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Topic: Religions > Atheism
User: "AL"
Date: 28 Sep 2006 10:50:13 AM
Object: Do we see an actual universe or is it restricted to our own tinted, "contented" realm?
Al wrote:
Are our observed truths generalized truths or specific truths? Are
"general" and "specific" and "broad" and "narrow" not terms that are
relative? What thoughts would we think, if there was no imagined
visual/formative capacity in our neurological processes? Would words
exist or be communicable if there were no neruo-symmetric synergistic
links and formations being associated with the words?
Because there is a dependence on imagined form, are the myriad forms
and sequential matrices of thought each one obtains from their own
pathways' interactions truely effectively communicable? Do we see an
actual universe or is it restricted to our own tinted, "contented"
realm?
Why do we expect accuracy as our organisms energies attempt to transmit
"information" to another entities "generally" similar system of
thought organization?
And do we expect anything universally "right-on" knowing that
these formations are probably not accurately transposed from largely
"energy- interplay" to an entirely archaic system of visually sensed
"letter and number symbols; frozen notations?"
Are these lines and dashes we have developed thoroughly depicting our
electric, fractionalized, dancing, inner interplay?
We sure seem to think so, and so, were ARE something special!
We are children of the universe in child's play. We are proud. We
know because we think we know. Our thoughts are OUR thoughts. BUT, they
may not be the thought or thoughts of another being in time-space with
substantially dissimilar interpretations of imaginary form.
There may well be, a being, able to communicate synergistically laden
words and concepts against other synergistically propelled concepts
easily, but it is not us.
Our colored ideas smear into grey quickly as we ascribe confidence to
them.
Tear off the lens of the eye and the forms we have labeled so
confidently cease to be perceived. There is only bright light. In such
a reality the stars were never there to discuss or measure if there was
no mechanism constructed to witness them. The ideas of infinity, of
flight, of color would not exist; to us.
If there is purpose for our discussions, if there is sensible humane
benefit potential present in them, then we must continue with what
skills we have. If there is no perceivable purpose then we might well
discuss, with our god-like skill, another venture.
.

User: "Robibnikoff"

Title: Re: Do we see an actual universe or is it restricted to our own tinted, "contented" realm? 28 Sep 2006 02:46:31 PM
"AL" <aavery6801@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1159458613.669212.133540@k70g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...

Al wrote:

Are our observed truths generalized truths or specific truths? Are
"general" and "specific" and "broad" and "narrow" not terms that are
relative? What thoughts would we think, if there was no imagined
visual/formative capacity in our neurological processes? Would words
exist or be communicable if there were no neruo-symmetric synergistic
links and formations being associated with the words?

Don't ask me. My biggest concern at the moment is what am I going to make
for dinner.
--
Robyn
Resident Witchypoo
#1557
.
User: "Pastor Kutchie"

Title: Re: Do we see an actual universe or is it restricted to our own tinted, "contented" realm? 28 Sep 2006 11:56:17 PM
Robibnikoff wrote:

"AL" <aavery6801@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1159458613.669212.133540@k70g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...

Al wrote:

Are our observed truths generalized truths or specific truths? Are
"general" and "specific" and "broad" and "narrow" not terms that are
relative? What thoughts would we think, if there was no imagined
visual/formative capacity in our neurological processes? Would words
exist or be communicable if there were no neruo-symmetric synergistic
links and formations being associated with the words?


Don't ask me. My biggest concern at the moment is what am I going to make
for dinner.
--
Robyn
Resident Witchypoo
#1557

Well, there's word salad for starters.
.
User: "Robibnikoff"

Title: Re: Do we see an actual universe or is it restricted to our own tinted, "contented" realm? 29 Sep 2006 09:13:51 AM
"Pastor Kutchie" <user13@heathens.org.uk> wrote in message
news:1159505777.720821.241930@c28g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...


Robibnikoff wrote:

"AL" <aavery6801@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1159458613.669212.133540@k70g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...

Al wrote:

Are our observed truths generalized truths or specific truths? Are
"general" and "specific" and "broad" and "narrow" not terms that are
relative? What thoughts would we think, if there was no imagined
visual/formative capacity in our neurological processes? Would words
exist or be communicable if there were no neruo-symmetric synergistic
links and formations being associated with the words?


Don't ask me. My biggest concern at the moment is what am I going to
make
for dinner.


Well, there's word salad for starters.

Low fat AND boring! :)
--
Robyn
Resident Witchypoo
#1557
.



User: "The Rev Dr Hugh Jarse NLAHN"

Title: Re: Do we see an actual universe or is it restricted to our own tinted, "contented" realm? 28 Sep 2006 11:52:38 PM
AL wrote:

Al wrote:

Are our observed truths generalized truths or specific truths? Are
"general" and "specific" and "broad" and "narrow" not terms that are
relative? What thoughts would we think, if there was no imagined
visual/formative capacity in our neurological processes? Would words
exist or be communicable if there were no neruo-symmetric synergistic
links and formations being associated with the words?

