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"johac" |
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08 Oct 2006 02:27:23 AM |
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Dobson: Foley scandal "...a joke and a prank.." |
The religious right joins the wagon circle around the pedophile.
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Echoing Drudge and Savage, Dobson and Henninger claimed Foley scandal is
"sort of a joke" and a "prank[ ]" by pages
Summary: James Dobson and Daniel Henninger both echoed a claim
previously made by Matt Drudge and Michael Savage that the sexually
explicit communications that Rep. Mark Foley allegedly engaged in with
former congressional pages were "sort of a joke" or a "prank[]" on the
part of the former pages.
Commenting on the congressional page scandal surrounding former Rep.
Mark Foley (R-FL) on the October 6 broadcast of Focus on the Family,
James Dobson, founder and chairman of Focus on the Family, declared that
the Foley affair has "turned out to be what some people are now saying
was a -- sort of a joke by the boy and some of the other pages" who had
reportedly come forward with sexually explicit instant messages that
Foley allegedly sent. Similarly, in his October 6 column, Wall Street
Journal deputy editorial page editor Daniel Henninger wrote that "a
rumor emerged that in fact Mark Foley had been pranked by the House
pages" and then added: "It is the first plausible thing I've heard in
seven days." Media Matters for America recently noted that in defense of
Foley's alleged actions, Internet gossip Matt Drudge and nationally
syndicated radio host Michael Savage also attempted to shift the blame
to the former pages who communicated with the former congressman. On his
website, Drudge has elaborated on his suggestion that at least one of
the former pages was complicit.
On Focus on the Family, Dobson was responding to a New York Times column
by Paul Krugman, in which Krugman wondered how Dobson would respond to
the Foley scandal given Dobson's earlier criticism of former President
Bill Clinton for his affair with Monica Lewinsky. From Krugman's column
(subscription required):
It will be interesting, by the way, to see how Dr. Dobson, who
declared of Bill Clinton that "no man has ever done more to debase the
presidency," responds to the Foley scandal. Does the failure of
Republican leaders to do anything about a sexual predator in their midst
outrage him as much as a Democratic president's consensual affair?
In response, Dobson again criticized Clinton and then suggested that the
sexually explicit instant messages allegedly sent by Foley to underage
male pages were the result of "sort of a joke":
DOBSON: We condemn the Foley affair categorically, and we also
believe that what Mr. Clinton did was one of the most embarrassing and
wicked things ever done by a president in power. Let me remind you, sir,
that it was not just James Dobson who found the Lewinsky affair
reprehensible. More than 140 newspapers called for Clinton's
resignation. But the president didn't do what Mr. Foley has done in
leaving. He stayed in office, and he lied to the grand jury to obscure
the facts. As it turns out, Mr. Foley has had illicit sex with no one
that we know of, and the whole thing turned out to be what some people
are now saying was a -- sort of a joke by the boy and some of the other
pages.
Henninger's column also picked up the rumor that Foley's purported
victims were to blame, calling it "the first plausible thing I've heard
in seven days." He also suggested that there is a "scale" of
homosexuality in which one end ultimately involves a "compulsive,
predatory sex offender":
We know when we're beaten. Bowing to the gods of the news cycle, let
us undertake the great questions of the moment. Where does post-modern
American ethics place Mark Foley's homosexuality on a scale of 1 to 10
-- a 1 being just another gay guy and a 10 being a compulsive, predatory
sex offender? What might fall in between seems to have confused Denny
Hastert, two newspapers, one TV network and the FBI. In the event, Mr.
Hastert, as the point man, is being driven from office for having
failed, in hindsight, to recognize the obvious.
[...]
By midafternoon yesterday, a rumor emerged that in fact Mark Foley
had been pranked by the House pages. It is the first plausible thing
I've heard in seven days. Four weeks from the election, I have an idea:
Let's fire the Members and replace them with the pages. We could do
worse. We are.
As Media Matters has noted, the claim that gay men are more likely than
straight men to sexually abuse children, which has been forwarded by
conservatives such as Family Research Council president Tony Perkins, is
false.
