| Topic: |
Religions > Atheism |
| User: |
"Bill M" |
| Date: |
04 Nov 2007 06:24:13 AM |
| Object: |
DOES ANY GOD EXIST? |
There is NO objective verifiable evidence for the existence of ANY gods.
Lots of opinions but NO evidence! God beliefs are no more sound or realistic
than beliefs in Santa Claus and the Tooth Fairy
Evidence of gods;
There is NO objective verifiable evidence any gods have ever spoken to any
sane men. There is only the 'subjective opinions' of errant men.
There is NO objective verifiable evidence any gods have ever appeared to any
sane men. There is only the 'subjective opinions' of errant men.
Why does this all powerful god creator never communicate with us? Why does
he never authenticate his very existence?
There is NO objective verifiable evidence that any Heavens, Hells, Gods,
Spirits, Angels or Saints actually exist except in the imaginations of man.
There is a wealth of objective verifiable material evidence that NO gods
actually exist.
Why does this all powerful creator, all loving and caring intelligent
designer, create Plagues, Tsunamis, Tornadoes, Volcanic Eruptions, Floods,
Wars, Earth Quakes, Cancers and hundreds of debilitating diseases and
serious body malfunctions? There are 12,000 known diseases that affect and
punish mankind indiscriminately. Why does he permit millions of both young
and old to starve to death or die of miserable diseases? Why punish millions
of INNOCENT CHILDREN in this horrible way?
Why does this all powerful and caring god permit totally "innocent children"
to die at birth? Or worse, be born lacking eyesight, a fully developed
brain, deaf and dumb, missing limbs etc.? Why are some born idiots and
others with super intelligence? Why are some born into wealth and others
pauper poor? Why does he permit over 2,000,000 innocent children to die of
starvation every year? Why are his human creations designed to deteriorate
into a miserable and devastating old age regardless of their religious
affiliation?
God supposedly created the world like it is, to punish man for Adam and Eve's
'original sin'. Why does he also punish supposedly innocent children and
animals with thousands of diseases, birth defects, starvation and to be
eaten by other animals?
Why did this all powerful and loving creator create things like sharks,
jelly fish, octopus, lions, tigers, rhinoceros, wolves, poisonous snakes,
stinging and poisonous insects, poisonous plants etc.? Why did this caring
and benevolent god create animals (including man) that need to painfully
kill and eat other animals to survive?
World War I claimed 9,000,000 lives of people of many religious faiths.
World II indiscriminately claimed over 20,000,000 lives of people of all
ages and religious faiths, plus a vast destruction of property and more
millions maimed for life.
The recent Asian Tsunami has claimed the lives of 200,000 men, women and
children of all religious persuasions. Over 100,000 of these were totally
INNOCENT children!
There were three major epidemics of the Bubonic Plaque - in the 6th, 14th.
and 17th centuries. The death toll was over 137 million men, women and
totally innocent children.
The influenza of 1918-1919 killed at least 25 million men, women and
innocent children indiscriminately.
Diseases like malaria, AIDS, tuberculosis, etc. maim and kill millions
indiscriminately every year. More millions die of starvation and
malnutrition.
These indiscriminately afflicted the young and old, atheists and those of
all religious persuasions.
Meanwhile MAN, not god, has developed defenses and cures for hundreds of
serious diseases. Man has learned to create shelter, heat and cooling,
purify water, world wide electronic communications, power and transportation
systems including flying through the air.
Man has created a wonderful medical and drug system and improved housing and
food production. The result of MAN'S inventiveness has
DOUBLED the average life span. None of this was created by any gods.
Perhaps your loving and caring god is actually a cruel, heartless, mean and
torturing tyrant. If he treats us so cruelly during life, why do you think
he will let us enjoy peace and eternal happiness in his Heaven? And why does
he keep all this a secret by preventing communication with our dead parents,
siblings and friends? (Or this god?)
There are thousands of different religious and god beliefs but NO OBJECTIVE
VERIFIABLE EVIDENCE for the actual existence of ANY of these gods. ALL god
beliefs are based on the unsubstantiated 'opinions and claims' of errant
men.
If there is a god that created the Universe, he is obviously not an
all-caring and benevolent god. Nor is he an "Intelligent Designer". The
objective evidence is if there is a god creator, he has NO concern about the
welfare of the creatures on Earth.
The objective evidence is that no gods created man but quite the opposite;
that man created gods!
I challenge god believers to supply ANY objective verifiable evidence that
their god actually exists except in their over active imaginations.
