And he won't answer the
questions I asked _before_ I made that Utterly Evil(tm) attack until _after_
I answer him to his satisfaction... despite my answering all of his earlier
questions, presumably to his satisfaction 'cause he ain't objected to any of
my answers!
I guess that I'm just a Bad Boy(tm).
That, or Not So Bright is a clueless fundie moron. Pick one.
Hey, Not So Bright, those questions you keep evading:
Why should the rest of the world give a damn about your religious opinions?
And when you answer that one, you might also let me know who the hell 'Mark
Ernest' is/was, and why you think that I was mean to him.
And you might explain why your evident lack of education should be of any
interest to anyone in general and to me in particular.
Come on, boy, show us that you can answer them. NWM seems to have gone off to
sulk somewhere, and I need a new cretin to play with.
--
Si hoc legere scis nimium eruditionis habes
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| User: "Not so quick" |
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| Title: Re: Do creationists have brick walls in their minds? |
13 Feb 2004 08:59:50 PM |
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Dear Foster Child,
I do not think that anyone should be interested
in my opinions, especially. That is what's cool
about news groups. I can read what I like and
disregard the rest. Is that a problem for you. Is
there something else that is bothering you.
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| User: "\Rev Dr\ Lenny Flank" |
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| Title: Re: Do creationists have brick walls in their minds? |
16 Feb 2004 06:24:27 PM |
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Not so quick wrote:
Dear Foster Child,
I do not think that anyone should be interested
in my opinions, especially.
Then shut the ***** up about them. <shrug>
===============================================
Lenny Flank
"There are no loose threads in the web of life"
Creation "Science" Debunked:
http://www.geocities.com/lflank
DebunkCreation Email list:
http://www.groups.yahoo.com/group/DebunkCreation
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| User: "Patrick James" |
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| Title: Re: Do creationists have brick walls in their minds? |
13 Feb 2004 09:50:53 PM |
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On Fri, 13 Feb 2004 21:59:50 -0500, Not so quick wrote
(in message <OcgXb.40430$QJ3.11863@fed1read04>):
Dear Foster Child,
I ain't no child of yours, boyo.
I do not think that anyone should be interested
in my opinions, especially.
Still dodging, eh. Thought so.
That is what's cool
about news groups. I can read what I like and
disregard the rest. Is that a problem for you.
Nope.
Is
there something else that is bothering you.
I'm having fun. You're busy dodging.
--
Si hoc legere scis nimium eruditionis habes
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| User: "Patrick James" |
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| Title: Re: Do creationists have brick walls in their minds? |
13 Feb 2004 07:09:32 PM |
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On Fri, 13 Feb 2004 19:43:37 -0500, Not so quick wrote
(in message <2deXb.40366$QJ3.25809@fed1read04>):
"Patrick James" <patjames@newsguy.com> wrote in message
news:0001HW.BC52D7F900089307F04885B0@enews.newsguy.com...
On Fri, 13 Feb 2004 18:42:49 -0500, Not so quick wrote
(in message <X7dXb.40284$QJ3.14511@fed1read04>):
"Patrick James" <patjames@newsguy.com> wrote in message
news:0001HW.BC52BCC5000232F0F02845B0@enews.newsguy.com...
On Fri, 13 Feb 2004 15:47:55 -0500, Not so quick wrote
(in message <7MaXb.40275$QJ3.31629@fed1read04>):
"Patrick James" <patjames@newsguy.com> wrote in message
news:0001HW.BC524B41003E24CDF02845B0@enews.newsguy.com...
On Thu, 12 Feb 2004 22:58:16 -0500, Not so quick wrote
(in message <a4XWb.39440$QJ3.5286@fed1read04>):
""Rev Dr" Lenny Flank" <lflank_nospam@ij.net> wrote in message
news:402c1557$1_4@corp.newsgroups.com...
Not so quick wrote:
To me, honestly as I can be right now, my internal experience
with an intelligence and greater goodness and more human being
is very important.
Thanks for sharing your religious opibnions with us. Why is the
rets
of
the world obligated to accept them, follow them, or pay any
attention
at
all to them?
Maybe prayer should be banned in classes but do you really think
that a child giving a valedictorian speech should be banned from
mentioning their religion? A child can get in trouble for say
"God."
That's not right. And should tax money for schools only go to the
places that don't want religion taught, or should parents have the
choice of how their education dollars are spent? Are you saying
that religious people's tax dollars should be taken from them to
be spent on an education that goes against their beliefs?
Yes.
===============================================
Lenny Flank
"There are no loose threads in the web of life"
Creation "Science" Debunked:
http://www.geocities.com/lflank
DebunkCreation Email list:
http://www.groups.yahoo.com/group/DebunkCreation
-----= Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News =-----
http://www.newsfeeds.com - The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World!
-----== Over 100,000 Newsgroups - 19 Different Servers! =-----
Please don't waste you time reading or replying to
my posts.
