| Topic: |
Religions > Atheism |
| User: |
"Bill M" |
| Date: |
04 Nov 2007 06:24:13 AM |
| Object: |
DOES ANY GOD EXIST? |
There is NO objective verifiable evidence for the existence of ANY gods.
Lots of opinions but NO evidence! God beliefs are no more sound or realistic
than beliefs in Santa Claus and the Tooth Fairy
Evidence of gods;
There is NO objective verifiable evidence any gods have ever spoken to any
sane men. There is only the 'subjective opinions' of errant men.
There is NO objective verifiable evidence any gods have ever appeared to any
sane men. There is only the 'subjective opinions' of errant men.
Why does this all powerful god creator never communicate with us? Why does
he never authenticate his very existence?
There is NO objective verifiable evidence that any Heavens, Hells, Gods,
Spirits, Angels or Saints actually exist except in the imaginations of man.
There is a wealth of objective verifiable material evidence that NO gods
actually exist.
Why does this all powerful creator, all loving and caring intelligent
designer, create Plagues, Tsunamis, Tornadoes, Volcanic Eruptions, Floods,
Wars, Earth Quakes, Cancers and hundreds of debilitating diseases and
serious body malfunctions? There are 12,000 known diseases that affect and
punish mankind indiscriminately. Why does he permit millions of both young
and old to starve to death or die of miserable diseases? Why punish millions
of INNOCENT CHILDREN in this horrible way?
Why does this all powerful and caring god permit totally "innocent children"
to die at birth? Or worse, be born lacking eyesight, a fully developed
brain, deaf and dumb, missing limbs etc.? Why are some born idiots and
others with super intelligence? Why are some born into wealth and others
pauper poor? Why does he permit over 2,000,000 innocent children to die of
starvation every year? Why are his human creations designed to deteriorate
into a miserable and devastating old age regardless of their religious
affiliation?
God supposedly created the world like it is, to punish man for Adam and Eve's
'original sin'. Why does he also punish supposedly innocent children and
animals with thousands of diseases, birth defects, starvation and to be
eaten by other animals?
Why did this all powerful and loving creator create things like sharks,
jelly fish, octopus, lions, tigers, rhinoceros, wolves, poisonous snakes,
stinging and poisonous insects, poisonous plants etc.? Why did this caring
and benevolent god create animals (including man) that need to painfully
kill and eat other animals to survive?
World War I claimed 9,000,000 lives of people of many religious faiths.
World II indiscriminately claimed over 20,000,000 lives of people of all
ages and religious faiths, plus a vast destruction of property and more
millions maimed for life.
The recent Asian Tsunami has claimed the lives of 200,000 men, women and
children of all religious persuasions. Over 100,000 of these were totally
INNOCENT children!
There were three major epidemics of the Bubonic Plaque - in the 6th, 14th.
and 17th centuries. The death toll was over 137 million men, women and
totally innocent children.
The influenza of 1918-1919 killed at least 25 million men, women and
innocent children indiscriminately.
Diseases like malaria, AIDS, tuberculosis, etc. maim and kill millions
indiscriminately every year. More millions die of starvation and
malnutrition.
These indiscriminately afflicted the young and old, atheists and those of
all religious persuasions.
Meanwhile MAN, not god, has developed defenses and cures for hundreds of
serious diseases. Man has learned to create shelter, heat and cooling,
purify water, world wide electronic communications, power and transportation
systems including flying through the air.
Man has created a wonderful medical and drug system and improved housing and
food production. The result of MAN'S inventiveness has
DOUBLED the average life span. None of this was created by any gods.
Perhaps your loving and caring god is actually a cruel, heartless, mean and
torturing tyrant. If he treats us so cruelly during life, why do you think
he will let us enjoy peace and eternal happiness in his Heaven? And why does
he keep all this a secret by preventing communication with our dead parents,
siblings and friends? (Or this god?)
There are thousands of different religious and god beliefs but NO OBJECTIVE
VERIFIABLE EVIDENCE for the actual existence of ANY of these gods. ALL god
beliefs are based on the unsubstantiated 'opinions and claims' of errant
men.
If there is a god that created the Universe, he is obviously not an
all-caring and benevolent god. Nor is he an "Intelligent Designer". The
objective evidence is if there is a god creator, he has NO concern about the
welfare of the creatures on Earth.
The objective evidence is that no gods created man but quite the opposite;
that man created gods!
I challenge god believers to supply ANY objective verifiable evidence that
their god actually exists except in their over active imaginations.
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| User: "Budd Cochran" |
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| Title: Re: YES! |
11 Jan 2008 11:55:35 AM |
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"bob young" <alaspectrum@netvigator.com> wrote in message
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Budd Cochran wrote:
"Christopher A.Lee" <calee@optonline.net> wrote in message
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On Thu, 10 Jan 2008 15:33:24 -0700, "Budd Cochran"
<mr.establishment440@bresnan.net> wrote:
I don't understand the atheistic ability to believe in "nothing", as
there
would be "nothing' to place those beliefs upon, "nothing" to give
peace,
hope, joy, love, security, confidence, a reason to do good, to live, or
to
even think you might be anything.
What 'atheistic ability to believe in "nothing"'?
Well, if you don't believe in "nothing" then you believe in "something",
right?
What is it with you morons that makes you incapable of understanding
the real world outside your religion?
Moron? Name calling already and I just got here . . .my, I'm
flattered!!!!
There is no "world" outside my Christian beliefs because without God
there
wouldn't be a world ... or Universe, for that matter.
