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28 Jan 2005 04:31:24 AM |
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Do police officers serve and protect the public? |
Why is it that a cop who kills an unarmed man is not charged with
murder like the rest of us would be? Why are cops allowed to abduct
people off the street and it's a crime to use your right to
self-defense? Why are most cops domestic batterers? Why do cops steal
so much of our money through asset forfeiture? For people who sell
themselves as "serving" and "protecting" us, they sure don't act like
it:
http://brownwatch.squarespace.com/police-brutality-archives/
http://www.fear.org/
Could it be that the cops have nothing to do with protecting average
citizens? Probably so.
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http://www.lewrockwell.com/orig4/peters3.html
To Serve and Protect - Itself
by John M. Peters
On November 18, 2001, a woman was shot to death in her suburban Detroit
home by her distraught husband. He then turned the gun on himself and
died instantly.
Unfortunately, this scenario is played out all too often across the
nation. If these were the only facts, you might shrug with empathy and
ask yourself why this merits your consideration. This case was
different.
In this case, the police were present - not following the
murder/suicide - but before and during it.
Following threats by her husband to her life and the lives of her
children, the woman went directly to the local police. She informed
them that she was in fear for her life and the lives of her children if
she tried to move out of the marital home. She informed the police that
her husband had a gun, had threatened her and her children that day,
and that she wanted to move out of the home. The police computer
confirmed a personal protection order had been issued by the court
against the husband.
The police agreed to accompany the woman to her home and remain there
while she removed her personal belongings and her children. Two
officers accompanied her to her home and remained inside to the end -
the end of her life and her husband's.
Despite encountering the husband, and having been apprised of all the
facts which led them to accompany the woman to her home, the police
never questioned the husband, segregated him from his wife or even
bothered to search him for a gun. They hung around and watched as the
husband followed his wife back and forth from the home to her car with
her personal belongings.
As the police spoke with others in the house, the husband followed his
wife into her bedroom, closed the door and shot her. He then shot
himself. This was exactly what the wife had asked the police to protect
her from, and what they had agreed to do.
If these police officers had been private security officers instead,
they and their employer would be held accountable in a court of law
under breach of contract or negligence theories. Alas, they are
government employees. The result is that they are not accountable for
their malfeasance or her death. This is what separates the private
sector from government.
Another government branch - the courts - has decided that police
are not legally responsible for such gross failures. In Michigan, the
state's highest court has decided that individual police officers may
not be sued unless they are the only cause of the injury or death. This
special treatment is not available to those in the private sector. In
every case involving private individuals or companies, negligence is
assessed on the basis of each party's percentage of fault. Yet
another branch of government - the Michigan legislature - passed a
statute which grants absolute immunity to any municipality, thereby
barring any claim against the officers' employer. No such privilege
is available to private sector employers.
Faced with these obstructions, the deceased woman's estate pursued a
claim against the officers' employer in federal court alleging that
she was deprived of her life without due process of law. On June 9,
2004 a federal judge dismissed the estate's case. The basis for the
dismissal was that, "a State's failure to protect an individual
against private violence simply does not constitute a violation of the
Due Process Clause." Coming from the U.S. Supreme Court, this is the
law in every state. This outrage is compounded by the government's
simultaneous efforts to prevent citizens from taking any steps to
protect themselves, and punishing them when they do.
How do you explain this state of affairs to the family of the deceased?
It was not easy. I was the attorney left with the task.
Writers such as Steven Greenhut and Paul Craig Roberts have sounded the
alarm on this growing trend of law enforcement's lack of
accountability, but the truth is that most citizens actually believe
that the police are under some legal duty to come to your aid.
In oral arguments before the federal court, I closed by noting that if
this is the state of the law in this country the courts should require
that all police vehicles be posted with a warning label which reads:
Caution: We are not required to protect you. Then, I explained, we will
at least know the truth, and be able to take steps to protect
ourselves.
The next time you read the phrase To Serve and Protect on a police
vehicle, remember that this is government's motto about itself, not
you.
June 24, 2004
John M. Peters [send him mail] is a practicing attorney in Michigan.
Copyright =A9 2004 LewRockwell.com
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| User: "Inspector Crosetti" |
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| Title: Re: Do police officers serve and protect the public? |
08 Feb 2005 11:46:57 AM |
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On Tue, 08 Feb 2005 09:54:02 -0700, "RD (The Sandman)"
<rdsandman@comcast.net> wrote:
Inspector Crosetti wrote:
On Mon, 07 Feb 2005 11:00:16 -0700, "RD (The Sandman)"
<rdsandman@comcast.net> wrote:
Glad you do. Jews at Austwitz didn't.
They were affected by our USSC and Constitution? ;)
--
Sleep well tonight.........RD (The Sandman)
When all else fails, they resort to calling the cops Nazis.
A few of them are. ;)
I agree but the numbers are very small. The mojority of us view them
as odd & they dont last long in the profession.
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| User: "RD The Sandman" |
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08 Feb 2005 05:16:14 PM |
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Inspector Crosetti wrote:
On Tue, 08 Feb 2005 09:54:02 -0700, "RD (The Sandman)"
<rdsandman@comcast.net> wrote:
Inspector Crosetti wrote:
On Mon, 07 Feb 2005 11:00:16 -0700, "RD (The Sandman)"
<rdsandman@comcast.net> wrote:
Glad you do. Jews at Austwitz didn't.