I see that you have no answers to his question: Why _should_ the rest
of
the
world give a damn about _your_ religions opinions?
--
Si hoc legere scis nimium eruditionis habes
Why should anyone care about your question?
Simple. Unless you can tell us why we should pay more attention to
_your_
religious opinions than those of (for example) Lenny's pizza delivery
boy,
or
the Pope, or Osamni ben Laden, we're not at all likely to take you
seriously.
You have again dodged the question. Why _should_ anyone give a damn
about
_your_ religious opinions. Pray be specific.
Do
you think it is especially profound?
Not really. I just think that it's basic. If you refuse to say why we
should
listen to you, we're not likely to listen to you. Even a creationist
cretin
should be able to figure that out. You're now the _second_ creationist
cretin
in two days whose intelligence I've overestimated. I must try to do
better.
I looked up the
meaning to your Latin quote and found it to be a waste
of time.
How sad. I had to learn Latin in school and found it to be a statement
of
the
obvious.
You could say the same thing to everyone that posted
about any subject on any newsgroup.
Nope.
What do you think
is necessary for someone to post?
To expose creationist cretins for the dolts that they are.
Maybe that someone
else might find it interesting, or have similar ideas, or have
an opposing idea with good arguments to change my mind?
I don't give a damn about your mind. Creationist cretins almost always
have
solid oak from ear to ear and _will not_ change.
Now, there may be lurkers who aren't set in their ways, and who can
look
at
who gives reasons and who makes valid arguments... and who doesn't.
Or maybe there are people who have experienced things
in a way that most people haven't and don't get a lot of
validation because their ideas are not mainstream while still
useful.
You've had a chance to state your reasons for saying what you do.
You've
dodged it with Lenny several times and with me once.
Did I say anything that suggested that my ideas should be
considered in a more favorable light than anyone else's?
yes. See your handle.
Do you read before you post your one note responses. I
watched you do that to Mark Ernest,
Aah... who's Mark Ernest? Do you have a Google URL showing even post
I've
made in reply to him? I did a Google search 'cause I didn't remember
even
seeing that name. I used
<http://www.google.com/groups?as_oq=Mark%20Ernest&safe=images&ie=UTF-8&oe=UT
F-
8&as_uauthors=patrickjames@newsguy.com&lr=&hl=en> and found nada.
I suspect that you've mistaken me for someone else.
who is sincere and
who added to my understanding of another point of view.
What do you contribute?
Stomping creationists.
I'm sure you have interests in
something, why don't you find a place where you can share
and be part of something bigger than your self...
I already have. Stomping creationists.
--
Si hoc legere scis nimium eruditionis habes
What does the handle "NotSoQuick" have to do
with pretending to be special? And you don't speak
for anyone else. So don't try to intimidate people by
talking about "what 'we' think".
you still haven't answered my question. I answered yours. Do be a good lad
and _try_ to answer mine _before_ demanding _additional_ answers.
Let me repeat it again (so that you can dodge it for a _third_ time)
Why should the rest of the world give a damn about your religious
opinions?
And when you answer that one, you might also let me know who the hell
'Mark
Ernest' is/was, and why you think that I was mean to him.
And you might explain why your evident lack of education should be of any
interest to anyone in general and to me in particular.
These are simple enoough questions. I trust that I was able to phrase them
simply enough for even a creationist cretin to understand them. I tried to
avoid big words, but had to use a few. Still, you should be able to get a
10-year-old to explain the multisyllable ones to you. Let's see you dodge
the
questions. Again.
--
Si hoc legere scis nimium eruditionis habes
I really don't have time to play with you right now.
If you'd like to list your education so that those who
choose to can be impressed, be my guest. You might
tell me how "NotSoQuick" made you think I was
acting superior, since that was the basis of your personal
attack.
Dodged _again_. I answered you questions, laddie. Answer mine.
--
Si hoc legere scis nimium eruditionis habes
.
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| User: "Not so quick" |
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| Title: Re: Do creationists have brick walls in their minds? |
13 Feb 2004 08:59:55 PM |
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"Patrick James" <patjames@newsguy.com> wrote in message
news:0001HW.BC52DFF2000A716CF04885B0@enews.newsguy.com...
On Fri, 13 Feb 2004 19:43:37 -0500, Not so quick wrote
(in message <2deXb.40366$QJ3.25809@fed1read04>):
"Patrick James" <patjames@newsguy.com> wrote in message
news:0001HW.BC52D7F900089307F04885B0@enews.newsguy.com...
On Fri, 13 Feb 2004 18:42:49 -0500, Not so quick wrote
(in message <X7dXb.40284$QJ3.14511@fed1read04>):
"Patrick James" <patjames@newsguy.com> wrote in message
news:0001HW.BC52BCC5000232F0F02845B0@enews.newsguy.com...
