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"Fred Stone" |
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17 Jun 2005 04:23:37 PM |
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Do Not Take My Name In Vain |
http://media.nationalreview.com/066369.asp
....if something happens to me over here, I do not want to be used by the
likes of Phil Hansen in Seattle, Michael Moore, Gary Trudeau, or Ted
Koppel, to make their political points against the war, the President,
and finally the country, all the while saying "they support the troops".
I have no doubt in my mind that Michael Moore would rather hear a report
that 600 soldiers were killed last month in Iraq rather than 60 — but he
"supports the troops". Anyway, are you aware of any list that is around
that soldiers could put their name on so that if something happened,
while understanding our families couldn't stop it, that these despicable
phonies would be asked not to use our deaths to further their agenda
that runs completely counter to why I volunteered to be where I am and
counter to the real desires of 99 percent of the Iraqi people?
I have a wife and a four year old son. Truly my biggest concern is how
selfish I have been to leave him for a year, and possibly allowing him
to grow up never truly knowing his father. I have discussed this with my
wife, I don't want him ever to believe that he or his father were
victims of his country, which I love even more after being away from it
again.
--
Fred Stone
aa# 1369
"Metaphysics is almost always an attempt to prove
the incredible by an appeal to the unintelligible."
[H.L. Mencken, "Prejudices"]
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| User: "Misleart Chuff" |
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| Title: Re: Do Not Take My Name In Vain |
17 Jun 2005 05:37:18 PM |
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"Fred Stone" <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote in message
news:1119025417.3dd421c0bf03967456c023155843faf8@teranews...
: http://media.nationalreview.com/066369.asp
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: ...if something happens to me over here, I do not want to be used by
the
: likes of Phil Hansen in Seattle, Michael Moore, Gary Trudeau, or Ted
: Koppel,
He prefers being used by fucktards like Dumby & Freddie, eh?
to make their political points against the war, the President,
: and finally the country, all the while saying "they support the
troops".
: I have no doubt in my mind that Michael Moore would rather hear a
report
: that 600 soldiers were killed last month in Iraq rather than 60
Gotta have a mind, before you can have doubts in it...his lack makes
it easy for him to believe crap like this.
- but he
: "supports the troops". Anyway, are you aware of any list that is
around
: that soldiers could put their name on so that if something happened,
: while understanding our families couldn't stop it, that these
despicable
: phonies would be asked not to use our deaths to further their agenda
: that runs completely counter to why I volunteered to be where I am
and
: counter to the real desires of 99 percent of the Iraqi people?
:
: I have a wife and a four year old son. Truly my biggest concern is
how
: selfish I have been to leave him for a year, and possibly allowing
him
: to grow up never truly knowing his father.
What caring husband/father would join the fucking military during a
war? An illegal, for no fucking good reason war, at that?
I have discussed this with my
: wife, I don't want him ever to believe that he or his father were
: victims of his country, which I love even more after being away from
it
: again.
What a moron. Even taking into account the fact that moron boy CHOSE
to enter the military at this time, that doesn't do away with the
responsibility Dumbass on High has for starting the war. The kid is
being victimized by his country AND his father.
Fraud, why don't you quote someone who _isn't_ thick as a brick? Oh,
wait, I know the answer...it's because _you're_ a little thickie.
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| User: "Mike Smith" |
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| Title: Re: Do Not Take My Name In Vain |
19 Jun 2005 06:00:15 PM |
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Fred Stone <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote:
http://media.nationalreview.com/066369.asp
--snip--
I have a wife and a four year old son. Truly my biggest concern is how
selfish I have been to leave him for a year, and possibly allowing him
to grow up never truly knowing his father. I have discussed this with my
wife, I don't want him ever to believe that he or his father were
victims of his country, which I love even more after being away from it
again.
They won't be victims of the country. They'll be
victims of Dubya et al.
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| User: "D-word" |
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| Title: Re: Do Not Take My Name In Vain |
22 Jun 2005 04:23:02 PM |
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Fred Stone wrote:
I support the troops from home.
Hypocrite.
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| User: "Fred Stone" |
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22 Jun 2005 06:45:16 PM |
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"D-word" <yank_ees_suck@yahoo.com> wrote in news:1119457382.001514.299230
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Fred Stone wrote:
I support the troops from home.
Hypocrite.
D-Word is a lying snipping editing varmint.
--
Fred Stone
aa# 1369
"Metaphysics is almost always an attempt to prove
the incredible by an appeal to the unintelligible."
