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28 Jan 2005 04:31:24 AM |
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Do police officers serve and protect the public? |
Why is it that a cop who kills an unarmed man is not charged with
murder like the rest of us would be? Why are cops allowed to abduct
people off the street and it's a crime to use your right to
self-defense? Why are most cops domestic batterers? Why do cops steal
so much of our money through asset forfeiture? For people who sell
themselves as "serving" and "protecting" us, they sure don't act like
it:
http://brownwatch.squarespace.com/police-brutality-archives/
http://www.fear.org/
Could it be that the cops have nothing to do with protecting average
citizens? Probably so.
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http://www.lewrockwell.com/orig4/peters3.html
To Serve and Protect - Itself
by John M. Peters
On November 18, 2001, a woman was shot to death in her suburban Detroit
home by her distraught husband. He then turned the gun on himself and
died instantly.
Unfortunately, this scenario is played out all too often across the
nation. If these were the only facts, you might shrug with empathy and
ask yourself why this merits your consideration. This case was
different.
In this case, the police were present - not following the
murder/suicide - but before and during it.
Following threats by her husband to her life and the lives of her
children, the woman went directly to the local police. She informed
them that she was in fear for her life and the lives of her children if
she tried to move out of the marital home. She informed the police that
her husband had a gun, had threatened her and her children that day,
and that she wanted to move out of the home. The police computer
confirmed a personal protection order had been issued by the court
against the husband.
The police agreed to accompany the woman to her home and remain there
while she removed her personal belongings and her children. Two
officers accompanied her to her home and remained inside to the end -
the end of her life and her husband's.
Despite encountering the husband, and having been apprised of all the
facts which led them to accompany the woman to her home, the police
never questioned the husband, segregated him from his wife or even
bothered to search him for a gun. They hung around and watched as the
husband followed his wife back and forth from the home to her car with
her personal belongings.
As the police spoke with others in the house, the husband followed his
wife into her bedroom, closed the door and shot her. He then shot
himself. This was exactly what the wife had asked the police to protect
her from, and what they had agreed to do.
If these police officers had been private security officers instead,
they and their employer would be held accountable in a court of law
under breach of contract or negligence theories. Alas, they are
government employees. The result is that they are not accountable for
their malfeasance or her death. This is what separates the private
sector from government.
Another government branch - the courts - has decided that police
are not legally responsible for such gross failures. In Michigan, the
state's highest court has decided that individual police officers may
not be sued unless they are the only cause of the injury or death. This
special treatment is not available to those in the private sector. In
every case involving private individuals or companies, negligence is
assessed on the basis of each party's percentage of fault. Yet
another branch of government - the Michigan legislature - passed a
statute which grants absolute immunity to any municipality, thereby
barring any claim against the officers' employer. No such privilege
is available to private sector employers.
Faced with these obstructions, the deceased woman's estate pursued a
claim against the officers' employer in federal court alleging that
she was deprived of her life without due process of law. On June 9,
2004 a federal judge dismissed the estate's case. The basis for the
dismissal was that, "a State's failure to protect an individual
against private violence simply does not constitute a violation of the
Due Process Clause." Coming from the U.S. Supreme Court, this is the
law in every state. This outrage is compounded by the government's
simultaneous efforts to prevent citizens from taking any steps to
protect themselves, and punishing them when they do.
How do you explain this state of affairs to the family of the deceased?
It was not easy. I was the attorney left with the task.
Writers such as Steven Greenhut and Paul Craig Roberts have sounded the
alarm on this growing trend of law enforcement's lack of
accountability, but the truth is that most citizens actually believe
that the police are under some legal duty to come to your aid.
In oral arguments before the federal court, I closed by noting that if
this is the state of the law in this country the courts should require
that all police vehicles be posted with a warning label which reads:
Caution: We are not required to protect you. Then, I explained, we will
at least know the truth, and be able to take steps to protect
ourselves.
The next time you read the phrase To Serve and Protect on a police
vehicle, remember that this is government's motto about itself, not
you.
June 24, 2004
John M. Peters [send him mail] is a practicing attorney in Michigan.
Copyright =A9 2004 LewRockwell.com
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| User: "Inspector Crosetti" |
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21 Feb 2005 09:47:11 AM |
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On Mon, 21 Feb 2005 09:27:30 -0500, Frank Ney <n4zhg@icqmail.com>
wrote:
On Fri, 18 Feb 2005 18:18:17 GMT, an orbiting mind control laser caused
"Cole Firearms Inc." <colefirearms11@sbcglobal.net> to write:
They both are advancing the objectives of the other. That means they are
working together.
In other words, you don't believe that the term "loyal opposition" is a
concept that you need to consider. TK is a traitor, as am I.
Frank Ney N4ZHG WV/EMT-B NRA(L) GOA CCRKBA JPFO ProvNRA LPWV
And in the end, you know what they do with traitors.
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| User: "John Graeme" |
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21 Feb 2005 03:13:52 PM |
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Inspector Crosetti wrote:
On Mon, 21 Feb 2005 09:27:30 -0500, Frank Ney <n4zhg@icqmail.com>
wrote:
On Fri, 18 Feb 2005 18:18:17 GMT, an orbiting mind control laser
caused
"Cole Firearms Inc." <colefirearms11@sbcglobal.net> to write:
They both are advancing the objectives of the other. That means
they are
working together.
In other words, you don't believe that the term "loyal opposition"
is a
concept that you need to consider. TK is a traitor, as am I.