Proof please [and before you try first examine the thousands of man's
other
gods, as it will halp you to be more factual]
Been there, tried them and they came up lacking. Even tried atheism ... what
a waste of time.
This is not to say you could not be outside my beliefs, as you evidently
are, but it means that I don't accept your religion, ansd trust me, you
have
to have more faith there is not God, no Judgement Day, than I do to
believe
there is.
Why is it too hard to grasp that an atheist is somebody in the real
world, who doesn't happen to be theist?
How hard is it for you to grasp that you could be wrong?
Very hard. Atheists say, show me your god, then we will believe it, until
then
we assume it is simply mythology
"What an evil and perverse generation that seeks after a sign ... " If God
smacked you on the head, you wouldn't believe.
Of course, you'd
have to try to understand things you've been conditioned by the secular
humanists to disbelieve . . .yep, brainwashing lives.
Why do you feel you have to invent positions we don't have that rest
on presumptions that only theists have as part of their religion?
Concerning the subject of "Supreme Beings", Atheists believe there is/are
no
god, gods, or God, in other words, NOTHING.
How is that incorrect?
Budd
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| User: "Robibnikoff" |
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| Title: Re: YES! |
11 Jan 2008 12:02:09 PM |
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"Budd Cochran" <mr.establishment440@bresnan.net> wrotesnip
"What an evil and perverse generation that seeks after a sign ... " If God
smacked you on the head, you wouldn't believe.
Funny, but I always lying was considered a sin in your religion.
--
Robyn
Resident Witchypoo
BAAWA Knight!
#1557
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| User: "Budd Cochran" |
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| Title: Re: YES! |
11 Jan 2008 02:22:41 PM |
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It is, and you prove you believe in sin with that comment.
Before the ellipsis is a partial quote of Scripture of Jesus telling the
Jewish leaders there would be no sign given EXCEPT His death and
resurrection.
The rest was the comment that so many today wouldn't accept Christ as God /
Messiah if he walked up an introduced Himself or even smacked you to get
your attention.
Budd
"Robibnikoff" <witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote in message
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"Budd Cochran" <mr.establishment440@bresnan.net> wrotesnip
"What an evil and perverse generation that seeks after a sign ... " If
God smacked you on the head, you wouldn't believe.
Funny, but I always lying was considered a sin in your religion.
--
Robyn
Resident Witchypoo
BAAWA Knight!
#1557
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| User: "Robibnikoff" |
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| Title: Re: YES! |
11 Jan 2008 04:16:57 PM |
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"Budd Cochran" <mr.establishment440@bresnan.net> wrote in message
news:e8qdnSbO5YiQTRranZ2dnUVZ_t-nnZ2d@bresnan.com...
It is, and you prove you believe in sin with that comment.
Wrong. I don't "believe in sin". Sin is a religious concept. And I don't
believe in your religion, therefore it doesn't apply to me.
<nonsense deleted>
--
Robyn
Resident Witchypoo
BAAWA Knight!
#1557
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| User: "Pastor Frank" |
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| Title: Re: YES! |
14 Jan 2008 03:35:55 PM |
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"Robibnikoff" <witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote in message
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"Budd Cochran" <mr.establishment440@bresnan.net> wrote in message
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It is, and you prove you believe in sin with that comment.
Wrong. I don't "believe in sin". Sin is a religious concept. And I don't
believe in your religion, therefore it doesn't apply to me.
You are admitting to being amoral.
--
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| User: "JessHC" |
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| Title: Re: YES! |
16 Jan 2008 09:42:09 AM |
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Pastor Frank wrote:
"Robibnikoff" <witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote in message
news:5uq86nF1jdohuU1@mid.individual.net...
"Budd Cochran" <mr.establishment440@bresnan.net> wrote in message
news:e8qdnSbO5YiQTRranZ2dnUVZ_t-nnZ2d@bresnan.com...
It is, and you prove you believe in sin with that comment.
Wrong. I don't "believe in sin". Sin is a religious concept. And I don't
believe in your religion, therefore it doesn't apply to me.
You are admitting to being amoral.
It's immoral to lie, Frank. Rejecting your arbitrary religious
concepts isn't amoral; in fact, it demonstrates superior morality,
since many of your arbitrary religious concepts are immoral.
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| User: "Rev. Karl E. Taylor" |
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16 Jan 2008 09:35:25 AM |
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Pastor Frank wrote:
"Robibnikoff" <witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote in message
news:5uq86nF1jdohuU1@mid.individual.net...
"Budd Cochran" <mr.establishment440@bresnan.net> wrote in message
news:e8qdnSbO5YiQTRranZ2dnUVZ_t-nnZ2d@bresnan.com...
It is, and you prove you believe in sin with that comment.
Wrong. I don't "believe in sin". Sin is a religious concept. And I don't
believe in your religion, therefore it doesn't apply to me.
You are admitting to being amoral.
No illiterate one, it works like this.
You have a problem with sin, which is a concept of your religion.
Atheists in general are not part of your religion, therefor your problem
is not our problem. You have a problem with a religious concept, you
deal with it.
--
There are none more ignorant and useless,
than they that seek answers on their knees,
with their eyes closed.
____________________________________________________________________
Rev. Karl E. Taylor http://www.jesusneverexisted.com/
A.A #1143 http://scienceblogs.com/aardvarchaeology/
Apostle of Dr. Lao EAC: Virgin Conversion Unit Director
____________________________________________________________________
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| User: "Pastor Frank" |
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| Title: Re: YES! |
17 Jan 2008 03:58:46 AM |
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"Rev. Karl E. Taylor" <ktayloraz@getnet.net> wrote in message
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Pastor Frank wrote:
"Robibnikoff" <witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote in message
news:5uq86nF1jdohuU1@mid.individual.net...
