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"Bill M" |
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22 Feb 2007 01:15:02 PM |
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DOES ANY GOD EXIST |
There is NO OBJECTIVE VERIFIABLE EVIDENCE that any real gods actually exist.
There is even stronger evidence that NO GODS exist
except in the imaginations of man.
The god believers claim that god created the world and everything in it. He
is all loving, all caring and all powerful creator of man in his image.
Because the world is so magnificent and complex it had to have a creator. By
this same logic, god has to be even more powerful and complex and would have
to have a creator. Complexity in no way is proof or evidence of a god
creator it is only evidence of complexity.
Supposedly man after he dies lives on in gods eternal heaven in eternal
happiness.
If this is true, why did he create so much sin and punishment on Earth? Why
did he create Hell? Why not create a world with men that are motivated to be
all caring and loving beings, just like him, with no desire to be selfish,
greedy and mean?
Religious fanatics claim that man has chosen to be evil because of his 'free
will'. This is totally specious. 'Free will' does not imply or require the
existence of evil conduct.
free will n. 1. The ability or discretion to choose; free choice: chose to
remain behind of my own free will. 2. The power, attributed especially to
human beings, of making free choices that are unconstrained by external
circumstances or by an agency such as fate or divine will.
A good benevolent god could have created man as a loving caring creature
with free will but without any desire or ability to commit evil.
He already created other limitations on man's 'free will'.
He created hunger pains to force man to eat and drink, suffocation panic to
force man to breathe, and a powerful sex drive to force man to procreate.
(Frequently in excess of mans ability to feed and care for his creations!)
Why create greed and selfishness which encourages man to steel, lie,
subjugate and even kill other men?
This is supposedly to keep man in line and force him to follow god's wishes
and commands. This is characteristic of a dictator and slave master not the
characteristics of a loving god.
Why does this all powerful creator, all loving and caring intelligent
designer, create Plagues, Tsunamis, Tornadoes, Volcanic Eruptions, Floods,
Wars, Earth Quakes, Cancers and hundreds of debilitating diseases and
serious body malfunctions? There are 12,000 known diseases that affect and
punish mankind indiscriminately. Why does he permit millions of both young
and old to starve to death or die of miserable diseases? Why punish millions
of INNOCENT CHILDREN in this horrible way?
Why does this all powerful and caring god permit totally "innocent children"
to die at birth? Or worse, be born lacking eyesight, a fully developed
brain, deaf and dumb, missing limbs etc.? Why are some born idiots and
others with super intelligence? Why are some born into wealth and others
pauper poor? Why are his human creations designed to deteriorate into a
miserable and devastating old age regardless of their religious affiliation?
God supposedly created the world like it is to punish man for Adam and Eve's
'original sin'. Why does he also punish supposedly innocent animals with
thousands of diseases, birth defects, starvation and to be eaten alive by
other animals?
Why did this all powerful and loving creator create things like sharks,
jelly fish, octopus, lions, tigers, rhinoceros, Wolves, poisonous snakes,
stinging and poisonous insects, poisonous plants etc.? Why did this caring
benevolent god create animals (including man) that need to painfully kill
and eat other animals to survive?
World War I claimed 9,000,000 lives of people of many religious faiths.
World II indiscriminately claimed over 20,000,000 lives of people of all
ages and religious faiths, plus a vast destruction of property and more
millions maimed for life.
The recent Asian Tsunami has claimed the lives of 200,000 men, women and
children of all religious persuasions. Over 100,000 of these were totally
INNOCENT children!
There were three major epidemics of the Bubonic Plaque - in the 6th, 14th.
and 17th centuries. The death toll was over 137 million men, women and
totally innocent children.
The influenza of 1918-1919 killed at least 25 million men, women and
innocent children indiscriminately.
Diseases like malaria, AIDS, tuberculosis, etc. maim and kill millions
indiscriminately every year. More millions die of starvation and
malnutrition.
These indiscriminately afflicted the young and old, atheists and those of
all religious persuasions.
Meanwhile MAN, not god, has developed defenses and cures for hundreds of
serious diseases. Man has learned to create shelter, heat and cooling,
purify water, world wide electronic communications, power and transportation
systems including flying through the air.
Man has created a wonderful medical and drug system and improved housing and
food production. The result of MAN'S inventiveness has
DOUBLED the average life span. None this was created by any gods.
Perhaps your loving and caring god is actually a cruel, heartless, mean and
torturing tyrant. If he treats us so cruelly during life, why do you think
he will let us enjoy peace and eternal happiness in his Heaven? And why does
he keep all this a secret by preventing communication with our dead parents,
siblings and friends? (Or this god?)
There are thousands of religious and god beliefs but NO OBJECTIVE VERIFIABLE
EVIDENCE for the actual existence of ANY of these gods. ALL god beliefs are
based on the unsubstantiated 'opinions' of errant men.
If there is a god that created the Universe, he is obviously not an
all-caring and benevolent god. Nor is he an "Intelligent Designer". The
objective evidence is if there is a god creator, he has NO concern about the
welfare of the creatures on Earth.
The objective evidence is that no gods created man but quite the opposite;
that man created gods!
I challenge god believers to supply ANY objective verifiable evidence that
their god actually exists except
in their over active imaginations.
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| User: "Pastor Frank" |
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| Title: Re: DOES ANY GOD EXIST |
23 Feb 2007 02:11:42 AM |
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"Bill M" <wmech@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
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There is NO OBJECTIVE VERIFIABLE EVIDENCE that any real gods actually
exist. There is even stronger evidence that NO GODS exist
except in the imaginations of man.
I got a bunch of existing gods for sale, ...some valuable and ancient
pieces of art. Make me an offer.