Stephen Jones, the attorney for the page who reportedly originally came
forward with explicit instant messages allegedly sent by Foley, told The
Oklahoman that the suggestion that his client's allegations are a prank
is "a piece of fiction," adding: "There is not any aspect of this matter
that is a practical joke nor should anyone treat it that way." An entry
on the ABC News weblog The Blotter also disputed Drudge's commentary:
An online story on the Drudge Report Thursday claimed one set of the
sexually explicit instant messages obtained by ABC News was part of a
"prank" on the part of the former page, who reportedly says he goaded
the congressman into writing the messages.
"This was no prank," said one of the three former pages who talked
to ABC News today about his experience with the congressman.
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http://mediamatters.org/items/200610060004
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08 Oct 2006 04:12:08 AM |
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In article <jhachmann-DA788E.00272308102006@news.giganews.com>,
johac <jhachmann@sbcglobal.com> wrote:
Echoing Drudge and Savage, Dobson and Henninger claimed Foley scandal is
"sort of a joke" and a "prank[ ]" by pages
To bad Foley didn't think of that angle when he had those e-mails handed
to him by ABC news. His immediate resignation kind of lends credence to
the reports, doesn't it?
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| Title: Re: Dobson: Foley scandal "...a joke and a prank.." |
08 Oct 2006 11:54:15 PM |
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In article <nemo0037-2E11D0.05120808102006@news.west.earthlink.net>,
*nemo* <nemo0037@earthlink.dieSPAM.net> wrote:
In article <jhachmann-DA788E.00272308102006@news.giganews.com>,
johac <jhachmann@sbcglobal.com> wrote:
Echoing Drudge and Savage, Dobson and Henninger claimed Foley scandal is
"sort of a joke" and a "prank[ ]" by pages
To bad Foley didn't think of that angle when he had those e-mails handed
to him by ABC news. His immediate resignation kind of lends credence to
the reports, doesn't it?
It does to me. I believe that the panic button has been pressed
--
John Hachmann aa #1782
"Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities"
-Voltaire
Contact - Throw a .net over the .com
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| User: "stoney" |
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10 Oct 2006 09:08:01 PM |
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On Sun, 08 Oct 2006 21:54:15 -0700, johac <jhachmann@sbcglobal.com>
wrote in alt.atheism
In article <nemo0037-2E11D0.05120808102006@news.west.earthlink.net>,
*nemo* <nemo0037@earthlink.dieSPAM.net> wrote:
In article <jhachmann-DA788E.00272308102006@news.giganews.com>,
johac <jhachmann@sbcglobal.com> wrote:
Echoing Drudge and Savage, Dobson and Henninger claimed Foley scandal is
"sort of a joke" and a "prank[ ]" by pages
To bad Foley didn't think of that angle when he had those e-mails handed
to him by ABC news. His immediate resignation kind of lends credence to
the reports, doesn't it?
It does to me. I believe that the panic button has been pressed
Via sledgehammer.
--
Fundies and trolls are cordially invited to
shove a wooden cross up their arses and rotate
at a high rate of speed. I trust you'll
be 'blessed' with a plethora of splinters.
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11 Oct 2006 12:35:43 AM |
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In article <kfkoi2di633o3a6ehjsa0mmrmfvsr3erph@4ax.com>,
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
On Sun, 08 Oct 2006 21:54:15 -0700, johac <jhachmann@sbcglobal.com>
wrote in alt.atheism
In article <nemo0037-2E11D0.05120808102006@news.west.earthlink.net>,
*nemo* <nemo0037@earthlink.dieSPAM.net> wrote:
In article <jhachmann-DA788E.00272308102006@news.giganews.com>,
johac <jhachmann@sbcglobal.com> wrote:
Echoing Drudge and Savage, Dobson and Henninger claimed Foley scandal is
"sort of a joke" and a "prank[ ]" by pages
To bad Foley didn't think of that angle when he had those e-mails handed
to him by ABC news. His immediate resignation kind of lends credence to
the reports, doesn't it?
It does to me. I believe that the panic button has been pressed
Via sledgehammer.
Now they're all performing the panic drill:
"When in trouble,
when in doubt,
run in circles,
scream and shout."
