"Woden" <woden@charter.net> wrote in message
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"Son of man" <sonman1@comcast.net> wrote in
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The atheist critique is that they are largely full of *****.

And while I don't say that for all Christians, there certainly is
a large number so-called Christians who don't seek the truth. And
the hard evidence is in some of their Bible tranlsations. Watch
and see how they attempt to cover up this example in The Bible New
Revised Standard Version

You're really a fool if you think that the "Truth" is in the xian
bible.

There's a lot of truth in it. For instance, Moses killed many people
and stole their lands. That's just one of the many truths in the
xian bible.

As if Moses really existed. But in the story, he really isn't a nice
guy is he.

Which makes one think if the story were invented...why do they portray
the people of Israel who were led by God as weeping and loathing after
they received the supposed "manna" from God.

Numbers:11:4: And the mixt multitude that was among them fell a
hunger: and the children of Israel also wept again, and said, Who
shall give us flesh to eat?
5: We remember the fish, which we did eat in Egypt freely; the
cucumbers, and the melons, and the leeks, and the onions, and the
garlick: 6: But now our soul is dried away: there is nothing at all,
beside this manna, before our eyes.
7: And the manna was as coriander seed, and the colour thereof as the
colour of bdellium.
8: And the people went about, and gathered it, and ground it in mills,
or beat it in a mortar, and baked it in pans, and made cakes of it:
and the taste of it was as the taste of fresh oil.
9: And when the dew fell upon the camp in the night, the manna fell
upon it. 10: Then Moses heard the people weep throughout their
families, every man in the door of his tent: and the anger of the LORD
was kindled greatly; Moses also was displeased.

One would think that in telling a fable of God feeding his people with
bread from heaven that their souls wouldn't be dried away. And the
bigger issue is also the fact that Jesus told the people of his own
time that Moses in fact did not give them the bread from heaven
supported by their dissatisfaction of it.

John:6:30: They said therefore unto him, What sign shewest thou then,
that we may see, and believe thee? what dost thou work?
31: Our fathers did eat manna in the desert; as it is written, He gave
them bread from heaven to eat.
32: Then Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Moses
gave you not that bread from heaven; but my Father giveth you the true
bread from heaven.

All the intentional discreprencies don't support the theory that the
Bible was invented or made up.

"Uncle Vic" <address@withheld.com> wrote in message
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Once upon a time in alt.atheism, dear sweet Son of man
(sonman1@comcast.net) made the light shine upon us with this:

Now let's do the same for Christianity. I, the Grinch, will remove
everything that Christianity means to me, personal salvation.

By personal salvation, I take it you mean salvation by one's own
efforts.

In a way. But this evades the issue. Christians believe in god and
jesus,
etc. because if they do they get to go to heaven. Take afterlife out
of the picture. Gone. When you die you die. What would be left?
Do you think the religion would have survived this long without the
promise of salvation from death?

The promise of eternal salvation is the reason Christ was given to the
world, and is the very reason why the religion has survived this long.
I think the majority of people in any religion realize how imperfect
they are especially when compared to the founders. From that
perspective no matter how hard they try they acknowledge that they
need some form of divine intervention to attain the salvation that is
eternal, indeed one doctrine of the NT is that all have fallen short
of the glory that is only God's (the Highest Wisdom), and hence they
appeal in the spirit of adoption and repentence to become the children
of the Highest in his eternal Kingdom where there are no more tears,
nor sorrow, nor crying, nor death but everlasting peace and joy.