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| User: "ShellStockTrader" |
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23 Feb 2007 03:23:04 PM |
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"Pastor Frank" <PF@christfirst.edu> wrote in message
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"Bill M" <wmech@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
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There is NO OBJECTIVE VERIFIABLE EVIDENCE that any real gods actually
exist. There is even stronger evidence that NO GODS exist
except in the imaginations of man.
I got a bunch of existing gods for sale, ...some valuable and ancient
pieces of art. Make me an offer.
Not after you had your ***** in them.
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| User: "Mistylien" |
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26 Feb 2007 01:54:55 AM |
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"Pastor Frank" <PF@christfirst.edu> wrote in message
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"Bill M" <wmech@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
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There is NO OBJECTIVE VERIFIABLE EVIDENCE that any real gods actually exist. There is even
stronger evidence that NO GODS exist
except in the imaginations of man.
I got a bunch of existing gods for sale, ...some valuable and ancient pieces of art. Make
me an offer.
We do not what your created gods.
WE WANT THE CREATOR LORD GOD.
M,
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| User: "Pastor Frank" |
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06 Mar 2007 11:00:24 PM |
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"Mistylien" <yardholler@charter.net> wrote in message
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"Pastor Frank" <PF@christfirst.edu> wrote in message
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"Bill M" <wmech@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
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There is NO OBJECTIVE VERIFIABLE EVIDENCE that any real gods actually
exist. There is even stronger evidence that NO GODS exist
except in the imaginations of man.
I got a bunch of existing gods for sale, ...some valuable and ancient
pieces of art. Make me an offer.
We do not what your created gods.
WE WANT THE CREATOR LORD GOD.
Who are "we"? Are you now talking for atheists or theists? Atheists
think God is "a creature" of man's imagination which doesn't exist, and I
tell them that there are existing gods aplenty.
We Christians however not only "WANT", but already have THE CREATOR LORD
GOD in us and working through us.
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| User: "Dubh Ghall" |
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08 Mar 2007 04:41:45 PM |
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On Wed, 7 Mar 2007 13:00:24 +0800, "Pastor Frank" <PF@christfirst.edu>
wrote:
"Mistylien" <yardholler@charter.net> wrote in message
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"Pastor Frank" <PF@christfirst.edu> wrote in message
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"Bill M" <wmech@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
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There is NO OBJECTIVE VERIFIABLE EVIDENCE that any real gods actually
exist. There is even stronger evidence that NO GODS exist
except in the imaginations of man.
I got a bunch of existing gods for sale, ...some valuable and ancient
pieces of art. Make me an offer.
We do not what your created gods.
WE WANT THE CREATOR LORD GOD.
Who are "we"? Are you now talking for atheists or theists? Atheists
think God is "a creature" of man's imagination which doesn't exist, and I
tell them that there are existing gods aplenty.
We Christians however not only "WANT", but already have THE CREATOR LORD
GOD in us and working through us.
I've tried, and I've tried, but I just cannot find where the bible
says, "Blessed are the self righteous".
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| User: "Al Klein" |
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08 Mar 2007 08:07:26 PM |
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On Thu, 08 Mar 2007 22:41:45 GMT, Dubh Ghall <puck@pooks.hill.fey>
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I've tried, and I've tried, but I just cannot find where the bible
says, "Blessed are the self righteous".
That has nothing to do with the Bible, it's part of Christianity -
which is about as far from the Bible as you can get.
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| User: "Darrell Stec" |
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23 Feb 2007 01:55:24 PM |
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After serious contemplation, on or about Friday 23 February 2007 3:11 am
Pastor Frank perhaps from wrote:
"Bill M" <wmech@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
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There is NO OBJECTIVE VERIFIABLE EVIDENCE that any real gods actually
exist. There is even stronger evidence that NO GODS exist
except in the imaginations of man.
I got a bunch of existing gods for sale, ...some valuable and
ancient
pieces of art. Make me an offer.
Pictures and provenance please.
--
Later,
Darrell Stec
Webpage Sorcery
http://webpagesorcery.com
We Put the Magic in Your Webpages
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| User: "Jeckyl" |
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22 Feb 2007 06:51:38 PM |
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"Bill M" <wmech@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
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There is NO OBJECTIVE VERIFIABLE EVIDENCE that any real gods actually
exist.
Yes
There is even stronger evidence that NO GODS exist
So the no-evidence that gods exists isn't as strong as the no-evidence that
they don't
The god believers claim that god created the world and everything in it.
He is all loving, all caring and all powerful creator of man in his image.
That's one idea of a god. All one can really show is that he isn't very
prolific in showing those things.
Because the world is so magnificent and complex it had to have a creator.
That's pretty much what ID says, and it is of course nosense. But that is
not necessarily what 'god' means.
Complexity in no way is proof or evidence of a god creator it is only
evidence of complexity.
Spot on !
Of course, its not evidence that god doesn't exist, just that epople who
argue that way are wrong.
Supposedly man after he dies lives on in gods eternal heaven in eternal
happiness.
If this is true, why did he create so much sin and punishment on Earth?
An interesting question ... perhaps because if he didn't, then there
wouldn't be much to look forward to in heaven. But that question is not
proof or evidence.
Why not create a world with men that are motivated to be all caring and
loving beings, just like him, with no desire to be selfish, greedy and
mean?
(starts singing 'Imagine')
Religious fanatics claim that man has chosen to be evil because of his
'free will'. This is totally specious.
'Free will' does not imply or require the existence of evil conduct.
