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"Rob Wade" |
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17 Nov 2005 09:48:58 PM |
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Do Gays Live Long Healthy Lives? |
Do Gays Live Long Healthy Lives?
As early as 1858, G. Tardieu reported on the age distribution of males
imprisoned in France for sodomy. Of the 216 whose ages were given,with
the age range from under 15 to 69, there was a median age of under 25.
Futhermore, if you eliminated all under 18, the median age rises to
almost 40.
In 1914, M. Hirschfeld reported on German males convicted of
involvement in sodomy. The age distribution ranged from under 15 to
over 50, with the median of 24 years. Since "over 50" was the last
category, we cannot determine just how many, if any, attained the age
of 65. But only 9 % were over 50.
In the late 1930s and 1940s, Kinsey and his investigators spent more
than 12 years seeking out and interviewing homosexuals. Because Kinsey
and his colleagues were regarded as sexual liberators, homosexuals were
eager to volunteer for his study. There is no reason to believe that
his sample was not representative of all age groups available. Yet
fewer than 1% of his homosexuals, male as well as female, were over the
age of 65.
The Mattachine Society, the earliest of the "gay rights" organizations,
gathered together a representative group of homosexuals for Evelyn
Hooker to study in her highly influential 1950s study. The oldest of
the 30 subjects was 50, the next oldest was 44, and the median age was
33.
In the early 1960s, Berger attempted to draw a sampling of elderly
homosexuals, but had to begin his scale at 40 years and only 34 of 112
were over the age of 59.
From 1969 through 1970, the Kinsey Institute surveyed homosexuals in
San Francisco. Although they recruited respondents in eight different
catagories, only 23% of male homosexuals and only 18% of lesbians were
over the age of 45, despite the fact that the investigators tried for
25% from this age group. Their initial decision to draw only a quarter
of their sampling from homosexuals over 45 indicates they already knew
the problem existed, and they ended up omitting figures on age
distribution from their report.
In 1977, the largest survey of homosexuals reported 0.2% of lesbians
and 0.8% of homosexual males were age 65 or older.
The Spada Report: The Newest Survey of Gay Male Sexuality, in 1978,
reported the median age was 30, with only 2.5% over age 65. J. Spada
was openly homosexual and polled 1,022 male homosexuals by mail.
An openly lesbian M. Mendola, in 1979, polled 405 homosexuals by mail.
The median age of those polled was 34, and only 10% were 50 or over.
Source: The Mendola Report: A New Look at Gay Couples.
From the mid 1970s' to the early 1980s, interest in Gay Bowel Syndrome,
sexually transmitted diseases, and hepatitis B generated a number of
samples of the homosexual population.
- From 1977 through 1979, 102 homosexuals case histories were collected
in Seattle and the oldest was 58.
- In 1979, 101 homosexuals who belonged to a group restricted to those
over 40 was reported, and only 21 were over age 65.
- Also in 1979, 5,324 homosexual visitors to Denver's STD clinic had a
median age of 27, a mean age of 28.5 and the oldest was 67.
- In 1982, only one of 103 homosexuals examined in San Francisco was
over the age of 65.
In 1994, an obituary study revealed that the median age of death for
homosexual males was 42 and for lesbians was 49. Source: Cameron,
Playfair, Wellum, " The Longevity of Homosexuals: Before and After the
AIDS Epidemic, " Omega Journal of Death and Dying," 1994.
Pedro Zamora, 22, a well-known AIDS educator and a cast member of
"The Real World" on MTV, died of complications from AIDS today at Mercy
Hospital in Miami. Partly because he was among few young people
speaking out about AIDS, partly because of his heart throb looks and
easy manner, Zamora became one of the most sought-after speakers on the
disease after he tested positive for HIV, the virus that causes AIDS,
in 1989 at the age of 17. He took his prevention message into American
living rooms as a young gay man with HIV on "The Real World." He
would tell students that he got the virus through unprotected sex and
that he would probably not live to reach 30. Before a television
appearance in New York last August, Zamora fell ill with a neurological
disorder, progressive multifocal leukoencephalopathy, which causes
rapid deterioration. He had been hospitalized since October 14th.