They were affected by our USSC and Constitution? ;)
--
Sleep well tonight.........RD (The Sandman)
When all else fails, they resort to calling the cops Nazis.
A few of them are. ;)
I agree but the numbers are very small. The mojority of us view them
as odd & they dont last long in the profession.
I will agree with most of your statement. The part about they don't
last long in the profession somehow rings a little hollow. ;(
--
Sleep well tonight.........RD (The Sandman)
http://home.comcast.net/~rdsandman
School - Four walls with tomorrow inside.
"The fatal attraction of government is that it allows busybodies to
impose decisions on others without paying any price themselves."
"It is hard to imagine a more stupid or more dangerous way of making
decisions than by putting those decisions in the hands of people who
pay no price for being wrong" Author Thomas Sowell
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| User: "Inspector Crosetti" |
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| Title: Re: Do police officers serve and protect the public? |
08 Feb 2005 09:35:53 PM |
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On Tue, 08 Feb 2005 16:16:14 -0700, "RD (The Sandman)"
<rdsandman@comcast.net> wrote:
Inspector Crosetti wrote:
On Tue, 08 Feb 2005 09:54:02 -0700, "RD (The Sandman)"
<rdsandman@comcast.net> wrote:
Inspector Crosetti wrote:
On Mon, 07 Feb 2005 11:00:16 -0700, "RD (The Sandman)"
<rdsandman@comcast.net> wrote:
Glad you do. Jews at Austwitz didn't.
They were affected by our USSC and Constitution? ;)
--
Sleep well tonight.........RD (The Sandman)
When all else fails, they resort to calling the cops Nazis.
A few of them are. ;)
I agree but the numbers are very small. The mojority of us view them
as odd & they dont last long in the profession.
I will agree with most of your statement. The part about they don't
last long in the profession somehow rings a little hollow. ;(
In my experience, they are wrapped to tight for police. Do you have a
different experience?
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| User: "Frank Ney" |
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| Title: Re: Do police officers serve and protect the public? |
08 Feb 2005 10:07:59 PM |
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On Tue, 08 Feb 2005 17:46:57 GMT, an orbiting mind control laser caused
InspCrosetti@msn.com (Inspector Crosetti) to write:
I agree but the numbers are very small. The mojority of us view them
as odd & they dont last long in the profession.
So tell me, what disciplinary action has been taken against that Denver
police sergeant?
Here's what he should have gotten:
If two or more persons conspire to injure, oppress, threaten, or intimidate
any person in any State, Territory, Commonwealth, Possession, or District
in the free exercise or enjoyment of any right or privilege secured to him
by the Constitution or laws of the United States, or because of his having
so exercised the same; or
If two or more persons go in disguise on the highway, or on the premises of
another, with intent to prevent or hinder his free exercise or enjoyment of
any right or privilege so secured—
They shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than ten years,
or both; and if death results from the acts committed in violation of this
section or if such acts include kidnapping or an attempt to kidnap,
aggravated sexual abuse or an attempt to commit aggravated sexual abuse, or
an attempt to kill, they shall be fined under this title or imprisoned for
any term of years or for life, or both, or may be sentenced to death.
18 USC 241
It became a conspiracy the instant that cop was flagged down by the
citizen, they both conspired to deprive that woman of her 1st amendment
rights.
Frank Ney N4ZHG WV/EMT-B NRA(L) GOA CCRKBA JPFO ProvNRA LPWV
--
Government has four basic functions: Robbery, Rape, Slavery, Genocide.
The reason for this is that government, all government, is a criminal
enterprise. It has no legitimate purpose.
- Michael Bradshaw
http://www.ncc-1776.com/tle2004/tle298-20041121-02.html
United Airlines Must Die! http://www.dont-fly.com
Abuses by the BATF http://www.elfie.org/~croaker/batfabus.html
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| User: "Rump Ranger" |
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09 Feb 2005 06:08:33 PM |
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Frank Ney wrote:
On Tue, 08 Feb 2005 17:46:57 GMT, an orbiting mind control laser
caused
InspCrosetti@msn.com (Inspector Crosetti) to write:
I agree but the numbers are very small. The mojority of us view them
as odd & they dont last long in the profession.
So tell me, what disciplinary action has been taken against that
Denver
police sergeant?
What incident are you reffering to? Over here in Chicago, Libertarians
are having a field day with several Chicago PD cops being found out
shaking down drug dealers for money in exchange of letting them sell
their ***** to children. Got away with it for a while (while the CPD
looked the other way) until journalists exposed it. It's not hard to
find cops abusing their position. It's all over the place.
Here's what he should have gotten:
If two or more persons conspire to injure, oppress, threaten, or
intimidate
any person in any State, Territory, Commonwealth, Possession, or
District
in the free exercise or enjoyment of any right or privilege secured
to him
by the Constitution or laws of the United States, or because of his
having
so exercised the same; or
If two or more persons go in disguise on the highway, or on the
premises of
another, with intent to prevent or hinder his free exercise or
enjoyment of
any right or privilege so secured-
They shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than ten
years,
or both; and if death results from the acts committed in violation of
this
section or if such acts include kidnapping or an attempt to kidnap,
aggravated sexual abuse or an attempt to commit aggravated sexual
abuse, or
an attempt to kill, they shall be fined under this title or
imprisoned for
any term of years or for life, or both, or may be sentenced to death.
18 USC 241
It became a conspiracy the instant that cop was flagged down by the
citizen, they both conspired to deprive that woman of her 1st
amendment
rights.
