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Religions > Atheism |
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"quibbler" |
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30 Oct 2004 10:12:04 PM |
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Do it to prove the religious right is wrong |
Evangelicals ludicrously maintain that George W. Bush is an almost
Messianic figure, selected by gawd to rule. If for no other reason,
then atheists who would otherwise consider voting for George W. Bush,
should vote against him to prove these despicable religious nuts wrong.
Atheists, even of the most dyed-in-the-wool, pro-Nixon, pro-Reagan
stripes need to lay aside their old grudges and prove Pat Robertson and
Jerry Falwell wrong.
Atheism may be nothing more than lack of acceptance of conventional
superstitious teachings. But in a world where children are programmed
at youth to accept god myths, this lack of acceptance is still a
revolutionary act.
You have a chance to show that you are really individuals of
superior judgment and greatness. You can fight to take your party back
by rejecting the chief symbol of your religious subjugation -- George W.
Bush. If you strike this blow with us then, like Horatio at the bridge,
you may help turn back the mindless tide of religious lunacy and make
the world safe for atheists in decades to come. You can help embarrass
the religious right forever and with luck banish them from your party in
ignominy and defeat.
I know that in the savage cultural war that has divided us for
decades since the 1960's, there has been such bitterness that many would
deny there is any common brotherhood left between groups like atheists
here in America. But we can be a force to change that. Let us stand
upon the common ground and the common principle that people like Bush,
who threaten our secular state, should not be allowed to lead this
country. Those who undermine the fundamental principles of the
constitution are, by definition, unpatriotic and in that sense Bush is a
bitter enemy of the most important principles that our founders found
and died for.
I believe that this is a leverage point in history and if we push
against Bush now, we may collapse the whole ugly edifice of theocratic
political ascendancy in the US. The whole rational world watches with
cautious optimism and hopes that you all will have the courage to turn
away from supporting the fundamentalist regimes of Bush and his cronies.
--
Quibbler (quibbler247atyahoo.com)
"It is fashionable to wax apocalyptic about the
threat to humanity posed by the AIDS virus, 'mad cow'
disease, and many others, but I think a case can be
made that faith is one of the world's great evils,
comparable to the smallpox virus but harder to
eradicate." -- Richard Dawkins
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| User: "johac" |
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| Title: Re: Do it to prove the religious right is wrong |
31 Oct 2004 02:17:50 AM |
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In article <MPG.1bee054b645a84d8989a5a@news.individual.net>,
quibbler <quibbler247@yahoo.com> wrote:
Evangelicals ludicrously maintain that George W. Bush is an almost
Messianic figure, selected by gawd to rule. If for no other reason,
then atheists who would otherwise consider voting for George W. Bush,
should vote against him to prove these despicable religious nuts wrong.
Atheists, even of the most dyed-in-the-wool, pro-Nixon, pro-Reagan
stripes need to lay aside their old grudges and prove Pat Robertson and
Jerry Falwell wrong.
Atheism may be nothing more than lack of acceptance of conventional
superstitious teachings. But in a world where children are programmed
at youth to accept god myths, this lack of acceptance is still a
revolutionary act.
You have a chance to show that you are really individuals of
superior judgment and greatness. You can fight to take your party back
by rejecting the chief symbol of your religious subjugation -- George W.
Bush. If you strike this blow with us then, like Horatio at the bridge,
you may help turn back the mindless tide of religious lunacy and make
the world safe for atheists in decades to come. You can help embarrass
the religious right forever and with luck banish them from your party in
ignominy and defeat.
I know that in the savage cultural war that has divided us for
decades since the 1960's, there has been such bitterness that many would
deny there is any common brotherhood left between groups like atheists
here in America. But we can be a force to change that. Let us stand
upon the common ground and the common principle that people like Bush,
who threaten our secular state, should not be allowed to lead this
country. Those who undermine the fundamental principles of the
constitution are, by definition, unpatriotic and in that sense Bush is a
bitter enemy of the most important principles that our founders found
and died for.