Source: Mireya Navarro, "Life of 22 years ends, but not before many
heard message on AIDS, The New York Times; November 12, 1994.
AIDS became the leading cause of death among men from 25 to 44 in
1992 (in the U.S.). More than 250,000 people have died from AIDS or
AIDS-related causes. About 75% of cases have been reported in the 25-44
age group. AIDS is also the leading cause of death in men and women
in 79 of 169 American cities with population greater than 100,000. In
the northeastern United States, where the rate of infection is higher
among intravenous drug users than it is among gay men, the incidence of
AIDS continues to rise. Although the AIDS epidemic seems to have
stabilized among gay men in some areas of the country, there is
evidence of a future second wave in that group, Dr. Jaffe said. He
cited recent studies in San Francisco, Denver and Chicago showing an
incidence of 2 to 3 % a year for new infections in gay men, a high
number. Source: Lawrence K. Altman, " AIDS is now the leading killer
of Americans from 25 to 44," The New York Times; January 31, 1995.
Nick Mattsson, as a gay man in his late 20's, has never really known
love or dating outside the shadow of AIDS and, though he knew few sick
people, he associated being gay with getting AIDS and dying young. In
San Francisco, two gay newspapers refused for a while to carry ads for
HIV-negative groups, and in New York, there is much eye-rolling, if not
outright hostility. "My lover was like: 'What are you going to talk
about,'" said one participant whose partner is HIV-positive. "Long-term
retirement plans? 401(K)'s?" Despite optimism over available
treatments, there will be no cure anytime soon. And with evidence that
infection rates are rising among young men, the focus can no longer be
solely on people with HIV. There is only one way, the thinking goes, to
prevent another generation of gay men from dying. Troy Masters, the
publisher of LGNY, a biweekly lesbian and gay newspaper in New York,
who is HIV-positive, said "It (is) cool to be HIV-positive and it
shouldn't be." Some will live, and others will die long before their
time, and that the worries of men who do not have HIV are valid. Some
of the (gay) men (coming into clinics or support groups) came in
because they had a drug or alcohol problem, others because they were
having unsafe sex, others because they just needed to talk about their
lives as gay men and could not afford therapy. Mattsson joined a group
because he recognized that the sex he was having was unsafe and "out of
control." Marc Davis, an equities analyst who is 29, joined (a group)
largely because he was having an escalating problem with cocaine. Ben
Stilp, 26, the communications director for the Lesbian and Gay
Community Services Center, said he joined a group as a result of two
strains in his life: a problem with drugs and, for the first time,
meeting men who were infected. One, who became a good friend, was only
30. "This was going to be a battle for my life. And I would have to
change some fundamental things about my life," said Stilp. Source:
Ian Fisher, "To be young, gay, healthy...and alienated; New support
Groups for the HIV-negative handle guilt, fear and isolation, The New
York Times; July 14,1996
Life expectancy for a 20 year old gay or bisexual man is 8 to 20 years
less than the average male. The authors estimate that " nearly half of
gay and bisexual men currently age 20 years will not reach their 65th
birthday." Source: Hogg. RS., Strathdee, SA., Craib, KJP.,
O'Shaughnessy, MV., Montainer, JSG., Schechter, MT., " Modeling the
impact of HIV Disease on Mortality in Gay and Bisexual Men,"
International Journal of Epidemiology, Vol. 26, No. 3, 1997, pp.
657-61.
In 1998, another study using four contemporary databases suggested that
homosexual activity may be associated with a lifespan shortened by 20
to 30 years. Source: Cameron, P., Cameron, K., Playfair, WL., " Does
Homosexual Activity Shorten Life? ", Psychological Reports, 1998, 83,
pp. 847-66.