"Budd Cochran" <mr.establishment440@bresnan.net> wrote in message
news:e8qdnSbO5YiQTRranZ2dnUVZ_t-nnZ2d@bresnan.com...
It is, and you prove you believe in sin with that comment.
Wrong. I don't "believe in sin". Sin is a religious concept. And I
don't believe in your religion, therefore it doesn't apply to me.
You are admitting to being amoral.
No illiterate one, it works like this.
You have a problem with sin, which is a concept of your religion. Atheists
in general are not part of your religion, therefor your problem is not our
problem. You have a problem with a religious concept, you deal with it.
That's what I said "amoral".
--
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| User: "Rev. Karl E. Taylor" |
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| Title: Re: YES! |
18 Jan 2008 01:07:20 PM |
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Pastor Frank wrote:
"Rev. Karl E. Taylor" <ktayloraz@getnet.net> wrote in message
news:vqk165-q1b.ln1@dhcpdns2.ddsoho.com...
Pastor Frank wrote:
"Robibnikoff" <witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote in message
news:5uq86nF1jdohuU1@mid.individual.net...
"Budd Cochran" <mr.establishment440@bresnan.net> wrote in message
news:e8qdnSbO5YiQTRranZ2dnUVZ_t-nnZ2d@bresnan.com...
It is, and you prove you believe in sin with that comment.
Wrong. I don't "believe in sin". Sin is a religious concept. And I
don't believe in your religion, therefore it doesn't apply to me.
You are admitting to being amoral.
No illiterate one, it works like this.
You have a problem with sin, which is a concept of your religion. Atheists
in general are not part of your religion, therefor your problem is not our
problem. You have a problem with a religious concept, you deal with it.
That's what I said "amoral".
Wrong again Pisser Fruit.
An atheist is not without morals, just without theism. They are not
theists.
D o u n d e r s t a n d t h e w o r d s o n t h e s c r e e n ?
--
There are none more ignorant and useless,
than they that seek answers on their knees,
with their eyes closed.
____________________________________________________________________
Rev. Karl E. Taylor http://www.jesusneverexisted.com/
A.A #1143 http://scienceblogs.com/aardvarchaeology/
Apostle of Dr. Lao EAC: Virgin Conversion Unit Director
____________________________________________________________________
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| User: "Pastor Frank" |
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| Title: Re: YES! |
19 Jan 2008 10:03:05 AM |
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"Rev. Karl E. Taylor" <ktayloraz@getnet.net> wrote in message
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Pastor Frank wrote:
"Rev. Karl E. Taylor" <ktayloraz@getnet.net> wrote in message
news:vqk165-q1b.ln1@dhcpdns2.ddsoho.com...
Pastor Frank wrote:
"Robibnikoff" <witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote in message
news:5uq86nF1jdohuU1@mid.individual.net...
"Budd Cochran" <mr.establishment440@bresnan.net> wrote in message
news:e8qdnSbO5YiQTRranZ2dnUVZ_t-nnZ2d@bresnan.com...
It is, and you prove you believe in sin with that comment.
Wrong. I don't "believe in sin". Sin is a religious concept. And I
don't believe in your religion, therefore it doesn't apply to me.
You are admitting to being amoral.
No illiterate one, it works like this.
You have a problem with sin, which is a concept of your religion.
Atheists in general are not part of your religion, therefor your problem
is not our problem. You have a problem with a religious concept, you
deal with it.
That's what I said "amoral".
Wrong again Pisser Fruit.
An atheist is not without morals, just without theism. They are not
theists.
Christians worship their morals through Jesus Christ, ...to the death if
need be. Who models your morals Rev. ?
--
Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com
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| User: "Rev. Karl E. Taylor" |
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| Title: Re: YES! |
19 Jan 2008 01:04:39 PM |
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Pastor Frank wrote:
"Rev. Karl E. Taylor" <ktayloraz@getnet.net> wrote in message
news:4790f8e7$0$75301$4c5eba9e@news.getnet.net...
Pastor Frank wrote:
"Rev. Karl E. Taylor" <ktayloraz@getnet.net> wrote in message
news:vqk165-q1b.ln1@dhcpdns2.ddsoho.com...
Pastor Frank wrote:
"Robibnikoff" <witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote in message
news:5uq86nF1jdohuU1@mid.individual.net...
"Budd Cochran" <mr.establishment440@bresnan.net> wrote in message
news:e8qdnSbO5YiQTRranZ2dnUVZ_t-nnZ2d@bresnan.com...
It is, and you prove you believe in sin with that comment.
Wrong. I don't "believe in sin". Sin is a religious concept. And I
don't believe in your religion, therefore it doesn't apply to me.
You are admitting to being amoral.
No illiterate one, it works like this.
You have a problem with sin, which is a concept of your religion.
Atheists in general are not part of your religion, therefor your problem
is not our problem. You have a problem with a religious concept, you
deal with it.
That's what I said "amoral".
Wrong again Pisser Fruit.
An atheist is not without morals, just without theism. They are not
theists.
Christians worship their morals through Jesus Christ, ...to the death if
need be. Who models your morals Rev. ?
Humanity. You know, something that actually exist in this world.
BTW Pisser Fruit, to the death you say. Hmmmmmmm, when was the last
time you were willing to put your life on the line for another?
When was the list time you were willing to die that others may live?