--
John Hachmann aa #1782
"Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities"
-Voltaire
Contact - Throw a .net over the .com
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| User: "stoney" |
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12 Oct 2006 12:35:48 PM |
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On Tue, 10 Oct 2006 22:35:43 -0700, johac <jhachmann@sbcglobal.com>
wrote in alt.atheism
In article <kfkoi2di633o3a6ehjsa0mmrmfvsr3erph@4ax.com>,
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
On Sun, 08 Oct 2006 21:54:15 -0700, johac <jhachmann@sbcglobal.com>
wrote in alt.atheism
In article <nemo0037-2E11D0.05120808102006@news.west.earthlink.net>,
*nemo* <nemo0037@earthlink.dieSPAM.net> wrote:
In article <jhachmann-DA788E.00272308102006@news.giganews.com>,
johac <jhachmann@sbcglobal.com> wrote:
Echoing Drudge and Savage, Dobson and Henninger claimed Foley scandal is
"sort of a joke" and a "prank[ ]" by pages
To bad Foley didn't think of that angle when he had those e-mails handed
to him by ABC news. His immediate resignation kind of lends credence to
the reports, doesn't it?
It does to me. I believe that the panic button has been pressed
Via sledgehammer.
Now they're all performing the panic drill:
"When in trouble,
when in doubt,
run in circles,
scream and shout."
Rethugnican Fire Drill®
--
Fundies and trolls are cordially invited to
shove a wooden cross up their arses and rotate
at a high rate of speed. I trust you'll
be 'blessed' with a plethora of splinters.
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11 Oct 2006 10:25:23 AM |
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On Tue, 10 Oct 2006 22:35:43 -0700, johac <jhachmann@sbcglobal.com>
wrote:
In article <kfkoi2di633o3a6ehjsa0mmrmfvsr3erph@4ax.com>,
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
On Sun, 08 Oct 2006 21:54:15 -0700, johac <jhachmann@sbcglobal.com>
wrote in alt.atheism
It does to me. I believe that the panic button has been pressed
Via sledgehammer.
Now they're all performing the panic drill:
I believe the name of the panic drill is Kim Jong-Il. Talk about
October "surprises". But why is no one surprised?
I wonder what other "threat to national security" is being held in the
wings if this one doesn't get our minds off Foley/Hastert. NK
actually launching a nuke? Win or "apocalypse now"? I don't think
the Rethugs would think anything of sacrificing a few million of
"those" people to assure that they didn't lose control of the country
- one way or the other.
--
rukbat at optonline dot net
"Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities"
- Voltaire (1694 - 1778)
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12 Oct 2006 12:01:13 AM |
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In article <1u2qi2p5j1g5lmloicar6s26msq3agadka@4ax.com>,
Al Klein <rukbat@pern.invalid> wrote:
On Tue, 10 Oct 2006 22:35:43 -0700, johac <jhachmann@sbcglobal.com>
wrote:
In article <kfkoi2di633o3a6ehjsa0mmrmfvsr3erph@4ax.com>,
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
On Sun, 08 Oct 2006 21:54:15 -0700, johac <jhachmann@sbcglobal.com>
wrote in alt.atheism
It does to me. I believe that the panic button has been pressed
Via sledgehammer.
Now they're all performing the panic drill:
I believe the name of the panic drill is Kim Jong-Il. Talk about
October "surprises". But why is no one surprised?
I'm not. The administration was practically daring him to do it all
along.
I wonder what other "threat to national security" is being held in the
wings if this one doesn't get our minds off Foley/Hastert. NK
actually launching a nuke? Win or "apocalypse now"? I don't think
the Rethugs would think anything of sacrificing a few million of
"those" people to assure that they didn't lose control of the country
- one way or the other.
Could be that. Then there is this carrier battle group steaming full
speed ahead for the Persian Gulf. It is due to arrive there on or about
Oct. 21. Are they going to throw a little surprise party for Ahmadinejad
just in time for the election?
--
John Hachmann aa #1782
"Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities"
-Voltaire
Contact - Throw a .net over the .com
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12 Oct 2006 11:15:20 AM |
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On Wed, 11 Oct 2006 22:01:13 -0700, johac <jhachmann@sbcglobal.com>
wrote:
Could be that. Then there is this carrier battle group steaming full
speed ahead for the Persian Gulf. It is due to arrive there on or about
Oct. 21. Are they going to throw a little surprise party for Ahmadinejad
just in time for the election?
A "Polish invasion" kind of surprise?
"But he hit me back first!"