... (At) its point of origin is Arenas, the writer who, though
vilified in Fedel Castro's Cuba, found international renown before
dying of AIDS at 47 in New York in 1990... a library job enables Arenas
to discover a world of books even as, sexually, he is discovering
men... out of the prevailing sexual hypocristy, with (Cuban) soldiers
engaging freely in homosexual encounters even as, officially, they must
be seen to stamp them out... an amnesty granted in 1980 to
homsexuals... allows Arenas to leave his homeland for the United
States. He ends up in New York, the city of promise and hope and yet
one for him of illness and death. Source: Matt Wolf (Associated
Press), "Gay Cuban writer remembered in 'Before Night Falls,'" Between
the Lines (a gay website), December 28, 2000.
Conclusion:
Study after study reveals that homosexuality, whether male or female,
can take anywhere from 10, 20 to 30 years off of someone's lifespan.
With all the attention on smoking, which the National Cancer Institute
says takes anywhere from 7 to 10 years off someone's life, why not the
same human outcry on homosexuality? Here's a behavior that's killing
people 2 to 3 times the rate of smoking, yet nobody seems to care. In
fact, we are encouraging and affirming individuals into the "gay"
lifestyle. If you truly love someone, you would steer them away from
self-destructive behaviors, rather than towards them, wouldn't you?
Homosexuals need our tough love, not blind love, the kind of love that
is going to love them no matter what they say and do. We must extend
that helping hand and say " I think you're worth saving, let's work on
it together."
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| User: "Mark K. Bilbo" |
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| Title: Re: Do Gays Live Long Healthy Lives? |
18 Nov 2005 12:12:10 AM |
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In <1132264138.646788.291880@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com>, "Rob Wade"
<rob_c_wade_03@yahoo.com> wrote:
Do Gays Live Long Healthy Lives?
Quite a few do. Why? You interested in signing up?
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Mark K. Bilbo
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Forgotten Already
http://makeashorterlink.com/?H1233272C
Feds are treating Louisiana like enemy
"...it may be that they may have written us off."
http://makeashorterlink.com/?O21E51C1C
http://www.nola.com
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| User: "Bock" |
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18 Nov 2005 05:29:56 AM |
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Mark K. Bilbo wrote:
In <1132264138.646788.291880@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com>, "Rob Wade"
<rob_c_wade_03@yahoo.com> wrote:
Do Gays Live Long Healthy Lives?
Quite a few do. Why? You interested in signing up?
Actually, lots of men do and don't live healthy lives regardless of
whether
they are homosexual or heteroseuxal. Living long healthy lives is
dependent on
risks taken and many other factors.
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Mark K. Bilbo
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Forgotten Already
http://makeashorterlink.com/?H1233272C
Feds are treating Louisiana like enemy
"...it may be that they may have written us off."
http://makeashorterlink.com/?O21E51C1C
http://www.nola.com
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| User: "*nemo*" |
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18 Nov 2005 12:15:00 AM |
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In article <1132264138.646788.291880@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com>,
"Rob Wade" <rob_c_wade_03@yahoo.com> wrote:
Do Gays Live Long Healthy Lives?
I know a couple who live up in Delaware. They've been together for about
20 years and are in their late 50's. I don't expect they're in line for
an "unhealthy, early" death. And they're the nicest pair of guys you'd
ever expect to meet.
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Nemo - EAC Commissioner for Bible Belt Underwater Operations.
Atheist #1331 (the Palindrome of doom!)
BAAWA Knight! - One of those warm Southern Knights, y'all!
Charter member, SMASH!!
http://home.earthlink.net/~jehdjh/Relpg.html
Draco Dormiens Nunquam Titillandus
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| User: "Larry Heath" |
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18 Nov 2005 03:08:28 AM |
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"*nemo*" <nemo0037@earthlink.dieSPAM.net> wrote in message
news:nemo0037-09576C.19131417112005@news1.west.earthlink.net...