You clowns are all about how your "willing to die for the gospel of
Jesus Christ", but when it really comes right down to it, most of you
are to cowardly to risk your lives for the life of another.
Your book of blood and lies is more important to you, then the life of a
fellow human being.
Sad.
--
There are none more ignorant and useless,
than they that seek answers on their knees,
with their eyes closed.
____________________________________________________________________
Rev. Karl E. Taylor http://www.jesusneverexisted.com/
A.A #1143 http://scienceblogs.com/aardvarchaeology/
Apostle of Dr. Lao EAC: Virgin Conversion Unit Director
____________________________________________________________________
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| User: "Pastor Frank" |
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| Title: Re: YES! |
19 Jan 2008 08:45:19 PM |
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"Rev. Karl E. Taylor" <ktayloraz@getnet.net> wrote in message
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Pastor Frank wrote:
"Rev. Karl E. Taylor" <ktayloraz@getnet.net> wrote in message
news:4790f8e7$0$75301$4c5eba9e@news.getnet.net...
Pastor Frank wrote:
"Rev. Karl E. Taylor" <ktayloraz@getnet.net> wrote in message
news:vqk165-q1b.ln1@dhcpdns2.ddsoho.com...
Pastor Frank wrote:
"Robibnikoff" <witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote in message
news:5uq86nF1jdohuU1@mid.individual.net...
"Budd Cochran" <mr.establishment440@bresnan.net> wrote in message
news:e8qdnSbO5YiQTRranZ2dnUVZ_t-nnZ2d@bresnan.com...
It is, and you prove you believe in sin with that comment.
Wrong. I don't "believe in sin". Sin is a religious concept. And I
don't believe in your religion, therefore it doesn't apply to me.
You are admitting to being amoral.
No illiterate one, it works like this.
You have a problem with sin, which is a concept of your religion.
Atheists in general are not part of your religion, therefor your
problem is not our problem. You have a problem with a religious
concept, you deal with it.
That's what I said "amoral".
Wrong again Pisser Fruit.
An atheist is not without morals, just without theism. They are not
theists.
Christians worship their morals through Jesus Christ, ...to the death
if need be. Who models your morals Rev. ?
Humanity. You know, something that actually exist in this world.
Unfortunately "humanity" makes a ***** poor god. We can't even stop
killing each other. However he how practices being humane is indeed close to
God's heart.
When was the list time you were willing to die that others may live?
You clowns are all about how your "willing to die for the gospel of Jesus
Christ", but when it really comes right down to it, most of you are to
cowardly to risk your lives for the life of another.
Your book of blood and lies is more important to you, then the life of a
fellow human being.
Sad.
Is that why you gave up believing in the ideals Christ demonstrates,
because "most" can't live up to that? There are an awful lot of Christian
martyrs who demonstrated their fortitude to the death, in the face of evil,
but very few atheists doing the same indeed!!!
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| User: "Rev. Karl E. Taylor" |
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22 Jan 2008 01:10:55 PM |
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| "Rev. Karl E. Taylor" <ktayloraz@getnet.net> wrote in message
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|> Pastor Frank wrote:
|>> "Rev. Karl E. Taylor" <ktayloraz@getnet.net> wrote in message
|>> news:4790f8e7$0$75301$4c5eba9e@news.getnet.net...
|>>> Pastor Frank wrote:
|>>>> "Rev. Karl E. Taylor" <ktayloraz@getnet.net> wrote in message
|>>>> news:vqk165-q1b.ln1@dhcpdns2.ddsoho.com...
|>>>>> Pastor Frank wrote:
|>>>>>> "Robibnikoff" <witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote in message
|>>>>>> news:5uq86nF1jdohuU1@mid.individual.net...
|>>>>>>> "Budd Cochran" <mr.establishment440@bresnan.net> wrote in message
|>>>>>>> news:e8qdnSbO5YiQTRranZ2dnUVZ_t-nnZ2d@bresnan.com...
|>>>>>>>> It is, and you prove you believe in sin with that comment.
|>>>>>>> Wrong. I don't "believe in sin". Sin is a religious concept.
And I
|>>>>>>> don't believe in your religion, therefore it doesn't apply to me.
|>>>>>> You are admitting to being amoral.
|>>>>> No illiterate one, it works like this.
|>>>>> You have a problem with sin, which is a concept of your religion.
|>>>>> Atheists in general are not part of your religion, therefor your
|>>>>> problem is not our problem. You have a problem with a religious
|>>>>> concept, you deal with it.
|>>>> That's what I said "amoral".
|>>> Wrong again Pisser Fruit.
|>>> An atheist is not without morals, just without theism. They are not
|>>> theists.
|>>>
|>> Christians worship their morals through Jesus Christ, ...to the
death
|>> if need be. Who models your morals Rev. ?
|> Humanity. You know, something that actually exist in this world.
|>
| Unfortunately "humanity" makes a ***** poor god. We can't even stop
| killing each other. However he how practices being humane is indeed
close to
| God's heart.
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I didn't say I was making it a god your inbreed poor excuse for wasted
DNA. You asked where I modeled my morals from, I answered you. You
don't like the answer, well tough *****.
You're supposed to be an adult, cope.
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|> When was the list time you were willing to die that others may live?
|> You clowns are all about how your "willing to die for the gospel of
Jesus
|> Christ", but when it really comes right down to it, most of you are to
|> cowardly to risk your lives for the life of another.
|> Your book of blood and lies is more important to you, then the life of a
|> fellow human being.
|> Sad.
|>
| Is that why you gave up believing in the ideals Christ demonstrates,
| because "most" can't live up to that? There are an awful lot of
Christian
| martyrs who demonstrated their fortitude to the death, in the face of
evil,
| but very few atheists doing the same indeed!!!
|
I see you fail to answer, or even grasp the question.