[H.L. Mencken, "Prejudices"]
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| User: "" |
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17 Jun 2005 04:43:32 PM |
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Fred Stone wrote:
http://media.nationalreview.com/066369.asp
...if something happens to me over here, I do not want to be used by the
likes of Phil Hansen in Seattle, Michael Moore, Gary Trudeau, or Ted
Koppel, to make their political points against the war, the President,
and finally the country, all the while saying "they support the troops".
I have no doubt in my mind that Michael Moore would rather hear a report
that 600 soldiers were killed last month in Iraq rather than 60 - but he
"supports the troops". Anyway, are you aware of any list that is around
that soldiers could put their name on so that if something happened,
while understanding our families couldn't stop it, that these despicable
phonies would be asked not to use our deaths to further their agenda
that runs completely counter to why I volunteered to be where I am and
counter to the real desires of 99 percent of the Iraqi people?
I have a wife and a four year old son. Truly my biggest concern is how
selfish I have been to leave him for a year, and possibly allowing him
to grow up never truly knowing his father. I have discussed this with my
wife, I don't want him ever to believe that he or his father were
victims of his country, which I love even more after being away from it
again.
Typical Fraud, unable to recognize that the person is
being used. Typical Fraud, safe at home posting and
afraid of suiting up instead of fighting in a war he
believes in. Typical Fraud, believes that one person
who agrees with his wishful thinking speaks for all.
Typical Fraud, hasn't the stones to address the facts.
Bob Dog
Atheist #153 = 1^3 + 5^3 + 3^3
EAC's chief cook and brainwasher
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"You won't find any opposition to the idea of evolution among
sophisticated, educated theologians. It comes from an
exceedingly retarded, primitive version of religion, which
unfortunately is at present undergoing an epidemic in the
United States."
- Richard Dawkins
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| User: "Fred Stone" |
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17 Jun 2005 05:13:21 PM |
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wrote in
news:1119026612.177129.201910@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com:
Fred Stone wrote:
http://media.nationalreview.com/066369.asp
...if something happens to me over here, I do not want to be used by
the likes of Phil Hansen in Seattle, Michael Moore, Gary Trudeau, or
Ted Koppel, to make their political points against the war, the
President, and finally the country, all the while saying "they
support the troops". I have no doubt in my mind that Michael Moore
would rather hear a report that 600 soldiers were killed last month
in Iraq rather than 60 - but he "supports the troops". Anyway, are
you aware of any list that is around that soldiers could put their
name on so that if something happened, while understanding our
families couldn't stop it, that these despicable phonies would be
asked not to use our deaths to further their agenda that runs
completely counter to why I volunteered to be where I am and counter
to the real desires of 99 percent of the Iraqi people?
I have a wife and a four year old son. Truly my biggest concern is
how selfish I have been to leave him for a year, and possibly
allowing him to grow up never truly knowing his father. I have
discussed this with my wife, I don't want him ever to believe that he
or his father were victims of his country, which I love even more
after being away from it again.
Typical Fraud, unable to recognize that the person is
being used. Typical Fraud, safe at home posting and
afraid of suiting up instead of fighting in a war he
believes in. Typical Fraud, believes that one person
who agrees with his wishful thinking speaks for all.
Typical Fraud, hasn't the stones to address the facts.
Typical Doggie, can't tell the difference between being used and
*voluntarily* denouncing the users.
Typical Doggie, nothing but ad hominem attacks.
Typical Doggie, can't even stand to hear from *ONE* person who won't
stand for his partisan *****.
--
Fred Stone
aa# 1369
"Metaphysics is almost always an attempt to prove
the incredible by an appeal to the unintelligible."
[H.L. Mencken, "Prejudices"]
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| User: "Rick" |
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18 Jun 2005 12:55:39 AM |
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wrote in message
<1119026612.177129.201910@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>...
Fred Stone wrote:
http://media.nationalreview.com/066369.asp
...if something happens to me over here, I do not want to be used by the
likes of Phil Hansen in Seattle, Michael Moore, Gary Trudeau, or Ted
Koppel, to make their political points against the war, the President,
and finally the country, all the while saying "they support the troops".
I have no doubt in my mind that Michael Moore would rather hear a report
that 600 soldiers were killed last month in Iraq rather than 60 - but he
"supports the troops". Anyway, are you aware of any list that is around
that soldiers could put their name on so that if something happened,
while understanding our families couldn't stop it, that these despicable
phonies would be asked not to use our deaths to further their agenda
that runs completely counter to why I volunteered to be where I am and
counter to the real desires of 99 percent of the Iraqi people?
I have a wife and a four year old son. Truly my biggest concern is how
selfish I have been to leave him for a year, and possibly allowing him
to grow up never truly knowing his father. I have discussed this with my
wife, I don't want him ever to believe that he or his father were
victims of his country, which I love even more after being away from it
again.