--
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one to the effect that religious opinions should be respected.
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13 Oct 2006 12:34:19 AM |
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In article <bfqsi2lni5l491ef39h5pvsraofllb05a8@4ax.com>,
Al Klein <rukbat@pern.invalid> wrote:
On Wed, 11 Oct 2006 22:01:13 -0700, johac <jhachmann@sbcglobal.com>
wrote:
Could be that. Then there is this carrier battle group steaming full
speed ahead for the Persian Gulf. It is due to arrive there on or about
Oct. 21. Are they going to throw a little surprise party for Ahmadinejad
just in time for the election?
A "Polish invasion" kind of surprise?
"But he hit me back first!"
Yep. Or "Enemy torpedo boats have fired on our ships in the gulf." Has a
familiar ring, doesn't it?
--
John Hachmann aa #1782
"Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities"
-Voltaire
Contact - Throw a .net over the .com
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| User: "stoney" |
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14 Oct 2006 03:43:34 PM |
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On Thu, 12 Oct 2006 22:34:19 -0700, johac <jhachmann@sbcglobal.com>
wrote in alt.atheism
In article <bfqsi2lni5l491ef39h5pvsraofllb05a8@4ax.com>,
Al Klein <rukbat@pern.invalid> wrote:
On Wed, 11 Oct 2006 22:01:13 -0700, johac <jhachmann@sbcglobal.com>
wrote:
Could be that. Then there is this carrier battle group steaming full
speed ahead for the Persian Gulf. It is due to arrive there on or about
Oct. 21. Are they going to throw a little surprise party for Ahmadinejad
just in time for the election?
A "Polish invasion" kind of surprise?
"But he hit me back first!"
Yep. Or "Enemy torpedo boats have fired on our ships in the gulf." Has a
familiar ring, doesn't it?
Mai Lai.
--
Fundies and trolls are cordially invited to
shove a wooden cross up their arses and rotate
at a high rate of speed. I trust you'll
be 'blessed' with a plethora of splinters.
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15 Oct 2006 12:07:13 AM |
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In article <evi2j258n0u5pp4qqg86vl14kijsuhku2e@4ax.com>,
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
On Thu, 12 Oct 2006 22:34:19 -0700, johac <jhachmann@sbcglobal.com>
wrote in alt.atheism
In article <bfqsi2lni5l491ef39h5pvsraofllb05a8@4ax.com>,
Al Klein <rukbat@pern.invalid> wrote:
On Wed, 11 Oct 2006 22:01:13 -0700, johac <jhachmann@sbcglobal.com>
wrote:
Could be that. Then there is this carrier battle group steaming full
speed ahead for the Persian Gulf. It is due to arrive there on or about
Oct. 21. Are they going to throw a little surprise party for Ahmadinejad
just in time for the election?
A "Polish invasion" kind of surprise?
"But he hit me back first!"
Yep. Or "Enemy torpedo boats have fired on our ships in the gulf." Has a
familiar ring, doesn't it?
Mai Lai.
"The light at the end of the tunnel."
--
John Hachmann aa #1782
"Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities"
-Voltaire
Contact - Throw a .net over the .com
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15 Oct 2006 12:25:01 PM |
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On Sat, 14 Oct 2006 22:07:13 -0700, johac <jhachmann@sbcglobal.com>
wrote in alt.atheism
In article <evi2j258n0u5pp4qqg86vl14kijsuhku2e@4ax.com>,
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
On Thu, 12 Oct 2006 22:34:19 -0700, johac <jhachmann@sbcglobal.com>
wrote in alt.atheism
In article <bfqsi2lni5l491ef39h5pvsraofllb05a8@4ax.com>,
Al Klein <rukbat@pern.invalid> wrote:
On Wed, 11 Oct 2006 22:01:13 -0700, johac <jhachmann@sbcglobal.com>
wrote:
Could be that. Then there is this carrier battle group steaming full
speed ahead for the Persian Gulf. It is due to arrive there on or about
Oct. 21. Are they going to throw a little surprise party for Ahmadinejad
just in time for the election?
A "Polish invasion" kind of surprise?
"But he hit me back first!"
Yep. Or "Enemy torpedo boats have fired on our ships in the gulf." Has a
familiar ring, doesn't it?
Mai Lai.
