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Do stop behaving as if you are God, Professor Dawkins
The Mail On Sunday (via VirtueOnline) ^ | 5/18/07 | Alister McGrath
Posted on 05/21/2007 10:05:04 AM PDT by Frumanchu
Do stop behaving as if you are God, Professor Dawkins
by Alister McGrath
The Daily Mail
5/18/2007
Original Article
He is a 'psychotic delinquent', invented by mad, deluded people. And
that's one of Dawkins's milder criticisms.
Dawkins, Oxford University's Professor for the Public Understanding of
Science, is on a crusade.
His salvo of outrage and ridicule is meant to rid the world of its
greatest evil: religion. "If this book works as I intend," he says,
"religious readers who open it will be atheists when they put it
down." But he admits such a result is unlikely. "Dyed-in-the-wool
faith-heads" (that's people who believe in God) are "immune to
argument", he says.
I have known Dawkins for more than 20 years; we are both Oxford
professors. I believe if anyone is "immune to argument" it is him. He
comes across as a dogmatic, aggressive propagandist.
Of course, back in the Sixties, everyone who mattered was telling us
that religion was dead. I was an atheist then. Growing up as a
Protestant in Northern Ireland, I had come to believe religion was the
cause of the Province's problems. While I loved studying the sciences
at school, they were important for another reason: science disproved
God. Believing in God was only for sad, mad and bad people who had yet
to be enlightened by science.
I went up to Oxford to study the sciences in 1971, expecting my
atheism to be consolidated. In the event, my world was turned upside
down. I gave up one belief, atheism, and embraced another,
Christianity. Why? There were many factors. For a start, I was alarmed
by some atheist writings, which seemed more preoccupied with
rubbishing religion than seeking the truth.
Above all, I encountered something at Oxford that I had failed to meet
in Northern Ireland - articulate Christians who were able to challenge
my atheism. I soon discovered two life-changing things.
First, Christianity made a lot of sense. It gave me a new way of
seeing and understanding the world, above all, the natural sciences.
Second, I discovered Christianity actually worked: it brought purpose
and dignity to life.
I kept studying the sciences, picking up a PhD for research in
molecular biophysics. But my heart and mind had been seduced by
theology. It still excites me today.
Dawkins and I both love the sciences; we both believe in evidence-
based reasoning. So how do we make sense of our different ways of
looking at the world? That is one of the issues about which I have
often wished we might have a proper discussion. Our paths do cross on
the television networks and we even managed to spar briefly across a
BBC sofa a few months back. We were also filmed having a debate for
Dawkins's recent Channel 4 programme, The Root Of All Evil? Dawkins
outlined his main criticisms of God, and I offered answers to what
were clearly exaggerations and misunderstandings. It was hardly rocket
science.
For instance, Dawkins often compares belief in God to an infantile
belief in Santa Claus or the Tooth Fairy, saying it is something we
should all outgrow. But the analogy is flawed. How many people do you
know who started to believe in Santa Claus in adulthood?
Many people discover God decades after they have ceased believing in
the Tooth Fairy. Dawkins, of course, would just respond that people
such as this are senile or mad, but that is not logical argument.
Dawkins can no more 'prove' the non-existence of God than anyone else
can prove He does exist.
Most of us are aware that we hold many beliefs we cannot prove to be
true. It reminds us that we need to treat those who disagree with us
with intellectual respect, rather than dismissing them - as Dawkins
does - as liars, knaves and charlatans.
But when I debated these points with him, Dawkins seemed
uncomfortable. I was not surprised to be told that my contribution was
to be cut.
The Root Of All Evil? was subsequently panned for its blatant
unfairness. Where, the critics asked, was a responsible, informed
Christian response to Dawkins? The answer: on the cutting-room floor.
The God Delusion is similarly full of misunderstanding. Dawkins simply
presents us with another dogmatic fundamentalism. Maybe that's why
some of the fiercest attacks on The God Delusion are coming from other
atheists, rather than religious believers. Michael Ruse, who describes
himself as a 'hardline Darwinian' philosopher, confessed that The God
Delusion made him 'embarrassed to be an atheist'.
The dogmatism of the work has attracted wide criticism from the
secularist community. Many who might be expected to support Dawkins
are trying to distance themselves from what they see as an
embarrassment.
Aware of the moral obligation of a critic of religion to deal with
this phenomenon at its best and most persuasive, many atheists have
been disturbed by Dawkins's crude stereotypes and seemingly
pathological hostility towards religion. In fact, The God Delusion
might turn out to be a monumental own goal - persuading people that
atheism is just as intolerant as the worst that religion can offer.
Alister McGrath is professor of theology at Oxford University. His new
book The Dawkins Delusion?, co-authored by Joanna Collicutt McGrath,
is published by SPCK at L7.99.
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Do stop behaving as if you are God, Professor Dawkins
by Alister McGrath
The Daily Mail
5/18/2007
Original Article
He is a 'psychotic delinquent', invented by mad, deluded people. And
that's one of Dawkins's milder criticisms.
Dawkins, Oxford University's Professor for the Public Understanding of
Science, is on a crusade.
His salvo of outrage and ridicule is meant to rid the world of its
greatest evil: religion. "If this book works as I intend," he says,
"religious readers who open it will be atheists when they put it
down." But he admits such a result is unlikely. "Dyed-in-the-wool
faith-heads" (that's people who believe in God) are "immune to
argument", he says.
I have known Dawkins for more than 20 years; we are both Oxford
professors. I believe if anyone is "immune to argument" it is him. He
comes across as a dogmatic, aggressive propagandist.
Aggressive, yes. Dogmatic propagandist? Perhaps Dawkins comes across that
way to people who don't understand the difference between dogma and
evidence, or between propaganda and reason. In the face of challenge to
their cherished ideas, such people are likely to react impulsively, tossing
insults at the challenger rather than addressing the challenge itself.
Of course, back in the Sixties, everyone who mattered was telling us
that religion was dead. I was an atheist then. Growing up as a
Protestant in Northern Ireland, I had come to believe religion was the
cause of the Province's problems. While I loved studying the sciences
at school, they were important for another reason: science disproved
God.
Science does nothing of the sort. Science deals with nature, and God is,
according to most people who believe in such a being, supernatural, thus
beyond the reach of scientific investigation--except where God is alleged to
have interfered with nature, and science can demonstrate that particular
allegation to be either in agreement or in conflict with reality. The
logical inquiry of philosophers, however, is more free ranging. If the
ascribed attributes of a deity are mutually contradictory or at odds with
confirmed evidence, then the existence of such a being--at least as it is
described--can be shown to be logically impossible.
Believing in God was only for sad, mad and bad people who had yet
to be enlightened by science.