Typical Fraud, unable to recognize that the person is
being used. Typical Fraud, safe at home posting and
afraid of suiting up instead of fighting in a war he
believes in.
Were you over in Baghdad with the other human shields before the war? If
not, you're a hypocrite.
You see, anyone can play a round of tu quoques.
Typical Fraud, believes that one person
who agrees with his wishful thinking speaks for all.
Typical Fraud, hasn't the stones to address the facts.
- Rick
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| User: "Frank Wustner" |
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| Title: Re: Do Not Take My Name In Vain |
18 Jun 2005 03:46:35 AM |
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"Rick" <pl1_alpha_geek@juNOSPAM.com> wrote:
bg12345@apexmail.com wrote in message
Typical Fraud, unable to recognize that the person is
being used. Typical Fraud, safe at home posting and
afraid of suiting up instead of fighting in a war he
believes in.
Were you over in Baghdad with the other human shields before the war? If
not, you're a hypocrite.
Oh? And has bg ever publicly supported those people? Can you offer a
reference to prove that bg has done so? If you were to ask, bg would
have no problem finding references to Fred's vociferous position.
You see, anyone can play a round of tu quoques.
So you say. On the other hand, if you can't answer yes to both of my
questions above, all you've done in the process is make yourself look
like a fool.
--
Frank W.
Atheist #119
BAAWA Knight
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| User: "Fred Stone" |
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| Title: Re: Do Not Take My Name In Vain |
18 Jun 2005 02:09:27 PM |
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Frank Wustner <fwustner@hotmail.com> wrote in
news:fwustner-C47383.20471017062005@news1.west.earthlink.net:
"Rick" <pl1_alpha_geek@juNOSPAM.com> wrote:
bg12345@apexmail.com wrote in message
Typical Fraud, unable to recognize that the person is
being used. Typical Fraud, safe at home posting and
afraid of suiting up instead of fighting in a war he
believes in.
Were you over in Baghdad with the other human shields before the war?
If not, you're a hypocrite.
Oh? And has bg ever publicly supported those people? Can you offer a
reference to prove that bg has done so? If you were to ask, bg would
have no problem finding references to Fred's vociferous position.
I don't care how many references you can find, the "chickenhawk"
argument is still an ad hominem based on the hypocritical notion that
anyone can criticize a war but only a veteran can support one. It is
nothing more than a coward's way of avoiding an argument that he cannot
address.
You see, anyone can play a round of tu quoques.
So you say. On the other hand, if you can't answer yes to both of my
questions above, all you've done in the process is make yourself look
like a fool.
*EVERYBODY* who uses the chickenhawk argument looks like a fool.
--
Fred Stone
aa# 1369
"Metaphysics is almost always an attempt to prove
the incredible by an appeal to the unintelligible."
[H.L. Mencken, "Prejudices"]
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| User: "nJb" |
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20 Jun 2005 01:13:36 AM |
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Fred Stone wrote:
I don't care how many references you can find, the "chickenhawk"
argument is still an ad hominem based on the hypocritical notion that
anyone can criticize a war but only a veteran can support one. It is
nothing more than a coward's way of avoiding an argument that he cannot
address.
You have it all wrong, Fred. Anybody can support a war but when that
supporter did everything they could to avoid going to war, they are
known as chickenhawks. It's just that simple. They don't mind going to
war with somebody else's blood. More to the point, I never used the
chickenhawk label during a legit action. I didn't see them as
chickenhawks in the case of Afghanistan but this Iraq ***** put them
over the edge, IMO.
--
Jack
Plonked by Native American
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| User: "Fred Stone" |
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20 Jun 2005 10:38:06 AM |
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nJb <none@nowhere.com> wrote in news:d9554u$4v8$1@news.xmission.com:
Fred Stone wrote:
I don't care how many references you can find, the "chickenhawk"
argument is still an ad hominem based on the hypocritical notion that
anyone can criticize a war but only a veteran can support one. It is
nothing more than a coward's way of avoiding an argument that he
cannot address.
You have it all wrong, Fred. Anybody can support a war but when that
supporter did everything they could to avoid going to war, they are
known as chickenhawks. It's just that simple. They don't mind going to
war with somebody else's blood.
That's still an ad hominem argument when it's used to dismiss that
person from the discussion. And you're wrong. Nobody in their right mind
"doesn't mind going to war" but sometimes it's the least bad choice
available. Leaving Saddam in power was not an option.
More to the point, I never used the
chickenhawk label during a legit action. I didn't see them as
chickenhawks in the case of Afghanistan but this Iraq ***** put
them over the edge, IMO.