In article <1132264138.646788.291880@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com>,
"Rob Wade" <rob_c_wade_03@yahoo.com> wrote:
Do Gays Live Long Healthy Lives?
I know a couple who live up in Delaware. They've been together for about
20 years and are in their late 50's. I don't expect they're in line for
an "unhealthy, early" death. And they're the nicest pair of guys you'd
ever expect to meet.
--
Nemo - EAC Commissioner for Bible Belt Underwater Operations.
Atheist #1331 (the Palindrome of doom!)
BAAWA Knight! - One of those warm Southern Knights, y'all!
Charter member, SMASH!!
http://home.earthlink.net/~jehdjh/Relpg.html
Draco Dormiens Nunquam Titillandus
Quotemeister since March 2002
I know a gay couple that is in or close to there 80's. They have never made
any declaration as to there orientation but any reasonable person would make
the assumption they are gay, being they have lived together for at least 45
or 50 years that I know of. Obviously people in this generation didn't make
a habit of announcing there orientation to the world. A long life by any
standard. I would suppose that there are tens of thousands or even hundreds
of thousands of couples just like this.
Later Larry
aa # 2216
"Men never do evil so completely and cheerfully as when they
do it from religious conviction." ~ Blaise Pascal (1623-1662) ~
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| User: "Katt" |
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18 Nov 2005 11:15:26 AM |
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"Larry Heath" <lgheath@comcast.net> wrote in message news:
I know a gay couple that is in or close to there 80's. They have never
made any declaration as to there orientation but any reasonable person
would make the assumption they are gay, being they have lived together for
at least 45 or 50 years that I know of. Obviously people in this
generation didn't make a habit of announcing there orientation to the
world. A long life by any standard. I would suppose that there are tens of
thousands or even hundreds of thousands of couples just like this.
This is all too shocking!!! Have you *any idea* of just how much that
relationship *undermines marriage and the family*...?!?!? Simply by
*posting* a message about two sad deviant perv homo fag gays, you have
caused *11.3 marriages to fail* and *2.6 engaged couples to think about
maybe just 'living together' instead of getting properly married*!!! *Think*
before you post any more of this sad deviant perv homo fag gay crap: do you
*really* want to be responsible for the *end of the world*...?!?!?
Katt.
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| User: "Larry Heath" |
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19 Nov 2005 10:21:30 PM |
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"Katt" <kahgfghttt@t.com> wrote in message
news:iJiff.706$f9.654@newsfe3-win.ntli.net...
"Larry Heath" <lgheath@comcast.net> wrote in message news:
I know a gay couple that is in or close to there 80's. They have never
made any declaration as to there orientation but any reasonable person
would make the assumption they are gay, being they have lived together
for at least 45 or 50 years that I know of. Obviously people in this
generation didn't make a habit of announcing there orientation to the
world. A long life by any standard. I would suppose that there are tens
of thousands or even hundreds of thousands of couples just like this.
This is all too shocking!!! Have you *any idea* of just how much that
relationship *undermines marriage and the family*...?!?!? Simply by
*posting* a message about two sad deviant perv homo fag gays, you have
caused *11.3 marriages to fail* and *2.6 engaged couples to think about
maybe just 'living together' instead of getting properly married*!!!
Sounds good to me. Most of them probably shouldn't have gotten married in
the first place, you know!
Poor sad straights, just can't seem to keep a marriage going for any length
of time now days. What the US is pushing close to 50% divorce rate now days?
Know what else most of those are them Christian bunch that said for ever and
ever amen.
Have fun Katt.
Later Larry
aa # 2216
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| User: "Boy Toy" |
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20 Nov 2005 12:11:46 AM |
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On Sat, 19 Nov 2005 17:21:30 -0500, "Larry Heath"
<lgheath@comcast.net> wrote in message
<q-SdncNo5bv2OOLenZ2dnUVZ_v6dnZ2d@comcast.com>
"Katt" <kahgfghttt@t.com> wrote in message
news:iJiff.706$f9.654@newsfe3-win.ntli.net...