I went up to Oxford to study the sciences in 1971, expecting my
atheism to be consolidated. In the event, my world was turned upside
down. I gave up one belief, atheism, and embraced another,
Christianity. Why? There were many factors. For a start, I was alarmed
by some atheist writings, which seemed more preoccupied with
rubbishing religion than seeking the truth.
Above all, I encountered something at Oxford that I had failed to meet
in Northern Ireland - articulate Christians who were able to challenge
my atheism. I soon discovered two life-changing things.
So McGrath's argument, in simplified form, runs:
I am alarmed by some atheist writings.
I encounter articulate Christians who challenge my disbelief.
Therefore, a god exists, and it is the Christian god.
I trust there is more than this to McGrath's line of reasoning, since,
without something else to connect everything, the premises appear to be
utterly irrelevant to the conclusion. It would be analogous to a convert to
atheism apologizing thus:
I am alarmed by some Christian writings.
I encounter articulate atheists who challenge my belief.
Therefore, no gods exist.
First, Christianity made a lot of sense. It gave me a new way of
seeing and understanding the world, above all, the natural sciences.
Second, I discovered Christianity actually worked: it brought purpose
and dignity to life.
Granted, Christianity, and similar religions, do put on quite a show, and
may give one a "different perspective" from that of one who (as Hume
advises) "proportions his belief to the evidence." But whether it makes a
lot of sense depends on how loosely one defines "sense"--as evaluating ideas
with respect to their conformance to evidence and reason, or merely to their
emotional appeal.
As to the "purpose" and "dignity" of life, for Christians these seem to
involve groveling before a supposedly perfectly self-sufficient being that
nevertheless craves and demands human worship and sacrifice. Please forgive
my skepticism, but propitiating petulant spirits doesn't strike me as
purposeful and dignified as, say, healing the sick, educating the young,
investigating nature, or challenging tyranny and injustice.
I kept studying the sciences, picking up a PhD for research in
molecular biophysics. But my heart and mind had been seduced by
theology. It still excites me today.
I know the feeling. I was once "seduced by" (read: addicted to) tobacco. I
gave it up more than twenty years ago, yet still have an occasional craving
for a pipeful of the stuff. Way back in the days of my Christian youth, I
never had much luck praying not to be led into temptation. In my
experience, temptation happens anyway. One must simply find the will within
to resist it, to defeat the foreign agent's control and reassert one's own.
Dawkins and I both love the sciences; we both believe in evidence-
based reasoning. So how do we make sense of our different ways of
looking at the world? That is one of the issues about which I have
often wished we might have a proper discussion. Our paths do cross on
the television networks and we even managed to spar briefly across a
BBC sofa a few months back. We were also filmed having a debate for
Dawkins's recent Channel 4 programme, The Root Of All Evil? Dawkins
outlined his main criticisms of God, and I offered answers to what
were clearly exaggerations and misunderstandings. It was hardly rocket
science.
For instance, Dawkins often compares belief in God to an infantile
belief in Santa Claus or the Tooth Fairy, saying it is something we
should all outgrow. But the analogy is flawed. How many people do you
know who started to believe in Santa Claus in adulthood?
That's beside the point. If Santa & Company promised something that many
adults crave, such as life after death, there's little doubt that some would
buy into it. Far fetched? Recall that not too many years ago, a group of
people (some of them well educated) were persuaded to commit suicide, in
order to be taken aboard an alien spacecraft alleged to be lurking behind a
comet. Before that there were David Koresh and Jim Jones. The lesson is
that many people can be led to believe an absurdity if it's presented
attractively enough, and believe it intensely enough to be willing to lay
down their lives for it.
Many people discover God decades after they have ceased believing in
the Tooth Fairy. Dawkins, of course, would just respond that people
such as this are senile or mad, but that is not logical argument.
Assuming McGrath hasn't distorted what Dawkins actually says, I'd have to
agree--to a point. Some people are uncannily adept at making believe in
whatever strikes their fancy. They imagine that any notion, no matter how
unlikely, must come true if only they believe in it intensely enough:
eternal life, a strong father figure to guard and guide them, eternal
rewards for themselves, eternal torment for their adversaries. Indeed, if
we think about it in that light, belief in a wise old fellow who swoops down
from the sky to deliver either goodies or discipline is exactly analogous to
belief in divine judgment, except one need wait only a few months--not a
lifetime--to get what's promised. Santa Claus is essentially a children's
version of God. But the other side of the coin is that the typical
Christian concept of God is essentially a Santa Claus in which it's socially
acceptable for grown-ups to profess belief.
Dawkins can no more 'prove' the non-existence of God than anyone else
can prove He does exist.
Does Dawkins ever claim to be able to prove the non-existence of God? I've
never heard him do so, and although I don't pay much attention to him, I
suspect he's not foolish enough to make such a claim. However, to imply
that he does (if in fact he does not) would be dishonest--bearing false
witness and that sort of thing--wouldn't it?
Most of us are aware that we hold many beliefs we cannot prove to be
true. It reminds us that we need to treat those who disagree with us
with intellectual respect, rather than dismissing them - as Dawkins
does - as liars, knaves and charlatans.
I'm sure there are many who earnestly believe many peculiar ideas; whether
the ideas in question happen to be true or false. These are honest people.
I respect their honesty, and I respect their right to believe whatever seems
true to them--as I expect them to respect my right to do likewise.
I suspect there are many more who make believe, or say they believe, in
ideas in which it is fashionable to believe, even though deep inside they
are actually more hopeful or fearful than truly convinced. These are the
self-deluded. I respect them, but also pity them, as fellow human beings
who aren't entirely clear about what they believe or why they believe it,
but feel obliged to conform.
But there are a conspicuous few who use religious belief to prey upon the
gullible; these sound like liars, knaves, and charlatans to me, and I do not
feel that any respect is owed them.
..
But when I debated these points with him, Dawkins seemed
uncomfortable. I was not surprised to be told that my contribution was
to be cut.
The Root Of All Evil? was subsequently panned for its blatant
unfairness. Where, the critics asked, was a responsible, informed
Christian response to Dawkins? The answer: on the cutting-room floor.
I trust McGrath's responsible and informed response was more logically
coherent and compelling than his sketchy case for conversion to
Christianity, given earlier in this post. But if it was not, then perhaps
the editors did him a favor by sparing him public ridicule and
embarrassment. (I have no way of knowing this, of course. But to judge
from McGrath's apparent difficulty in compiling a cogent argument, it would
seem a distinct possibility.)
The God Delusion is similarly full of misunderstanding. Dawkins simply
presents us with another dogmatic fundamentalism. Maybe that's why
some of the fiercest attacks on The God Delusion are coming from other
atheists, rather than religious believers. Michael Ruse, who describes
himself as a 'hardline Darwinian' philosopher, confessed that The God
Delusion made him 'embarrassed to be an atheist'.