"The light at the end of the tunnel."
Molotov, you make one helluva cocktail.
--
Fundies and trolls are cordially invited to
shove a wooden cross up their arses and rotate
at a high rate of speed. I trust you'll
be 'blessed' with a plethora of splinters.
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16 Oct 2006 12:37:54 AM |
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In article <omr4j2diuhbp169bhb3nu69b3at7hpgtop@4ax.com>,
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
On Sat, 14 Oct 2006 22:07:13 -0700, johac <jhachmann@sbcglobal.com>
wrote in alt.atheism
In article <evi2j258n0u5pp4qqg86vl14kijsuhku2e@4ax.com>,
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
On Thu, 12 Oct 2006 22:34:19 -0700, johac <jhachmann@sbcglobal.com>
wrote in alt.atheism
In article <bfqsi2lni5l491ef39h5pvsraofllb05a8@4ax.com>,
Al Klein <rukbat@pern.invalid> wrote:
On Wed, 11 Oct 2006 22:01:13 -0700, johac <jhachmann@sbcglobal.com>
wrote:
Could be that. Then there is this carrier battle group steaming full
speed ahead for the Persian Gulf. It is due to arrive there on or
about
Oct. 21. Are they going to throw a little surprise party for
Ahmadinejad
just in time for the election?
A "Polish invasion" kind of surprise?
"But he hit me back first!"
Yep. Or "Enemy torpedo boats have fired on our ships in the gulf." Has a
familiar ring, doesn't it?
Mai Lai.
"The light at the end of the tunnel."
Molotov, you make one helluva cocktail.
Cheers! Could you toss another one over here?
And then there's the infamous: "We had to destroy the village in order
to save it."
--
John Hachmann aa #1782
"Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities"
-Voltaire
Contact - Throw a .net over the .com
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18 Oct 2006 10:37:39 AM |
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On Sun, 15 Oct 2006 22:37:54 -0700, johac <jhachmann@sbcglobal.com>
wrote in alt.atheism
In article <omr4j2diuhbp169bhb3nu69b3at7hpgtop@4ax.com>,
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
On Sat, 14 Oct 2006 22:07:13 -0700, johac <jhachmann@sbcglobal.com>
wrote in alt.atheism
In article <evi2j258n0u5pp4qqg86vl14kijsuhku2e@4ax.com>,
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
On Thu, 12 Oct 2006 22:34:19 -0700, johac <jhachmann@sbcglobal.com>
wrote in alt.atheism
In article <bfqsi2lni5l491ef39h5pvsraofllb05a8@4ax.com>,
Al Klein <rukbat@pern.invalid> wrote:
On Wed, 11 Oct 2006 22:01:13 -0700, johac <jhachmann@sbcglobal.com>
wrote:
Could be that. Then there is this carrier battle group steaming full
speed ahead for the Persian Gulf. It is due to arrive there on or
about
Oct. 21. Are they going to throw a little surprise party for
Ahmadinejad
just in time for the election?
A "Polish invasion" kind of surprise?
"But he hit me back first!"
Yep. Or "Enemy torpedo boats have fired on our ships in the gulf." Has a
familiar ring, doesn't it?
Mai Lai.
"The light at the end of the tunnel."
Molotov, you make one helluva cocktail.
Cheers! Could you toss another one over here?
Sure. Catch!
And then there's the infamous: "We had to destroy the village in order
to save it."
Followed by the bumper sticker; "Rally to Lt. Calley's defense."
--
Fundies and trolls are cordially invited to
shove a wooden cross up their arses and rotate
at a high rate of speed. I trust you'll
be 'blessed' with a plethora of splinters.
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16 Oct 2006 10:44:47 AM |
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On Sun, 15 Oct 2006 22:37:54 -0700, johac <jhachmann@sbcglobal.com>
wrote:
And then there's the infamous: "We had to destroy the village in order
to save it."
In Iraq it's, "We have to destroy their country to save it" and "We
have to kill them to free them". Is Orwell Bush's speech writer?
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16 Oct 2006 11:34:28 PM |
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In article <h5a7j2d07pc413m6andgpcp1oha14bc13n@4ax.com>,
Al Klein <rukbat@pern.invalid> wrote:
On Sun, 15 Oct 2006 22:37:54 -0700, johac <jhachmann@sbcglobal.com>
wrote:
And then there's the infamous: "We had to destroy the village in order
to save it."