Frank Ney N4ZHG WV/EMT-B NRA(L) GOA CCRKBA JPFO ProvNRA LPWV
And in the end, you know what they do with traitors.
The real traitors are the politicians, cops, and so-called
"liberals" who are subverting the basic principles of individual
rights and freedom that this country was founded on.
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| User: "Nick Hull" |
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| Title: Re: Do police officers serve and protect the public? |
22 Feb 2005 06:01:32 AM |
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In article <1109020432.386631.167180@c13g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>,
"John Graeme" <jdgraeme@my-deja.com> wrote:
Inspector Crosetti wrote:
On Mon, 21 Feb 2005 09:27:30 -0500, Frank Ney <n4zhg@icqmail.com>
wrote:
On Fri, 18 Feb 2005 18:18:17 GMT, an orbiting mind control laser
caused
"Cole Firearms Inc." <colefirearms11@sbcglobal.net> to write:
They both are advancing the objectives of the other. That means
they are
working together.
In other words, you don't believe that the term "loyal opposition"
is a
concept that you need to consider. TK is a traitor, as am I.
Frank Ney N4ZHG WV/EMT-B NRA(L) GOA CCRKBA JPFO ProvNRA LPWV
And in the end, you know what they do with traitors.
The real traitors are the politicians, cops, and so-called
"liberals" who are subverting the basic principles of individual
rights and freedom that this country was founded on.
And in the end we know what to do with them ;)
--
Free men own guns, slaves don't
www.geocities.com/CapitolHill/5357/
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| User: "Two Bears" |
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| Title: Re: Do police officers serve and protect the public? |
22 Feb 2005 08:39:03 PM |
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LOL.
OK, now tell us how to be patient.
Two Bears
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| User: "Frank Ney" |
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22 Feb 2005 08:53:10 PM |
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On Tue, 22 Feb 2005 07:01:32 -0500, an orbiting mind control laser caused
Nick Hull <nhull@access4less.net> to write:
The real traitors are the politicians, cops, and so-called
"liberals" who are subverting the basic principles of individual
rights and freedom that this country was founded on.
And in the end we know what to do with them ;)
There are several thousand trees and lamp posts in serious need of some
decoration.
Frank Ney N4ZHG WV/EMT-B LPWV NRA(L) ProvNRA GOA CCRKBA JPFO
--
"You don't expect governments to obey the law because of some
higher moral development. You expect them to obey the law because
they know that if they don't, those who aren't shot will be hanged."
-Michael Shirley
United Airlines Must Die! http://www.dont-fly.com
Abuses by the BATF http://www.elfie.org/~croaker/batfabus.html
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| User: "Michael Price" |
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23 Feb 2005 12:20:35 AM |
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Frank Ney wrote:
On Tue, 22 Feb 2005 07:01:32 -0500, an orbiting mind control laser
caused
Nick Hull <nhull@access4less.net> to write:
The real traitors are the politicians, cops, and so-called
"liberals" who are subverting the basic principles of individual
rights and freedom that this country was founded on.
And in the end we know what to do with them ;)
There are several thousand trees and lamp posts in
serious need of some decoration.
Hungry for some strange fruit? Way things are going
you might have to prepare the harvest fast, before it
prepares you.
Frank Ney N4ZHG WV/EMT-B LPWV NRA(L) ProvNRA GOA CCRKBA JPFO
--
"You don't expect governments to obey the law because of some
higher moral development. You expect them to obey the law because
they know that if they don't, those who aren't shot will be hanged."
-Michael Shirley
United Airlines Must Die! http://www.dont-fly.com
Abuses by the BATF http://www.elfie.org/~croaker/batfabus.html
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| User: "Walter Bushell" |
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15 Feb 2005 12:33:38 PM |
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In article <okkPd.29823$by5.14189@newssvr19.news.prodigy.com>,
"Cole Firearms Inc." <colefirearms11@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
Rump Ranger wrote:
Cole Firearms Inc. wrote:
Rump Ranger wrote:
Inspector Crosetti wrote:
On Wed, 09 Feb 2005 20:34:53 -0500, Frank Ney <n4zhg@icqmail.com>
wrote:
On Wed, 09 Feb 2005 07:10:11 GMT, an orbiting mind control laser
caused
InspCrosetti@msn.com (Inspector Crosetti) to write:
It became a conspiracy the instant that cop was flagged down by
the
citizen, they both conspired to deprive that woman of her 1st
amendment
rights.
Read up on legislative intent.
Thank you for dodging the question and admitting you're a racist
in
a
public forum. Your credibility score is now zero.
Credibility? Is that why you are on the no fly list?
Has nothing to do with credibility when it's a *political* tool,
dipshit. Ted Kennedy was also on it a few months back. Hate Ted
Kennedy all you want, but the idea that Ted Kennedy posed a
security
risk on airplanes is absurd.
Of course ted kennedy is a security risk, as is every traitor.
So? The chances of TK hijacking a plane is *nil.*
And it is just as likely that osama will personally hijack a plane, but
we still shouldn't let either one on an airplane.
If we catch him, he fly alright, between two marshals. Part of America's
Tell Jailhouse "Staff"
repeat 2999 times
electrocute
revive
end repeat
electrocute
end tell
--
Guns don't kill people; automobiles kill people.