Frank Ney N4ZHG WV/EMT-B NRA(L) GOA CCRKBA JPFO ProvNRA LPWV
--
Government has four basic functions: Robbery, Rape, Slavery,
Genocide.
The reason for this is that government, all government, is a criminal
enterprise. It has no legitimate purpose.
- Michael Bradshaw
http://www.ncc-1776.com/tle2004/tle298-20041121-02.html
United Airlines Must Die! http://www.dont-fly.com
Abuses by the BATF http://www.elfie.org/~croaker/batfabus.html
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| User: "Frank Ney" |
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09 Feb 2005 07:33:53 PM |
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On 9 Feb 2005 16:08:33 -0800, an orbiting mind control laser caused "Rump
Ranger" <buttpirate@fadmail.com> to write:
So tell me, what disciplinary action has been taken against that
Denver police sergeant?
What incident are you reffering to?
Lady had a "***** Bush" bumper sticker on her truck. Some yob got offended
and flagged down this cop. Cop threatened her with arrest if she didn't
remove said sticker. Instant 18 USC 241 felony, since two people make it a
conspiracy. The cop probably got 14 days of desk duty -- that's how much
Denver cares about your civil rights.
Over here in Chicago, Libertarians
are having a field day with several Chicago PD cops being found out
shaking down drug dealers for money in exchange of letting them sell
their ***** to children. Got away with it for a while (while the CPD
looked the other way) until journalists exposed it. It's not hard to
find cops abusing their position. It's all over the place.
Not surprising. It's news when you find a good cop, these days. They're
so rare.
Frank Ney N4ZHG WV/EMT-B NRA(L) GOA CCRKBA JPFO ProvNRA LPWV
--
Government has four basic functions: Robbery, Rape, Slavery, Genocide.
The reason for this is that government, all government, is a criminal
enterprise. It has no legitimate purpose.
- Michael Bradshaw
http://www.ncc-1776.com/tle2004/tle298-20041121-02.html
United Airlines Must Die! http://www.dont-fly.com
Abuses by the BATF http://www.elfie.org/~croaker/batfabus.html
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| User: "Rump Ranger" |
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09 Feb 2005 08:05:14 PM |
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Frank Ney wrote:
On 9 Feb 2005 16:08:33 -0800, an orbiting mind control laser caused
"Rump
Ranger" <buttpirate@fadmail.com> to write:
So tell me, what disciplinary action has been taken against that
Denver police sergeant?
What incident are you reffering to?
Lady had a "***** Bush" bumper sticker on her truck. Some yob got
offended
and flagged down this cop. Cop threatened her with arrest if she
didn't
remove said sticker. Instant 18 USC 241 felony, since two people
make it a
conspiracy. The cop probably got 14 days of desk duty -- that's how
much
Denver cares about your civil rights.
Know what's scary? The shocking part is if the cop got punished at
all.
Over here in Chicago, Libertarians
are having a field day with several Chicago PD cops being found out
shaking down drug dealers for money in exchange of letting them sell
their ***** to children. Got away with it for a while (while the CPD
looked the other way) until journalists exposed it. It's not hard
to
find cops abusing their position. It's all over the place.
Not surprising. It's news when you find a good cop, these days.
They're
so rare.
Indeed.
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| User: "Inspector Crosetti" |
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| Title: Re: Do police officers serve and protect the public? |
09 Feb 2005 01:10:11 AM |
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On Tue, 08 Feb 2005 23:07:59 -0500, Frank Ney <n4zhg@icqmail.com>
wrote:
On Tue, 08 Feb 2005 17:46:57 GMT, an orbiting mind control laser caused
InspCrosetti@msn.com (Inspector Crosetti) to write:
I agree but the numbers are very small. The mojority of us view them
as odd & they dont last long in the profession.
So tell me, what disciplinary action has been taken against that Denver
police sergeant?
Here's what he should have gotten:
If two or more persons conspire to injure, oppress, threaten, or intimidate
any person in any State, Territory, Commonwealth, Possession, or District
in the free exercise or enjoyment of any right or privilege secured to him
by the Constitution or laws of the United States, or because of his having
so exercised the same; or
If two or more persons go in disguise on the highway, or on the premises of
another, with intent to prevent or hinder his free exercise or enjoyment of
any right or privilege so secured—
They shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than ten years,
or both; and if death results from the acts committed in violation of this
section or if such acts include kidnapping or an attempt to kidnap,
aggravated sexual abuse or an attempt to commit aggravated sexual abuse, or
an attempt to kill, they shall be fined under this title or imprisoned for
any term of years or for life, or both, or may be sentenced to death.
18 USC 241
It became a conspiracy the instant that cop was flagged down by the
citizen, they both conspired to deprive that woman of her 1st amendment
rights.
Frank Ney N4ZHG WV/EMT-B NRA(L) GOA CCRKBA JPFO ProvNRA LPWV
Read up on legislative intent.
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| User: "Frank Ney" |
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09 Feb 2005 07:34:53 PM |
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On Wed, 09 Feb 2005 07:10:11 GMT, an orbiting mind control laser caused
InspCrosetti@msn.com (Inspector Crosetti) to write:
It became a conspiracy the instant that cop was flagged down by the
citizen, they both conspired to deprive that woman of her 1st amendment
rights.
Read up on legislative intent.
Thank you for dodging the question and admitting you're a racist in a
public forum. Your credibility score is now zero.