Being willing to die for a myth, is stupid
I asked you when was the last time you were willing to put your life on
the line for another human being? Something you refuse to answer.
I think now I know why. Your cowardice gives you away.
BTW, your "awful lot of" xtian martyrs, is not supported by the
historical record. In fact, most martyrs in history, were made that way
because of xtians.
- --
There are none more ignorant and useless,
than they that seek answers on their knees,
with their eyes closed.
____________________________________________________________________
Rev. Karl E. Taylor http://www.jesusneverexisted.com/
A.A #1143 http://scienceblogs.com/aardvarchaeology/
Apostle of Dr. Lao EAC: Virgin Conversion Unit Director
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| User: "Christopher A.Lee" |
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11 Jan 2008 02:32:30 PM |
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On Fri, 11 Jan 2008 13:22:41 -0700, "Budd Cochran"
<mr.establishment440@bresnan.net> wrote:
The moron has started to top-post.
It is, and you prove you believe in sin with that comment.
Liar.
Before the ellipsis is a partial quote of Scripture of Jesus telling the
Jewish leaders there would be no sign given EXCEPT His death and
resurrection.
What the ***** has this mythology got to do with anything?
The rest was the comment that so many today wouldn't accept Christ as God /
Messiah if he walked up an introduced Himself or even smacked you to get
your attention.
HE'd have the same burden of proof that you keep dishinestly copping
out of, lying moron.
Budd
"Robibnikoff" <witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote in message
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"Budd Cochran" <mr.establishment440@bresnan.net> wrotesnip
"What an evil and perverse generation that seeks after a sign ... " If
God smacked you on the head, you wouldn't believe.
Funny, but I always lying was considered a sin in your religion.
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Robyn
Resident Witchypoo
BAAWA Knight!
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11 Jan 2008 02:46:52 PM |
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On Fri, 11 Jan 2008 13:22:41 -0700, "Budd Cochran" <mr.establishment440@bresnan.net> wrote:
It is, and you prove you believe in sin with that comment.
Before the ellipsis is a partial quote of Scripture of Jesus telling the
Jewish leaders there would be no sign given EXCEPT His death and
resurrection.
The rest was the comment that so many today wouldn't accept Christ as God /
Messiah if he walked up an introduced Himself or even smacked you to get
your attention.
Budd
And it is further writ in the Book of Athy: "Verily, idiots will post nonsense to atheist
newsgroups, and smugly accept air-Nobel-prizes for superior argumentation."
You have fulfilled the prophecy.
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15 Jan 2008 04:07:49 PM |
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[snips]
First things first: will you at least learn how to post? Top posting
makes you look like more of a moron than you already appear to be. On to
the message:
[top-posting idiocy fixed]
On Fri, 11 Jan 2008 13:22:41 -0700, Budd Cochran wrote:
"Robibnikoff" <witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote in message
news:5upp41F1j1lshU1@mid.individual.net...
"Budd Cochran" <mr.establishment440@bresnan.net> wrotesnip
"What an evil and perverse generation that seeks after a sign ... " If
God smacked you on the head, you wouldn't believe.
Funny, but I always lying was considered a sin in your religion.
It is, and you prove you believe in sin with that comment.
You *cannot* be retarded enough to actually believe what you just wrote,
can you? No, this must be a joke, nobody could be that stupid.
She didn't say she believed in sin, she said that sin was a concept in
your religion, like giant sand worm is a concept in Dune.
No, you really can't be that stupid, it *has* to be a put on.
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15 Jan 2008 05:45:41 PM |
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On Jan 15, 3:07=A0pm, Kelsey Bjarnason <kbjarna...@gmail.com> wrote:
[snips]
First things first: will you at least learn how to post? =A0Top posting
makes you look like more of a moron than you already appear to be. =A0On t=
o
the message:
[top-posting idiocy fixed]
On Fri, 11 Jan 2008 13:22:41 -0700, Budd Cochran wrote:
"Robibnikoff" <witchy...@broomstick.com> wrote in message
news:5upp41F1j1lshU1@mid.individual.net...
"Budd Cochran" <mr.establishment...@bresnan.net> wrotesnip
"What an evil and perverse generation that seeks after a sign ... " If=
God smacked you on the head, you wouldn't believe.
Funny, but I always lying was considered a sin in your religion.
It is, and you prove you believe in sin with that comment.
You *cannot* be retarded enough to actually believe what you just wrote,
can you? =A0No, this must be a joke, nobody could be that stupid.
She didn't say she believed in sin, she said that sin was a concept in
your religion, like giant sand worm is a concept in Dune.
No, you really can't be that stupid, it *has* to be a put on.
Unfortunately, Kelsey, he *really is* that stupid. So was I, when I
was an itty-bitty fundy; it's the nature of the beast. They don't
teach them to reason (they don't *want* them to reason), and they
sure as hell don't let them get their "facts" from any other source
that the Babble.
Brenda Nelson, A.A.#34
EAC Professor of Feline Thermometrics and Cat-Herding
skyeyes nine at cox dot net
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16 Jan 2008 01:46:25 AM |
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[snips]
On Tue, 15 Jan 2008 15:45:41 -0800, SkyEyes wrote:
Unfortunately, Kelsey, he *really is* that stupid. So was I, when I
was an itty-bitty fundy; it's the nature of the beast.