That doesn't make it any less of an attack on the person as a way of
avoiding their arguments. It just makes it clear that you are running
away from whatever their arguments are.
It's not your decision whether an action is legitimate or not. That
decision was made by the Congress and the President before we went to
war with Iraq. You don't have to agree with them, but whether you agree
or not, you have no business calling the war illegal or illegitimate.
--
Fred Stone
aa# 1369
"Metaphysics is almost always an attempt to prove
the incredible by an appeal to the unintelligible."
[H.L. Mencken, "Prejudices"]
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| User: "nJb" |
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20 Jun 2005 11:55:43 PM |
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Fred Stone wrote:
nJb <none@nowhere.com> wrote in news:d9554u$4v8$1@news.xmission.com:
Fred Stone wrote:
I don't care how many references you can find, the "chickenhawk"
argument is still an ad hominem based on the hypocritical notion that
anyone can criticize a war but only a veteran can support one. It is
nothing more than a coward's way of avoiding an argument that he
cannot address.
You have it all wrong, Fred. Anybody can support a war but when that
supporter did everything they could to avoid going to war, they are
known as chickenhawks. It's just that simple. They don't mind going to
war with somebody else's blood.
That's still an ad hominem argument when it's used to dismiss that
person from the discussion. And you're wrong. Nobody in their right mind
"doesn't mind going to war" but sometimes it's the least bad choice
available. Leaving Saddam in power was not an option.
I don't use the term to dismiss their argument. Even chickenhawks can
have valid points. I use the term to let people know what I think of the
nuttless cowards. Nutless, all of them except for Ann Coulter. The very
definition of chickenhawk requires that they don't mind going to war as
long as they are not in danger. Saddam was as useless as hen ***** on a
pump handle. He was going nowhere and was capable of doing little to
harm us.
More to the point, I never used the
chickenhawk label during a legit action. I didn't see them as
chickenhawks in the case of Afghanistan but this Iraq ***** put
them over the edge, IMO.
That doesn't make it any less of an attack on the person as a way of
avoiding their arguments. It just makes it clear that you are running
away from whatever their arguments are.
I'll gladly debate them but continue to remind them what cowards they are.
It's not your decision whether an action is legitimate or not. That
decision was made by the Congress and the President before we went to
war with Iraq. You don't have to agree with them, but whether you agree
or not, you have no business calling the war illegal or illegitimate.
I voluntarily gave three years of my life, 1967-1970, supposedly
ensuring that I and anyone else, including chickenhawks, can call the
war anything we please.
For the record, I support war on terrorism but the invasion of Iraq was
anything but.
--
Jack
Plonked by Native American
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| User: "Tak" |
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21 Jun 2005 12:53:59 AM |
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On Mon, 20 Jun 2005 10:38:06 GMT, Fred Stone <fstone69@earthling.com>
wrote:
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That doesn't make it any less of an attack on the person as a way of
avoiding their arguments.
Did you serve your country in the Military in war or Peace?
Tak
a#344
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19 Jun 2005 06:57:49 PM |
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Le Sat, 18 Jun 2005 14:09:27 +0000, Fred Stone a écrit :
So you say. On the other hand, if you can't answer yes to both of my
questions above, all you've done in the process is make yourself look
like a fool.
*EVERYBODY* who uses the chickenhawk argument looks like a fool.
Err, no.
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| User: "Fred Stone" |
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19 Jun 2005 09:55:48 PM |
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Divin Marquis <postmaster@127.0.0.1> wrote in
news:pan.2005.06.19.18.57.49.240391@127.0.0.1:
Le Sat, 18 Jun 2005 14:09:27 +0000, Fred Stone a écrit :
So you say. On the other hand, if you can't answer yes to both of my
questions above, all you've done in the process is make yourself look
like a fool.
*EVERYBODY* who uses the chickenhawk argument looks like a fool.
Err, no.
Err, yes. Including YOU.
--
Fred Stone
aa# 1369
"Metaphysics is almost always an attempt to prove
the incredible by an appeal to the unintelligible."
[H.L. Mencken, "Prejudices"]
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| User: "Kevin Anthoney" |
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19 Jun 2005 08:44:18 PM |
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Divin Marquis wrote:
Le Sat, 18 Jun 2005 14:09:27 +0000, Fred Stone a écrit :
So you say. On the other hand, if you can't answer yes to both of my
questions above, all you've done in the process is make yourself look
like a fool.
*EVERYBODY* who uses the chickenhawk argument looks like a fool.
Err, no.
I think what Fred's trying to say is that there's nothing at all wrong with
being a chickenhawk and that, in future, he'll be standing proud with his
feathers erect as an example to us all.