I've not seen anyone claim that it does. The claims the man choses to be
evil does not mean that evil exists because of free will, or that there
would be no free will if there wasn't evil. That is nota logical conclusion
for you to make from the claims. The religious say that free will allows us
to choose to be evil or not. They also don't claim that free will is
limited to the choice between good and evil. However, the religious claim
DOES require that there are alternatives that can be described as evil or
non-evil (or sin vs not-sin) .. of course, then the question arises as to
how that decision about what is 'evil' is made.
[snip lots of examples of evil and suffering etc, and questions about why
god would do things]
Perhaps your loving and caring god is actually a cruel, heartless, mean
and torturing tyrant.
If so, then he still exists. Hes just not got the qualities we'd like to
see.
There are thousands of religious and god beliefs but NO OBJECTIVE
VERIFIABLE EVIDENCE for the actual existence of ANY of these gods. ALL god
beliefs are based on the unsubstantiated 'opinions' of errant men.
Yes.
If there is a god that created the Universe, he is obviously not an
all-caring and benevolent god. Nor is he an "Intelligent Designer".
He could still well be intelligent .. but notterribly nice :)
The objective evidence is if there is a god creator, he has NO concern
about the welfare of the creatures on Earth.
That would seem a reasonable conclusion given the evidence
The objective evidence is that no gods created man but quite the opposite;
that man created gods!
It may suggest that, but it doesn't prove it . It just shows that if God
exists (or existed), he ain't the nice fellow many of us have been told
about.
I challenge god believers to supply ANY objective verifiable evidence that
their god actually exists except
in their over active imaginations.
They could probably provide similar sorts of examples as you (only ones that
show God being nice), and ask similar questions to your.
I don't think there is any objective verifiable evidence that prooves God
exists or does not.
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| User: "Libertarius" |
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| Title: Re: DOES ANY GOD EXIST -- HOT AIR! |
23 Feb 2007 05:29:39 PM |
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Bill M wrote:
There is NO OBJECTIVE VERIFIABLE EVIDENCE that any real gods actually exist.
===>What is YOUR definition of a "real god"?
Or are you just passing on hot air?
"Spinoza's God" DOES EXIST!
It is, BY DEFINITION, Nature,
the cosmic totality of all existence.
Existence exists. It always has, and always will exist.
If you define "GOD" as "existence", then THAT "GOD", SO DEFINED,
DOES EXIST. -- L.
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| User: "Bill M" |
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23 Feb 2007 07:18:17 PM |
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"Libertarius" <Libertarius@nothingbutthe.truth> wrote in message
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Bill M wrote:
There is NO OBJECTIVE VERIFIABLE EVIDENCE that any real gods actually
exist.
===>What is YOUR definition of a "real god"?
From the dictionary
god ( g¼d) n. 1. God a. A being conceived as the perfect, omnipotent,
omniscient originator and ruler of the universe, the principal object of
faith and worship in monotheistic religions. b. The force, effect, or a
manifestation or aspect of this being. c. Christian Science " Infinite Mind;
Spirit; Soul; Principle; Life; Truth; Love " (Mary Baker Eddy). 2. A being
of supernatural powers or attributes, believed in and worshiped by a people,
especially a male deity thought to control some part of nature or reality.
3. An image of a supernatural being; an idol. 4. One that is worshiped,
idealized, or followed:
Or are you just passing on hot air?
Now what's your intellignet point???
"Spinoza's God" DOES EXIST!
It is, BY DEFINITION, Nature,
the cosmic totality of all existence.
Existence exists. It always has, and always will exist.
If you define "GOD" as "existence", then THAT "GOD", SO DEFINED,
DOES EXIST. -- L.
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| User: "Pastor Frank" |
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24 Feb 2007 08:26:59 AM |
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"Bill M" <wmech@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
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"Libertarius" <Libertarius@nothingbutthe.truth> wrote in message
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Bill M wrote:
There is NO OBJECTIVE VERIFIABLE EVIDENCE that any real gods actually
exist.
===>What is YOUR definition of a "real god"?
From the dictionary
god ( g¼d) n. 1. God a. A being conceived as the perfect, omnipotent,
omniscient originator and ruler of the universe, the principal object of
faith and worship in monotheistic religions. b. The force, effect, or a
manifestation or aspect of this being. c. Christian Science " Infinite
Mind; Spirit; Soul; Principle; Life; Truth; Love " (Mary Baker Eddy). 2. A
being of supernatural powers or attributes, believed in and worshiped by a
people, especially a male deity thought to control some part of nature or
reality. 3. An image of a supernatural being; an idol. 4. One that is
worshiped, idealized, or followed:
I got a bunch of those in 3 and 4 above for sale. Make me an offer and
don't ly about my gods not existing. They DO exist alright!!!
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| User: "Gospel Bretts" |
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24 Feb 2007 10:04:04 PM |
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On Sat, 24 Feb 2007 22:26:59 +0800, "Pastor Frank"
<PF@christfirst.edu> wrote:
"Bill M" <wmech@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
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"Libertarius" <Libertarius@nothingbutthe.truth> wrote in message
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Bill M wrote:
There is NO OBJECTIVE VERIFIABLE EVIDENCE that any real gods actually
exist.
===>What is YOUR definition of a "real god"?
From the dictionary
god ( g¼d) n. 1. God a. A being conceived as the perfect, omnipotent,
omniscient originator and ruler of the universe, the principal object of
faith and worship in monotheistic religions. b. The force, effect, or a
manifestation or aspect of this being. c. Christian Science " Infinite
Mind; Spirit; Soul; Principle; Life; Truth; Love " (Mary Baker Eddy). 2. A
being of supernatural powers or attributes, believed in and worshiped by a
people, especially a male deity thought to control some part of nature or
reality. 3. An image of a supernatural being; an idol. 4. One that is
worshiped, idealized, or followed:
I got a bunch of those in 3 and 4 above for sale. Make me an offer and
don't ly about my gods not existing. They DO exist alright!!!