The dogmatism of the work has attracted wide criticism from the
secularist community. Many who might be expected to support Dawkins
are trying to distance themselves from what they see as an
embarrassment.
Aware of the moral obligation of a critic of religion to deal with
this phenomenon at its best and most persuasive, many atheists have
been disturbed by Dawkins's crude stereotypes and seemingly
pathological hostility towards religion.
True, Dawkins is obviously hostile toward religion, but to say the hostility
is "pathological" seems an exaggeration. He is hostile toward religion
because he considers it harmful, and that humanity would be much better off
if they rid themselves of it. Since Dawkins's aim is not to do harm, but
rather to eradicate it, I don't see that we can fairly classify his motives
as pathological.
I can't say there's any moral obligation for critics of religion to deal
with it any more forthrightly than its proponents, who, by and large, seem
biased in the extreme, some even to the point of advocating the curtailment
of rights of those with whom they disagree. To my (admittedly limited)
knowledge, Dawkins has never advocated the curtailment of believers' rights,
other than to suggest that they voluntarily hold themselves to a stricter
standard of honesty than seems their custom, that they not claim to "know"
something which is merely believed, that they not advocate the incorporation
of sectarian taboo into civil law, and so on.
However, I do feel that both belief and disbelief would be better served by
cogent argument, than by the customary blind praise for one's own position
and the mindless insults hurled at those of different views, behavior sadly
typical of most informal exchanges on the topic. If we are to search for
truth, and hope to recognize it if it's discovered, we must speak frankly,
but also rationally. The childish insults, profanity, and absurdity that
pass for "argument" on either side serve only to diminish that side's
credibility, and are an embarrassment to its more serious and mature
advocates.
In fact, The God Delusion
might turn out to be a monumental own goal - persuading people that
atheism is just as intolerant as the worst that religion can offer.
Certainly there are intolerant, irrational, and even obnoxious atheists,
just as there are intolerant, irrational, and even obnoxious theists. But
if we were to stage a contest of intolerance, between anyone's choice of Pat
Robertson, Jerry Falwell, or Osama bin Laden on one side, and any advocate
of atheism--even the late Madalyn Murray-O'Hair--on the other, I fear the
atheist would have to concede defeat in the first round. Even in her most
inflammatory rants, O'Hair never advocated bombing or assassination to
promote atheism, or exhibited such a departure from reality as to blame the
world's problems on television programming for tots.
Alister McGrath is professor of theology at Oxford University. His new
book The Dawkins Delusion?, co-authored by Joanna Collicutt McGrath,
is published by SPCK at L7.99.
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26 May 2007 04:13:27 PM |
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"S. A. Joyce" wrote:
As to the "purpose" and "dignity" of life, for Christians these seem to
involve groveling before a supposedly perfectly self-sufficient being that
nevertheless craves and demands human worship and sacrifice. Please forgive
my skepticism, but propitiating petulant spirits doesn't strike me as
purposeful and dignified as, say, healing the sick, educating the young,
investigating nature, or challenging tyranny and injustice.
Damn, that was well put. Bravo.
--
Best Online comic: http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0001.html
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24 May 2007 04:43:27 AM |
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Do stop behaving as if you are God, Professor Dawkins
The Mail On Sunday (via VirtueOnline) ^ | 5/18/07 | Alister McGrath
Posted on 05/21/2007 10:05:04 AM PDT by Frumanchu
Do stop behaving as if you are God, Professor Dawkins
by Alister McGrath
The Daily Mail
5/18/2007
Original Article
He is a 'psychotic delinquent', invented by mad, deluded people. And
that's one of Dawkins's milder criticisms.
Dawkins, Oxford University's Professor for the Public Understanding of
Science, is on a crusade.
His salvo of outrage and ridicule is meant to rid the world of its
greatest evil: religion. "If this book works as I intend," he says,
"religious readers who open it will be atheists when they put it
down." But he admits such a result is unlikely. "Dyed-in-the-wool
faith-heads" (that's people who believe in God) are "immune to
argument", he says.
I have known Dawkins for more than 20 years; we are both Oxford
professors. I believe if anyone is "immune to argument" it is him. He
comes across as a dogmatic, aggressive propagandist.
Of course, back in the Sixties, everyone who mattered was telling us
that religion was dead. I was an atheist then. Growing up as a
Protestant in Northern Ireland, I had come to believe religion was the
cause of the Province's problems. While I loved studying the sciences
at school, they were important for another reason: science disproved
God. Believing in God was only for sad, mad and bad people who had yet
to be enlightened by science.
I went up to Oxford to study the sciences in 1971, expecting my
atheism to be consolidated. In the event, my world was turned upside
down. I gave up one belief, atheism, and embraced another,
Christianity. Why? There were many factors. For a start, I was alarmed
by some atheist writings, which seemed more preoccupied with
rubbishing religion than seeking the truth.
Above all, I encountered something at Oxford that I had failed to meet
in Northern Ireland - articulate Christians who were able to challenge
my atheism. I soon discovered two life-changing things.
First, Christianity made a lot of sense. It gave me a new way of
seeing and understanding the world, above all, the natural sciences.
Second, I discovered Christianity actually worked: it brought purpose
and dignity to life.
I kept studying the sciences, picking up a PhD for research in
molecular biophysics. But my heart and mind had been seduced by
theology. It still excites me today.
Dawkins and I both love the sciences; we both believe in evidence-
based reasoning. So how do we make sense of our different ways of
looking at the world? That is one of the issues about which I have
often wished we might have a proper discussion. Our paths do cross on
the television networks and we even managed to spar briefly across a
BBC sofa a few months back. We were also filmed having a debate for
Dawkins's recent Channel 4 programme, The Root Of All Evil? Dawkins
outlined his main criticisms of God, and I offered answers to what
were clearly exaggerations and misunderstandings. It was hardly rocket
science.
For instance, Dawkins often compares belief in God to an infantile
belief in Santa Claus or the Tooth Fairy, saying it is something we
should all outgrow. But the analogy is flawed. How many people do you
know who started to believe in Santa Claus in adulthood?
Many people discover God decades after they have ceased believing in
the Tooth Fairy. Dawkins, of course, would just respond that people
such as this are senile or mad, but that is not logical argument.
Dawkins can no more 'prove' the non-existence of God than anyone else
can prove He does exist.
Most of us are aware that we hold many beliefs we cannot prove to be
true. It reminds us that we need to treat those who disagree with us
with intellectual respect, rather than dismissing them - as Dawkins
does - as liars, knaves and charlatans.
But when I debated these points with him, Dawkins seemed
uncomfortable. I was not surprised to be told that my contribution was
to be cut.