--
Kevin Anthoney
kanthoney[a]dsl.pipex.com
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| User: "Fred Stone" |
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19 Jun 2005 09:55:55 PM |
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Kevin Anthoney <kevin_anthoney@hotmail.com> wrote in
news:-r6dnauRwvwLRCjfRVnyjA@pipex.net:
Divin Marquis wrote:
Le Sat, 18 Jun 2005 14:09:27 +0000, Fred Stone a écrit :
So you say. On the other hand, if you can't answer yes to both of
my questions above, all you've done in the process is make yourself
look like a fool.
*EVERYBODY* who uses the chickenhawk argument looks like a fool.
Err, no.
I think what Fred's trying to say is that there's nothing at all wrong
with being a chickenhawk and that, in future, he'll be standing proud
with his feathers erect as an example to us all.
Your pathetic attempts to intimidate me with ad hominems don't faze me a
bit, Kevin.
--
Fred Stone
aa# 1369
"Metaphysics is almost always an attempt to prove
the incredible by an appeal to the unintelligible."
[H.L. Mencken, "Prejudices"]
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18 Jun 2005 12:25:39 AM |
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In article <1119025417.3dd421c0bf03967456c023155843faf8@teranews>,
fstone69@earthling.com says...
http://media.nationalreview.com/066369.asp
...if something happens to me over here, I do not want to be used by the
likes of Phil Hansen in Seattle, Michael Moore, Gary Trudeau, or Ted
Koppel,
That's a typical fucktard jarhead for ya. He doesn't get to choose how
his name is used in death. Terri didn't choose to be exploited by
rightwing assholes and this guy doesn't choose how his death will be
interpreted. The fact is that the only purpose that his death will
serve is to illustrate what an otherwise pointless, ill-conceived and
downright illegal war it was that he had the bad judgment to be a part
of. Any person who serves in an illegal war commits homicide, so this
guy will also be remembered as a cowardly, cold-blooded killer who
didn't have the decency to disobey his criminal orders.
--
Quibbler (quibbler247atyahoo.com)
"It is fashionable to wax apocalyptic about the
threat to humanity posed by the AIDS virus, 'mad cow'
disease, and many others, but I think a case can be
made that faith is one of the world's great evils,
comparable to the smallpox virus but harder to
eradicate." -- Richard Dawkins
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| User: "Tak" |
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18 Jun 2005 10:36:26 PM |
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On Fri, 17 Jun 2005 18:25:39 -0600, quibbler <quibbler247@yahoo.com>
wrote:
Any person who serves in an illegal war commits homicide,
Bull, a lot of people serving in this illegal war were kids who just
wanted half a chace to go to college in a time when educational
benifits are wasting away.
Don't blame the troops for the foreign policy, many of them are as
much victims of it as the people they are ordered to attack.
Tak
a#344
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| User: "Katt" |
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18 Jun 2005 11:27:32 PM |
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"Tak" <null@null.com> wrote in message
news:r889b192g5krtp1q64i1ab5dlkbn9vv0f7@4ax.com...
On Fri, 17 Jun 2005 18:25:39 -0600, quibbler <quibbler247@yahoo.com>
wrote:
Any person who serves in an illegal war commits homicide,
Bull, a lot of people serving in this illegal war were kids who just
wanted half a chace to go to college in a time when educational
benifits are wasting away.
Or they wanted a chance to get socialised medicine and free dental care,
just by agreeing to become killer zombies...
Don't blame the troops for the foreign policy, many of them are as
much victims of it as the people they are ordered to attack.
*****. These 'kids' in the US are faced with the following choice: they
can agree to kill and be killed for Halliburton *or* they can switch their
fucking brains on and campaign for proper education and health-care. What
did these soldiers choose? They chose to kill people they'd never even met,
on behalf of a group of rich, lying bastards who wouldn't even look at them
sideways in the street.
That makes them stupid, compliant, and utterly superfluous *filth*. The
human race doesn't need them. Screw 'em. The lot of 'em. And at a rate
currently running at *3.4 per day*...
http://www.ac.wwu.edu/~stephan/USfatalities.html
Katt.
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| User: "Fred Stone" |
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19 Jun 2005 12:57:34 AM |
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"Katt" <seruhshjaudn@dfhu.net> wrote in
news:E52te.27845$%21.2289@newsfe2-gui.ntli.net:
"Tak" <null@null.com> wrote in message
news:r889b192g5krtp1q64i1ab5dlkbn9vv0f7@4ax.com...