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| User: "Cole Firearms Inc." |
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15 Feb 2005 05:35:01 PM |
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Walter Bushell wrote:
In article <okkPd.29823$by5.14189@newssvr19.news.prodigy.com>,
"Cole Firearms Inc." <colefirearms11@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
Rump Ranger wrote:
Cole Firearms Inc. wrote:
Rump Ranger wrote:
Inspector Crosetti wrote:
On Wed, 09 Feb 2005 20:34:53 -0500, Frank Ney <n4zhg@icqmail.com>
wrote:
On Wed, 09 Feb 2005 07:10:11 GMT, an orbiting mind control laser
caused
InspCrosetti@msn.com (Inspector Crosetti) to write:
It became a conspiracy the instant that cop was flagged down by
the
citizen, they both conspired to deprive that woman of her 1st
amendment
rights.
Read up on legislative intent.
Thank you for dodging the question and admitting you're a racist
in
a
public forum. Your credibility score is now zero.
Credibility? Is that why you are on the no fly list?
Has nothing to do with credibility when it's a *political* tool,
dipshit. Ted Kennedy was also on it a few months back. Hate Ted
Kennedy all you want, but the idea that Ted Kennedy posed a
security
risk on airplanes is absurd.
Of course ted kennedy is a security risk, as is every traitor.
So? The chances of TK hijacking a plane is *nil.*
And it is just as likely that osama will personally hijack a plane, but
we still shouldn't let either one on an airplane.
If we catch him, he fly alright, between two marshals. Part of America's
Tell Jailhouse "Staff"
repeat 2999 times
electrocute
revive
end repeat
electrocute
end tell
Are you talking about osama or ted kennedy? I agree with your statement
either way.
--
""Sic Semper Tyrannis" - Thus Always with Tyrants - John Wilkes Booth"
"Per ardua nec flectitur nec mutat. Confido,
est voluntas dei, invictus maneo. Addere leci justitiam
deo certavi et vici." - Rev. Shawn Cole, Cole Firearms Inc.
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| User: "Napalm Heart" |
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| Title: Re: Do police officers serve and protect the public? |
15 Feb 2005 06:40:05 PM |
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"Cole Firearms Inc." <colefirearms11@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
news:FGvQd.8122$ng6.7009@newssvr17.news.prodigy.com...
Walter Bushell wrote:
In article <okkPd.29823$by5.14189@newssvr19.news.prodigy.com>,
"Cole Firearms Inc." <colefirearms11@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
Rump Ranger wrote:
Cole Firearms Inc. wrote:
Rump Ranger wrote:
Inspector Crosetti wrote:
On Wed, 09 Feb 2005 20:34:53 -0500, Frank Ney
<n4zhg@icqmail.com>
wrote:
On Wed, 09 Feb 2005 07:10:11 GMT, an orbiting mind control
laser
caused
InspCrosetti@msn.com (Inspector Crosetti) to write:
It became a conspiracy the instant that cop was flagged
down by
the
citizen, they both conspired to deprive that woman of her
1st
amendment
rights.
Read up on legislative intent.
Thank you for dodging the question and admitting you're a
racist
in
a
public forum. Your credibility score is now zero.
Credibility? Is that why you are on the no fly list?
Has nothing to do with credibility when it's a *political*
tool,
dipshit. Ted Kennedy was also on it a few months back. Hate
Ted
Kennedy all you want, but the idea that Ted Kennedy posed a
security
risk on airplanes is absurd.
Of course ted kennedy is a security risk, as is every traitor.
So? The chances of TK hijacking a plane is *nil.*
And it is just as likely that osama will personally hijack a
plane, but
we still shouldn't let either one on an airplane.
If we catch him, he fly alright, between two marshals. Part of
America's
Tell Jailhouse "Staff"
repeat 2999 times
electrocute
revive
end repeat
electrocute
end tell
Are you talking about osama or ted kennedy? I agree with your
statement
either way.
I have to agree with this.
Ken (MI)
--
""Sic Semper Tyrannis" - Thus Always with Tyrants - John Wilkes
Booth"
"Per ardua nec flectitur nec mutat. Confido,
est voluntas dei, invictus maneo. Addere leci justitiam
deo certavi et vici." - Rev. Shawn Cole, Cole Firearms Inc.
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| User: "Rump Ranger" |
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| Title: Re: Do police officers serve and protect the public? |
07 Feb 2005 04:06:14 PM |
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Inspector Crosetti wrote:
On Mon, 07 Feb 2005 11:00:16 -0700, "RD (The Sandman)"
<rdsandman@comcast.net> wrote:
Glad you do. Jews at Austwitz didn't.
They were affected by our USSC and Constitution? ;)
--
Sleep well tonight.........RD (The Sandman)
When all else fails, they resort to calling the cops Nazis.
Truth hurts, don't it?
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| User: "Inspector Crosetti" |
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07 Feb 2005 05:03:22 PM |
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On 7 Feb 2005 14:06:14 -0800, "Rump Ranger" <buttpirate@fadmail.com>
wrote:
Inspector Crosetti wrote:
On Mon, 07 Feb 2005 11:00:16 -0700, "RD (The Sandman)"
<rdsandman@comcast.net> wrote:
Glad you do. Jews at Austwitz didn't.
They were affected by our USSC and Constitution? ;)
--
Sleep well tonight.........RD (The Sandman)
When all else fails, they resort to calling the cops Nazis.
Truth hurts, don't it?
One problem, this is not Nazi Germany. Not even close.
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| User: "Rump Ranger" |
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07 Feb 2005 05:38:39 PM |
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Inspector Crosetti wrote:
On 7 Feb 2005 14:06:14 -0800, "Rump Ranger" <buttpirate@fadmail.com>
wrote:
Inspector Crosetti wrote:
On Mon, 07 Feb 2005 11:00:16 -0700, "RD (The Sandman)"
<rdsandman@comcast.net> wrote:
Glad you do. Jews at Austwitz didn't.