Hard to buy that you were. The obvious counter-argument is that you got
better, a feat requiring some degree of mental acuity, which suggests you
could not have been there (or you got a brain transplant, which would be
something of a medical marvel).
Assuming you really were as dunderheaded as herr nitwit there, *how* did
you overcome it? Is it something we could release into the water supply,
to cure the disease?
--
Fundamentalism: The sagacity of Bozo and the wit of Hitler.
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| User: "Don Martin" |
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15 Jan 2008 06:59:19 PM |
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On Tue, 15 Jan 2008 14:07:49 -0800, Kelsey Bjarnason <kbjarnason@gmail.com>
wrote:
[snips]
First things first: will you at least learn how to post? Top posting
makes you look like more of a moron than you already appear to be. On to
the message:
[top-posting idiocy fixed]
On Fri, 11 Jan 2008 13:22:41 -0700, Budd Cochran wrote:
"Robibnikoff" <witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote in message
news:5upp41F1j1lshU1@mid.individual.net...
"Budd Cochran" <mr.establishment440@bresnan.net> wrotesnip
"What an evil and perverse generation that seeks after a sign ... " If
God smacked you on the head, you wouldn't believe.
Funny, but I always lying was considered a sin in your religion.
It is, and you prove you believe in sin with that comment.
You *cannot* be retarded enough to actually believe what you just wrote,
can you? No, this must be a joke, nobody could be that stupid.
She didn't say she believed in sin, she said that sin was a concept in
your religion, like giant sand worm is a concept in Dune.
No, you really can't be that stupid, it *has* to be a put on.
Ah, Kelsey, forever taking the optimistic view of the possibilities of mankind.
You are an inspiration to us all!
aa #2278 If you can't be a dirty old man, what is the point of being an old man?
Through a jaundiced eye darkly--rheum with a view.
The Squeeky Wheel http://home.comcast.net/~drdonmartin/
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15 Jan 2008 04:53:28 PM |
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On Tue, 15 Jan 2008 14:07:49 -0800, Kelsey Bjarnason <kbjarnason@gmail.com> wrote:
[snips]
First things first: will you at least learn how to post? Top posting
makes you look like more of a moron than you already appear to be. On to
the message:
[top-posting idiocy fixed]
On Fri, 11 Jan 2008 13:22:41 -0700, Budd Cochran wrote:
"Robibnikoff" <witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote in message
news:5upp41F1j1lshU1@mid.individual.net...
"Budd Cochran" <mr.establishment440@bresnan.net> wrotesnip
"What an evil and perverse generation that seeks after a sign ... " If
God smacked you on the head, you wouldn't believe.
Funny, but I always lying was considered a sin in your religion.
It is, and you prove you believe in sin with that comment.
You *cannot* be retarded enough to actually believe what you just wrote,
can you? No, this must be a joke, nobody could be that stupid.
She didn't say she believed in sin, she said that sin was a concept in
your religion, like giant sand worm is a concept in Dune.
No, you really can't be that stupid, it *has* to be a put on.
Hard to discern, ain't it?
Fundy proselytizing to atheists imitates Loki trolling, or Loki . . . you can save me
the typing.
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16 Jan 2008 09:29:07 AM |
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"Apostate" <godless.*****@yeehaw.org.invalid> wrote in message
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On Tue, 15 Jan 2008 14:07:49 -0800, Kelsey Bjarnason
<kbjarnason@gmail.com> wrote:
[snips]
First things first: will you at least learn how to post? Top posting
makes you look like more of a moron than you already appear to be. On to
the message:
[top-posting idiocy fixed]
On Fri, 11 Jan 2008 13:22:41 -0700, Budd Cochran wrote:
"Robibnikoff" <witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote in message
news:5upp41F1j1lshU1@mid.individual.net...
"Budd Cochran" <mr.establishment440@bresnan.net> wrotesnip
"What an evil and perverse generation that seeks after a sign ... " If
God smacked you on the head, you wouldn't believe.
Funny, but I always lying was considered a sin in your religion.
It is, and you prove you believe in sin with that comment.
You *cannot* be retarded enough to actually believe what you just wrote,
can you? No, this must be a joke, nobody could be that stupid.
She didn't say she believed in sin, she said that sin was a concept in
your religion, like giant sand worm is a concept in Dune.
No, you really can't be that stupid, it *has* to be a put on.
Hard to discern, ain't it?
Fundy proselytizing to atheists imitates Loki trolling, or Loki . . . you
can save me
the typing.
Ah well, it appears the moron has run off anyway ;)
--
Robyn
Resident Witchypoo
BAAWA Knight!
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| User: "les_on_usenet" |
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11 Jan 2008 12:55:30 PM |
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On Fri, 11 Jan 2008 10:55:35 -0700, "Budd Cochran"
<mr.establishment440@bresnan.net> wrote:
Been there, tried them and they came up lacking. Even tried atheism ... what
a waste of time.
How do you 'try' atheism?
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Les Hellawell
Greetings from
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| User: "Pastor Frank" |
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13 Jan 2008 03:01:11 PM |
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"les_on_usenet" <delete-unread@leswell.freeuk.com> wrote in message
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On Fri, 11 Jan 2008 10:55:35 -0700, "Budd Cochran"
<mr.establishment440@bresnan.net> wrote:
Been there, tried them and they came up lacking. Even tried atheism ...
what
a waste of time.
How do you 'try' atheism?
Les Hellawell
Greetings from
YORKSHIRE - The White Rose County
Be secular humanist residue. Most of us came out of our atheist
educational system that way.