Ah, and Pastor Frank is still here as well! Pastor Frank, one of the
most illogical morons I've ever met. But hey, Frank, you have a
specialized education, right? In theology, or something, as I recall
.... and you know all the terminology? .. LOL ... too bad you don't
possess even the rudiments of a logical capability.
___________________
Gospel Bretts
a.a. Atheist #2262
Fundy Xian Atheist
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| User: "Pastor Frank" |
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25 Feb 2007 03:37:21 AM |
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"Gospel Bretts" <bretts1962@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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On Sat, 24 Feb 2007 22:26:59 +0800, "Pastor Frank"
<PF@christfirst.edu> wrote:
"Bill M" <wmech@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
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"Libertarius" <Libertarius@nothingbutthe.truth> wrote in message
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Bill M wrote:
There is NO OBJECTIVE VERIFIABLE EVIDENCE that any real gods actually
exist.
===>What is YOUR definition of a "real god"?
From the dictionary
god ( g¼d) n. 1. God a. A being conceived as the perfect, omnipotent,
omniscient originator and ruler of the universe, the principal object of
faith and worship in monotheistic religions. b. The force, effect, or a
manifestation or aspect of this being. c. Christian Science " Infinite
Mind; Spirit; Soul; Principle; Life; Truth; Love " (Mary Baker Eddy). 2.
A
being of supernatural powers or attributes, believed in and worshiped by
a
people, especially a male deity thought to control some part of nature
or
reality. 3. An image of a supernatural being; an idol. 4. One that is
worshiped, idealized, or followed:
I got a bunch of those in 3 and 4 above for sale. Make me an offer and
don't ly about my gods not existing. They DO exist alright!!!
Ah, and Pastor Frank is still here as well! Pastor Frank, one of the
most illogical morons I've ever met. But hey, Frank, you have a
specialized education, right? In theology, or something, as I recall
... and you know all the terminology? .. LOL ... too bad you don't
possess even the rudiments of a logical capability.
"Too bad" you still complain non stop, but seem to have a hard time
explaining exactly what it is you complain about. Let's see some of that
superior logic, you claim to possess. "Moron" indeed!!!!!
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| User: "Dubh Ghall" |
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25 Feb 2007 02:06:57 PM |
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On Sun, 25 Feb 2007 04:04:04 GMT, Gospel Bretts
<bretts1962@hotmail.com> wrote:
Ah, and Pastor Frank is still here as well! Pastor Frank, one of the
most illogical morons I've ever met. But hey, Frank, you have a
specialized education, right? In theology, or something, as I recall
... and you know all the terminology? .. LOL ... too bad you don't
possess even the rudiments of a logical capability.
He knows all the words. Whether he understands them, is another
matter.
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| User: "bob young" |
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25 Feb 2007 05:30:04 AM |
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Pastor Frank wrote:
"Bill M" <wmech@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
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"Libertarius" <Libertarius@nothingbutthe.truth> wrote in message
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Bill M wrote:
There is NO OBJECTIVE VERIFIABLE EVIDENCE that any real gods actually
exist.
===>What is YOUR definition of a "real god"?
From the dictionary
god ( g¼d) n. 1. God a. A being conceived as the perfect, omnipotent,
omniscient originator and ruler of the universe, the principal object of
faith and worship in monotheistic religions. b. The force, effect, or a
manifestation or aspect of this being. c. Christian Science " Infinite
Mind; Spirit; Soul; Principle; Life; Truth; Love " (Mary Baker Eddy). 2. A
being of supernatural powers or attributes, believed in and worshiped by a
people, especially a male deity thought to control some part of nature or
reality. 3. An image of a supernatural being; an idol. 4. One that is
worshiped, idealized, or followed:
I got a bunch of those in 3 and 4 above for sale. Make me an offer and
don't ly about my gods not existing. They DO exist alright!!!
What a sad case
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| User: "Pastor Frank" |
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27 Feb 2007 08:05:17 AM |
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"bob young" <alaspectrum@netvigator.com> wrote in message
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Pastor Frank wrote:
"Bill M" <wmech@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
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"Libertarius" <Libertarius@nothingbutthe.truth> wrote in message
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Bill M wrote:
There is NO OBJECTIVE VERIFIABLE EVIDENCE that any real gods actually
exist.
===>What is YOUR definition of a "real god"?
From the dictionary
god ( g¼d) n. 1. God a. A being conceived as the perfect, omnipotent,
omniscient originator and ruler of the universe, the principal object
of
faith and worship in monotheistic religions. b. The force, effect, or a
manifestation or aspect of this being. c. Christian Science " Infinite
Mind; Spirit; Soul; Principle; Life; Truth; Love " (Mary Baker Eddy).
2. A
being of supernatural powers or attributes, believed in and worshiped
by a
people, especially a male deity thought to control some part of nature
or
reality. 3. An image of a supernatural being; an idol. 4. One that is
worshiped, idealized, or followed:
I got a bunch of those in 3 and 4 above for sale. Make me an offer
and
don't ly about my gods not existing. They DO exist alright!!!
What a sad case
Are you lying again for atheism? The gods I have for sale are not sad in
the least, nor am I, for to know Christ is Joy eternal.
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27 Feb 2007 06:34:49 PM |
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In article <45e43380$0$16266$88260bb3@free.teranews.com>,
PF@christfirst.edu says...