The Root Of All Evil? was subsequently panned for its blatant
unfairness. Where, the critics asked, was a responsible, informed
Christian response to Dawkins? The answer: on the cutting-room floor.
The God Delusion is similarly full of misunderstanding. Dawkins simply
presents us with another dogmatic fundamentalism. Maybe that's why
some of the fiercest attacks on The God Delusion are coming from other
atheists, rather than religious believers. Michael Ruse, who describes
himself as a 'hardline Darwinian' philosopher, confessed that The God
Delusion made him 'embarrassed to be an atheist'.
The dogmatism of the work has attracted wide criticism from the
secularist community. Many who might be expected to support Dawkins
are trying to distance themselves from what they see as an
embarrassment.
Aware of the moral obligation of a critic of religion to deal with
this phenomenon at its best and most persuasive, many atheists have
been disturbed by Dawkins's crude stereotypes and seemingly
pathological hostility towards religion. In fact, The God Delusion
might turn out to be a monumental own goal - persuading people that
atheism is just as intolerant as the worst that religion can offer.
Alister McGrath is professor of theology at Oxford University. His new
book The Dawkins Delusion?, co-authored by Joanna Collicutt McGrath,
is published by SPCK at L7.99.
McGrath is suave and articulate, but his arguments are as rubbish as those
of the crudest fundies. He is embarassing to read and to listen to.
regards
Milan
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24 May 2007 08:25:36 AM |
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On Thu, 24 May 2007 10:43:27 +0100, "Milan" <mtklima@yahoo.com> wrote:
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Do stop behaving as if you are God, Professor Dawkins
Damn right. Who the hell does Dawkins think he is, anyway? Only
Christians are allowed to act as if they're God.
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23 May 2007 10:09:35 AM |
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Do stop behaving as if you are God, Professor Dawkins
Awww, to do that he'd have to stop committing genocide, killing the
firstborn of Egypt, ruining people's lives on a bet, and drowning the whole
world.
Oh, wait, he doesn't do any of that stuff! How the ***** is he supposed to
behave like god when he doesn't personally kill large numbers of people?
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dloubet@io.com
http//www.io.com/~dloubet
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24 May 2007 06:10:31 PM |
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In article <1179926898.954423.85650@p77g2000hsh.googlegroups.com>,
Sound of Trumpet <soundoftrumpet@emailaccount.com> wrote:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-religion/1837240/posts
Do stop behaving as if you are God, Professor Dawkins
The Mail On Sunday (via VirtueOnline) ^ | 5/18/07 | Alister McGrath
Posted on 05/21/2007 10:05:04 AM PDT by Frumanchu
Do stop behaving as if you are God, Professor Dawkins
by Alister McGrath
The Daily Mail
5/18/2007
Original Article
He (god) is a 'psychotic delinquent', invented by mad, deluded people.
And I agree.
--
John #1782
"We should always be disposed to believe that which appears to us to be
white is really black, if the hierarchy of the church so decides."
- Saint Ignatius Loyola (1491-1556) Founder of the Jesuit Order.
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23 May 2007 09:51:59 AM |
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On 23 May 2007 06:28:19 -0700, Sound of Trumpet
<soundoftrumpet@emailaccount.com> wrote:
Dawkins can no more 'prove' the non-existence of God than anyone else
can prove He does exist.
So, if you can't prove he exists, ***** and come back when you can.
Meanwhile, stop loony making claims with no supporting evidence whatsoever.
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JAF anarchatntlworldfullstopcom
How many beans make five?
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23 May 2007 08:52:48 PM |
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On 23 May 2007 06:28:19 -0700, Sound of Trumpet
<soundoftrumpet@emailaccount.com> wrote:
I have known Dawkins for more than 20 years; we are both Oxford
professors. I believe if anyone is "immune to argument" it is him. He
comes across as a dogmatic, aggressive propagandist.
He comes across as an adult living in a world of children, and the
children don't like being told that they're fools by an adult, since
they're used to being told how wonderful and intelligent they are.
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On 23 May 2007 06:28:19 -0700, Sound of Trumpet
<soundoftrumpet@emailaccount.com> wrote:
I have known Dawkins for more than 20 years; we are both Oxford
professors. I believe if anyone is "immune to argument" it is him. He
comes across as a dogmatic, aggressive propagandist.
That he's also right must gall you.
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"O Sybilli, si ergo
Fortibus es in ero
O Nobili! Themis trux
Sivat sinem? Causen Dux"
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24 May 2007 02:23:17 AM |
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On 23 May 2007 06:28:19 -0700, Sound of Trumpet
<soundoftrumpet@emailaccount.com> wrote:
I have known Dawkins for more than 20 years; we are both Oxford
professors. I believe if anyone is "immune to argument" it is him. He
comes across as a dogmatic, aggressive propagandist.
That he's also right must gall you.
Heh - nice. 10 points ;)
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24 May 2007 04:00:17 AM |
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On 23 May 2007 06:28:19 -0700, Sound of Trumpet
<soundoftrumpet@emailaccount.com> wrote:
I have known Dawkins for more than 20 years; we are both Oxford
professors.
Oh, excellent. That's made my day. Now, back to mopping out the bogs, SoT.
--
Ignorance more frequently begets confidence than does knowledge: it is those
who know little, not those who know much, who so positively assert that this
or that problem will never be solved by science.
[email me at huge {at} huge (dot) org <dot> uk]
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24 May 2007 02:55:43 PM |
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On May 23, 9:28 am, Sound of Trumpet <soundoftrum...@emailaccount.com>
wrote:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-religion/1837240/posts
Do stop behaving as if you are God, Professor Dawkins
The Mail On Sunday (via VirtueOnline) ^ | 5/18/07 | Alister McGrath
Posted on 05/21/2007 10:05:04 AM PDT by Frumanchu
Do stop behaving as if you are God, Professor Dawkins
by Alister McGrath
The Daily Mail
5/18/2007
Original Article
He is a 'psychotic delinquent', invented by mad, deluded people. And
that's one of Dawkins's milder criticisms.
Dawkins, Oxford University's Professor for the Public Understanding of
Science, is on a crusade.
His salvo of outrage and ridicule is meant to rid the world of its
greatest evil: religion. "If this book works as I intend," he says,
"religious readers who open it will be atheists when they put it
down." But he admits such a result is unlikely. "Dyed-in-the-wool
faith-heads" (that's people who believe in God) are "immune to
argument", he says.
I have known Dawkins for more than 20 years; we are both Oxford
professors. I believe if anyone is "immune to argument" it is him. He
comes across as a dogmatic, aggressive propagandist.