"Larry Heath" <lgheath@comcast.net> wrote in message news:
I know a gay couple that is in or close to there 80's. They have never
made any declaration as to there orientation but any reasonable person
would make the assumption they are gay, being they have lived together
for at least 45 or 50 years that I know of. Obviously people in this
generation didn't make a habit of announcing there orientation to the
world. A long life by any standard. I would suppose that there are tens
of thousands or even hundreds of thousands of couples just like this.
This is all too shocking!!! Have you *any idea* of just how much that
relationship *undermines marriage and the family*...?!?!? Simply by
*posting* a message about two sad deviant perv homo fag gays, you have
caused *11.3 marriages to fail* and *2.6 engaged couples to think about
maybe just 'living together' instead of getting properly married*!!!
Sounds good to me. Most of them probably shouldn't have gotten married in
the first place, you know!
Poor sad straights, just can't seem to keep a marriage going for any length
of time now days. What the US is pushing close to 50% divorce rate now days?
Know what else most of those are them Christian bunch that said for ever and
ever amen.
Have fun Katt.
Later Larry
aa # 2216
I had to laugh when a study by a Brana Research Group (a
christian-oriented reasearch group,) showed "born again christians"
and conservatives were by far the most likely to get divorced among
the various religios, whereas athiests and agnostics were among the
least likely to be divorced. Sample size 3,854 adults in the lower
48, margin of error 2%. Moreover, among the "born agains," 90% of the
divorces occurred *after* they have been "saved."
According to Barna "We rarely find substantial differences" between
the moral behavior of Christians and non-Christians.
Let the christians talk about family values all they want. Just don't
follow their example.
http://www.religioustolerance.org/chr_dira.htm
Non-denominational (small groups; independents) 34%
Baptists 29%
Mainline Protestants 25%
Mormons 24%
Catholics 21%
Lutherans 21%
This is opposed to the figure of 0.00256% quoted by a rep of the
sourther baptist convention.
"According to the Dallas Morning News, a Dallas TX newspaper, the
national study "raised eyebrows, sowed confusion, [and] even brought
on a little holy anger." This caused George Barna to write a letter
to his supporters, saying that he is standing by his data, even though
it is upsetting. He said that "We rarely find substantial differences"
between the moral behavior of Christians and non-Christians. Barna
Project Director Meg Flammang said: "We would love to be able to
report that Christians are living very distinct lives and impacting
the community, but ... in the area of divorce rates they continue to
be the same." Both statements seem to be projecting the belief that
conservative Christians, liberal Christians have the same divorce
rate. This disagrees with their own data [that their divorce rates are
actually higher.]"
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| User: "martin" |
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18 Nov 2005 12:59:29 PM |
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Katt wrote:
"Larry Heath" <lgheath@comcast.net> wrote in message news:
I know a gay couple that is in or close to there 80's. They have never
made any declaration as to there orientation but any reasonable person
would make the assumption they are gay, being they have lived together for
at least 45 or 50 years that I know of. Obviously people in this
generation didn't make a habit of announcing there orientation to the
world. A long life by any standard. I would suppose that there are tens of
thousands or even hundreds of thousands of couples just like this.
This is all too shocking!!! Have you *any idea* of just how much that
relationship *undermines marriage and the family*...?!?!? Simply by
*posting* a message about two sad deviant perv homo fag gays, you have
caused *11.3 marriages to fail* and *2.6 engaged couples to think about
maybe just 'living together' instead of getting properly married*!!! *Think*
before you post any more of this sad deviant perv homo fag gay crap: do you
*really* want to be responsible for the *end of the world*...?!?!?
don't /you/ start *grins*
Katt.