"bob young" <alaspectrum@netvigator.com> wrote in message
news:45E172C8.9F24BBF2@netvigator.com...
Pastor Frank wrote:
"Bill M" <wmech@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
news:wnMDh.16557$z6.2592@bigfe9...
"Libertarius" <Libertarius@nothingbutthe.truth> wrote in message
news:5bqdnY0lbo9L5ULYnZ2dnUVZ_uygnZ2d@comcast.com...
Bill M wrote:
There is NO OBJECTIVE VERIFIABLE EVIDENCE that any real gods actually
exist.
===>What is YOUR definition of a "real god"?
From the dictionary
god ( g=3Fd) n. 1. God a. A being conceived as the perfect, omnipotent,
omniscient originator and ruler of the universe, the principal object
of
faith and worship in monotheistic religions. b. The force, effect, or a
manifestation or aspect of this being. c. Christian Science " Infinite
Mind; Spirit; Soul; Principle; Life; Truth; Love " (Mary Baker Eddy).
2. A
being of supernatural powers or attributes, believed in and worshiped
by a
people, especially a male deity thought to control some part of nature
or
reality. 3. An image of a supernatural being; an idol. 4. One that is
worshiped, idealized, or followed:
I got a bunch of those in 3 and 4 above for sale. Make me an offer
and
don't ly about my gods not existing. They DO exist alright!!!
What a sad case
Are you lying again for atheism? The gods I have for sale are not sad in
the least, nor am I, for to know Christ is Joy eternal.
Are the gods you have for sale new or used?
Are they as bitter and insane as you are?
These are important questions Frank.
The answers won't be on/in your liquor bottle.
BDK
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27 Feb 2007 08:20:40 PM |
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After serious contemplation, on or about Tuesday 27 February 2007 7:34
pm BDK perhaps from wrote:
In article <45e43380$0$16266$88260bb3@free.teranews.com>,
PF@christfirst.edu says...
"bob young" <alaspectrum@netvigator.com> wrote in message
news:45E172C8.9F24BBF2@netvigator.com...
Pastor Frank wrote:
"Bill M" <wmech@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
news:wnMDh.16557$z6.2592@bigfe9...
"Libertarius" <Libertarius@nothingbutthe.truth> wrote in message
news:5bqdnY0lbo9L5ULYnZ2dnUVZ_uygnZ2d@comcast.com...
Bill M wrote:
There is NO OBJECTIVE VERIFIABLE EVIDENCE that any real gods
actually exist.
===>What is YOUR definition of a "real god"?
From the dictionary
god ( g=3Fd) n. 1. God a. A being conceived as the perfect,
omnipotent, omniscient originator and ruler of the universe, the
principal object of
faith and worship in monotheistic religions. b. The force,
effect, or a manifestation or aspect of this being. c. Christian
Science " Infinite Mind; Spirit; Soul; Principle; Life; Truth;
Love " (Mary Baker Eddy). 2. A
being of supernatural powers or attributes, believed in and
worshiped by a
people, especially a male deity thought to control some part of
nature or
reality. 3. An image of a supernatural being; an idol. 4. One
that is worshiped, idealized, or followed:
I got a bunch of those in 3 and 4 above for sale. Make me an
offer
and
don't ly about my gods not existing. They DO exist alright!!!
What a sad case
Are you lying again for atheism? The gods I have for sale are not
sad in
the least, nor am I, for to know Christ is Joy eternal.
Are the gods you have for sale new or used?
Are they as bitter and insane as you are?
These are important questions Frank.
The answers won't be on/in your liquor bottle.
BDK
Frankie, whatever BDK bids, I'll bid a penny more as long as you can
provide pictures and provenance for those gods of yours.
Without his liquor bottle how is he going to get inspiration from the
holy Spirits er, I mean Spirit?
--
Later,
Darrell Stec
Webpage Sorcery
http://webpagesorcery.com
We Put the Magic in Your Webpages
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24 Feb 2007 06:04:22 PM |
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Bill M wrote:
"Libertarius" <Libertarius@nothingbutthe.truth> wrote in message
news:5bqdnY0lbo9L5ULYnZ2dnUVZ_uygnZ2d@comcast.com...
Bill M wrote:
There is NO OBJECTIVE VERIFIABLE EVIDENCE that any real gods actually
exist.
===>What is YOUR definition of a "real god"?
From the dictionary
god ( g¼d) n. 1. God a. A being conceived as the perfect, omnipotent,
omniscient originator and ruler of the universe, the principal object of
faith and worship in monotheistic religions. b. The force, effect, or a
manifestation or aspect of this being. c. Christian Science " Infinite Mind;
Spirit; Soul; Principle; Life; Truth; Love " (Mary Baker Eddy). 2. A being
of supernatural powers or attributes, believed in and worshiped by a people,
especially a male deity thought to control some part of nature or reality.
3. An image of a supernatural being; an idol. 4. One that is worshiped,
idealized, or followed:
===>Which, if any of those god are YOU talking about? -- L.
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24 Feb 2007 06:49:04 PM |
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"Libertarius" <Libertarius@nothingbutthe.truth> wrote in message
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Bill M wrote:
"Libertarius" <Libertarius@nothingbutthe.truth> wrote in message
news:5bqdnY0lbo9L5ULYnZ2dnUVZ_uygnZ2d@comcast.com...
Bill M wrote:
There is NO OBJECTIVE VERIFIABLE EVIDENCE that any real gods actually
exist.
===>What is YOUR definition of a "real god"?
From the dictionary
god ( g¼d) n. 1. God a. A being conceived as the perfect, omnipotent,
omniscient originator and ruler of the universe, the principal object of
faith and worship in monotheistic religions. b. The force, effect, or a
manifestation or aspect of this being. c. Christian Science " Infinite
Mind; Spirit; Soul; Principle; Life; Truth; Love " (Mary Baker Eddy). 2.