I believe that this is a leverage point in history and if we push
against Bush now, we may collapse the whole ugly edifice of theocratic
political ascendancy in the US. The whole rational world watches with
cautious optimism and hopes that you all will have the courage to turn
away from supporting the fundamentalist regimes of Bush and his cronies.
I agree with everything that you say except that the defeat of Bush will
not stop the theocrats attempts to steal our country. They are many and
they are powerful. If Bush goes, next time there will be another, and
another, and then another. We have to be on our toes and carry on the
struggle to defeat these cretins whenever they raise their ugly heads.
Wendell Phillips had it right - "Eternal vigilance is the price of
liberty"
--
John Hachmann aa #1782
-The ability to change one's mind, ideas, and opinions when confronted with
new facts is the sign of the rational and intelligent. The inability to do
so is the hallmark of the dimwitted and the fanatic. This applies not only
to science and philosophy, but also to politics.-
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| User: "JTEM" |
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| Title: Re: Do it to prove the religious right is wrong |
31 Oct 2004 03:44:51 AM |
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"johac" <jhachm@ixpres.com> wrote
I agree with everything that you say except that the defeat
of Bush will not stop the theocrats attempts to steal our
country.
It'll have an impact.
"God's chosen candidate" and "Went down in flames" are
rather contradictory.
They are many and they are powerful.
They are a minority, outnumbered by anywhere from 60 to
80 percent of the country.
If Bush goes, next time there will be another, and another,
and then another.
If Bush goes, It'll be the fourth time in a row that Republicans
failed to win a majority, using the lunatic right as a base.
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| User: "johac" |
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| Title: Re: Do it to prove the religious right is wrong |
01 Nov 2004 12:40:36 AM |
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In article <IfadnTNVo7EULxncRVn-tw@comcast.com>,
"JTEM" <gymraven@hotmail.com> wrote:
"johac" <jhachm@ixpres.com> wrote
I agree with everything that you say except that the defeat
of Bush will not stop the theocrats attempts to steal our
country.
It'll have an impact.
"God's chosen candidate" and "Went down in flames" are
rather contradictory.
They are many and they are powerful.
They are a minority, outnumbered by anywhere from 60 to
80 percent of the country.
If Bush goes, next time there will be another, and another,
and then another.
If Bush goes, It'll be the fourth time in a row that Republicans
failed to win a majority, using the lunatic right as a base.
I would like nothing more than to see them kicked out of power, but I
think even if that happens, their are enough of them hanging around in
Congress or in state governments to give us trouble for years to come.
We have to be alert and take part in the process by electing as many
decent candidates to office as we can.
--
John Hachmann aa #1782
-The ability to change one's mind, ideas, and opinions when confronted with
new facts is the sign of the rational and intelligent. The inability to do
so is the hallmark of the dimwitted and the fanatic. This applies not only
to science and philosophy, but also to politics.-
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| User: "quibbler" |
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| Title: Re: Do it to prove the religious right is wrong |
31 Oct 2004 09:03:39 AM |
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In article <jhachm-FD3D50.01175031102004@news.giganews.com>,
jhachm@ixpres.com says...
In article <MPG.1bee054b645a84d8989a5a@news.individual.net>,
quibbler <quibbler247@yahoo.com> wrote:
Evangelicals ludicrously maintain that George W. Bush is an almost
Messianic figure, selected by gawd to rule. If for no other reason,
then atheists who would otherwise consider voting for George W. Bush,
should vote against him to prove these despicable religious nuts wrong.
Atheists, even of the most dyed-in-the-wool, pro-Nixon, pro-Reagan
stripes need to lay aside their old grudges and prove Pat Robertson and
Jerry Falwell wrong.
Atheism may be nothing more than lack of acceptance of conventional
superstitious teachings. But in a world where children are programmed
at youth to accept god myths, this lack of acceptance is still a
revolutionary act.
You have a chance to show that you are really individuals of
superior judgment and greatness. You can fight to take your party back
by rejecting the chief symbol of your religious subjugation -- George W.