They were affected by our USSC and Constitution? ;)
--
Sleep well tonight.........RD (The Sandman)
When all else fails, they resort to calling the cops Nazis.
Truth hurts, don't it?
One problem, this is not Nazi Germany. Not even close.
Only in your delusions. Let me guess, you're white, aren't you? No
wonder you don't see a problem with this country's policies IRT mass
incarceration. We still have the world's largest prison system,
imprison far more people per capita than any other nation, have the
most people on death row, and have more police per capita than nations
our government calls "police states." A cop won't have a problem with
this, but then again, most cops were too fucking stupid to go out and
get an education in something meaningful after high school, so they
chose to be armed thugs for the State instead.
We're on the path to a state like Nazi Germany. Preemptive war under
extremely dishonest reasons. Government secrecy. Expansion of police
power and agencies. Mass incarceration. The fusion of corporate and
state power. Football games being turned into extreme nationalistic
festivals. A government discarding Constitutional principles. I guess
the "alarmists" in the 1920's and 30's Germany were all "drug induced
morons" when they saw problems with Hitler's rise to power, huh?
History vindicated them.
Cops aren't Nazis. Yet. They've got the same type of mindset though.
You said it yourself: If the courts rule white is black, that's the
new "law of the land." And if it's the "law", it must be right. Only
thing that gives me hope is that a revolution's brewing in this
country. Ain't big yet, but it's growing.
Rump Ranger- who knows that Big Brother's keeping tabs on what I say
and is building a file on me.
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| User: "Inspector Crosetti" |
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07 Feb 2005 05:53:10 PM |
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On 7 Feb 2005 15:38:39 -0800, "Rump Ranger" <buttpirate@fadmail.com>
wrote:
Inspector Crosetti wrote:
On 7 Feb 2005 14:06:14 -0800, "Rump Ranger" <buttpirate@fadmail.com>
wrote:
Inspector Crosetti wrote:
On Mon, 07 Feb 2005 11:00:16 -0700, "RD (The Sandman)"
<rdsandman@comcast.net> wrote:
Glad you do. Jews at Austwitz didn't.
They were affected by our USSC and Constitution? ;)
--
Sleep well tonight.........RD (The Sandman)
When all else fails, they resort to calling the cops Nazis.
Truth hurts, don't it?
One problem, this is not Nazi Germany. Not even close.
Only in your delusions. Let me guess, you're white, aren't you? No
wonder you don't see a problem with this country's policies IRT mass
incarceration. We still have the world's largest prison system,
imprison far more people per capita than any other nation, have the
most people on death row, and have more police per capita than nations
our government calls "police states." A cop won't have a problem with
this, but then again, most cops were too fucking stupid to go out and
get an education in something meaningful after high school, so they
chose to be armed thugs for the State instead.
We're on the path to a state like Nazi Germany. Preemptive war under
extremely dishonest reasons. Government secrecy. Expansion of police
power and agencies. Mass incarceration. The fusion of corporate and
state power. Football games being turned into extreme nationalistic
festivals. A government discarding Constitutional principles. I guess
the "alarmists" in the 1920's and 30's Germany were all "drug induced
morons" when they saw problems with Hitler's rise to power, huh?
History vindicated them.
Cops aren't Nazis. Yet. They've got the same type of mindset though.
You said it yourself: If the courts rule white is black, that's the
new "law of the land." And if it's the "law", it must be right. Only
thing that gives me hope is that a revolution's brewing in this
country. Ain't big yet, but it's growing.
Rump Ranger- who knows that Big Brother's keeping tabs on what I say
and is building a file on me.
And soon we will come looking for you.
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| User: "Rump Ranger" |
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07 Feb 2005 07:38:36 PM |
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Inspector Crosetti wrote:
On 7 Feb 2005 15:38:39 -0800, "Rump Ranger" <buttpirate@fadmail.com>
wrote:
Inspector Crosetti wrote:
On 7 Feb 2005 14:06:14 -0800, "Rump Ranger"
<buttpirate@fadmail.com>
wrote:
Inspector Crosetti wrote:
On Mon, 07 Feb 2005 11:00:16 -0700, "RD (The Sandman)"
<rdsandman@comcast.net> wrote:
Glad you do. Jews at Austwitz didn't.
They were affected by our USSC and Constitution? ;)
--
Sleep well tonight.........RD (The Sandman)
When all else fails, they resort to calling the cops Nazis.
Truth hurts, don't it?
One problem, this is not Nazi Germany. Not even close.
Only in your delusions. Let me guess, you're white, aren't you? No
wonder you don't see a problem with this country's policies IRT mass
incarceration. We still have the world's largest prison system,
imprison far more people per capita than any other nation, have the
most people on death row, and have more police per capita than
nations
our government calls "police states." A cop won't have a problem
with
this, but then again, most cops were too fucking stupid to go out
and
get an education in something meaningful after high school, so they
chose to be armed thugs for the State instead.
We're on the path to a state like Nazi Germany. Preemptive war
under
extremely dishonest reasons. Government secrecy. Expansion of
police
power and agencies. Mass incarceration. The fusion of corporate
and
state power. Football games being turned into extreme nationalistic
festivals. A government discarding Constitutional principles. I
guess
the "alarmists" in the 1920's and 30's Germany were all "drug
induced
morons" when they saw problems with Hitler's rise to power, huh?