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| User: "Carl Kaufmann" |
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| Title: AQotM (was Re: Do Gays Live Long Healthy Lives?) |
18 Nov 2005 08:34:38 PM |
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Katt wrote:
"Larry Heath" <lgheath@comcast.net> wrote in message news:
I know a gay couple that is in or close to there 80's. They have never
made any declaration as to there orientation but any reasonable person
would make the assumption they are gay, being they have lived together for
at least 45 or 50 years that I know of. Obviously people in this
generation didn't make a habit of announcing there orientation to the
world. A long life by any standard. I would suppose that there are tens of
thousands or even hundreds of thousands of couples just like this.
<nomination>
This is all too shocking!!! Have you *any idea* of just how much that
relationship *undermines marriage and the family*...?!?!? Simply by
*posting* a message about two sad deviant perv homo fag gays, you have
caused *11.3 marriages to fail* and *2.6 engaged couples to think about
maybe just 'living together' instead of getting properly married*!!! *Think*
before you post any more of this sad deviant perv homo fag gay crap: do you
*really* want to be responsible for the *end of the world*...?!?!?
</nomination>
Katt.
Carl
a.a. #1966
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| User: "Gail Futoran" |
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| Title: Re: AQotM (was Re: Do Gays Live Long Healthy Lives?) |
18 Nov 2005 09:09:09 PM |
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"Carl Kaufmann" <ckaufmann@cox.net> wrote in message
news:iVqff.7199$rB3.2271@dukeread02...
Katt wrote:
"Larry Heath" <lgheath@comcast.net> wrote in message news:
I know a gay couple that is in or close to there 80's. They have never
made any declaration as to there orientation but any reasonable person
would make the assumption they are gay, being they have lived together
for at least 45 or 50 years that I know of. Obviously people in this
generation didn't make a habit of announcing there orientation to the
world. A long life by any standard. I would suppose that there are tens
of thousands or even hundreds of thousands of couples just like this.
<nomination>
This is all too shocking!!! Have you *any idea* of just how much that
relationship *undermines marriage and the family*...?!?!? Simply by
*posting* a message about two sad deviant perv homo fag gays, you have
caused *11.3 marriages to fail* and *2.6 engaged couples to think about
maybe just 'living together' instead of getting properly married*!!!
*Think* before you post any more of this sad deviant perv homo fag gay
crap: do you *really* want to be responsible for the *end of the
world*...?!?!?
</nomination>
Katt.
Carl
a.a. #1966
Second! :)
Gail
aa #2247
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| User: "*nemo*" |
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20 Nov 2005 11:01:35 AM |
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In article <Vprff.68450$qk4.8633@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net>,
"Gail Futoran" <futoran@nospam.worldnet.att.net> wrote:
"Carl Kaufmann" <ckaufmann@cox.net> wrote in message
news:iVqff.7199$rB3.2271@dukeread02...
Katt wrote:
"Larry Heath" <lgheath@comcast.net> wrote in message news:
I know a gay couple that is in or close to there 80's. They have never
made any declaration as to there orientation but any reasonable person
would make the assumption they are gay, being they have lived together
for at least 45 or 50 years that I know of. Obviously people in this
generation didn't make a habit of announcing there orientation to the
world. A long life by any standard. I would suppose that there are tens
of thousands or even hundreds of thousands of couples just like this.
<nomination>
This is all too shocking!!! Have you *any idea* of just how much that
relationship *undermines marriage and the family*...?!?!? Simply by
*posting* a message about two sad deviant perv homo fag gays, you have
caused *11.3 marriages to fail* and *2.6 engaged couples to think about
maybe just 'living together' instead of getting properly married*!!!
*Think* before you post any more of this sad deviant perv homo fag gay
crap: do you *really* want to be responsible for the *end of the
world*...?!?!?
</nomination>
Katt.
Carl
a.a. #1966
Second! :)
Recorded. Extra group removed.
Gail
aa #2247
--
Nemo - EAC Commissioner for Bible Belt Underwater Operations.
Atheist #1331 (the Palindrome of doom!)
BAAWA Knight! - One of those warm Southern Knights, y'all!