Bush. If you strike this blow with us then, like Horatio at the bridge,
you may help turn back the mindless tide of religious lunacy and make
the world safe for atheists in decades to come. You can help embarrass
the religious right forever and with luck banish them from your party in
ignominy and defeat.
I know that in the savage cultural war that has divided us for
decades since the 1960's, there has been such bitterness that many would
deny there is any common brotherhood left between groups like atheists
here in America. But we can be a force to change that. Let us stand
upon the common ground and the common principle that people like Bush,
who threaten our secular state, should not be allowed to lead this
country. Those who undermine the fundamental principles of the
constitution are, by definition, unpatriotic and in that sense Bush is a
bitter enemy of the most important principles that our founders found
and died for.
I believe that this is a leverage point in history and if we push
against Bush now, we may collapse the whole ugly edifice of theocratic
political ascendancy in the US. The whole rational world watches with
cautious optimism and hopes that you all will have the courage to turn
away from supporting the fundamentalist regimes of Bush and his cronies.
I agree with everything that you say except that the defeat of Bush will
not stop the theocrats attempts to steal our country. They are many and
they are powerful. If Bush goes, next time there will be another, and
another, and then another.
I will grant that many fundies will rise up to take Bush's place. But
they won't be able to erase this defeat. In the back of their minds
there will be that lingering doubt that they they can sell such blatant
religious nonsense to the american people. It will be a long time
before hyper-religious politicians have the courage to publicly portray
themselves as quite the religious kook that Bush has pretended to be.
The symbolism of the victory over Bush and the precedent of rejecting
the bible beaters will strengthen the cause of atheism and demoralize
the theocratic minions.
We have to be on our toes and carry on the
struggle to defeat these cretins whenever they raise their ugly heads.
The struggle is far from over, even when Bush is defeated. But it would
unquestionably be a mighty blow for Bush to be unseated and I think that
the religious right would be sent reeling for several election cycles at
least. The reason I think this is because they are so heavily invested
in the formulaic religious nonsense that Bush uses, that if he loses,
they would find it very hard to adapt and give the voters what they want
to hear. I'm perhaps being wildly optimistic, but I think that if we
continue to rub their noses in this defeat then they may never build up
the same level of strength again.
Wendell Phillips had it right - "Eternal vigilance is the price of
liberty"
Yes, it's true. But I'll settle for the having an atheist majority in
this country before I die. I think it could happen.
--
Quibbler (quibbler247atyahoo.com)
"It is fashionable to wax apocalyptic about the
threat to humanity posed by the AIDS virus, 'mad cow'
disease, and many others, but I think a case can be
made that faith is one of the world's great evils,
comparable to the smallpox virus but harder to
eradicate." -- Richard Dawkins
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| User: "johac" |
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| Title: Re: Do it to prove the religious right is wrong |
01 Nov 2004 12:35:57 AM |
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In article <MPG.1beeacb38240c5e6989a5e@news.individual.net>,
quibbler <quibbler247@yahoo.com> wrote:
In article <jhachm-FD3D50.01175031102004@news.giganews.com>,
jhachm@ixpres.com says...
In article <MPG.1bee054b645a84d8989a5a@news.individual.net>,
quibbler <quibbler247@yahoo.com> wrote:
Evangelicals ludicrously maintain that George W. Bush is an almost
Messianic figure, selected by gawd to rule. If for no other reason,
then atheists who would otherwise consider voting for George W. Bush,
should vote against him to prove these despicable religious nuts wrong.
Atheists, even of the most dyed-in-the-wool, pro-Nixon, pro-Reagan
stripes need to lay aside their old grudges and prove Pat Robertson and
Jerry Falwell wrong.
Atheism may be nothing more than lack of acceptance of conventional
superstitious teachings. But in a world where children are programmed
at youth to accept god myths, this lack of acceptance is still a
revolutionary act.