Frank Ney N4ZHG WV/EMT-B NRA(L) GOA CCRKBA JPFO ProvNRA LPWV
--
Wanna see real terrorism? Just 'hole up' in a 'compound' somewhere
in rural Texas while publicly asserting your rights under the first ten
amendments to the Constitution. You'll have terrorists coming out of your *****.
United Airlines Must Die! http://www.dont-fly.com
Abuses by the BATF http://www.elfie.org/~croaker/batfabus.html
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| User: "Rump Ranger" |
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09 Feb 2005 08:07:48 PM |
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Frank Ney wrote:
On Wed, 09 Feb 2005 07:10:11 GMT, an orbiting mind control laser
caused
InspCrosetti@msn.com (Inspector Crosetti) to write:
It became a conspiracy the instant that cop was flagged down by the
citizen, they both conspired to deprive that woman of her 1st
amendment
rights.
Read up on legislative intent.
Thank you for dodging the question and admitting you're a racist in a
public forum. Your credibility score is now zero.
He got there in this thread a long time ago. He should have ended with
his response to the joke about not being a victim on a cop's coffee and
scone break.
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| User: "Inspector Crosetti" |
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| Title: Re: Do police officers serve and protect the public? |
11 Feb 2005 12:46:38 PM |
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On Wed, 09 Feb 2005 20:34:53 -0500, Frank Ney <n4zhg@icqmail.com>
wrote:
On Wed, 09 Feb 2005 07:10:11 GMT, an orbiting mind control laser caused
InspCrosetti@msn.com (Inspector Crosetti) to write:
It became a conspiracy the instant that cop was flagged down by the
citizen, they both conspired to deprive that woman of her 1st amendment
rights.
Read up on legislative intent.
Thank you for dodging the question and admitting you're a racist in a
public forum. Your credibility score is now zero.
Credibility? Is that why you are on the no fly list?
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| User: "Rump Ranger" |
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| Title: Re: Do police officers serve and protect the public? |
11 Feb 2005 06:06:10 PM |
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Inspector Crosetti wrote:
On Wed, 09 Feb 2005 20:34:53 -0500, Frank Ney <n4zhg@icqmail.com>
wrote:
On Wed, 09 Feb 2005 07:10:11 GMT, an orbiting mind control laser
caused
InspCrosetti@msn.com (Inspector Crosetti) to write:
It became a conspiracy the instant that cop was flagged down by
the
citizen, they both conspired to deprive that woman of her 1st
amendment
rights.
Read up on legislative intent.
Thank you for dodging the question and admitting you're a racist in
a
public forum. Your credibility score is now zero.
Credibility? Is that why you are on the no fly list?
Has nothing to do with credibility when it's a *political* tool,
dipshit. Ted Kennedy was also on it a few months back. Hate Ted
Kennedy all you want, but the idea that Ted Kennedy posed a security
risk on airplanes is absurd.
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| User: "Inspector Crosetti" |
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| Title: Re: Do police officers serve and protect the public? |
12 Feb 2005 10:47:33 AM |
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On 11 Feb 2005 16:06:10 -0800, "Rump Ranger" <buttpirate@fadmail.com>
wrote:
Credibility? Is that why you are on the no fly list?
Has nothing to do with credibility when it's a *political* tool,
dipshit. Ted Kennedy was also on it a few months back. Hate Ted
Kennedy all you want, but the idea that Ted Kennedy posed a security
risk on airplanes is absurd.
If he flies the way he drives.......
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| User: "Rump Ranger" |
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| Title: Re: Do police officers serve and protect the public? |
18 Feb 2005 11:38:22 AM |
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Inspector Crosetti wrote:
On 11 Feb 2005 16:06:10 -0800, "Rump Ranger" <buttpirate@fadmail.com>
wrote:
Credibility? Is that why you are on the no fly list?
Has nothing to do with credibility when it's a *political* tool,
dipshit. Ted Kennedy was also on it a few months back. Hate Ted
Kennedy all you want, but the idea that Ted Kennedy posed a security
risk on airplanes is absurd.
If he flies the way he drives.......
Heh. Too bad he wasn't the pilot.
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| User: "Cole Firearms Inc." |
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| Title: Re: Do police officers serve and protect the public? |
11 Feb 2005 06:52:37 PM |
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Rump Ranger wrote:
Inspector Crosetti wrote:
On Wed, 09 Feb 2005 20:34:53 -0500, Frank Ney <n4zhg@icqmail.com>
wrote:
On Wed, 09 Feb 2005 07:10:11 GMT, an orbiting mind control laser
caused
InspCrosetti@msn.com (Inspector Crosetti) to write:
It became a conspiracy the instant that cop was flagged down by
the
citizen, they both conspired to deprive that woman of her 1st
amendment
rights.
Read up on legislative intent.
Thank you for dodging the question and admitting you're a racist in
a
public forum. Your credibility score is now zero.
Credibility? Is that why you are on the no fly list?
Has nothing to do with credibility when it's a *political* tool,
dipshit. Ted Kennedy was also on it a few months back. Hate Ted
Kennedy all you want, but the idea that Ted Kennedy posed a security
risk on airplanes is absurd.
Of course ted kennedy is a security risk, as is every traitor.