On Fri, 17 Jun 2005 18:25:39 -0600, quibbler <quibbler247@yahoo.com>
wrote:
Any person who serves in an illegal war commits homicide,
Bull, a lot of people serving in this illegal war were kids who just
wanted half a chace to go to college in a time when educational
benifits are wasting away.
Or they wanted a chance to get socialised medicine and free dental
care, just by agreeing to become killer zombies...
Don't blame the troops for the foreign policy, many of them are as
much victims of it as the people they are ordered to attack.
*****. These 'kids' in the US are faced with the following choice:
they can agree to kill and be killed for Halliburton *or* they can
switch their fucking brains on and campaign for proper education and
health-care. What did these soldiers choose? They chose to kill people
they'd never even met, on behalf of a group of rich, lying bastards
who wouldn't even look at them sideways in the street.
They chose to defend your right to say stupid venomous crap like that.
That makes them stupid, compliant, and utterly superfluous *filth*.
The human race doesn't need them. Screw 'em. The lot of 'em. And at a
rate currently running at *3.4 per day*...
http://www.ac.wwu.edu/~stephan/USfatalities.html
That makes them a thousand times more honorable than you and all your
fellow anti-war crybabies.
--
Fred Stone
aa# 1369
"Metaphysics is almost always an attempt to prove
the incredible by an appeal to the unintelligible."
[H.L. Mencken, "Prejudices"]
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20 Jun 2005 03:43:50 AM |
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Fred Stone wrote:
They chose to defend your right to say stupid venomous crap like that.
You can make some connection between Iraq and the Constitution? I can't
wait.
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Jack
Plonked by Native American
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| User: "quibbler" |
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19 Jun 2005 02:29:24 AM |
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In article <1119142656.1673592db0ecbef6a1ab7a402f2459bd@teranews>,
fstone69@earthling.com says...
"Katt" <seruhshjaudn@dfhu.net> wrote in
news:E52te.27845$%21.2289@newsfe2-gui.ntli.net:
"Tak" <null@null.com> wrote in message
news:r889b192g5krtp1q64i1ab5dlkbn9vv0f7@4ax.com...
On Fri, 17 Jun 2005 18:25:39 -0600, quibbler <quibbler247@yahoo.com>
wrote:
Any person who serves in an illegal war commits homicide,
Bull, a lot of people serving in this illegal war were kids who just
wanted half a chace to go to college in a time when educational
benifits are wasting away.
Or they wanted a chance to get socialised medicine and free dental
care, just by agreeing to become killer zombies...
Don't blame the troops for the foreign policy, many of them are as
much victims of it as the people they are ordered to attack.
*****. These 'kids' in the US are faced with the following choice:
they can agree to kill and be killed for Halliburton *or* they can
switch their fucking brains on and campaign for proper education and
health-care. What did these soldiers choose? They chose to kill people
they'd never even met, on behalf of a group of rich, lying bastards
who wouldn't even look at them sideways in the street.
They chose to defend your right to say stupid venomous crap like that.
The soldier chose nothing of the sort. We would have had free speech
whether this second Iraqi war happened or not. Therefore your claim is
demonstrably false. Soldiers chose to be contract killers in an
illegal, immoral war that only undermines US security and saps our
constitutional rights.
That makes them a thousand times more honorable than you and all your
fellow anti-war crybabies.
No, it makes them war criminals. They are not nearly as bad as the
leadership who orchestrated these grand crimes and acts of treason
against the US, but they so share blame for helping it along.
--
Quibbler (quibbler247atyahoo.com)
"It is fashionable to wax apocalyptic about the
threat to humanity posed by the AIDS virus, 'mad cow'
disease, and many others, but I think a case can be
made that faith is one of the world's great evils,
comparable to the smallpox virus but harder to
eradicate." -- Richard Dawkins
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| User: "Katt" |
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19 Jun 2005 02:49:21 AM |
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"quibbler" <quibbler247@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:MPG.1d1e86708d5ba21a989732@news.
They chose to defend your right to say stupid venomous crap like that.
The soldier chose nothing of the sort. We would have had free speech
whether this second Iraqi war happened or not. Therefore your claim is
demonstrably false. Soldiers chose to be contract killers in an
illegal, immoral war that only undermines US security and saps our
constitutional rights.
Thank you, quib. I don't see the ranting moron's posts, so I wouldn't have
been able to reply to his nonsense myself.
That makes them a thousand times more honorable than you and all your
fellow anti-war crybabies.
No, it makes them war criminals. They are not nearly as bad as the
leadership who orchestrated these grand crimes and acts of treason
against the US, but they so share blame for helping it along.
Exactly.