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| User: "Pastor Frank" |
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| Title: Re: DOES ANY GOD EXIST? |
11 Nov 2007 04:32:27 AM |
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"bob young" <alaspectrum@netvigator.com> wrote in message
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Pastor Frank wrote:
"bob young" <alaspectrum@netvigator.com> wrote in message
news:4735340B.ABA4E18@netvigator.com...
Pastor Frank wrote:
"bob young" <alaspectrum@netvigator.com> wrote in message
news:4734311E.DA6F77C9@netvigator.com...
Pastor Frank wrote:
"bob young" <alaspectrum@netvigator.com> wrote in message
news:47329546.1B0CE20C@netvigator.com...
Bill M wrote:
There is NO objective verifiable evidence for the existence of
ANY
gods.
Lots of opinions but NO evidence! God beliefs are no more sound
or
realistic
than beliefs in Santa Claus and the Tooth Fairy
Gods exist only in the imagination of, in the main, frightened
humans,
including some that suffer from raging insecurity complexes.
Others, the majority, join a church and then believe and follow
what
the
Pastors
tell them because they feel it is the right and correct thing to
do.
They are generally nice people but regrettably still people
labouring
under
misconceptions.
No "misconception" on our part, Bob. But you certainly have a
misconception about what the word "god" means. That word doesn't
mean
an
invisible old man in the sky above them thar clouds, like your
grand
pappy
told you,
Back then it was pastors like you who taught my grandpappy that god
was
up there above the clouds, he didn't imagine it all by himself,
along
with
a
church full of like minded people
[as you full well know]
So what has changed Frank?
Reality? Credibility? Progressabilty? Factuality?
Perpetuality?
Sanity?
Looks like your reading and comprehension skills haven't improved
over
those of your grand pappy, who also merely regurgitated what he was
told,
instead of reading up on it himself, interpreting sensibly......
....and seems your intellect and desire for honesty fails to run to
dealing
with my points in a logical manner.
'nuff said - exposed for what it is.......
Christianity moves the goal posts constantly as more asnd more nonsense
is
expodsed, usually by the steady march of scientific progress.
Tell us how "scientific progress" changes people's character for the
better making them more loving and caring after the image of Christ?
Scientific progress exposes superstition and silly nonsense. Character
and
goodness are intrinsic attributes in some humans but not all. These
attributes
are frequently latched onto by the priesthood and claimed for themselves
to
further their influence over others - a kind if 'clerical theft'
But you know all about that
If you have better method than religion, to improve upon the quality of
man's actions, then advocate it already. All you seem to do is trash other
people's methods, just because atheist doctrine requires you to do so, not
because you can show atheism gets better results.
--
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| User: "bob young" |
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| Title: Re: DOES ANY GOD EXIST? |
11 Nov 2007 06:55:03 AM |
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Pastor Frank wrote:
"bob young" <alaspectrum@netvigator.com> wrote in message
news:4736536F.32D3B52A@netvigator.com...
Pastor Frank wrote:
"bob young" <alaspectrum@netvigator.com> wrote in message
news:4735340B.ABA4E18@netvigator.com...
Pastor Frank wrote:
"bob young" <alaspectrum@netvigator.com> wrote in message
news:4734311E.DA6F77C9@netvigator.com...
Pastor Frank wrote:
"bob young" <alaspectrum@netvigator.com> wrote in message
news:47329546.1B0CE20C@netvigator.com...
Bill M wrote:
There is NO objective verifiable evidence for the existence of
ANY
gods.
Lots of opinions but NO evidence! God beliefs are no more sound
or
realistic
than beliefs in Santa Claus and the Tooth Fairy
Gods exist only in the imagination of, in the main, frightened
humans,
including some that suffer from raging insecurity complexes.
Others, the majority, join a church and then believe and follow
what
the
Pastors
tell them because they feel it is the right and correct thing to
do.
They are generally nice people but regrettably still people
labouring
under
misconceptions.
No "misconception" on our part, Bob. But you certainly have a
misconception about what the word "god" means. That word doesn't
mean
an
invisible old man in the sky above them thar clouds, like your
grand
pappy
told you,
Back then it was pastors like you who taught my grandpappy that god
was
up there above the clouds, he didn't imagine it all by himself,
along
with
a
church full of like minded people
[as you full well know]
So what has changed Frank?
Reality? Credibility? Progressabilty? Factuality?
Perpetuality?
Sanity?
Looks like your reading and comprehension skills haven't improved
over
those of your grand pappy, who also merely regurgitated what he was
told,
instead of reading up on it himself, interpreting sensibly......