Of course, back in the Sixties, everyone who mattered was telling us
that religion was dead. I was an atheist then. Growing up as a
Protestant in Northern Ireland, I had come to believe religion was the
cause of the Province's problems. While I loved studying the sciences
at school, they were important for another reason: science disproved
God. Believing in God was only for sad, mad and bad people who had yet
to be enlightened by science.
I went up to Oxford to study the sciences in 1971, expecting my
atheism to be consolidated. In the event, my world was turned upside
down. I gave up one belief, atheism, and embraced another,
Christianity. Why? There were many factors. For a start, I was alarmed
by some atheist writings, which seemed more preoccupied with
rubbishing religion than seeking the truth.
Above all, I encountered something at Oxford that I had failed to meet
in Northern Ireland - articulate Christians who were able to challenge
my atheism. I soon discovered two life-changing things.
First, Christianity made a lot of sense. It gave me a new way of
seeing and understanding the world, above all, the natural sciences.
Second, I discovered Christianity actually worked: it brought purpose
and dignity to life.
I kept studying the sciences, picking up a PhD for research in
molecular biophysics. But my heart and mind had been seduced by
theology. It still excites me today.
Dawkins and I both love the sciences; we both believe in evidence-
based reasoning. So how do we make sense of our different ways of
looking at the world? That is one of the issues about which I have
often wished we might have a proper discussion. Our paths do cross on
the television networks and we even managed to spar briefly across a
BBC sofa a few months back. We were also filmed having a debate for
Dawkins's recent Channel 4 programme, The Root Of All Evil? Dawkins
outlined his main criticisms of God, and I offered answers to what
were clearly exaggerations and misunderstandings. It was hardly rocket
science.
For instance, Dawkins often compares belief in God to an infantile
belief in Santa Claus or the Tooth Fairy, saying it is something we
should all outgrow. But the analogy is flawed. How many people do you
know who started to believe in Santa Claus in adulthood?
Many people discover God decades after they have ceased believing in
the Tooth Fairy. Dawkins, of course, would just respond that people
such as this are senile or mad, but that is not logical argument.
Dawkins can no more 'prove' the non-existence of God than anyone else
can prove He does exist.
Most of us are aware that we hold many beliefs we cannot prove to be
true. It reminds us that we need to treat those who disagree with us
with intellectual respect, rather than dismissing them - as Dawkins
does - as liars, knaves and charlatans.
But when I debated these points with him, Dawkins seemed
uncomfortable. I was not surprised to be told that my contribution was
to be cut.
The Root Of All Evil? was subsequently panned for its blatant
unfairness. Where, the critics asked, was a responsible, informed
Christian response to Dawkins? The answer: on the cutting-room floor.
The God Delusion is similarly full of misunderstanding. Dawkins simply
presents us with another dogmatic fundamentalism. Maybe that's why
some of the fiercest attacks on The God Delusion are coming from other
atheists, rather than religious believers. Michael Ruse, who describes
himself as a 'hardline Darwinian' philosopher, confessed that The God
Delusion made him 'embarrassed to be an atheist'.
The dogmatism of the work has attracted wide criticism from the
secularist community. Many who might be expected to support Dawkins
are trying to distance themselves from what they see as an
embarrassment.
Aware of the moral obligation of a critic of religion to deal with
this phenomenon at its best and most persuasive, many atheists have
been disturbed by Dawkins's crude stereotypes and seemingly
pathological hostility towards religion. In fact, The God Delusion
might turn out to be a monumental own goal - persuading people that
atheism is just as intolerant as the worst that religion can offer.
Alister McGrath is professor of theology at Oxford University. His new
book The Dawkins Delusion?, co-authored by Joanna Collicutt McGrath,
is published by SPCK at L7.99.
Do you believe that Benny Hinn heals people by slapping them on their
forehead?
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24 May 2007 09:05:52 PM |
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On 24 May 2007 12:55:43 -0700, scotty <bnbkern@comcast.net> wrote:
Do you believe that Benny Hinn heals people by slapping them on their
forehead?
Absolutely. Cures them of having too much money.
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23 May 2007 11:44:25 AM |
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Sound of Trumpet wrote:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-religion/1837240/posts
Do stop behaving as if you are God, Professor Dawkins
The Mail On Sunday (via VirtueOnline) ^ | 5/18/07 | Alister McGrath
Posted on 05/21/2007 10:05:04 AM PDT by Frumanchu
Do stop behaving as if you are God, Professor Dawkins
by Alister McGrath
The Daily Mail
5/18/2007
Original Article
He is a 'psychotic delinquent', invented by mad, deluded people. And
that's one of Dawkins's milder criticisms.
(snip)
Alister McGrath is professor of theology at Oxford University. His new
book The Dawkins Delusion?, co-authored by Joanna Collicutt McGrath,
is published by SPCK at L7.99.
Here is another believer who is not above cashing in on the
"faith-heads" panic at having their delusions criticized.
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24 May 2007 02:53:37 AM |
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These fundies are amazing. There are maybe 3-5 shows about
atheism on TV in the history of the world, and they say that they
are biased. Well, what the bloody hell (since they all seem to be
coming from Jolly Old) did they expect? How many biased Christian
shows have been on TV in the history of the world - millions? Not
to mention all the Christian radio shows that have been on since
radio began. And, these Christian tv and radio shows are on
every day of the week several times per day! My response to
Sound of Trumpet and Dr.McGrath is for them both to get stuffed.
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^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^
Michelle Malkin (Mickey) aa list#1
BAAWA Knight & Bible Thumper Thumper
^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^
When fascism comes to America, it will be
wrapped in the flag and carrying a cross -
Sinclair Lewis
"Sound of Trumpet" <soundoftrumpet@emailaccount.com> wrote in message
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http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-religion/1837240/posts
Do stop behaving as if you are God, Professor Dawkins
The Mail On Sunday (via VirtueOnline) ^ | 5/18/07 | Alister McGrath
Posted on 05/21/2007 10:05:04 AM PDT by Frumanchu
Do stop behaving as if you are God, Professor Dawkins
by Alister McGrath
The Daily Mail
5/18/2007
Original Article
He is a 'psychotic delinquent', invented by mad, deluded people. And
that's one of Dawkins's milder criticisms.
Dawkins, Oxford University's Professor for the Public Understanding of
Science, is on a crusade.
His salvo of outrage and ridicule is meant to rid the world of its
greatest evil: religion. "If this book works as I intend," he says,
"religious readers who open it will be atheists when they put it
down." But he admits such a result is unlikely. "Dyed-in-the-wool
faith-heads" (that's people who believe in God) are "immune to
argument", he says.
I have known Dawkins for more than 20 years; we are both Oxford
professors. I believe if anyone is "immune to argument" it is him. He
comes across as a dogmatic, aggressive propagandist.