Funnily enough, our culture seems to allow precisely the same *intellectual
and moral latitude* to those who do our society's 'organised believing' as
it does do those who do our society's *organised killing*. Ya wanna
speculate about why this might be...?
Katt.
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| User: "Fred Stone" |
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19 Jun 2005 03:52:06 AM |
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quibbler <quibbler247@yahoo.com> wrote in
news:MPG.1d1e86708d5ba21a989732@news.readfreenews.net:
In article <1119142656.1673592db0ecbef6a1ab7a402f2459bd@teranews>,
fstone69@earthling.com says...
"Katt" <seruhshjaudn@dfhu.net> wrote in
news:E52te.27845$%21.2289@newsfe2-gui.ntli.net:
"Tak" <null@null.com> wrote in message
news:r889b192g5krtp1q64i1ab5dlkbn9vv0f7@4ax.com...
On Fri, 17 Jun 2005 18:25:39 -0600, quibbler
<quibbler247@yahoo.com> wrote:
Any person who serves in an illegal war commits homicide,
Bull, a lot of people serving in this illegal war were kids who
just wanted half a chace to go to college in a time when
educational benifits are wasting away.
Or they wanted a chance to get socialised medicine and free dental
care, just by agreeing to become killer zombies...
Don't blame the troops for the foreign policy, many of them are as
much victims of it as the people they are ordered to attack.
*****. These 'kids' in the US are faced with the following
choice: they can agree to kill and be killed for Halliburton *or*
they can switch their fucking brains on and campaign for proper
education and health-care. What did these soldiers choose? They
chose to kill people they'd never even met, on behalf of a group of
rich, lying bastards who wouldn't even look at them sideways in the
street.
They chose to defend your right to say stupid venomous crap like
that.
The soldier chose nothing of the sort.
Yes, he did. You can displace your fear of the terrorists onto those who
fight them, but that doesn't make you any less of a moral coward.
We would have had free speech
whether this second Iraqi war happened or not.
You would deny yourself that free speech in order not to offend the
terrorists. It's already happening in Europe. You'd be a perfect dhimmi,
quibbler, afraid to talk back to the ones who actually, physically,
threaten you, instead you'd lash out at the ones who resisted
dhimmitude, just as you are lashing out at honorable soldiers now.
Therefore your claim
is demonstrably false. Soldiers chose to be contract killers in an
illegal, immoral war that only undermines US security and saps our
constitutional rights.
That makes them a thousand times more honorable than you and all your
fellow anti-war crybabies.
No, it makes them war criminals. They are not nearly as bad as the
leadership who orchestrated these grand crimes and acts of treason
against the US, but they so share blame for helping it along.
No, it makes *you* a moral coward, lashing out in terror at the very
people who are *fighting* the terrorists.
--
Fred Stone
aa# 1369
"Metaphysics is almost always an attempt to prove
the incredible by an appeal to the unintelligible."
[H.L. Mencken, "Prejudices"]
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| User: "quibbler" |
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| Title: Re: Do Not Take My Name In Vain |
19 Jun 2005 10:05:53 PM |
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In article <1119153126.f84a9f4019546655a642413a88635525@teranews>,
fstone69@earthling.com says...
The soldier chose nothing of the sort.
Yes, he did.
Many military martinets try to make themselves feel better by telling
themselves the lies that they joined up to "defend freedom" when in fact
they did nothing of the sort. You just happen to be stupid enough to
believe those lies.
ou can displace your fear of the terrorists
You're projecting. I have no fear whatsoever of so-called "terrorists".
It's always been a scam which only scares clueless people, like
yourself.
onto those who
fight them, but that doesn't make you any less of a moral coward.
Republicanism itself is moral cowardice personified. I have the courage
to oppose their anti-humanistic, anti-democratic, anti-science and anti-
justice platform, whereas you do not. You're the coward. I know more
about actual morality and how to be moral than your tiny brain could
ever comprehend.
We would have had free speech
whether this second Iraqi war happened or not.
You would deny yourself that free speech in order not to offend the
terrorists.
No, I condemn terrorists across the board, which is why I condemn Sharon
and Bush along with Al Quaeda.
<rest of your crap snipped>
--
Quibbler (quibbler247atyahoo.com)
"It is fashionable to wax apocalyptic about the
threat to humanity posed by the AIDS virus, 'mad cow'
disease, and many others, but I think a case can be
made that faith is one of the world's great evils,
comparable to the smallpox virus but harder to
eradicate." -- Richard Dawkins
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| User: "Fred Stone" |
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| Title: Re: Do Not Take My Name In Vain |
20 Jun 2005 12:02:39 AM |
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quibbler <quibbler247@yahoo.com> wrote in
news:MPG.1d1f9a2ae55f092d989734@news.readfreenews.net:
In article <1119153126.f84a9f4019546655a642413a88635525@teranews>,
fstone69@earthling.com says...