You have a chance to show that you are really individuals of
superior judgment and greatness. You can fight to take your party back
by rejecting the chief symbol of your religious subjugation -- George W.
Bush. If you strike this blow with us then, like Horatio at the bridge,
you may help turn back the mindless tide of religious lunacy and make
the world safe for atheists in decades to come. You can help embarrass
the religious right forever and with luck banish them from your party in
ignominy and defeat.
I know that in the savage cultural war that has divided us for
decades since the 1960's, there has been such bitterness that many would
deny there is any common brotherhood left between groups like atheists
here in America. But we can be a force to change that. Let us stand
upon the common ground and the common principle that people like Bush,
who threaten our secular state, should not be allowed to lead this
country. Those who undermine the fundamental principles of the
constitution are, by definition, unpatriotic and in that sense Bush is a
bitter enemy of the most important principles that our founders found
and died for.
I believe that this is a leverage point in history and if we push
against Bush now, we may collapse the whole ugly edifice of theocratic
political ascendancy in the US. The whole rational world watches with
cautious optimism and hopes that you all will have the courage to turn
away from supporting the fundamentalist regimes of Bush and his cronies.
I agree with everything that you say except that the defeat of Bush will
not stop the theocrats attempts to steal our country. They are many and
they are powerful. If Bush goes, next time there will be another, and
another, and then another.
I will grant that many fundies will rise up to take Bush's place. But
they won't be able to erase this defeat. In the back of their minds
there will be that lingering doubt that they they can sell such blatant
religious nonsense to the american people. It will be a long time
before hyper-religious politicians have the courage to publicly portray
themselves as quite the religious kook that Bush has pretended to be.
The symbolism of the victory over Bush and the precedent of rejecting
the bible beaters will strengthen the cause of atheism and demoralize
the theocratic minions.
I'm sure that they would have to hide in the bushes (no pun intended)
for a while. They might even try to form their own political party. But
like the monster in the horror movies, they always seem to have a way of
coming back.
We have to be on our toes and carry on the
struggle to defeat these cretins whenever they raise their ugly heads.
The struggle is far from over, even when Bush is defeated. But it would
unquestionably be a mighty blow for Bush to be unseated and I think that
the religious right would be sent reeling for several election cycles at
least. The reason I think this is because they are so heavily invested
in the formulaic religious nonsense that Bush uses, that if he loses,
they would find it very hard to adapt and give the voters what they want
to hear. I'm perhaps being wildly optimistic, but I think that if we
continue to rub their noses in this defeat then they may never build up
the same level of strength again.
I'm sure that you remember 1988 when Pat Robertson, who had a lot more
influence than he does now, ran for president. He got his butt kicked in
the primaries. In 1992 Pat Buchanan gave his infamous "culture wars"
speech, which led in good part to the downfall of the first Bush. In
1996, Bob Dole, to his credit, rejected the overtures of the fundies so
they stayed home in droves which led to his defeat.
The religious right wingnuts are no strangers to defeat. However, they
are our equivalent of the Taliban or al Qaeda. They are fanatics and
they are patient. Their patience paid off in 2000 when they found a dupe
in Dubya willing to inject their religious crap into government. Now
they are back for a second helping. If defeated this time, they will
wait for their chances again.
Wendell Phillips had it right - "Eternal vigilance is the price of
liberty"
Yes, it's true. But I'll settle for the having an atheist majority in
this country before I die. I think it could happen.
Just as little children outgrow their belief in Santa Claus, I would
like to see the human race outgrow its belief in all powerful sky
fairies, but I doubt that I will see it in my lifetime. This country is
so god ridden that I doubt that we will see an atheist majority soon. My
hope for now is that control will pass into the hands of the more
moderate and tolerant whether they be theists on not.
--
John Hachmann aa #1782
-The ability to change one's mind, ideas, and opinions when confronted with
new facts is the sign of the rational and intelligent. The inability to do
so is the hallmark of the dimwitted and the fanatic. This applies not only
to science and philosophy, but also to politics.-
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