....and seems your intellect and desire for honesty fails to run to
dealing
with my points in a logical manner.
'nuff said - exposed for what it is.......
Christianity moves the goal posts constantly as more asnd more nonsense
is
expodsed, usually by the steady march of scientific progress.
Tell us how "scientific progress" changes people's character for the
better making them more loving and caring after the image of Christ?
Scientific progress exposes superstition and silly nonsense. Character
and
goodness are intrinsic attributes in some humans but not all. These
attributes
are frequently latched onto by the priesthood and claimed for themselves
to
further their influence over others - a kind if 'clerical theft'
But you know all about that
If you have better method than religion, to improve upon the quality of
man's actions,
Everyone who goes to church has already demonstrated to themselves and to
others that their quality of actions are of the highest calibre.
A large majority of others who do not attend church are of the same ilk.
One thing we can be sure of, those who cheat others out of their hard earned
savings would not be seen inside a church.
So those attending church and following religious beliefs are seeking
reinforcement of what they already know and desire.
then advocate it already. All you seem to do is trash other
people's methods, just because atheist doctrine requires you to do so, not
because you can show atheism gets better results.
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| User: "BuddyThunder" |
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| Title: Re: DOES ANY GOD EXIST? |
24 Nov 2007 10:41:17 PM |
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Pastor Frank wrote:
"bob young" <alaspectrum@netvigator.com> wrote in message
news:4735340B.ABA4E18@netvigator.com...
Pastor Frank wrote:
"bob young" <alaspectrum@netvigator.com> wrote in message
news:4734311E.DA6F77C9@netvigator.com...
Pastor Frank wrote:
"bob young" <alaspectrum@netvigator.com> wrote in message
news:47329546.1B0CE20C@netvigator.com...
Bill M wrote:
There is NO objective verifiable evidence for the existence of ANY
gods.
Lots of opinions but NO evidence! God beliefs are no more sound or
realistic
than beliefs in Santa Claus and the Tooth Fairy
Gods exist only in the imagination of, in the main, frightened
humans,
including some that suffer from raging insecurity complexes.
Others, the majority, join a church and then believe and follow what
the
Pastors
tell them because they feel it is the right and correct thing to do.
They are generally nice people but regrettably still people
labouring
under
misconceptions.
No "misconception" on our part, Bob. But you certainly have a
misconception about what the word "god" means. That word doesn't mean
an
invisible old man in the sky above them thar clouds, like your grand
pappy
told you,
Back then it was pastors like you who taught my grandpappy that god was
up there above the clouds, he didn't imagine it all by himself, along
with
a
church full of like minded people
[as you full well know]
So what has changed Frank?
Reality? Credibility? Progressabilty? Factuality?
Perpetuality?
Sanity?
Looks like your reading and comprehension skills haven't improved
over
those of your grand pappy, who also merely regurgitated what he was told,
instead of reading up on it himself, interpreting sensibly......
....and seems your intellect and desire for honesty fails to run to
dealing
with my points in a logical manner.
'nuff said - exposed for what it is.......
Christianity moves the goal posts constantly as more asnd more nonsense is
expodsed, usually by the steady march of scientific progress.
Tell us how "scientific progress" changes people's character for the
better making them more loving and caring after the image of Christ?
Okay, I abandoned my god beliefs when my knowledge of the naturalistic
explanations for the way the universe is became sufficient. It was too
hard to maintain belief in the face of an understandable, natural
universe and a stony, silent god. I stopped trying to convert people,
and started respecting them instead. "Loving and caring after the image
of Christ" meaningless in this context.
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| User: "Pastor Frank" |
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| Title: Re: DOES ANY GOD EXIST? |
29 Nov 2007 03:53:18 AM |
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"BuddyThunder" <nospam@paradise.net.nz> wrote in message
news:4748fcee$1@clear.net.nz...
Pastor Frank wrote:
"bob young" <alaspectrum@netvigator.com> wrote in message
news:4735340B.ABA4E18@netvigator.com...
Pastor Frank wrote:
"bob young" <alaspectrum@netvigator.com> wrote in message
news:4734311E.DA6F77C9@netvigator.com...
Pastor Frank wrote:
"bob young" <alaspectrum@netvigator.com> wrote in message
news:47329546.1B0CE20C@netvigator.com...
Bill M wrote:
There is NO objective verifiable evidence for the existence of ANY
gods.