The soldier chose nothing of the sort.
Yes, he did.
Many military martinets try to make themselves feel better by telling
themselves the lies that they joined up to "defend freedom" when in
fact they did nothing of the sort. You just happen to be stupid
enough to believe those lies.
ou can displace your fear of the terrorists
You're projecting. I have no fear whatsoever of so-called
"terrorists". It's always been a scam which only scares clueless
people, like yourself.
Then why are you so frightened of the people who are willing to fight
terrorists?
onto those who
fight them, but that doesn't make you any less of a moral coward.
Republicanism itself is moral cowardice personified. I have the
courage to oppose their anti-humanistic, anti-democratic, anti-science
and anti- justice platform, whereas you do not.
Which doesn't require any courage at all, since those terrible anti-
everything republicans aren't going to come for you anyway.
You're the coward. I
know more about actual morality and how to be moral than your tiny
brain could ever comprehend.
You know so much about morality that you cannot distinguish a soldier
from a terrorist. A builder from a destroyer. Hell, you probably have
trouble telling the cops from the criminals.
We would have had free speech
whether this second Iraqi war happened or not.
You would deny yourself that free speech in order not to offend the
terrorists.
No, I condemn terrorists across the board, which is why I condemn
Sharon and Bush along with Al Quaeda.
You can't even distinguish the terrorists from the people who have
chosen to fight them. You condemn everybody who possesses the moral
courage that you lack.
--
Fred Stone
aa# 1369
"Metaphysics is almost always an attempt to prove
the incredible by an appeal to the unintelligible."
[H.L. Mencken, "Prejudices"]
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| User: "nJb" |
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| Title: Re: Do Not Take My Name In Vain |
20 Jun 2005 03:53:05 AM |
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Fred Stone wrote:
You know so much about morality that you cannot distinguish a soldier
from a terrorist. A builder from a destroyer. Hell, you probably have
trouble telling the cops from the criminals.
The difference between a soldier and a terrorist depends on which side
you ask. Each side calls their fighters soldiers and the other side
terrorists. It's a new era of warfare, get with the program. Get with
the program, Fred.
We would have had free speech
whether this second Iraqi war happened or not.
You would deny yourself that free speech in order not to offend the
terrorists.
No, I condemn terrorists across the board, which is why I condemn
Sharon and Bush along with Al Quaeda.
You can't even distinguish the terrorists from the people who have
chosen to fight them. You condemn everybody who possesses the moral
courage that you lack.
See above.
--
Jack
Plonked by Native American
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| User: "Fred Stone" |
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20 Jun 2005 11:00:54 AM |
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nJb <none@nowhere.com> wrote in news:d95efu$bls$1@news.xmission.com:
Fred Stone wrote:
You know so much about morality that you cannot distinguish a soldier
from a terrorist. A builder from a destroyer. Hell, you probably have
trouble telling the cops from the criminals.
The difference between a soldier and a terrorist depends on which side
you ask. Each side calls their fighters soldiers and the other side
terrorists. It's a new era of warfare, get with the program. Get with
the program, Fred.
Like I said, you're so fucking amoral that you can't tell the
difference. I will *never* get with that program.
We would have had free speech
whether this second Iraqi war happened or not.
You would deny yourself that free speech in order not to offend the
terrorists.
No, I condemn terrorists across the board, which is why I condemn
Sharon and Bush along with Al Quaeda.
You can't even distinguish the terrorists from the people who have
chosen to fight them. You condemn everybody who possesses the moral
courage that you lack.
See above.
See above for your admission of your complete lack of morals.
--
Fred Stone
aa# 1369
"Metaphysics is almost always an attempt to prove
the incredible by an appeal to the unintelligible."
[H.L. Mencken, "Prejudices"]
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21 Jun 2005 12:01:59 AM |
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Fred Stone wrote:
nJb <none@nowhere.com> wrote in news:d95efu$bls$1@news.xmission.com:
Fred Stone wrote:
You know so much about morality that you cannot distinguish a soldier
from a terrorist. A builder from a destroyer. Hell, you probably have
trouble telling the cops from the criminals.
The difference between a soldier and a terrorist depends on which side
you ask. Each side calls their fighters soldiers and the other side
terrorists. It's a new era of warfare, get with the program. Get with
the program, Fred.
Like I said, you're so fucking amoral that you can't tell the
difference. I will *never* get with that program.
Your opinion is duly noted, Fred. I hope I never get the chance to say
"I told you so".
--
Jack
Plonked by Native American
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