In Iraq it's, "We have to destroy their country to save it" and "We
have to kill them to free them". Is Orwell Bush's speech writer?
Sure sounds like it. Sometimes I think that they get their policies
right out of "1984" too. Other times I'm sure of it.
--
John Hachmann aa #1782
"Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities"
-Voltaire
Contact - Throw a .net over the .com
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18 Oct 2006 10:39:24 AM |
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On Mon, 16 Oct 2006 21:34:28 -0700, johac <jhachmann@sbcglobal.com>
wrote in alt.atheism
In article <h5a7j2d07pc413m6andgpcp1oha14bc13n@4ax.com>,
Al Klein <rukbat@pern.invalid> wrote:
On Sun, 15 Oct 2006 22:37:54 -0700, johac <jhachmann@sbcglobal.com>
wrote:
And then there's the infamous: "We had to destroy the village in order
to save it."
In Iraq it's, "We have to destroy their country to save it" and "We
have to kill them to free them". Is Orwell Bush's speech writer?
Sure sounds like it. Sometimes I think that they get their policies
right out of "1984" too. Other times I'm sure of it.
And from "IBM and the Holocaust" by Conrad Black.
Mad Magazine gets an honourable mention.
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On Wed, 18 Oct 2006 08:39:24 -0700, stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
On Mon, 16 Oct 2006 21:34:28 -0700, johac <jhachmann@sbcglobal.com>
wrote in alt.atheism
Sure sounds like it. Sometimes I think that they get their policies
right out of "1984" too. Other times I'm sure of it.
And from "IBM and the Holocaust" by Conrad Black.
Mad Magazine gets an honourable mention.
For the cover with Alfred E. Bush on it especially.
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19 Oct 2006 01:07:39 PM |
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On Wed, 18 Oct 2006 18:08:21 -0400, Al Klein <rukbat@pern.invalid> wrote
in alt.atheism
On Wed, 18 Oct 2006 08:39:24 -0700, stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
On Mon, 16 Oct 2006 21:34:28 -0700, johac <jhachmann@sbcglobal.com>
wrote in alt.atheism
Sure sounds like it. Sometimes I think that they get their policies
right out of "1984" too. Other times I'm sure of it.
And from "IBM and the Holocaust" by Conrad Black.
Mad Magazine gets an honourable mention.
For the cover with Alfred E. Bush on it especially.
Certes.
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18 Oct 2006 10:38:12 AM |
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On Mon, 16 Oct 2006 11:44:47 -0400, Al Klein <rukbat@pern.invalid> wrote
in alt.atheism
On Sun, 15 Oct 2006 22:37:54 -0700, johac <jhachmann@sbcglobal.com>
wrote:
And then there's the infamous: "We had to destroy the village in order
to save it."
In Iraq it's, "We have to destroy their country to save it" and "We
have to kill them to free them". Is Orwell Bush's speech writer?
Joseph Goebbels.
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15 Oct 2006 01:29:34 PM |
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On Sat, 14 Oct 2006 22:07:13 -0700, johac <jhachmann@sbcglobal.com>
wrote:
In article <evi2j258n0u5pp4qqg86vl14kijsuhku2e@4ax.com>,
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
Mai Lai.
"The light at the end of the tunnel."
is a train bearing down on us.
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16 Oct 2006 12:35:56 AM |
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In article <ofv4j215077bu2t4lf42ildi1rt7efc31i@4ax.com>,
Al Klein <rukbat@pern.invalid> wrote:
On Sat, 14 Oct 2006 22:07:13 -0700, johac <jhachmann@sbcglobal.com>
wrote:
In article <evi2j258n0u5pp4qqg86vl14kijsuhku2e@4ax.com>,
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
Mai Lai.
"The light at the end of the tunnel."
is a train bearing down on us.
And it's a hundred car freight that lost its brakes.