History vindicated them.
Cops aren't Nazis. Yet. They've got the same type of mindset
though.
You said it yourself: If the courts rule white is black, that's the
new "law of the land." And if it's the "law", it must be right.
Only
thing that gives me hope is that a revolution's brewing in this
country. Ain't big yet, but it's growing.
Rump Ranger- who knows that Big Brother's keeping tabs on what I say
and is building a file on me.
And soon we will come looking for you.
These days, I'm not so sure if that's a joke or a threat. Sad
commentary on the state of affairs these days, isn't it?
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| User: "Inspector Crosetti" |
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| Title: Re: Do police officers serve and protect the public? |
07 Feb 2005 08:25:36 PM |
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On 7 Feb 2005 17:38:36 -0800, "Rump Ranger" <buttpirate@fadmail.com>
wrote:
And soon we will come looking for you.
These days, I'm not so sure if that's a joke or a threat. Sad
commentary on the state of affairs these days, isn't it?
Its a promise. Obey the law or you will be held accountable.
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| User: "Rump Ranger" |
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08 Feb 2005 12:32:44 AM |
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Inspector Crosetti wrote:
On 7 Feb 2005 17:38:36 -0800, "Rump Ranger" <buttpirate@fadmail.com>
wrote:
And soon we will come looking for you.
These days, I'm not so sure if that's a joke or a threat. Sad
commentary on the state of affairs these days, isn't it?
Its a promise. Obey the law or you will be held accountable.
Unless I'm caught, win the lotto or an election to pay off the "law",
or I have friends in the right places who can cover my *****. Changing
my skin tone to one with less melanin would certainly help in court as
well.
Unless tobacco or caffiene become illegal in my lifetime, I have no
desire to break drug laws. But the "war on drugs" is not only a waste
of money, it's a frightening expansion of government power, a total
failure, and a crime against humanity. Not just US citizens, but lots
of people in Afghanistan and South America are suffering. Here's the
catch: because of the "war on drugs", we've created the world's
largest drug market and the drug lords are getting obscenely rich on
it. Funny how countries which legalize it don't have our drug
problems, ain't it?
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| User: "Frank Ney" |
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| Title: Re: Do police officers serve and protect the public? |
08 Feb 2005 05:16:25 PM |
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On 7 Feb 2005 22:32:44 -0800, an orbiting mind control laser caused "Rump
Ranger" <buttpirate@fadmail.com> to write:
Unless tobacco or caffiene become illegal in my lifetime, I have no
desire to break drug laws. But the "war on drugs" is not only a waste
of money, it's a frightening expansion of government power, a total
failure, and a crime against humanity. Not just US citizens, but lots
of people in Afghanistan and South America are suffering. Here's the
catch: because of the "war on drugs", we've created the world's
largest drug market and the drug lords are getting obscenely rich on
it. Funny how countries which legalize it don't have our drug
problems, ain't it?
You'd think these statist jack-booted thugs would have learned their lesson
from Prohibition I. Nowadays the only thing that would get their attention
is a bullet between the eyeballs.
Frank Ney N4ZHG WV/EMT-B NRA(L) GOA CCRKBA JPFO ProvNRA LPWV
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"Unless you're in favor of legalizing all drugs, right now, then
watching [the missionaries killed by Peruvian drug warriors] choke
and scream and bleed and drown in some distant muddy jungle river
is exactly what you asked for, what you pay your taxes for, and what
you ought to have to watch on videotape every night before you go to
sleep." - Vin Suprynowitz, 06 May 2001
United Airlines Must Die! http://www.dont-fly.com
Abuses by the BATF http://www.elfie.org/~croaker/batfabus.html
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08 Feb 2005 06:45:36 PM |
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Frank Ney wrote:
On 7 Feb 2005 22:32:44 -0800, an orbiting mind control laser caused
"Rump
Ranger" <buttpirate@fadmail.com> to write:
Unless tobacco or caffiene become illegal in my lifetime, I have no
desire to break drug laws. But the "war on drugs" is not only a
waste
of money, it's a frightening expansion of government power, a total
failure, and a crime against humanity. Not just US citizens, but
lots
of people in Afghanistan and South America are suffering. Here's
the
catch: because of the "war on drugs", we've created the world's
largest drug market and the drug lords are getting obscenely rich on
it. Funny how countries which legalize it don't have our drug
problems, ain't it?
You'd think these statist jack-booted thugs would have learned their
lesson
from Prohibition I. Nowadays the only thing that would get their
attention
is a bullet between the eyeballs.
Killing cops only benefits them. It gives them a justification to not
only enlarge their forces, they get even more power and some instant
propaganda to use on how they're "risking it all to protect us." As
for Prohibition, most don't even know who our first president was, much
less how much a failure Prohibition I was. And how people killed each
other over alcohol. But don't do so today despite it being totally
legal.
Penn and Teller are spot on: Any society calling itself free would
never tell us what we can put or do with our own bodies. Anything else
is ***** (great show, BTW).
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| User: "Frank Ney" |
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08 Feb 2005 05:16:25 PM |
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On Tue, 08 Feb 2005 02:25:36 GMT, an orbiting mind control laser caused
InspCrosetti@msn.com (Inspector Crosetti) to write:
Its a promise. Obey the law or you will be held accountable.
Does that include arresting people who put "***** Bush" bumper stickers on
their vehicles, brownshirt?
Frank Ney N4ZHG WV/EMT-B NRA(L) GOA CCRKBA JPFO ProvNRA LPWV
--
Government has four basic functions: Robbery, Rape, Slavery, Genocide.