A being of supernatural powers or attributes, believed in and worshiped
by a people, especially a male deity thought to control some part of
nature or reality. 3. An image of a supernatural being; an idol. 4. One
that is worshiped, idealized, or followed:
===>Which, if any of those god are YOU talking about? -- L.
All of them!
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| User: "Libertarius" |
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25 Feb 2007 10:09:06 AM |
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Bill M wrote:
"Libertarius" <Libertarius@nothingbutthe.truth> wrote in message
news:le6dnfuQcsvrT33YnZ2dnUVZ_smonZ2d@comcast.com...
Bill M wrote:
"Libertarius" <Libertarius@nothingbutthe.truth> wrote in message
news:5bqdnY0lbo9L5ULYnZ2dnUVZ_uygnZ2d@comcast.com...
Bill M wrote:
There is NO OBJECTIVE VERIFIABLE EVIDENCE that any real gods actually
exist.
===>What is YOUR definition of a "real god"?
From the dictionary
god ( g¼d) n. 1. God a. A being conceived as the perfect, omnipotent,
omniscient originator and ruler of the universe, the principal object of
faith and worship in monotheistic religions. b. The force, effect, or a
manifestation or aspect of this being. c. Christian Science " Infinite
Mind; Spirit; Soul; Principle; Life; Truth; Love " (Mary Baker Eddy). 2.
A being of supernatural powers or attributes, believed in and worshiped
by a people, especially a male deity thought to control some part of
nature or reality. 3. An image of a supernatural being; an idol. 4. One
that is worshiped, idealized, or followed:
===>Which, if any of those god are YOU talking about? -- L.
All of them!
===>That makes no sense.
It means you claim
"There is NO OBJECTIVE VERIFIABLE EVIDENCE that"
"An image of a supernatural being; an idol" exists,
or that something that is
"worshiped, idealized, or followed" exists.
Of course there are LOTS of idols, and MANY
who are "worshiped, idealized, or followed".
And, of course, your definitions leave out the
only real supreme being that does exist, i.e
"SPINOZA'S GOD".-- L.
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25 Feb 2007 03:19:20 PM |
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"Libertarius" <Libertarius@nothingbutthe.truth> wrote in message
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Bill M wrote:
"Libertarius" <Libertarius@nothingbutthe.truth> wrote in message
news:le6dnfuQcsvrT33YnZ2dnUVZ_smonZ2d@comcast.com...
Bill M wrote:
"Libertarius" <Libertarius@nothingbutthe.truth> wrote in message
news:5bqdnY0lbo9L5ULYnZ2dnUVZ_uygnZ2d@comcast.com...
Bill M wrote:
There is NO OBJECTIVE VERIFIABLE EVIDENCE that any real gods actually
exist.
===>What is YOUR definition of a "real god"?
From the dictionary
god ( g¼d) n. 1. God a. A being conceived as the perfect, omnipotent,
omniscient originator and ruler of the universe, the principal object of
faith and worship in monotheistic religions. b. The force, effect, or a
manifestation or aspect of this being. c. Christian Science " Infinite
Mind; Spirit; Soul; Principle; Life; Truth; Love " (Mary Baker Eddy). 2.
A being of supernatural powers or attributes, believed in and worshiped
by a people, especially a male deity thought to control some part of
nature or reality. 3. An image of a supernatural being; an idol. 4. One
that is worshiped, idealized, or followed:
===>Which, if any of those god are YOU talking about? -- L.
All of them!
===>That makes no sense.
It means you claim
"There is NO OBJECTIVE VERIFIABLE EVIDENCE that"
"An image of a supernatural being; an idol" exists,
or that something that is
"worshiped, idealized, or followed" exists.
Of course there are LOTS of idols, and MANY
who are "worshiped, idealized, or followed".
And, of course, your definitions leave out the
only real supreme being that does exist, i.e
"SPINOZA'S GOD".-- L.
Pure babble!
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25 Feb 2007 07:01:38 PM |
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Bill M wrote:
"Libertarius" <Libertarius@nothingbutthe.truth> wrote in message
news:E9CdnbY_FMsNKXzYnZ2dnUVZ_g-dnZ2d@comcast.com...
Bill M wrote:
"Libertarius" <Libertarius@nothingbutthe.truth> wrote in message
news:le6dnfuQcsvrT33YnZ2dnUVZ_smonZ2d@comcast.com...
Bill M wrote:
"Libertarius" <Libertarius@nothingbutthe.truth> wrote in message
news:5bqdnY0lbo9L5ULYnZ2dnUVZ_uygnZ2d@comcast.com...
Bill M wrote:
There is NO OBJECTIVE VERIFIABLE EVIDENCE that any real gods actually
exist.
===>What is YOUR definition of a "real god"?
From the dictionary
god ( g¼d) n. 1. God a. A being conceived as the perfect, omnipotent,
omniscient originator and ruler of the universe, the principal object of
faith and worship in monotheistic religions. b. The force, effect, or a
manifestation or aspect of this being. c. Christian Science " Infinite
Mind; Spirit; Soul; Principle; Life; Truth; Love " (Mary Baker Eddy). 2.
A being of supernatural powers or attributes, believed in and worshiped
by a people, especially a male deity thought to control some part of
nature or reality. 3. An image of a supernatural being; an idol. 4. One
that is worshiped, idealized, or followed:
===>Which, if any of those god are YOU talking about? -- L.
All of them!
===>That makes no sense.