--
John Hachmann aa #1782
"Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities"
-Voltaire
Contact - Throw a .net over the .com
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18 Oct 2006 10:40:10 AM |
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On Sun, 15 Oct 2006 22:35:56 -0700, johac <jhachmann@sbcglobal.com>
wrote in alt.atheism
In article <ofv4j215077bu2t4lf42ildi1rt7efc31i@4ax.com>,
Al Klein <rukbat@pern.invalid> wrote:
On Sat, 14 Oct 2006 22:07:13 -0700, johac <jhachmann@sbcglobal.com>
wrote:
In article <evi2j258n0u5pp4qqg86vl14kijsuhku2e@4ax.com>,
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
Mai Lai.
"The light at the end of the tunnel."
is a train bearing down on us.
And it's a hundred car freight that lost its brakes.
hurtling down a 7% grade.
--
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at a high rate of speed. I trust you'll
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| User: "OK" |
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26 Oct 2006 12:34:49 AM |
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johac wrote:
In article <evi2j258n0u5pp4qqg86vl14kijsuhku2e@4ax.com>,
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
On Thu, 12 Oct 2006 22:34:19 -0700, johac <jhachmann@sbcglobal.com>
wrote in alt.atheism
In article <bfqsi2lni5l491ef39h5pvsraofllb05a8@4ax.com>,
Al Klein <rukbat@pern.invalid> wrote:
On Wed, 11 Oct 2006 22:01:13 -0700, johac <jhachmann@sbcglobal.com>
wrote:
Could be that. Then there is this carrier battle group steaming full
speed ahead for the Persian Gulf. It is due to arrive there on or about
Oct. 21. Are they going to throw a little surprise party for Ahmadinejad
just in time for the election?
what's the story on this today?
A "Polish invasion" kind of surprise?
"But he hit me back first!"
Yep. Or "Enemy torpedo boats have fired on our ships in the gulf." Has a
familiar ring, doesn't it?
Mai Lai.
were you alive then?
"The light at the end of the tunnel."
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12 Oct 2006 12:36:19 PM |
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On Wed, 11 Oct 2006 11:25:23 -0400, Al Klein <rukbat@pern.invalid> wrote
in alt.atheism
On Tue, 10 Oct 2006 22:35:43 -0700, johac <jhachmann@sbcglobal.com>
wrote:
In article <kfkoi2di633o3a6ehjsa0mmrmfvsr3erph@4ax.com>,
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
On Sun, 08 Oct 2006 21:54:15 -0700, johac <jhachmann@sbcglobal.com>
wrote in alt.atheism
It does to me. I believe that the panic button has been pressed
Via sledgehammer.
Now they're all performing the panic drill:
I believe the name of the panic drill is Kim Jong-Il. Talk about
October "surprises". But why is no one surprised?
I wonder what other "threat to national security" is being held in the
wings if this one doesn't get our minds off Foley/Hastert. NK
actually launching a nuke? Win or "apocalypse now"? I don't think
the Rethugs would think anything of sacrificing a few million of
"those" people to assure that they didn't lose control of the country
- one way or the other.
Or ours.
--
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shove a wooden cross up their arses and rotate
at a high rate of speed. I trust you'll
be 'blessed' with a plethora of splinters.
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12 Oct 2006 02:38:25 PM |
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On Thu, 12 Oct 2006 10:36:19 -0700, stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
On Wed, 11 Oct 2006 11:25:23 -0400, Al Klein <rukbat@pern.invalid> wrote
in alt.atheism
On Tue, 10 Oct 2006 22:35:43 -0700, johac <jhachmann@sbcglobal.com>
wrote:
In article <kfkoi2di633o3a6ehjsa0mmrmfvsr3erph@4ax.com>,
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
On Sun, 08 Oct 2006 21:54:15 -0700, johac <jhachmann@sbcglobal.com>
wrote in alt.atheism
It does to me. I believe that the panic button has been pressed
Via sledgehammer.
Now they're all performing the panic drill:
I believe the name of the panic drill is Kim Jong-Il. Talk about
October "surprises". But why is no one surprised?
I wonder what other "threat to national security" is being held in the
wings if this one doesn't get our minds off Foley/Hastert. NK
actually launching a nuke? Win or "apocalypse now"? I don't think
the Rethugs would think anything of sacrificing a few million of
"those" people to assure that they didn't lose control of the country
- one way or the other.
Or ours.
In today's paper - they'll consider sanctions an act of war. And
Putsch can't back down on sanctions without throwing the presidency
away.
I like fish, but not in this kettle.