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13 Jan 2008 05:00:36 PM |
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On Sun, 13 Jan 2008 16:01:11 -0500, "Pastor Frank"
<PF@christfirst.edu> wrote:
Be secular humanist residue.
Noted
Most of us came out of our atheist
educational system that way.
I went to a state funded Church of England School though the
the act of Christian worship daily is mandated in all state
schools as part of a morning assembly . (parents can opt
children out if they wish)
The UK is officially a Christian nation with the Queen, "The
defender of faith" an 'honour' granted in perpuity by the
Pope to Henry VIII for writing a tract condemning the
Hugenots (early protestants) . If you remember they were
massacred by other Christians for heresy an act for which the
then Pope expressed satisfaction.
The iroy of course is that Henry made himself head
of the church in England ousting the Pope starting us on the
road to protestantism and the beginning of the disintegration
of Christianty down to the fragmented level it is today.
--
Les Hellawell
Greetings from
YORKSHIRE - The White Rose County
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11 Jan 2008 02:24:45 PM |
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How do you try Christianity?
I looked into it, studied it's precepts and found nothing there for me, no
hope, no comfort, no love, no confidence in anything.
And now you know why I say atheism is nothing.
Budd
"les_on_usenet" <delete-unread@leswell.freeuk.com> wrote in message
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On Fri, 11 Jan 2008 10:55:35 -0700, "Budd Cochran"
<mr.establishment440@bresnan.net> wrote:
Been there, tried them and they came up lacking. Even tried atheism ...
what
a waste of time.
How do you 'try' atheism?
--
Les Hellawell
Greetings from
YORKSHIRE - The White Rose County
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11 Jan 2008 04:17:31 PM |
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"Budd Cochran" <mr.establishment440@bresnan.net> wrote in message
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How do you try Christianity?
I looked into it, studied it's precepts and found nothing there for me, no
hope, no comfort, no love, no confidence in anything.
And now you know why I say atheism is nothing.
What makes you think we care?
--
Robyn
Resident Witchypoo
BAAWA Knight!
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| User: "les_on_usenet" |
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11 Jan 2008 04:00:32 PM |
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On Fri, 11 Jan 2008 13:24:45 -0700, "Budd Cochran"
<mr.establishment440@bresnan.net> wrote:
GO TO START:
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DIVERSION:
How do you try Christianity?
No idea, never tried it though it appears horrendous
judging by the considerable degree of hatred that comes
from its adherents. I get the distinct impression it is best
avoided.
I looked into it, studied it's precepts and found nothing there for me, no
hope, no comfort, no love, no confidence in anything.
So you lied when you said you' tried it'?
And whose writings did you look at?
And now you know why I say atheism is nothing.
Well yes atheism is not a movement or a philosophy
bt simply absence of belief in god or gods as defined
and claimed by others. It is just a position based on
common sense we hold and nothing more
You are also right it does not offer hope as being atheist
is just absence of belief. Nor does it need offer hope as
hope comes from within us not from some philosophy.
Again it is not about love since it is merely absence of belief.
We are born with love along with the other human emotion
upon which our very survival depends, so have no need to
seek it elsewhere. As for confidence knowing that we can
stand on our own two feet without imaginary rods and staffs
to support us adds to the confidence that is within me.
I am sorry that you fewk you were are so lacking in these qualities
that you needed to search for them elsewhere perhaps in
drugs or drink (something I have never felt the desire to
do) but there but for the grace of providence go I. Sorry I
cannot help you but if you have found these things you seem
to search in ignorance and superstition then good
for you. Your happiness is my happiness for how can
I be truly happy and content when others are in misery?
GO TO CONTINUATION:
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START:
"les_on_usenet" <delete-unread@leswell.freeuk.com> wrote in message
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On Fri, 11 Jan 2008 10:55:35 -0700, "Budd Cochran"
<mr.establishment440@bresnan.net> wrote:
Been there, tried them and they came up lacking. Even tried atheism ...
what
a waste of time.
How do you 'try' atheism?
GO TO DIVERSION
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14 Jan 2008 03:06:33 PM |
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"les_on_usenet" <delete-unread@leswell.freeuk.com> wrote in message
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Well yes atheism is not a movement or a philosophy
bt simply absence of belief in god or gods as defined
and claimed by others. It is just a position based on
common sense we hold and nothing more
Our Christian "God is love" (1 John 4:8,16) become fully manifested in
Jesus Christ giving His life for us sinners on the cross of Calvary. We
therefore know our God and have seen Him. (Jesus in John 14:6-10)
Atheists don't know our God and therefore cannot recognise Him, (Jesus
in John 3:3) Your "position" that you don't believe in love is ludicrouis to
the extreme. However we join you not believing in that atheist god of yours,
that invisible old divinity in the sky, which most certainly does not exist.
You are also right it does not offer hope as being atheist
is just absence of belief. Nor does it need offer hope as
hope comes from within us not from some philosophy.
The "absence of belief in love" of the magnitude of Christ does indeed
"not offer hope" and is a tragedy.
Again it is not about love since it is merely absence of belief.
You just said that you don't believe in love nor have faith in it, for
our Christian God IS love.
We are born with love along with the other human emotion
upon which our very survival depends, so have no need to
seek it elsewhere. As for confidence knowing that we can
stand on our own two feet without imaginary rods and staffs
to support us adds to the confidence that is within me.
We are talking of the kind of love Christ demonstrated ...to the very
death on the cross, if need be, not the "love" emotion you are born with,
and which people prostitute only too often.