Charter member, SMASH!!
http://home.earthlink.net/~jehdjh/Relpg.html
Draco Dormiens Nunquam Titillandus
Quotemeister since March 2002
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| User: "Rock" |
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17 Nov 2005 10:03:46 PM |
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STFU, Troll!
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| User: "Politically incorrect" |
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18 Nov 2005 03:38:30 AM |
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You're sure pissing off the queers.
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| User: "William December Starr" |
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18 Nov 2005 07:53:39 AM |
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In article <M0cff.581$Wu.502@fed1read05>,
Politically incorrect <who@aol.com> said:
You're sure pissing off the queers.
And lots of other people too.
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William December Starr <wdstarr@panix.com>
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| User: "BYTE ME!" |
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18 Nov 2005 05:00:25 AM |
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Politically incorrect wrote:
=20
You're sure pissing off the queers.
Yes that would explain why your panties are twisted in a knot, *****.
--=20
Of all the systems of religion that ever were invented, there is none=20
more derogatory to the Almighty, more unedifying to man, more repugnant=20
to reason, and more contradictory in itself, than this thing called=20
Christianity. Too absurd for belief, too impossible to convince, and too =
inconsistent for practice, it renders the heart torpid, or produces only =
atheists and fanatics. As an engine of power, it serves the purpose of=20
despotism; and as a means of wealth, the avarice of priests; but so far=20
as respects the good of man in general, it leads to nothing here or=20
hereafter. =96Thomas Paine
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| User: "Uncle Vic" |
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| Title: Re: Do Gays Live Long Healthy Lives? |
17 Nov 2005 10:53:27 PM |
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on 17 Nov 2005 in alt.atheism, dear sweet Rob Wade
(rob_c_wade_03@yahoo.com) made the light shine upon us with this:
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Do Gays Live Long Healthy Lives?
Why do you make other mens' rectums *your* business? Are you a wannabe?
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Uncle Vic
aa#2011
Supervisor, EAC Department of little adhesive-backed "L" shaped
chrome-plastic doo-dads to add feet to Jesus fish department
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"The world is only 5-6 thousand years old does not mean the planet
earth is only 5-6 thousand years old. There have been many worlds
created and destroyed on this planet. The creation of the planet is
described in Genesis 1. The creation of the world is described in
Genesis 2. Two different kind of creations." --Eric Brze
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| User: "Katt" |
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| Title: Re: Do Gays Live Long Healthy Lives? |
18 Nov 2005 11:06:30 AM |
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"Uncle Vic" <address@withheld.com> wrote in message
news:Xns971197C3F2B00vicman@127.0.0.1...
on 17 Nov 2005 in alt.atheism, dear sweet Rob Wade
(rob_c_wade_03@yahoo.com) made the light shine upon us with this:
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Do Gays Live Long Healthy Lives?
John Schlesinger...?
http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0772259/
Michael Tippett...?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Tippett
Katt.
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| User: "Boy Toy" |
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| Title: Re: Do Gays Live Long Healthy Lives? |
17 Nov 2005 11:03:34 PM |
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On Thu, 17 Nov 2005 16:53:27 -0600, Uncle Vic <address@withheld.com>
wrote in message <Xns971197C3F2B00vicman@127.0.0.1>
on 17 Nov 2005 in alt.atheism, dear sweet Rob Wade
(rob_c_wade_03@yahoo.com) made the light shine upon us with this:
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Do Gays Live Long Healthy Lives?
Why do you make other mens' rectums *your* business? Are you a wannabe?
Oh, I think he's a player! LOL
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| User: "Nightshade" |
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| Title: Re: Do Gays Live Long Healthy Lives? |
19 Nov 2005 08:25:59 PM |
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On Thu, 17 Nov 2005 16:53:27 -0600, Uncle Vic <address@withheld.com>
wrote:
Do Gays Live Long Healthy Lives?
Some do, and some don't, just like anybody else.
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