It means you claim
"There is NO OBJECTIVE VERIFIABLE EVIDENCE that"
"An image of a supernatural being; an idol" exists,
or that something that is
"worshiped, idealized, or followed" exists.
Of course there are LOTS of idols, and MANY
who are "worshiped, idealized, or followed".
And, of course, your definitions leave out the
only real supreme being that does exist, i.e
"SPINOZA'S GOD".-- L.
Pure babble!
===>I.e., way over your head. -- L.
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20 Mar 2007 07:06:38 PM |
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"Libertarius" <Libertarius@nothingbutthe.truth> wrote in message
news:le6dnfuQcsvrT33YnZ2dnUVZ_smonZ2d@comcast.com...
Bill M wrote:
"Libertarius" <Libertarius@nothingbutthe.truth> wrote in message
news:5bqdnY0lbo9L5ULYnZ2dnUVZ_uygnZ2d@comcast.com...
Bill M wrote:
There is NO OBJECTIVE VERIFIABLE EVIDENCE that any real gods actually
exist.
===>What is YOUR definition of a "real god"?
From the dictionary
god ( g¼d) n. 1. God a. A being conceived as the perfect, omnipotent,
omniscient originator and ruler of the universe, the principal object of
faith and worship in monotheistic religions. b. The force, effect, or a
manifestation or aspect of this being. c. Christian Science " Infinite
Mind; Spirit; Soul; Principle; Life; Truth; Love " (Mary Baker Eddy). 2.
A being of supernatural powers or attributes, believed in and worshiped
by a people, especially a male deity thought to control some part of
nature or reality. 3. An image of a supernatural being; an idol. 4. One
that is worshiped, idealized, or followed:
===>Which, if any of those god are YOU talking about? -- L.
The one defined in the dictionary which I just posted above. Learn to read!
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| User: "Pastor Frank" |
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24 Mar 2007 06:45:56 PM |
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"Bill M" <wmech@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
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"Libertarius" <Libertarius@nothingbutthe.truth> wrote in message
news:le6dnfuQcsvrT33YnZ2dnUVZ_smonZ2d@comcast.com...
Bill M wrote:
"Libertarius" <Libertarius@nothingbutthe.truth> wrote in message
news:5bqdnY0lbo9L5ULYnZ2dnUVZ_uygnZ2d@comcast.com...
Bill M wrote:
There is NO OBJECTIVE VERIFIABLE EVIDENCE that any real gods actually
exist.
===>What is YOUR definition of a "real god"?
From the dictionary
god ( g¼d) n. 1. God a. A being conceived as the perfect, omnipotent,
omniscient originator and ruler of the universe, the principal object of
faith and worship in monotheistic religions. b. The force, effect, or a
manifestation or aspect of this being. c. Christian Science " Infinite
Mind; Spirit; Soul; Principle; Life; Truth; Love " (Mary Baker Eddy). 2.
A being of supernatural powers or attributes, believed in and worshiped
by a people, especially a male deity thought to control some part of
nature or reality. 3. An image of a supernatural being; an idol. 4. One
that is worshiped, idealized, or followed:
===>Which, if any of those god are YOU talking about? -- L.
The one defined in the dictionary which I just posted above. Learn to
read!
None of those are the God of Christ, who is "a Spirit" (John 4:240
inhabiting and motivating a person to do good.
--
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26 Mar 2007 04:12:08 PM |
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On Sun, 25 Mar 2007 07:45:56 +0800, "Pastor Frank"
<PF@christfirst.edu> wrote:
"Bill M" <wmech@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
news:9G_Lh.49$eT5.36@bignews1.bellsouth.net...
"Libertarius" <Libertarius@nothingbutthe.truth> wrote in message
news:le6dnfuQcsvrT33YnZ2dnUVZ_smonZ2d@comcast.com...
Bill M wrote:
"Libertarius" <Libertarius@nothingbutthe.truth> wrote in message
news:5bqdnY0lbo9L5ULYnZ2dnUVZ_uygnZ2d@comcast.com...
Bill M wrote:
There is NO OBJECTIVE VERIFIABLE EVIDENCE that any real gods actually
exist.
===>What is YOUR definition of a "real god"?
From the dictionary
god ( g¼d) n. 1. God a. A being conceived as the perfect, omnipotent,
omniscient originator and ruler of the universe, the principal object of
faith and worship in monotheistic religions. b. The force, effect, or a
manifestation or aspect of this being. c. Christian Science " Infinite
Mind; Spirit; Soul; Principle; Life; Truth; Love " (Mary Baker Eddy). 2.
A being of supernatural powers or attributes, believed in and worshiped
by a people, especially a male deity thought to control some part of
nature or reality. 3. An image of a supernatural being; an idol. 4. One
that is worshiped, idealized, or followed:
===>Which, if any of those god are YOU talking about? -- L.
The one defined in the dictionary which I just posted above. Learn to
read!
None of those are the God of Christ, who is "a Spirit" (John 4:240
inhabiting and motivating a person to do good.
JOH 4:24 God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him
in spirit and in truth.
Not a word about "inhabiting and motivating a person to do good".
Are you adding your own words to the bible, Frank?
--
The spelling Like any opinion stated here
purely my own
#162 BAAWA Knight.
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21 Mar 2007 02:14:12 PM |
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Bill M wrote:
"Libertarius" <Libertarius@nothingbutthe.truth> wrote in message
news:le6dnfuQcsvrT33YnZ2dnUVZ_smonZ2d@comcast.com...
Bill M wrote:
"Libertarius" <Libertarius@nothingbutthe.truth> wrote in message
news:5bqdnY0lbo9L5ULYnZ2dnUVZ_uygnZ2d@comcast.com...