Of course, back in the Sixties, everyone who mattered was telling us
that religion was dead. I was an atheist then. Growing up as a
Protestant in Northern Ireland, I had come to believe religion was the
cause of the Province's problems. While I loved studying the sciences
at school, they were important for another reason: science disproved
God. Believing in God was only for sad, mad and bad people who had yet
to be enlightened by science.
I went up to Oxford to study the sciences in 1971, expecting my
atheism to be consolidated. In the event, my world was turned upside
down. I gave up one belief, atheism, and embraced another,
Christianity. Why? There were many factors. For a start, I was alarmed
by some atheist writings, which seemed more preoccupied with
rubbishing religion than seeking the truth.
Above all, I encountered something at Oxford that I had failed to meet
in Northern Ireland - articulate Christians who were able to challenge
my atheism. I soon discovered two life-changing things.
First, Christianity made a lot of sense. It gave me a new way of
seeing and understanding the world, above all, the natural sciences.
Second, I discovered Christianity actually worked: it brought purpose
and dignity to life.
I kept studying the sciences, picking up a PhD for research in
molecular biophysics. But my heart and mind had been seduced by
theology. It still excites me today.
Dawkins and I both love the sciences; we both believe in evidence-
based reasoning. So how do we make sense of our different ways of
looking at the world? That is one of the issues about which I have
often wished we might have a proper discussion. Our paths do cross on
the television networks and we even managed to spar briefly across a
BBC sofa a few months back. We were also filmed having a debate for
Dawkins's recent Channel 4 programme, The Root Of All Evil? Dawkins
outlined his main criticisms of God, and I offered answers to what
were clearly exaggerations and misunderstandings. It was hardly rocket
science.
For instance, Dawkins often compares belief in God to an infantile
belief in Santa Claus or the Tooth Fairy, saying it is something we
should all outgrow. But the analogy is flawed. How many people do you
know who started to believe in Santa Claus in adulthood?
Many people discover God decades after they have ceased believing in
the Tooth Fairy. Dawkins, of course, would just respond that people
such as this are senile or mad, but that is not logical argument.
Dawkins can no more 'prove' the non-existence of God than anyone else
can prove He does exist.
Most of us are aware that we hold many beliefs we cannot prove to be
true. It reminds us that we need to treat those who disagree with us
with intellectual respect, rather than dismissing them - as Dawkins
does - as liars, knaves and charlatans.
But when I debated these points with him, Dawkins seemed
uncomfortable. I was not surprised to be told that my contribution was
to be cut.
The Root Of All Evil? was subsequently panned for its blatant
unfairness. Where, the critics asked, was a responsible, informed
Christian response to Dawkins? The answer: on the cutting-room floor.
The God Delusion is similarly full of misunderstanding. Dawkins simply
presents us with another dogmatic fundamentalism. Maybe that's why
some of the fiercest attacks on The God Delusion are coming from other
atheists, rather than religious believers. Michael Ruse, who describes
himself as a 'hardline Darwinian' philosopher, confessed that The God
Delusion made him 'embarrassed to be an atheist'.
The dogmatism of the work has attracted wide criticism from the
secularist community. Many who might be expected to support Dawkins
are trying to distance themselves from what they see as an
embarrassment.
Aware of the moral obligation of a critic of religion to deal with
this phenomenon at its best and most persuasive, many atheists have
been disturbed by Dawkins's crude stereotypes and seemingly
pathological hostility towards religion. In fact, The God Delusion
might turn out to be a monumental own goal - persuading people that
atheism is just as intolerant as the worst that religion can offer.
Alister McGrath is professor of theology at Oxford University. His new
book The Dawkins Delusion?, co-authored by Joanna Collicutt McGrath,
is published by SPCK at L7.99.
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24 May 2007 10:02:28 AM |
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"Michelle Malkin" <hypatiab7@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:dIKdndKvhK7o2cjbnZ2dnUVZ_hadnZ2d@comcast.com...
These fundies are amazing. There are maybe 3-5 shows about
atheism on TV in the history of the world, and they say that they
are biased. Well, what the bloody hell (since they all seem to be
coming from Jolly Old) did they expect? How many biased Christian
shows have been on TV in the history of the world - millions? Not
to mention all the Christian radio shows that have been on since
radio began. And, these Christian tv and radio shows are on
every day of the week several times per day! My response to
Sound of Trumpet and Dr.McGrath is for them both to get stuffed.
I agree. If I have to see f'ing advertisements for christian rock albums on
Cartoon Network, then they can shut their pie holes about the occasional
program on atheism.
--
Robyn
Resident Witchypoo
BAAWA Knight!
#1557
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24 May 2007 06:16:13 PM |
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In article <5blnniF2smfocU1@mid.individual.net>,
"Robibnikoff" <witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote:
"Michelle Malkin" <hypatiab7@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:dIKdndKvhK7o2cjbnZ2dnUVZ_hadnZ2d@comcast.com...
These fundies are amazing. There are maybe 3-5 shows about
atheism on TV in the history of the world, and they say that they
are biased. Well, what the bloody hell (since they all seem to be
coming from Jolly Old) did they expect? How many biased Christian
shows have been on TV in the history of the world - millions? Not
to mention all the Christian radio shows that have been on since
radio began. And, these Christian tv and radio shows are on
every day of the week several times per day! My response to
Sound of Trumpet and Dr.McGrath is for them both to get stuffed.
I agree. If I have to see f'ing advertisements for christian rock albums on
Cartoon Network, then they can shut their pie holes about the occasional
program on atheism.
Not only do we get them, but we also get ads for specific churches.
"Come visit our church next Sunday and transform your life" nonsense.
Pat Robertson still has his crappy little show on every day, so why
can't we have one of our own shows once and a while?
--
John #1782
"We should always be disposed to believe that which appears to us to be
white is really black, if the hierarchy of the church so decides."
- Saint Ignatius Loyola (1491-1556) Founder of the Jesuit Order.
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25 May 2007 03:15:14 AM |
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On May 24, 7:16 pm, johac <jhachm...@remove.sbcglobal.net> wrote:
In article <5blnniF2smfo...@mid.individual.net>,
"Robibnikoff" <witchy...@broomstick.com> wrote:
"Michelle Malkin" <hypati...@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:dIKdndKvhK7o2cjbnZ2dnUVZ_hadnZ2d@comcast.com...
These fundies are amazing. There are maybe 3-5 shows about
atheism on TV in the history of the world, and they say that they
are biased. Well, what the bloody hell (since they all seem to be
coming from Jolly Old) did they expect? How many biased Christian
shows have been on TV in the history of the world - millions? Not
to mention all the Christian radio shows that have been on since
radio began. And, these Christian tv and radio shows are on
every day of the week several times per day! My response to
Sound of Trumpet and Dr.McGrath is for them both to get stuffed.