--
rukbat at optonline dot net
"I am a deeply religious nonbeliever.... This is a somewhat new kind of religion."
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13 Oct 2006 01:46:28 PM |
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On Thu, 12 Oct 2006 15:38:25 -0400, Al Klein <rukbat@pern.invalid> wrote
in alt.atheism
On Thu, 12 Oct 2006 10:36:19 -0700, stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
On Wed, 11 Oct 2006 11:25:23 -0400, Al Klein <rukbat@pern.invalid> wrote
in alt.atheism
On Tue, 10 Oct 2006 22:35:43 -0700, johac <jhachmann@sbcglobal.com>
wrote:
In article <kfkoi2di633o3a6ehjsa0mmrmfvsr3erph@4ax.com>,
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
On Sun, 08 Oct 2006 21:54:15 -0700, johac <jhachmann@sbcglobal.com>
wrote in alt.atheism
It does to me. I believe that the panic button has been pressed
Via sledgehammer.
Now they're all performing the panic drill:
I believe the name of the panic drill is Kim Jong-Il. Talk about
October "surprises". But why is no one surprised?
I wonder what other "threat to national security" is being held in the
wings if this one doesn't get our minds off Foley/Hastert. NK
actually launching a nuke? Win or "apocalypse now"? I don't think
the Rethugs would think anything of sacrificing a few million of
"those" people to assure that they didn't lose control of the country
- one way or the other.
Or ours.
In today's paper - they'll consider sanctions an act of war. And
Putsch can't back down on sanctions without throwing the presidency
away.
He both can back down and will. He's done, unless he declares maritial
law and suspends elections "for the duration." As for his party,
well, the Rethugnican dirty tricks department's working overtime.
I like fish, but not in this kettle.
I haven't liked this 'kettle' since Shrub first got the appointment.
It's the mindless, spineless, dingleberry's own fault. At darn near
all, if not all, points the cretin's made wrong decisions and has kept
digging a deeper hole rather than the prudent and smart course.
--
Fundies and trolls are cordially invited to
shove a wooden cross up their arses and rotate
at a high rate of speed. I trust you'll
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13 Oct 2006 04:32:17 PM |
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On Fri, 13 Oct 2006 11:46:28 -0700, stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
I haven't liked this 'kettle' since Shrub first got the appointment.
It's the mindless, spineless, dingleberry's own fault. At darn near
all, if not all, points the cretin's made wrong decisions and has kept
digging a deeper hole rather than the prudent and smart course.
Have you read about his life? He's been doing that about since the
moment Barbara found out she was pregnant. What has he touched that
hasn't been an abject failure, except being governor of a state of
people almost all of whom are just like him, and he didn't do too well
at that job either.
--
rukbat at optonline dot net
"A casual stroll through the lunatic asylum shows that faith does not prove anything."
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14 Oct 2006 03:47:52 PM |
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On Fri, 13 Oct 2006 17:32:17 -0400, Al Klein <rukbat@pern.invalid> wrote
in alt.atheism
On Fri, 13 Oct 2006 11:46:28 -0700, stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
I haven't liked this 'kettle' since Shrub first got the appointment.
It's the mindless, spineless, dingleberry's own fault. At darn near
all, if not all, points the cretin's made wrong decisions and has kept
digging a deeper hole rather than the prudent and smart course.
Have you read about his life? He's been doing that about since the
moment Barbara found out she was pregnant. What has he touched that
hasn't been an abject failure, except being governor of a state of
people almost all of whom are just like him, and he didn't do too well
at that job either.
For the most part just stuff which has come across here. I'm not
surprised he turned out as he did with the monsterous ***** that whelped
him.
--
Fundies and trolls are cordially invited to
shove a wooden cross up their arses and rotate
at a high rate of speed. I trust you'll
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14 Oct 2006 09:46:32 PM |
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On Sat, 14 Oct 2006 13:47:52 -0700, stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
For the most part just stuff which has come across here. I'm not
surprised he turned out as he did with the monsterous ***** that whelped
him.
I think it was more Daddy's constantly telling him what a waste he
was, and how Daddy always had to bail him out of everything - a
deadly combination. Feeling worthless and no sense of responsibility.
--
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soul's place in hell, so yours could go to Heaven. Don't hold your breath."
- John Popelish
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