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| User: "Rump Ranger" |
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| Title: Re: Do police officers serve and protect the public? |
12 Feb 2005 02:26:31 AM |
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Cole Firearms Inc. wrote:
Rump Ranger wrote:
Inspector Crosetti wrote:
On Wed, 09 Feb 2005 20:34:53 -0500, Frank Ney <n4zhg@icqmail.com>
wrote:
On Wed, 09 Feb 2005 07:10:11 GMT, an orbiting mind control laser
caused
InspCrosetti@msn.com (Inspector Crosetti) to write:
It became a conspiracy the instant that cop was flagged down by
the
citizen, they both conspired to deprive that woman of her 1st
amendment
rights.
Read up on legislative intent.
Thank you for dodging the question and admitting you're a racist
in
a
public forum. Your credibility score is now zero.
Credibility? Is that why you are on the no fly list?
Has nothing to do with credibility when it's a *political* tool,
dipshit. Ted Kennedy was also on it a few months back. Hate Ted
Kennedy all you want, but the idea that Ted Kennedy posed a
security
risk on airplanes is absurd.
Of course ted kennedy is a security risk, as is every traitor.
So? The chances of TK hijacking a plane is *nil.*
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| User: "Inspector Crosetti" |
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| Title: Re: Do police officers serve and protect the public? |
12 Feb 2005 10:48:16 AM |
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On 12 Feb 2005 00:26:31 -0800, "Rump Ranger" <buttpirate@fadmail.com>
wrote:
Cole Firearms Inc. wrote:
Rump Ranger wrote:
Inspector Crosetti wrote:
On Wed, 09 Feb 2005 20:34:53 -0500, Frank Ney <n4zhg@icqmail.com>
wrote:
On Wed, 09 Feb 2005 07:10:11 GMT, an orbiting mind control laser
caused
InspCrosetti@msn.com (Inspector Crosetti) to write:
It became a conspiracy the instant that cop was flagged down by
the
citizen, they both conspired to deprive that woman of her 1st
amendment
rights.
Read up on legislative intent.
Thank you for dodging the question and admitting you're a racist
in
a
public forum. Your credibility score is now zero.
Credibility? Is that why you are on the no fly list?
Has nothing to do with credibility when it's a *political* tool,
dipshit. Ted Kennedy was also on it a few months back. Hate Ted
Kennedy all you want, but the idea that Ted Kennedy posed a
security
risk on airplanes is absurd.
Of course ted kennedy is a security risk, as is every traitor.
So? The chances of TK hijacking a plane is *nil.*
Most likely he would be too intoxicated.
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| User: "Rump Ranger" |
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| Title: Re: Do police officers serve and protect the public? |
18 Feb 2005 11:39:23 AM |
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Inspector Crosetti wrote:
On 12 Feb 2005 00:26:31 -0800, "Rump Ranger" <buttpirate@fadmail.com>
wrote:
Cole Firearms Inc. wrote:
Rump Ranger wrote:
Inspector Crosetti wrote:
On Wed, 09 Feb 2005 20:34:53 -0500, Frank Ney
<n4zhg@icqmail.com>
wrote:
On Wed, 09 Feb 2005 07:10:11 GMT, an orbiting mind control
laser
caused
InspCrosetti@msn.com (Inspector Crosetti) to write:
It became a conspiracy the instant that cop was flagged down
by
the
citizen, they both conspired to deprive that woman of her 1st
amendment
rights.
Read up on legislative intent.
Thank you for dodging the question and admitting you're a
racist
in
a
public forum. Your credibility score is now zero.
Credibility? Is that why you are on the no fly list?
Has nothing to do with credibility when it's a *political* tool,
dipshit. Ted Kennedy was also on it a few months back. Hate
Ted
Kennedy all you want, but the idea that Ted Kennedy posed a
security
risk on airplanes is absurd.
Of course ted kennedy is a security risk, as is every traitor.
So? The chances of TK hijacking a plane is *nil.*
Most likely he would be too intoxicated.
Know what? Me and you finally agree on something. Chances are the fat
***** would run out of breath getting out of his seat.
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| User: "Frank Ney" |
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| Title: Re: Do police officers serve and protect the public? |
12 Feb 2005 07:34:28 AM |
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On 12 Feb 2005 00:26:31 -0800, an orbiting mind control laser caused "Rump
Ranger" <buttpirate@fadmail.com> to write:
Of course ted kennedy is a security risk, as is every traitor.
So? The chances of TK hijacking a plane is *nil.*
And the chances of me hijacking a plane in nonexistent. In fact, I would
be first in line to resist a hijacking at the first opportunity.
But I'm on the no-fly list, for advocating that anyone who wishes to arm
themselves against a hijacker should be able to do so. As well as accusing
the TSA of creating an internal visa system to keep the "politically
incorrect" from exercising their 10th Amendment right to travel.
Obviously, I was right on both counts.
Frank Ney N4ZHG WV/EMT-B NRA(L) GOA CCRKBA JPFO ProvNRA LPWV
--
"Free market doesn't mean being nice to big stupid corporations. Free
market means letting big stupid corporations out on their own and let
the forces of free market make short work of them if the continue
being stupid." - Jason 8 Aug 2003
United Airlines Must Die! http://www.dont-fly.com
Abuses by the BATF http://www.elfie.org/~croaker/batfabus.html
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| User: "Rump Ranger" |
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| Title: Re: Do police officers serve and protect the public? |
18 Feb 2005 11:37:28 AM |
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Frank Ney wrote:
On 12 Feb 2005 00:26:31 -0800, an orbiting mind control laser caused
"Rump
Ranger" <buttpirate@fadmail.com> to write:
Of course ted kennedy is a security risk, as is every traitor.