I agree. If I have to see f'ing advertisements for christian rock albums on
Cartoon Network, then they can shut their pie holes about the occasional
program on atheism.
Not only do we get them, but we also get ads for specific churches.
"Come visit our church next Sunday and transform your life" nonsense.
Pat Robertson still has his crappy little show on every day, so why
can't we have one of our own shows once and a while?
--
Because then we'd be "attacking", and they can't stand for that..
Or any other disenting views..
PDW
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25 May 2007 05:37:40 PM |
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In article <1180080914.787944.169460@q75g2000hsh.googlegroups.com>,
"Syd M." <pdwright42@yahoo.com> wrote:
On May 24, 7:16 pm, johac <jhachm...@remove.sbcglobal.net> wrote:
In article <5blnniF2smfo...@mid.individual.net>,
"Robibnikoff" <witchy...@broomstick.com> wrote:
"Michelle Malkin" <hypati...@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:dIKdndKvhK7o2cjbnZ2dnUVZ_hadnZ2d@comcast.com...
These fundies are amazing. There are maybe 3-5 shows about
atheism on TV in the history of the world, and they say that they
are biased. Well, what the bloody hell (since they all seem to be
coming from Jolly Old) did they expect? How many biased Christian
shows have been on TV in the history of the world - millions? Not
to mention all the Christian radio shows that have been on since
radio began. And, these Christian tv and radio shows are on
every day of the week several times per day! My response to
Sound of Trumpet and Dr.McGrath is for them both to get stuffed.
I agree. If I have to see f'ing advertisements for christian rock albums
on
Cartoon Network, then they can shut their pie holes about the occasional
program on atheism.
Not only do we get them, but we also get ads for specific churches.
"Come visit our church next Sunday and transform your life" nonsense.
Pat Robertson still has his crappy little show on every day, so why
can't we have one of our own shows once and a while?
--
Because then we'd be "attacking", and they can't stand for that..
Or any other disenting views..
Their reaction to reason is the same as vampires to sunlight.
PDW
--
John #1782
"We should always be disposed to believe that which appears to us to be
white is really black, if the hierarchy of the church so decides."
- Saint Ignatius Loyola (1491-1556) Founder of the Jesuit Order.
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26 May 2007 05:08:18 AM |
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On May 25, 6:37 pm, johac <jhachm...@remove.sbcglobal.net> wrote:
In article <1180080914.787944.169...@q75g2000hsh.googlegroups.com>,
"Syd M." <pdwrigh...@yahoo.com> wrote:
On May 24, 7:16 pm, johac <jhachm...@remove.sbcglobal.net> wrote:
In article <5blnniF2smfo...@mid.individual.net>,
"Robibnikoff" <witchy...@broomstick.com> wrote:
"Michelle Malkin" <hypati...@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:dIKdndKvhK7o2cjbnZ2dnUVZ_hadnZ2d@comcast.com...
These fundies are amazing. There are maybe 3-5 shows about
atheism on TV in the history of the world, and they say that they
are biased. Well, what the bloody hell (since they all seem to be
coming from Jolly Old) did they expect? How many biased Christian
shows have been on TV in the history of the world - millions? Not
to mention all the Christian radio shows that have been on since
radio began. And, these Christian tv and radio shows are on
every day of the week several times per day! My response to
Sound of Trumpet and Dr.McGrath is for them both to get stuffed.
I agree. If I have to see f'ing advertisements for christian rock albums
on
Cartoon Network, then they can shut their pie holes about the occasional
program on atheism.
Not only do we get them, but we also get ads for specific churches.
"Come visit our church next Sunday and transform your life" nonsense.
Pat Robertson still has his crappy little show on every day, so why
can't we have one of our own shows once and a while?
--
Because then we'd be "attacking", and they can't stand for that..
Or any other disenting views..
Their reaction to reason is the same as vampires to sunlight.
Good one!
PDW
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| User: "johac" |
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27 May 2007 01:34:52 AM |
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In article <1180174098.130522.101350@q69g2000hsb.googlegroups.com>,
"Syd M." <pdwright42@yahoo.com> wrote:
On May 25, 6:37 pm, johac <jhachm...@remove.sbcglobal.net> wrote:
In article <1180080914.787944.169...@q75g2000hsh.googlegroups.com>,
"Syd M." <pdwrigh...@yahoo.com> wrote:
On May 24, 7:16 pm, johac <jhachm...@remove.sbcglobal.net> wrote:
In article <5blnniF2smfo...@mid.individual.net>,
"Robibnikoff" <witchy...@broomstick.com> wrote:
"Michelle Malkin" <hypati...@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:dIKdndKvhK7o2cjbnZ2dnUVZ_hadnZ2d@comcast.com...
These fundies are amazing. There are maybe 3-5 shows about
atheism on TV in the history of the world, and they say that they
are biased. Well, what the bloody hell (since they all seem to be
coming from Jolly Old) did they expect? How many biased Christian
shows have been on TV in the history of the world - millions? Not
to mention all the Christian radio shows that have been on since
radio began. And, these Christian tv and radio shows are on
every day of the week several times per day! My response to
Sound of Trumpet and Dr.McGrath is for them both to get stuffed.
I agree. If I have to see f'ing advertisements for christian rock
albums
on
Cartoon Network, then they can shut their pie holes about the
occasional
program on atheism.
Not only do we get them, but we also get ads for specific churches.
"Come visit our church next Sunday and transform your life" nonsense.
Pat Robertson still has his crappy little show on every day, so why
can't we have one of our own shows once and a while?
--
Because then we'd be "attacking", and they can't stand for that..
Or any other disenting views..
Their reaction to reason is the same as vampires to sunlight.
Good one!
Thanks.
PDW
--
John #1782
"We should always be disposed to believe that which appears to us to be
white is really black, if the hierarchy of the church so decides."
- Saint Ignatius Loyola (1491-1556) Founder of the Jesuit Order.
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| User: "Don Stockbauer" |
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27 May 2007 07:06:14 AM |
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Do Stop Behaving As If You Are God, Professor Dawkins
He is God. We're all God, but just don't realize it.
Linked by the web into a meta-God.
Linked by SETI into a meta-meta-God.
And so on.
Have a nice Sunday.
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| User: "johac" |
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27 May 2007 06:22:12 PM |
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In article <1180267574.924668.108130@w5g2000hsg.googlegroups.com>,
Don Stockbauer <donstockbauer@hotmail.com> wrote:
Do Stop Behaving As If You Are God, Professor Dawkins
He is God. We're all God, but just don't realize it.
Linked by the web into a meta-God.
Linked by SETI into a meta-meta-God.
And so on.
I think not. Evidence?
Have a nice Sunday.
I will.
--
John #1782
"We should always be disposed to believe that which appears to us to be
white is really black, if the hierarchy of the church so decides."