The reason for this is that government, all government, is a criminal
enterprise. It has no legitimate purpose.
- Michael Bradshaw
http://www.ncc-1776.com/tle2004/tle298-20041121-02.html
United Airlines Must Die! http://www.dont-fly.com
Abuses by the BATF http://www.elfie.org/~croaker/batfabus.html
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| User: "Frank Ney" |
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08 Feb 2005 05:16:24 PM |
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On 7 Feb 2005 17:38:36 -0800, an orbiting mind control laser caused "Rump
Ranger" <buttpirate@fadmail.com> to write:
These days, I'm not so sure if that's a joke or a threat. Sad
commentary on the state of affairs these days, isn't it?
It's a threat. I got put on the no-fly list for my publications, and all I
did was accuse the TSA of implementing an internal visa system to deny
political dissidents their 10th Amendment right to travel.
Some time soon, the Bush administration will reactivate Fort Lafayette or
it's equivalent to put all the "trouble makers" in one place.
Frank Ney N4ZHG WV/EMT-B NRA(L) GOA CCRKBA JPFO ProvNRA LPWV
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Dubya, he only has one ball
Ashcroft, has two but very small
Cheyney, has ca-ca stain-ee
And Tom Ridge has no balls at all!
United Airlines Must Die! http://www.dont-fly.com
Abuses by the BATF http://www.elfie.org/~croaker/batfabus.html
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| User: "Rump Ranger" |
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08 Feb 2005 06:36:40 PM |
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Frank Ney wrote:
On 7 Feb 2005 17:38:36 -0800, an orbiting mind control laser caused
"Rump
Ranger" <buttpirate@fadmail.com> to write:
These days, I'm not so sure if that's a joke or a threat. Sad
commentary on the state of affairs these days, isn't it?
It's a threat. I got put on the no-fly list for my publications, and
all I
did was accuse the TSA of implementing an internal visa system to
deny
political dissidents their 10th Amendment right to travel.
I don't fly too much, but I'd assume I would be on some special
security checklist. First, for my military background (I always had to
go through extra security to make sure I didn't smuggle something, I'd
presume) but also because I was involved in several protests in the
Chicagoland area.
Some time soon, the Bush administration will reactivate Fort
Lafayette or
it's equivalent to put all the "trouble makers" in one place.
Funny you say that. The US Army is teaching it's personel that
civilians are "weak", and hence, "subhuman." I rejected that ***** in
bootcamp, but there is a certain "Hooah" Cult in our Army that wouldn't
have much of a problem carrying out such orders here (despite the Posse
Comitatus Act). The US military's already got a plan in place to mass
evacuate cities and place US citizens in concentration camps:
http://www.apfn.org/apfn/camps.htm
Remember, our country did it before and there's no reason they wouldn't
do it again. With the media firmly under government control (i.e. the
FCC), most people wouldn't know about it. When our government in 1971
said they were beginning to wage a war against Americans ("war on
crime/drugs/etc"), they weren't joking. Our police have not only been
militarized, the civil war is being fought in our streets against our
people. A war mentality dictates a win at any means necessary no
matter how *obvious* it's a failure (and in fact, generates more
problems than it can even solve). Certainly *not* what the
Constitution imagined no matter how much our cop friend says so.
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| User: "" |
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07 Feb 2005 12:32:20 PM |
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RD (The Sandman) wrote:
Rump Ranger wrote:
Inspector Crosetti wrote:
On Sun, 06 Feb 2005 22:14:26 -0800, Clayton Villanes wrote:
On Mon, 07 Feb 2005 03:27:58 GMT, (Inspector
Crosetti) wrote:
On Sun, 6 Feb 2005 20:18:18 -0500, "Scout"
<4guns@adelphia.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote:
Its really simple, in his simple little mind, the SC only has
power
over desisions he agrees with.
Wrong. The SC can only produce legitimate rulings when those
comply with the
language of the law.
Just because the SC says black is white, doesn't make it so.
Oh yes it does.
Inspector, do you find it interesting (read sad) that some folks
just
don't understand the role of the judicial branch of government as
opposed to the legislative and administrative branches?
I find it amusing.
Glad you do. Jews at Austwitz didn't.
They were affected by our USSC and Constitution? ;)
No, but they did die because the *law of the land* as determined by the
judges and every branch of the Nazi government said it was legal.
What's the difference between an American street cop and a guard at a
death camp? None. The type of person is the same (both got an
authoritarian mindset and don't bother with making policy so much as
putting other people's policies into action). It's just that the
American street cop hasn't been explicitly been told to go that far.
Yet.
But, if in the future, the American government did decide to have death
camps in every town and required 3 citizens a day to be disemboweled,
around 90-95% of our cops would go right along with the policy. They
wouldn't question it, probably enjoy the increase in their power, and
be able to sleep at night because since they didn't make the law, they
"aren't responsible" despite the fact that the law wouldn't have teeth
if they didn't enforce it. The *really scary* part about all this is
that a good portion of the American people would support an action like
the Holocaust if it entailed exterminating a group which was determined
to be the "enemy." That is, until they became the "enemy" as well.
Just look at the deafening silence on the subject about America, "land
of the free", having the largest prison population which builds more
prisons than schools. Anyone who's not OK with that is automatically
an "ex-con." People in Nazi Germany thought the same about people who
didn't like Hitler's policy against Jews.