So? The chances of TK hijacking a plane is *nil.*
And the chances of me hijacking a plane in nonexistent. In fact, I
would
be first in line to resist a hijacking at the first opportunity.
Which just goes to show that the no-fly list has nothing to do with
"public safety" no matter how much the American fascists say otherwise.
But I'm on the no-fly list, for advocating that anyone who wishes to
arm
themselves against a hijacker should be able to do so. As well as
accusing
the TSA of creating an internal visa system to keep the "politically
incorrect" from exercising their 10th Amendment right to travel.
Obviously, I was right on both counts.
Of course. It's a political tool rather than something to do with
"credibility" or "safety." The only ones who honestly believe
otherwise are either ignorant, liars, or both.
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| User: "Cole Firearms Inc." |
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| Title: Re: Do police officers serve and protect the public? |
12 Feb 2005 03:51:16 AM |
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Rump Ranger wrote:
Cole Firearms Inc. wrote:
Rump Ranger wrote:
Inspector Crosetti wrote:
On Wed, 09 Feb 2005 20:34:53 -0500, Frank Ney <n4zhg@icqmail.com>
wrote:
On Wed, 09 Feb 2005 07:10:11 GMT, an orbiting mind control laser
caused
InspCrosetti@msn.com (Inspector Crosetti) to write:
It became a conspiracy the instant that cop was flagged down by
the
citizen, they both conspired to deprive that woman of her 1st
amendment
rights.
Read up on legislative intent.
Thank you for dodging the question and admitting you're a racist
in
a
public forum. Your credibility score is now zero.
Credibility? Is that why you are on the no fly list?
Has nothing to do with credibility when it's a *political* tool,
dipshit. Ted Kennedy was also on it a few months back. Hate Ted
Kennedy all you want, but the idea that Ted Kennedy posed a
security
risk on airplanes is absurd.
Of course ted kennedy is a security risk, as is every traitor.
So? The chances of TK hijacking a plane is *nil.*
And it is just as likely that osama will personally hijack a plane, but
we still shouldn't let either one on an airplane.
--
""Sic Semper Tyrannis" - Thus Always with Tyrants - John Wilkes Booth"
"Per ardua nec flectitur nec mutat. Confido,
est voluntas dei, invictus maneo. Addere leci justitiam
deo certavi et vici." - Rev. Shawn Cole, Cole Firearms Inc.
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| User: "Rump Ranger" |
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| Title: Re: Do police officers serve and protect the public? |
18 Feb 2005 11:34:08 AM |
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Cole Firearms Inc. wrote:
Rump Ranger wrote:
Cole Firearms Inc. wrote:
Rump Ranger wrote:
Inspector Crosetti wrote:
On Wed, 09 Feb 2005 20:34:53 -0500, Frank Ney <n4zhg@icqmail.com>
wrote:
On Wed, 09 Feb 2005 07:10:11 GMT, an orbiting mind control laser
caused
InspCrosetti@msn.com (Inspector Crosetti) to write:
It became a conspiracy the instant that cop was flagged down
by
the
citizen, they both conspired to deprive that woman of her 1st
amendment
rights.
Read up on legislative intent.
Thank you for dodging the question and admitting you're a racist
in
a
public forum. Your credibility score is now zero.
Credibility? Is that why you are on the no fly list?
Has nothing to do with credibility when it's a *political* tool,
dipshit. Ted Kennedy was also on it a few months back. Hate Ted
Kennedy all you want, but the idea that Ted Kennedy posed a
security
risk on airplanes is absurd.
Of course ted kennedy is a security risk, as is every traitor.
So? The chances of TK hijacking a plane is *nil.*
And it is just as likely that osama will personally hijack a plane,
but
we still shouldn't let either one on an airplane.
Are you that stupid? OBL orders an attack on the WTC and Ted Kennedy
is a Democratic Senator who happens to be highly critical of the Bush
regime (who gets to put people on the list in secret). Love TK or hate
him, the two don't even compare.
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| User: "Napalm Heart" |
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| Title: Re: Do police officers serve and protect the public? |
18 Feb 2005 08:18:29 PM |
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"Rump Ranger" <buttpirate@fadmail.com> wrote in message
news:1108748048.927846.104930@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com...
Cole Firearms Inc. wrote:
Rump Ranger wrote:
Cole Firearms Inc. wrote:
Rump Ranger wrote:
Inspector Crosetti wrote:
On Wed, 09 Feb 2005 20:34:53 -0500, Frank Ney
<n4zhg@icqmail.com>
wrote:
On Wed, 09 Feb 2005 07:10:11 GMT, an orbiting mind control
laser
caused
InspCrosetti@msn.com (Inspector Crosetti) to write:
It became a conspiracy the instant that cop was flagged
down
by
the
citizen, they both conspired to deprive that woman of her
1st
amendment
rights.
Read up on legislative intent.
Thank you for dodging the question and admitting you're a
racist
in
a
public forum. Your credibility score is now zero.
Credibility? Is that why you are on the no fly list?
Has nothing to do with credibility when it's a *political*
tool,
dipshit. Ted Kennedy was also on it a few months back. Hate
Ted
Kennedy all you want, but the idea that Ted Kennedy posed a
security
risk on airplanes is absurd.
Of course ted kennedy is a security risk, as is every traitor.
So? The chances of TK hijacking a plane is *nil.*
And it is just as likely that osama will personally hijack a
plane,
but
we still shouldn't let either one on an airplane.