On Fri, 13 Feb 2004 15:47:55 -0500, Not so quick wrote
(in message <7MaXb.40275$QJ3.31629@fed1read04>):
"Patrick James" <patjames@newsguy.com> wrote in message
news:0001HW.BC524B41003E24CDF02845B0@enews.newsguy.com...
On Thu, 12 Feb 2004 22:58:16 -0500, Not so quick wrote
(in message <a4XWb.39440$QJ3.5286@fed1read04>):
""Rev Dr" Lenny Flank" <lflank_nospam@ij.net> wrote in message
news:402c1557$1_4@corp.newsgroups.com...
Not so quick wrote:
To me, honestly as I can be right now, my internal experience
with an intelligence and greater goodness and more human being
is very important.
Thanks for sharing your religious opibnions with us. Why is the
rets
of
the world obligated to accept them, follow them, or pay any
attention
at
all to them?
Maybe prayer should be banned in classes but do you really think
that a child giving a valedictorian speech should be banned from
mentioning their religion? A child can get in trouble for say
"God."
That's not right. And should tax money for schools only go to
the
places that don't want religion taught, or should parents have
the
choice of how their education dollars are spent? Are you saying
that religious people's tax dollars should be taken from them to
be spent on an education that goes against their beliefs?
Yes.
===============================================
Lenny Flank
"There are no loose threads in the web of life"
Creation "Science" Debunked:
http://www.geocities.com/lflank
DebunkCreation Email list:
http://www.groups.yahoo.com/group/DebunkCreation
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Please don't waste you time reading or replying to
my posts.
I see that you have no answers to his question: Why _should_ the
rest
of
the
world give a damn about _your_ religions opinions?
--
Si hoc legere scis nimium eruditionis habes
Why should anyone care about your question?
Simple. Unless you can tell us why we should pay more attention to
_your_
religious opinions than those of (for example) Lenny's pizza delivery
boy,
or
the Pope, or Osamni ben Laden, we're not at all likely to take you
seriously.
You have again dodged the question. Why _should_ anyone give a damn
about
_your_ religious opinions. Pray be specific.
Do
you think it is especially profound?
Not really. I just think that it's basic. If you refuse to say why we
should
listen to you, we're not likely to listen to you. Even a creationist
cretin
should be able to figure that out. You're now the _second_
creationist
cretin
in two days whose intelligence I've overestimated. I must try to do
better.
I looked up the
meaning to your Latin quote and found it to be a waste
of time.
How sad. I had to learn Latin in school and found it to be a
statement
of
the
obvious.
You could say the same thing to everyone that posted
about any subject on any newsgroup.
Nope.
What do you think
is necessary for someone to post?
To expose creationist cretins for the dolts that they are.
Maybe that someone
else might find it interesting, or have similar ideas, or have
an opposing idea with good arguments to change my mind?
I don't give a damn about your mind. Creationist cretins almost
always
have
solid oak from ear to ear and _will not_ change.
Now, there may be lurkers who aren't set in their ways, and who can
look
at
who gives reasons and who makes valid arguments... and who doesn't.
Or maybe there are people who have experienced things
in a way that most people haven't and don't get a lot of
validation because their ideas are not mainstream while still
useful.
You've had a chance to state your reasons for saying what you do.
You've
dodged it with Lenny several times and with me once.
Did I say anything that suggested that my ideas should be
considered in a more favorable light than anyone else's?
yes. See your handle.
Do you read before you post your one note responses. I
watched you do that to Mark Ernest,
Aah... who's Mark Ernest? Do you have a Google URL showing even post
I've
made in reply to him? I did a Google search 'cause I didn't remember
even
seeing that name. I used
<http://www.google.com/groups?as_oq=Mark%20Ernest&safe=images&ie=UTF-8&oe=UT
F-
8&as_uauthors=patrickjames@newsguy.com&lr=&hl=en> and found nada.
I suspect that you've mistaken me for someone else.
who is sincere and
who added to my understanding of another point of view.
What do you contribute?
Stomping creationists.
I'm sure you have interests in
something, why don't you find a place where you can share
and be part of something bigger than your self...
I already have. Stomping creationists.
--
Si hoc legere scis nimium eruditionis habes
What does the handle "NotSoQuick" have to do
with pretending to be special? And you don't speak
for anyone else. So don't try to intimidate people by
talking about "what 'we' think".
you still haven't answered my question. I answered yours. Do be a good
lad
and _try_ to answer mine _before_ demanding _additional_ answers.
Let me repeat it again (so that you can dodge it for a _third_ time)
Why should the rest of the world give a damn about your religious
opinions?
And when you answer that one, you might also let me know who the hell
'Mark
Ernest' is/was, and why you think that I was mean to him.
And you might explain why your evident lack of education should be of
any
interest to anyone in general and to me in particular.
These are simple enoough questions. I trust that I was able to phrase
them
simply enough for even a creationist cretin to understand them. I tried
to
avoid big words, but had to use a few. Still, yo | | | | | | | | | |