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08 Feb 2005 10:52:59 AM |
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wrote:
RD (The Sandman) wrote:
Rump Ranger wrote:
Inspector Crosetti wrote:
On Sun, 06 Feb 2005 22:14:26 -0800, Clayton Villanes wrote:
On Mon, 07 Feb 2005 03:27:58 GMT, (Inspector
Crosetti) wrote:
On Sun, 6 Feb 2005 20:18:18 -0500, "Scout"
<4guns@adelphia.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote:
Its really simple, in his simple little mind, the SC only has
power
over desisions he agrees with.
Wrong. The SC can only produce legitimate rulings when those
comply with the
language of the law.
Just because the SC says black is white, doesn't make it so.
Oh yes it does.
Inspector, do you find it interesting (read sad) that some folks
just
don't understand the role of the judicial branch of government as
opposed to the legislative and administrative branches?
I find it amusing.
Glad you do. Jews at Austwitz didn't.
They were affected by our USSC and Constitution? ;)
No, but they did die because the *law of the land* as determined by the
judges and every branch of the Nazi government said it was legal.
I wasn't aware that we were discussing the government of Nazi Germany.
I thought we were discussing the three branches of *our* government.
Silly me, I must have fallen asleep.....
--
Sleep well tonight.........RD (The Sandman)
http://home.comcast.net/~rdsandman
School - Four walls with tomorrow inside.
"The fatal attraction of government is that it allows busybodies to
impose decisions on others without paying any price themselves."
"It is hard to imagine a more stupid or more dangerous way of making
decisions than by putting those decisions in the hands of people who
pay no price for being wrong" Author Thomas Sowell
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08 Feb 2005 11:45:33 AM |
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On Tue, 08 Feb 2005 09:52:59 -0700, "RD (The Sandman)"
<rdsandman@comcast.net> wrote:
No, but they did die because the *law of the land* as determined by the
judges and every branch of the Nazi government said it was legal.
I wasn't aware that we were discussing the government of Nazi Germany.
I thought we were discussing the three branches of *our* government.
Silly me, I must have fallen asleep.....
--
Sleep well tonight.........RD (The Sandman)
http://home.comcast.net/~rdsandman
When they have nothing else, they bring out the nazi BS.
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| User: "Rump Ranger" |
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08 Feb 2005 02:50:47 PM |
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Inspector Crosetti wrote:
On Tue, 08 Feb 2005 09:52:59 -0700, "RD (The Sandman)"
<rdsandman@comcast.net> wrote:
No, but they did die because the *law of the land* as determined
by the
judges and every branch of the Nazi government said it was legal.
I wasn't aware that we were discussing the government of Nazi
Germany.
I thought we were discussing the three branches of *our* government.
Silly me, I must have fallen asleep.....
--
Sleep well tonight.........RD (The Sandman)
http://home.comcast.net/~rdsandman
When they have nothing else, they bring out the nazi BS.
Truth still hurts. Because it's the truth. The various studies on
obedience to authority and the willingness of people to inflict pain on
their fellow citizens when given power over them have shown that *any*
country could become a potential Nazi Germany-like state. That's the
lesson you were supposed to learn in history class.
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| User: "Inspector Crosetti" |
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08 Feb 2005 05:08:31 PM |
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On 8 Feb 2005 12:50:47 -0800, "Rump Ranger" <buttpirate@fadmail.com>
wrote:
Inspector Crosetti wrote:
On Tue, 08 Feb 2005 09:52:59 -0700, "RD (The Sandman)"
<rdsandman@comcast.net> wrote:
No, but they did die because the *law of the land* as determined
by the
judges and every branch of the Nazi government said it was legal.
I wasn't aware that we were discussing the government of Nazi
Germany.
I thought we were discussing the three branches of *our* government.
Silly me, I must have fallen asleep.....
--
Sleep well tonight.........RD (The Sandman)
http://home.comcast.net/~rdsandman
When they have nothing else, they bring out the nazi BS.
Truth still hurts. Because it's the truth. The various studies on
obedience to authority and the willingness of people to inflict pain on
their fellow citizens when given power over them have shown that *any*
country could become a potential Nazi Germany-like state. That's the
lesson you were supposed to learn in history class.
Our constitution ensures that could never happen here.
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| User: "Scout" |
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08 Feb 2005 08:29:21 PM |
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"Inspector Crosetti" <InspCrosetti@msn.com> wrote in message
news:42094651.29655531@news-server.socal.rr.com...
On 8 Feb 2005 12:50:47 -0800, "Rump Ranger" <buttpirate@fadmail.com>
wrote:
Inspector Crosetti wrote:
On Tue, 08 Feb 2005 09:52:59 -0700, "RD (The Sandman)"
<rdsandman@comcast.net> wrote:
No, but they did die because the *law of the land* as determined
by the
judges and every branch of the Nazi government said it was legal.
I wasn't aware that we were discussing the government of Nazi
Germany.
I thought we were discussing the three branches of *our* government.
Silly me, I must have fallen asleep.....
--
Sleep well tonight.........RD (The Sandman)
http://home.comcast.net/~rdsandman
When they have nothing else, they bring out the nazi BS.
Truth still hurts. Because it's the truth. The various studies on
obedience to authority and the willingness of people to inflict pain on
their fellow citizens when given power over them have shown that *any*
country could become a potential Nazi Germany-like state. That's the
lesson you were supposed to learn in history class.
Our constitution ensures that could never happen here.
Would this be the Constitution you assert the Supreme Court can interpret to
mean anything they want?'
How does that prevent governmental tyranny?