Bill M wrote:
There is NO OBJECTIVE VERIFIABLE EVIDENCE that any real gods actually
exist.
===>What is YOUR definition of a "real god"?
From the dictionary
god ( g¼d) n. 1. God a. A being conceived as the perfect, omnipotent,
omniscient originator and ruler of the universe, the principal object of
faith and worship in monotheistic religions. b. The force, effect, or a
manifestation or aspect of this being. c. Christian Science " Infinite
Mind; Spirit; Soul; Principle; Life; Truth; Love " (Mary Baker Eddy). 2.
A being of supernatural powers or attributes, believed in and worshiped
by a people, especially a male deity thought to control some part of
nature or reality. 3. An image of a supernatural being; an idol. 4. One
that is worshiped, idealized, or followed:
===>Which, if any of those god are YOU talking about? -- L.
The one defined in the dictionary which I just posted above. Learn to read!
===>I can read, you obviously can't, so you cannot answer the question.
But taking your word for it, your "GOD" can, then be defined as
3. An image of a supernatural being; an idol.
Which, of course, you created in your head. -- L.
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22 Feb 2007 01:55:38 PM |
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On Feb 22, 11:15 am, "Bill M" <w...@bellsouth.net> wrote:
There is NO OBJECTIVE VERIFIABLE EVIDENCE that any real gods actually exist.
There is even stronger evidence that NO GODS exist
http://www.jesus-is-lord.com/proof.htm
"Faith is not belief without proof, but trust without
reservations."
--Elton Trueblood
A skeptic writes that he needs some proof to believe the claims of
Christ:
"It is hard to sell something that hasn't been seen. Seeing is
believing and a picture is worth a thousand words."
Jesus answers in Matthew 12:39-40:
An evil and adulterous generation seeketh after a sign; and
there shall no sign be given to it, but the sign of the prophet Jonas:
For as Jonas was three days and three nights in the whale's
belly; so shall the Son of man be three days, and three nights in the
heart of the earth.
Jesus rose from the dead--it's the only sign you'll get as an
unbeliever.
. . . . . . .
Unbeliever, there is a limit to what you can understand right now
because you are unregenerate and in your sins (I Corinthians 2:14).
The wrath of a holy God abideth upon you (John 3:36) and the gates of
hell want you there for eternal destruction. Oh, open your eyes and
see! Jesus is good and kind and came from His dwelling place on high
to succour you from that torment.
You need to turn from your sins and say "Yes" to your Creator,
Jesus Christ (Colossians 1:16), for whosoever shall call upon the name
of the Lord shalt be saved (Romans 10:9, 13). He left His throne on
High to die--FOR YOU. Be washed in His blood. Be cleansed. Come to
Jesus and get some rest. Be born again. God will be your Father and
you will have a good understanding as you walk with Him. His Holy
Spirit will guide and lead you through this life and for all eternity.
Jesus is everything that can be desired and all that any sane
person could want--and more. The Lily of the Valley, the Everlasting
God, the Eternal Word, Succourer, Saviour, Creator, Protector, Lord.
Every knee shall bow and every tongue shall confess that Jesus Christ
is Lord--that includes Satan, every devil, every false religious
follower, every secular humanist, and every scoffer as well as those
of us who will be shouting "Glory, Hallelujah! Blessed be the Name of
the Lord!"
If you don't repent you will perish. That is a sure thing. It is
most sure. God has been merciful to you and let you live another day
to repent. Please don't die without Jesus.
http://www.jesus-is-lord.com/godis.htm
God is.
Christians don't have to prove anything to atheists and scoffers.
Many Christians get shaken up by the latest big words and fancy
ideas coming from dead souls called atheists and scoffers. This ought
not to be. Romans chapter 1 tells us that they KNOW God is. Yes, yes,
some of them have lied to themselves so many times that they begin to
believe there is no God--BUT--things like guilt, hurt, hatred,
despondency, need, and emptiness still plague these people. Their
emotions, desires and actions cannot be adequately explained through
their evolutionary world view. It's hard on 'em to figure it all out.
Psychiatrists are making a killing.
Let's look at Romans chapter 1:
1:18 For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all
ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in
unrighteousness; 1:19 Because that which may be known of God is
manifest in them; for God hath shewed it unto them. 1:20 For the
invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly
seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal
power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse: 1:21 Because that,
when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were
thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish
heart was darkened. 1:22 Professing themselves to be wise, they became
fools, 1:23 And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an
image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted
beasts, and creeping things.
Now see there? The Bible tells us all about the scoffer and the
atheist. They KNOW He is real. So next time somebody gets in your face
about YOUR God, there is no need to be shaken in mind. Just give them
the reason for the hope that lieth within you--Christ crucified and
risen. If they don't want to hear it, just shake the dust off of your
feet and move on. There is somebody that wants to hear.
A couple of things to think about...
[1] The atheist comes to you with a presupposition that there is
no God. In so doing, he goes against the grain of the majority of
mankind from the very beginning of time. People have been worshipping
God for thousands of years and the maverick atheist says God ain't
real--is not the burden of proof on him to show that past, present and
future multitudes are wrong?
[2] Given that God simply is (He's the I am) why argue an already
established fact? Evolutionists are just as wrong as the day is long
but they start from the position that evolution is true and that God
has nothing to do with creation. They do not argue this. Why then do
we Christians feel that we must prove God's existence to evil men?
That is ridiculous when you think about it. Don't let scoffers get you
on the ropes. The Bible says, "The wicked flee when no man pursueth,
but the righteous is as bold as a lion." I love that verse. Give 'em
the old time gospel.
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