- Saint Ignatius Loyola (1491-1556) Founder of the Jesuit Order.
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| User: "Kate " |
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27 May 2007 09:32:03 AM |
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On 27 May 2007 05:06:14 -0700, Don Stockbauer
<donstockbauer@hotmail.com> wrote:
Do Stop Behaving As If You Are God, Professor Dawkins
He is God. We're all God, but just don't realize it.
Linked by the web into a meta-God.
Linked by SETI into a meta-meta-God.
And so on.
Have a nice Sunday.
Show some proof dear. Only a fool believes someone claiming the
incredible without it.
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| User: "Michelle Malkin" |
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| Title: Re: Do Stop Behaving As If You Are God, Professor Dawkins |
25 May 2007 05:20:43 AM |
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When fascism comes to America, it will be
wrapped in the flag and carrying a cross -
Sinclair Lewis
"Syd M." <pdwright42@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1180080914.787944.169460@q75g2000hsh.googlegroups.com...
On May 24, 7:16 pm, johac <jhachm...@remove.sbcglobal.net> wrote:
In article <5blnniF2smfo...@mid.individual.net>,
"Robibnikoff" <witchy...@broomstick.com> wrote:
"Michelle Malkin" <hypati...@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:dIKdndKvhK7o2cjbnZ2dnUVZ_hadnZ2d@comcast.com...
These fundies are amazing. There are maybe 3-5 shows about
atheism on TV in the history of the world, and they say that they
are biased. Well, what the bloody hell (since they all seem to be
coming from Jolly Old) did they expect? How many biased Christian
shows have been on TV in the history of the world - millions? Not
to mention all the Christian radio shows that have been on since
radio began. And, these Christian tv and radio shows are on
every day of the week several times per day! My response to
Sound of Trumpet and Dr.McGrath is for them both to get stuffed.
I agree. If I have to see f'ing advertisements for christian rock
albums on
Cartoon Network, then they can shut their pie holes about the
occasional
program on atheism.
Not only do we get them, but we also get ads for specific churches.
"Come visit our church next Sunday and transform your life" nonsense.
Pat Robertson still has his crappy little show on every day, so why
can't we have one of our own shows once and a while?
--
Because then we'd be "attacking", and they can't stand for that..
Or any other disenting views..
I don't know if American Atheists still has their tv show (it isn't
shown in Philadelphia, if it is), but there are now several atheist
radio shows that can be heard over the Internet, if not on local
radio stations. They are all very biased in favor of atheism. Good
for them. I wish there were more, since they are still a drop in
the bucket in comparison to the tons of Christian shows. Still,
they are an excellent begining. If people such as Sound of
Trumpet and Dr. McGrath don't like this, tough patooties!
--
^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^
Michelle Malkin (Mickey) aa list#1
BAAWA Knight & Bible Thumper Thumper
^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^
When fascism comes to America, it will be
wrapped in the flag and carrying a cross -
Sinclair Lewis
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| User: "johac" |
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| Title: Re: Do Stop Behaving As If You Are God, Professor Dawkins |
25 May 2007 05:40:05 PM |
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In article <PqGdnRhKzJz2JcvbnZ2dnUVZ_silnZ2d@comcast.com>,
"Michelle Malkin" <hypatiab7@comcast.net> wrote:
When fascism comes to America, it will be
wrapped in the flag and carrying a cross -
Sinclair Lewis
"Syd M." <pdwright42@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1180080914.787944.169460@q75g2000hsh.googlegroups.com...
On May 24, 7:16 pm, johac <jhachm...@remove.sbcglobal.net> wrote:
In article <5blnniF2smfo...@mid.individual.net>,
"Robibnikoff" <witchy...@broomstick.com> wrote:
"Michelle Malkin" <hypati...@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:dIKdndKvhK7o2cjbnZ2dnUVZ_hadnZ2d@comcast.com...
These fundies are amazing. There are maybe 3-5 shows about
atheism on TV in the history of the world, and they say that they
are biased. Well, what the bloody hell (since they all seem to be
coming from Jolly Old) did they expect? How many biased Christian
shows have been on TV in the history of the world - millions? Not
to mention all the Christian radio shows that have been on since
radio began. And, these Christian tv and radio shows are on
every day of the week several times per day! My response to
Sound of Trumpet and Dr.McGrath is for them both to get stuffed.
I agree. If I have to see f'ing advertisements for christian rock
albums on
Cartoon Network, then they can shut their pie holes about the
occasional
program on atheism.
Not only do we get them, but we also get ads for specific churches.
"Come visit our church next Sunday and transform your life" nonsense.
Pat Robertson still has his crappy little show on every day, so why
can't we have one of our own shows once and a while?
--
Because then we'd be "attacking", and they can't stand for that..
Or any other disenting views..
I don't know if American Atheists still has their tv show (it isn't
shown in Philadelphia, if it is), but there are now several atheist
radio shows that can be heard over the Internet, if not on local
radio stations. They are all very biased in favor of atheism. Good
for them. I wish there were more, since they are still a drop in
the bucket in comparison to the tons of Christian shows. Still,
they are an excellent begining. If people such as Sound of
Trumpet and Dr. McGrath don't like this, tough patooties!
There are none in San Diego unless they are on satellite radio which I
don't have.
--
John #1782
"We should always be disposed to believe that which appears to us to be
white is really black, if the hierarchy of the church so decides."
- Saint Ignatius Loyola (1491-1556) Founder of the Jesuit Order.
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| User: "Agki" |
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| Title: Re: Do Stop Behaving As If You Are God, Professor Dawkins |
24 May 2007 05:39:07 AM |
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On May 24, 3:53 am, "Michelle Malkin" <hypati...@comcast.net> wrote:
These fundies are amazing. There are maybe 3-5 shows about
atheism on TV in the history of the world, and they say that they
are biased. Well, what the bloody hell (since they all seem to be
coming from Jolly Old) did they expect? How many biased Christian
shows have been on TV in the history of the world - millions?
And they have invaded PBS! The latest series on the Mormons on PBS
was pure kissing the ***** of Romney and his bid to be Reichsfuehrer of
Amerika.
Not
to mention all the Christian radio shows that have been on since
radio began. And, these Christian tv and radio shows are on
every day of the week several times per day! My response to
Sound of Trumpet and Dr.McGrath is for them both to get stuffed.
--
Why do you think you cannot select exactly which channels you want to
buy from your "local" cable service? You have to get "packages" or
"tiers" and not individual stations because the televangelists fixed
the system so that they could not be excluded by deselection of their
programming. I would not subscribe to "The Inspiration Network" with
its 24 hour preaching.
Agkistrodon
BAAWA Knight & Bible Thumper Thumper
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