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| User: "Rump Ranger" |
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09 Feb 2005 06:01:33 PM |
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Scout wrote:
"Inspector Crosetti" <InspCrosetti@msn.com> wrote in message
news:42094651.29655531@news-server.socal.rr.com...
On 8 Feb 2005 12:50:47 -0800, "Rump Ranger"
<buttpirate@fadmail.com>
wrote:
Inspector Crosetti wrote:
On Tue, 08 Feb 2005 09:52:59 -0700, "RD (The Sandman)"
<rdsandman@comcast.net> wrote:
No, but they did die because the *law of the land* as
determined
by the
judges and every branch of the Nazi government said it was
legal.
I wasn't aware that we were discussing the government of Nazi
Germany.
I thought we were discussing the three branches of *our*
government.
Silly me, I must have fallen asleep.....
--
Sleep well tonight.........RD (The Sandman)
http://home.comcast.net/~rdsandman
When they have nothing else, they bring out the nazi BS.
Truth still hurts. Because it's the truth. The various studies on
obedience to authority and the willingness of people to inflict
pain on
their fellow citizens when given power over them have shown that
*any*
country could become a potential Nazi Germany-like state. That's
the
lesson you were supposed to learn in history class.
Our constitution ensures that could never happen here.
Would this be the Constitution you assert the Supreme Court can
interpret to
mean anything they want?'
How does that prevent governmental tyranny?
He doesn't have a clue about what he's talking about. On the one hand,
he asserts the "law of the land" reigns supreme, so when laws are
passed which violate the plain English of the Constitution, it's really
the new law. It has teeth, by rule of *force*, not rule of *law.* On
the other, he asserts the US Constitution can prevent tyranny, but if
they can make up whatever law they want and say it's "Constitutional"
even if it clearly goes against it, then that means the US Constitution
is not a safeguard against tyranny. He can't see that, but then again,
if he is a cop (hard to tell), he benefits from tyranny so he has a
vested interest in perpetuating the myth.
I'll take one of thousands of examples: The creation of the FCC, which
is made up of *unelected* bureaucrats to impose limits on free speech
in the radio and TV media. It censors them by setting standards on
what they say for "society's own good." Except, it violates the First
Ammendment:
[quote]
http://www.archives.gov/national_archives_experience/charters/bill_of_rights_transcript.html
Amendment I
Congress shall make **no law** respecting an establishment of religion,
or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or **abridging the freedom of
speech**, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to
assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.
[end quote]
All emphasis mine. It basically says the FCC is illegal because it
enforces laws Congress made about "standards" for the airwaves, which
is abridging a person's right to free speech (so are all "obscenity"
laws on the books). It's as plain as day. For anyone, even 9
Antideluvian politicians in the United States Supreme Court, to say
otherwise is simply giving you a ******* story. The Founding
Fathers exclusively put that there to *prevent* government from going
after "obscene", "controversial", and "offensive" rhetoric. They
didn't do that to protect us from Mickey Mouse inoffensive crap and the
idiots who say "obscenity" or "sedition" laws are "Constitutional" know
that as well. Which makes them filthy liars to boot.
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08 Feb 2005 06:23:27 PM |
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Inspector Crosetti wrote:
On 8 Feb 2005 12:50:47 -0800, "Rump Ranger" <buttpirate@fadmail.com>
wrote:
Inspector Crosetti wrote:
On Tue, 08 Feb 2005 09:52:59 -0700, "RD (The Sandman)"
<rdsandman@comcast.net> wrote:
No, but they did die because the *law of the land* as
determined
by the
judges and every branch of the Nazi government said it was
legal.
I wasn't aware that we were discussing the government of Nazi
Germany.
I thought we were discussing the three branches of *our*
government.
Silly me, I must have fallen asleep.....
--
Sleep well tonight.........RD (The Sandman)
http://home.comcast.net/~rdsandman
When they have nothing else, they bring out the nazi BS.
Truth still hurts. Because it's the truth. The various studies on
obedience to authority and the willingness of people to inflict pain
on
their fellow citizens when given power over them have shown that
*any*
country could become a potential Nazi Germany-like state. That's
the
lesson you were supposed to learn in history class.
Our constitution ensures that could never happen here.
Garbage. It's happening now. Cluebat: We have more police per capita
than virtually any country we designate a police state. And we have
the world's largest prison population. The Founding Fathers would have
been *appaled* to see how their writings have been distorted.
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| User: "Frank Ney" |
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08 Feb 2005 09:36:51 PM |
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On Tue, 08 Feb 2005 23:08:31 GMT, an orbiting mind control laser caused
InspCrosetti@msn.com (Inspector Crosetti) to write:
Truth still hurts. Because it's the truth. The various studies on
obedience to authority and the willingness of people to inflict pain on
their fellow citizens when given power over them have shown that *any*
country could become a potential Nazi Germany-like state. That's the
lesson you were supposed to learn in history class.
Our constitution ensures that could never happen here.
Our constitution is doing a ***** poor job of it, then.
Frank Ney N4ZHG WV/EMT-B NRA(L) GOA CCRKBA JPFO ProvNRA LPWV
--
Government has four basic functions: Robbery, Rape, Slavery, Genocide.
The reason for this is that government, all government, is a criminal
enterprise. It has no legitimate purpose.
- Michael Bradshaw
http://www.ncc-1776.com/tle2004/tle298-20041121-02.html
United Airlines Must Die! http://www.dont-fly.com
Abuses by the BATF http://www.elfie.org/~croaker/batfabus.html
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