Are you that stupid? OBL orders an attack on the WTC and Ted
Kennedy
is a Democratic Senator who happens to be highly critical of the
Bush
regime (who gets to put people on the list in secret). Love TK or
hate
him, the two don't even compare.
Exactly. TK is an enemy within our own borders, therefore more
dangerous.
Ken (MI)
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| User: "Rump Ranger" |
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| Title: Re: Do police officers serve and protect the public? |
18 Feb 2005 09:46:07 PM |
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Napalm Heart wrote:
"Rump Ranger" <buttpirate@fadmail.com> wrote in message
news:1108748048.927846.104930@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com...
Cole Firearms Inc. wrote:
Rump Ranger wrote:
Cole Firearms Inc. wrote:
Rump Ranger wrote:
Inspector Crosetti wrote:
On Wed, 09 Feb 2005 20:34:53 -0500, Frank Ney
<n4zhg@icqmail.com>
wrote:
On Wed, 09 Feb 2005 07:10:11 GMT, an orbiting mind control
laser
caused
InspCrosetti@msn.com (Inspector Crosetti) to write:
It became a conspiracy the instant that cop was flagged
down
by
the
citizen, they both conspired to deprive that woman of her
1st
amendment
rights.
Read up on legislative intent.
Thank you for dodging the question and admitting you're a
racist
in
a
public forum. Your credibility score is now zero.
Credibility? Is that why you are on the no fly list?
Has nothing to do with credibility when it's a *political*
tool,
dipshit. Ted Kennedy was also on it a few months back. Hate
Ted
Kennedy all you want, but the idea that Ted Kennedy posed a
security
risk on airplanes is absurd.
Of course ted kennedy is a security risk, as is every traitor.
So? The chances of TK hijacking a plane is *nil.*
And it is just as likely that osama will personally hijack a
plane,
but
we still shouldn't let either one on an airplane.
Are you that stupid? OBL orders an attack on the WTC and Ted
Kennedy
is a Democratic Senator who happens to be highly critical of the
Bush
regime (who gets to put people on the list in secret). Love TK or
hate
him, the two don't even compare.
Exactly. TK is an enemy within our own borders, therefore more
dangerous.
Indeed. Although if "plane safety" was the basis for why people were
included on the no-fly list, Bush, Cheney, and Rumsfeld would qualify
as more likely to hijack planes than Ted Kennedy. Make no mistake,
TK's against us, but he's far less dangerous than BushCo is, who just
happens to control the lapdog corporate media (illegally censored by
"our" government and dishonestly calling itself "liberal"). Clinton's
blowjobs aside, there's no rational basis for anyone to say the
Rethuglicans like Bush and Reagen are better for America than Clinton
was (yeah, Reno was a fascist, but she's mild compared to Ayatollah
Ashcroft, who as loath as I'd like to say it, might actually not be the
worst AG in US history four years from now. Chances are it will be
Gonzales, the war criminal currently running the Department of
"Jusitice").
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| User: "Cole Firearms Inc." |
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| Title: Re: Do police officers serve and protect the public? |
18 Feb 2005 12:18:17 PM |
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Rump Ranger wrote:
Cole Firearms Inc. wrote:
Rump Ranger wrote:
Cole Firearms Inc. wrote:
Rump Ranger wrote:
Inspector Crosetti wrote:
On Wed, 09 Feb 2005 20:34:53 -0500, Frank Ney <n4zhg@icqmail.com>
wrote:
On Wed, 09 Feb 2005 07:10:11 GMT, an orbiting mind control laser
caused
InspCrosetti@msn.com (Inspector Crosetti) to write:
It became a conspiracy the instant that cop was flagged down
by
the
citizen, they both conspired to deprive that woman of her 1st
amendment
rights.
Read up on legislative intent.
Thank you for dodging the question and admitting you're a racist
in
a
public forum. Your credibility score is now zero.
Credibility? Is that why you are on the no fly list?
Has nothing to do with credibility when it's a *political* tool,
dipshit. Ted Kennedy was also on it a few months back. Hate Ted
Kennedy all you want, but the idea that Ted Kennedy posed a
security
risk on airplanes is absurd.
Of course ted kennedy is a security risk, as is every traitor.
So? The chances of TK hijacking a plane is *nil.*
And it is just as likely that osama will personally hijack a plane,
but
we still shouldn't let either one on an airplane.
Are you that stupid? OBL orders an attack on the WTC and Ted Kennedy
is a Democratic Senator who happens to be highly critical of the Bush
regime (who gets to put people on the list in secret). Love TK or hate
him, the two don't even compare.
They both are advancing the objectives of the other. That means they are
working together.
--
""Sic Semper Tyrannis" - Thus Always with Tyrants - John Wilkes Booth"
"Per ardua nec flectitur nec mutat. Confido,
est voluntas dei, invictus maneo. Addere leci justitiam
deo certavi et vici." - Rev. Shawn Cole, Cole Firearms Inc.
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| User: "Rump Ranger" |
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| Title: Re: Do police officers serve and protect the public? |
18 Feb 2005 09:36:44 PM |
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Cole Firearms Inc. wrote:
Rump Ranger wrote:
Cole Firearms Inc. wrote:
Rump Ranger wrote:
Cole Firearms Inc. wrote:
Rump Ranger wrote:
Inspector Crosetti wrote:
On Wed, 09 Feb 2005 20:34:53 -0500, Frank Ney
<n4zhg@icqmail.com>
wrote:
On Wed, 09 Feb 2005 07:10:11 GMT, an orbiting mind control
laser
caused
InspCrosetti@msn.com (Inspector Crosetti) to write:
It became a conspiracy the instant that cop was flagged down
by
the
citizen, they both conspired to deprive that woman of her
1st
amendment
rights.
