"fasgnâdh" <fasgnâdh@fukyoo.com.au> wrote in message
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But do you still believe that all Jewish males should
be circumcised

It's edifying to note, that the only people still practising
male genital mutilation are the Jews, blacks and Americans.

But do you still believe that all Jewish males should be circumcised
(as god ordered)? And do you believe that Jews have the right to

"Israel" into a jewish state (as promised by god)?

I am cut, but probably would not have my son cut if I had one. Half
of my family are southern crackers and half are Jewish atheists, and
at least one brother, 20 years older, is a Zionist. I told him,

You're an atheist. How can you support Zionism? His take was that
Jews needed a state of their own because everywhere they go, people
kill them. I said you live in America. They hardly kill Jews here

all. They are too busy killing black people. They hardly kill Jews
in England. Why not just assimilate? He said that is easy to say,
but until recently there was no opportunity to assimilate anyhow. I
always looked on my Jewish heritage as irrelevant, since we were all
atheists, but that gave me a little historical context. He was from
different times. So are a lot of Israelis. I have some historical
context, now, but I find it hard to support Israel at all, but I will
at least concede now that the state has a right to exist in some form
and the Jews that live there should be protected, even though a good
half of them act worse than wild beasts a lot of the time. I, on the
other hand, don't know what it is like to be surrounded by people who
want to cut my throat for my background. The mideast, though, is
ultimately irrelevant to me. I am not very impressed with Israel, I
am not very impressed by the Arabs, I am not very impressed by the
Americans, or the Europeans. Communism is a joke. I am only
impressed by a small group of great dead white men in the 1700s who
created the US. They tried to leave us something bulletproof, but
state-sponsored ignorance and religion have destroyed it. We have
squandered what they tried to leave us, and I sincerely doubt we will
be able to reverse the momentum now created by these flag-waving
know-nohing traitors who have frankly out-bred the thinking people of
this country.

EVIGILARE PECUA!
http://unrealitycheck.com

The Man Who Knew Too Little, fasgnâdh@fukyoo.com.au (fasgnâdh), wrote
in message <4216cebc.10427274@news.dodo.com.au>:

(Damn; I missed this one because of Agent's Trolling - sorry,
Crosspost - Management feature.)

[snip]

But do you still believe that all Jewish males should be circumcised
(as god ordered)? And do you believe that Jews have the right to make
"Israel" into a jewish state (as promised by god)?

What do you think, John?

Thank you for deferring to my intellectual superiority.

I think you're trolling, Alan. I also think you should have been
circumcised at birth. In your case that would have involved
decapitation, which would have saved a lot of wasted Usenet bandwidth
if nothing else.

(Dear a.a-ers: fasgnadh With A Dunce's Cap here is the latest 'nym of
the Clown Formerly Known As Thurston Phoremost and Throatwarbler
Mangrove. He's an award-winning kook, as I never tire of pointing out:
http://www.geocities.com/CapitolHill/Lobby/7573/nk96.gif
Please ignore him for the sake of your own self-respect.)

The answer's in the question.

The answer's in the question.

fasgnâdh wrote:

"Secular fundamentalist" <moc.turtle@eltrut.com> wrote in message
news:R-ydnSt7O6N7epDfRVnyvQ@brightview.com...
:
:
: The Real Riain wrote:
: > What a disgrace you are to your family and to Jews everywhere.
:
: I'm being the good atheist my parents brought me up to be. There is

much

: to take pride in for being from a Jewish background. This includes

a

: pride in learning and intellectual development. This is worthless
: without intellectual honesty, and at some point this inevitably

leaves

: religion by the wayside.

But do you still believe that all Jewish males should be circumcised
(as god ordered)? And do you believe that Jews have the right to make
"Israel" into a jewish state (as promised by god)?

What do you think, John?

Do Jewish atheists believe in a god? What a totally fucking stupid
question.

An atheist doesn't believe in a god. Period. If being
Jewish is a cultural thing (like lots believe)

rather than religious,
he might very well not keep kosher. Believe it or not, lots of Reform
Jews in Israel eat pork. They call it "white steak",

but pork is a big
thing over there like it is in America. Doesn't bother them in the
least. Circumcision is a cultural thing.

The argument about Israel
being a Jewish state can also be justified in political terms, which
most of the secular Zionists believed would be the only safe haven for
Jews from persecution they suffered for centuries in Europe and Asia
(although the Eretz Israel movement, driven by religious fanatacism,
has less support in Israel than it does in the US). Israel could be a
Jewish state, but it certainly wouldn't be democratic. Lots of
Israelis (hard liners included) know it's a matter of time before
demographics dictate that Arabs become the majority. The hard liners
want to expel the Arabs to retain the "Jewish" identity while the
"peaceniks" want to focus less on the "Jewish" identity and deal with
the reality that Israel will soon cease to be a country where Jews are
in the majority and wish to treat Arabs like humans now rather than the
ugly civil war which would erupt from treating Israeli Arabs like
second class citizens (which they kind of are now, at least in Israel
proper).

I notice you put Israel is quotes. Why? Israel is a reality today
whether you like it or not (I certainly don't agree with their
atrocities against Palestinians, but neither do a lot of Israelis). If
anything, it's the Shepardim (Jewish religious fundamentalists) who are
excluded from IDF service while the secular ones who dislike the
settlers are oftentimes the ones on the West Bank doing the dirty work
of the fundies in the Likud coalition.

I notice you put Israel is quotes. Why? Israel is a reality today
whether you like it or not

fasgnâdh wrote:

But do you still believe that all Jewish males should be circumcised
(as god ordered)? And do you believe that Jews have the right to make
"Israel" into a jewish state (as promised by god)?

No, because there is no God.

No. Racism is the problem, not the solution.