I am sorry that you fewk you were are so lacking in these qualities
that you needed to search for them elsewhere perhaps in
drugs or drink (something I have never felt the desire to
do) but there but for the grace of providence go I.
It's not about "searching for " love, but BE loving and caring, ...to
the death if need be, even to the unlovely, because you choose to BE that
way, not because of some inborn emotion making you do what comes natural.
Sorry I
cannot help you but if you have found these things you seem
to search in ignorance and superstition then good
for you. Your happiness is my happiness for how can
I be truly happy and content when others are in misery?
Christ our example, Lord and Saviour, is NOT "superstition". Untold
numbers of Martyrs followed Him into martyrdom for the sake of love. For
Christ is our inspiration and source of ardour. Who or what is yours?
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16 Jan 2008 04:26:03 AM |
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On Mon, 14 Jan 2008 16:06:33 -0500, "Pastor Frank"
<PF@christfirst.edu> wrote:
"les_on_usenet" <delete-unread@leswell.freeuk.com> wrote in message
news:gbofo35rjmatlsdmbv4vueu0bgllncd27i@4ax.com...
Well yes atheism is not a movement or a philosophy
bt simply absence of belief in god or gods as defined
and claimed by others. It is just a position based on
common sense we hold and nothing more
Our Christian "God is love" (1 John 4:8,16) become fully manifested in
Jesus Christ giving His life for us sinners on the cross of Calvary. We
therefore know our God and have seen Him. (Jesus in John 14:6-10)
Atheists don't know our God and therefore cannot recognise Him, (Jesus
in John 3:3) Your "position" that you don't believe in love is ludicrouis to
the extreme. However we join you not believing in that atheist god of yours,
that invisible old divinity in the sky, which most certainly does not exist.
You are also right it does not offer hope as being atheist
is just absence of belief. Nor does it need offer hope as
hope comes from within us not from some philosophy.
The "absence of belief in love" of the magnitude of Christ does indeed
"not offer hope" and is a tragedy.
Again it is not about love since it is merely absence of belief.
You just said that you don't believe in love nor have faith in it, for
our Christian God IS love.
Love requires neither belief nor faith as we are born with it
know it and practise it. That is why we need not search for it
as it is within all of us.
We are born with love along with the other human emotion
upon which our very survival depends, so have no need to
seek it elsewhere. As for confidence knowing that we can
stand on our own two feet without imaginary rods and staffs
to support us adds to the confidence that is within me.
We are talking of the kind of love Christ demonstrated ...to the very
death on the cross, if need be, not the "love" emotion you are born with,
Yer we know.
and which people prostitute only too often.
I am not responsible for how others act.
I am sorry that you fewk you were are so lacking in these qualities
that you needed to search for them elsewhere perhaps in
drugs or drink (something I have never felt the desire to
do) but there but for the grace of providence go I.
It's not about "searching for " love, but BE loving and caring, ...
I am pleased you agree with me here.
to
the death if need be, even to the unlovely, because you choose to BE that
way, not because of some inborn emotion making you do what comes natural.
That's right we are also born with the ability to hate as shown
by a constant desire some people have to scorn, to denigrate and tear
down things of value as well. I choose the path of love. What path
did you choose?
Sorry I
cannot help you but if you have found these things you seem
to search in ignorance and superstition then good
for you. Your happiness is my happiness for how can
I be truly happy and content when others are in misery?
Christ our example, Lord and Saviour, is NOT "superstition".
If you say so.
Untold
numbers of Martyrs followed Him into martyrdom for the sake of love. For
Christ is our inspiration and source of ardour. Who or what is yours?
Too many to mention. I see it everywhere.
Only you seek to deny me this. My wife does not, my mother does
not, nor any of my friends and relatives , nor have any of the
atheists on this newsgroups. Only you Frank, only you.
On Tue, 1 Jan 2008 21:01:51 -0500, "Pastor Frank" <PF@christfirst.edu>
wrote:
To find things wrong ...exclusively, is atheist doctrine, Les. That is
why you cannot see, nor recognise "joy and happiness" in others.
I see no sign of contrition from you from this very nasty and
hatefull comment but I have already forgiven you so you have
no need to apologise.
--
Les Hellawell
Greetings from
YORKSHIRE - The White Rose County
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11 Jan 2008 11:27:25 AM |
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On 10 Jan 2008 20:47:02 -0600, bob young <alaspectrum@netvigator.com>
wrote:
Why is it too hard to grasp that an atheist is somebody in the real
world, who doesn't happen to be theist?
How hard is it for you to grasp that you could be wrong?
Very hard. Atheists say, show me your god, then we will believe it, until then
we assume it is simply mythology
Is that what the brainwashed moron meant?
I took it as him lying that I was wrong about what an atheist is.
Which is standard sociopathic nastiness from theists who for some
reason can't let us be what we actually are.
But either way, he is incapable of grasping the real world or his
religion's place among the hundreds of others that are only taken
seriously by their believers.
There seem to be two kinds of theists - those who understand the real
world beyond their religion, and those who imagine their religion's
presumptions apply outside it.
This moron is definitely one of the latter.
He's so stupid he imagines he gets to invent positions for us that we
don't even have, based on presumptions that don't even apply outside
his religion.
Of course, you'd
have to try to understand things you've been conditioned by the secular
humanists to disbelieve . . .yep, brainwashing lives.
Why do you feel you have to invent positions we don't have that rest
on presumptions that only theists have as part of their religion?
Concerning the subject of "Supreme Beings", Atheists believe there is/are no
god, gods, or God, in other words, NOTHING.
How is that incorrect?
We've told him now several times.
Budd
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