Read up on legislative intent.
Thank you for dodging the question and admitting you're a
racist
in
a
public forum. Your credibility score is now zero.
Credibility? Is that why you are on the no fly list?
Has nothing to do with credibility when it's a *political* tool,
dipshit. Ted Kennedy was also on it a few months back. Hate
Ted
Kennedy all you want, but the idea that Ted Kennedy posed a
security
risk on airplanes is absurd.
Of course ted kennedy is a security risk, as is every traitor.
So? The chances of TK hijacking a plane is *nil.*
And it is just as likely that osama will personally hijack a plane,
but
we still shouldn't let either one on an airplane.
Are you that stupid? OBL orders an attack on the WTC and Ted
Kennedy
is a Democratic Senator who happens to be highly critical of the
Bush
regime (who gets to put people on the list in secret). Love TK or
hate
him, the two don't even compare.
They both are advancing the objectives of the other. That means they
are
working together.
Not that I disagree that both are bent on destroying our people, but
the only way TK will bring down a plane is if it can't handle his
weight.
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| User: "Frank Ney" |
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| Title: Re: Do police officers serve and protect the public? |
21 Feb 2005 08:27:30 AM |
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On Fri, 18 Feb 2005 18:18:17 GMT, an orbiting mind control laser caused
"Cole Firearms Inc." <colefirearms11@sbcglobal.net> to write:
They both are advancing the objectives of the other. That means they are
working together.
In other words, you don't believe that the term "loyal opposition" is a
concept that you need to consider. TK is a traitor, as am I.
Frank Ney N4ZHG WV/EMT-B NRA(L) GOA CCRKBA JPFO ProvNRA LPWV
--
Government has four basic functions: Robbery, Rape, Slavery, Genocide.
The reason for this is that government, all government, is a criminal
enterprise. It has no legitimate purpose.
- Michael Bradshaw
http://www.ncc-1776.com/tle2004/tle298-20041121-02.html
United Airlines Must Die! http://www.dont-fly.com
Abuses by the BATF http://www.elfie.org/~croaker/batfabus.html
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| User: "Cole Firearms Inc." |
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| Title: Re: Do police officers serve and protect the public? |
21 Feb 2005 12:13:37 PM |
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Frank Ney wrote:
On Fri, 18 Feb 2005 18:18:17 GMT, an orbiting mind control laser caused
"Cole Firearms Inc." <colefirearms11@sbcglobal.net> to write:
They both are advancing the objectives of the other. That means they are
working together.
In other words, you don't believe that the term "loyal opposition" is a
concept that you need to consider.
TK is a traitor,
Yes.
as am I.
When was the last time you tried to take human Rights away from people?
When was the last time you gave support to our enemies?
When was the last time you actively worked to harm America?
--
""Sic Semper Tyrannis" - Thus Always with Tyrants - John Wilkes Booth"
"Per ardua nec flectitur nec mutat. Confido,
est voluntas dei, invictus maneo. Addere leci justitiam
deo certavi et vici." - Rev. Shawn Cole, Cole Firearms Inc.
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| User: "Frank Ney" |
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| Title: Re: Do police officers serve and protect the public? |
22 Feb 2005 08:53:11 PM |
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On Mon, 21 Feb 2005 18:13:37 GMT, an orbiting mind control laser caused
"Cole Firearms Inc." <colefirearms11@sbcglobal.net> to write:
as am I.
When was the last time you tried to take human Rights away from people?
When was the last time you gave support to our enemies?
When was the last time you actively worked to harm America?
According to the Bush regime, 2003. That's when I was places on the no-fly
list as a threat to public air transportation.
Frank Ney N4ZHG WV/EMT-B NRA(L) GOA CCRKBA JPFO ProvNRA LPWV
--
Government has four basic functions: Robbery, Rape, Slavery, Genocide.
The reason for this is that government, all government, is a criminal
enterprise. It has no legitimate purpose.
- Michael Bradshaw
http://www.ncc-1776.com/tle2004/tle298-20041121-02.html
United Airlines Must Die! http://www.dont-fly.com
Abuses by the BATF http://www.elfie.org/~croaker/batfabus.html
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| User: "Cole Firearms Inc." |
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| Title: Re: Do police officers serve and protect the public? |
22 Feb 2005 09:55:28 PM |
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Frank Ney wrote:
On Mon, 21 Feb 2005 18:13:37 GMT, an orbiting mind control laser caused
"Cole Firearms Inc." <colefirearms11@sbcglobal.net> to write:
as am I.
When was the last time you tried to take human Rights away from people?
When was the last time you gave support to our enemies?
When was the last time you actively worked to harm America?
According to the Bush regime, 2003. That's when I was places on the no-fly
list as a threat to public air transportation.
You fly under your real name?????
--
""Sic Semper Tyrannis" - Thus Always with Tyrants - John Wilkes Booth"
"Per ardua nec flectitur nec mutat. Confido,
est voluntas dei, invictus maneo. Addere leci justitiam
deo certavi et vici." - Rev. Shawn Cole, Cole Firearms Inc.
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