Because there is a dependence on imagined form,

No, there isn't. Not unless you are totally lost in solipsism.
.

User: "Neil Kelsey"

Title: Re: Do we see an actual universe or is it restricted to our own tinted, "contented" realm? 28 Sep 2006 04:49:03 PM
AL wrote:

Al wrote:

Are our observed truths generalized truths or specific truths? Are
"general" and "specific" and "broad" and "narrow" not terms that are
relative? What thoughts would we think, if there was no imagined
visual/formative capacity in our neurological processes? Would words
exist or be communicable if there were no neruo-symmetric synergistic
links and formations being associated with the words?

Because there is a dependence on imagined form, are the myriad forms
and sequential matrices of thought each one obtains from their own
pathways' interactions truely effectively communicable? Do we see an
actual universe or is it restricted to our own tinted, "contented"
realm?
Why do we expect accuracy as our organisms energies attempt to transmit
"information" to another entities "generally" similar system of
thought organization?

And do we expect anything universally "right-on" knowing that
these formations are probably not accurately transposed from largely
"energy- interplay" to an entirely archaic system of visually sensed
"letter and number symbols; frozen notations?"
Are these lines and dashes we have developed thoroughly depicting our
electric, fractionalized, dancing, inner interplay?
We sure seem to think so, and so, were ARE something special!

We are children of the universe in child's play. We are proud. We
know because we think we know. Our thoughts are OUR thoughts. BUT, they
may not be the thought or thoughts of another being in time-space with
substantially dissimilar interpretations of imaginary form.

There may well be, a being, able to communicate synergistically laden
words and concepts against other synergistically propelled concepts
easily, but it is not us.
Our colored ideas smear into grey quickly as we ascribe confidence to
them.

Tear off the lens of the eye and the forms we have labeled so
confidently cease to be perceived.

You still have the lobe of the ear, the taste of the tongue, and the
feel of the skin to toss out too. What have you got against the other
senses? Like common sense?

There is only bright light.

Tear your lens off and see if that's true.

In such
a reality the stars were never there to discuss or measure if there was
no mechanism constructed to witness them.

The old tree falling in the forest trick. Of course it makes a noise.

The ideas of infinity, of
flight, of color would not exist; to us.

We wouldn't be us anyway, would we, without ever having developed eyes?

If there is purpose for our discussions, if there is sensible humane
benefit potential present in them, then we must continue with what
skills we have.

What do you propose is the alternative? Amputations for all?

If there is no perceivable purpose then we might well
discuss, with our god-like skill, another venture.

No one has god-like skills. We're here discussing that subject already.
.

User: "raven1"

Title: Re: Do we see an actual universe or is it restricted to our own tinted, "contented" realm? 29 Sep 2006 04:58:26 PM
On 28 Sep 2006 08:50:13 -0700, "AL" <aavery6801@yahoo.com> wrote:

Al wrote:

Are our observed truths generalized truths or specific truths? Are
"general" and "specific" and "broad" and "narrow" not terms that are
relative? What thoughts would we think, if there was no imagined
visual/formative capacity in our neurological processes? Would words
exist or be communicable if there were no neruo-symmetric synergistic
links and formations being associated with the words?

Because there is a dependence on imagined form, are the myriad forms
and sequential matrices of thought each one obtains from their own
pathways' interactions truely effectively communicable? Do we see an
actual universe or is it restricted to our own tinted, "contented"
realm?
Why do we expect accuracy as our organisms energies attempt to transmit
"information" to another entities "generally" similar system of
thought organization?

And do we expect anything universally "right-on" knowing that
these formations are probably not accurately transposed from largely
"energy- interplay" to an entirely archaic system of visually sensed
"letter and number symbols; frozen notations?"
Are these lines and dashes we have developed thoroughly depicting our
electric, fractionalized, dancing, inner interplay?
We sure seem to think so, and so, were ARE something special!

We are children of the universe in child's play. We are proud. We
know because we think we know. Our thoughts are OUR thoughts. BUT, they
may not be the thought or thoughts of another being in time-space with
substantially dissimilar interpretations of imaginary form.

There may well be, a being, able to communicate synergistically laden
words and concepts against other synergistically propelled concepts
easily, but it is not us.
Our colored ideas smear into grey quickly as we ascribe confidence to
them.

Tear off the lens of the eye and the forms we have labeled so
confidently cease to be perceived. There is only bright light. In such
a reality the stars were never there to discuss or measure if there was
no mechanism constructed to witness them. The ideas of infinity, of
flight, of color would not exist; to us.

If there is purpose for our discussions, if there is sensible humane
benefit potential present in them, then we must continue with what
skills we have. If there is no perceivable purpose then we might well
discuss, with our god-like skill, another venture.

Five pounds of flax.
--
"O Sybilli, si ergo
Fortibus es in ero
O Nobili! Themis trux
Sivat sinem? Causen Dux"
.


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