Lots of opinions but NO evidence! God beliefs are no more sound or
realistic than beliefs in Santa Claus and the Tooth Fairy
Gods exist only in the imagination of, in the main, frightened
humans,
including some that suffer from raging insecurity complexes.
Others, the majority, join a church and then believe and follow what
the Pastors
tell them because they feel it is the right and correct thing to do.
They are generally nice people but regrettably still people
labouring under misconceptions.
No "misconception" on our part, Bob. But you certainly have a
misconception about what the word "god" means. That word doesn't mean
an invisible old man in the sky above them thar clouds, like your
grand
pappy told you,
Back then it was pastors like you who taught my grandpappy that god
was
up there above the clouds, he didn't imagine it all by himself, along
with a church full of like minded people [as you full well know]
So what has changed Frank?
Reality? Credibility? Progressabilty? Factuality?
Perpetuality?
Sanity?
Looks like your reading and comprehension skills haven't improved
over
those of your grand pappy, who also merely regurgitated what he was
told,
instead of reading up on it himself, interpreting sensibly......
....and seems your intellect and desire for honesty fails to run to
dealing with my points in a logical manner.
'nuff said - exposed for what it is.......
Christianity moves the goal posts constantly as more asnd more nonsense
is
expodsed, usually by the steady march of scientific progress.
Tell us how "scientific progress" changes people's character for the
better making them more loving and caring after the image of Christ?
Okay, I abandoned my god beliefs when my knowledge of the naturalistic
explanations for the way the universe is became sufficient. It was too
hard to maintain belief in the face of an understandable, natural universe
and a stony, silent god. I stopped trying to convert people, and started
respecting them instead. "Loving and caring after the image of Christ"
meaningless in this context.
Glad you "respect" people ...unto death if need be, instead of loving
them. It's a step forward, though in no way a product of "scientific
progress".
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| User: "Broderick Crawford ilililililil" |
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| Title: Re: DOES ANY GOD EXIST? |
05 Nov 2007 07:26:03 AM |
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Bill M wrote:
There is NO objective verifiable evidence for the existence of ANY gods.
Lots of opinions but NO evidence! God beliefs are no more sound or realistic
than beliefs in Santa Claus and the Tooth Fairy
Of course there is no god, it is obvious to anyone half awake.
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| User: "Pastor Frank" |
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| Title: Re: DOES ANY GOD EXIST? |
06 Nov 2007 12:45:38 AM |
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"Broderick Crawford ilililililil" <bcrawford2150@roadrunner.com> wrote in
message news:472f1803$0$20593$4c368faf@roadrunner.com...
Bill M wrote:
There is NO objective verifiable evidence for the existence of ANY gods.
Lots of opinions but NO evidence! God beliefs are no more sound or
realistic
than beliefs in Santa Claus and the Tooth Fairy
Of course there is no god, it is obvious to anyone half awake.
We agree. There is indeed no god of your definition, for you make sure
of that by giving the word "god" the most ridiculous definition you can
think of. On the other hand our God does exist, for our Christian "God is
love" (1 John 4:8,16) become fully manifested in Jesus Christ giving His
life for us sinners on the cross of Calvary. We therefore know our God and
have seen Him. (Jesus in John 14:6-10)
Atheists don't know our God and therefore cannot see Him, (Jesus in
John 3:3)
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| User: "Geoff" |
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| Title: Re: DOES ANY GOD EXIST? |
06 Nov 2007 07:07:29 AM |
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Pastor Frank wrote:
"Broderick Crawford ilililililil" <bcrawford2150@roadrunner.com>
wrote in message news:472f1803$0$20593$4c368faf@roadrunner.com...
Bill M wrote:
There is NO objective verifiable evidence for the existence of ANY
gods. Lots of opinions but NO evidence! God beliefs are no more
sound or realistic
than beliefs in Santa Claus and the Tooth Fairy
Of course there is no god, it is obvious to anyone half awake.
We agree. There is indeed no god
Thanks. Now shut the ***** up and GFY.
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| User: "Pastor Frank" |
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| Title: Re: DOES ANY GOD EXIST? |
07 Nov 2007 06:42:00 PM |
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"Geoff" <gebobs@yahoo.nospam.com> wrote in message
news:y7ydndKvFbGI-q3anZ2dnUVZWhednZ2d@giganews.com...
Pastor Frank wrote:
"Broderick Crawford ilililililil" <bcrawford2150@roadrunner.com>
wrote in message news:472f1803$0$20593$4c368faf@roadrunner.com...
Bill M wrote:
There is NO objective verifiable evidence for the existence of ANY
gods. Lots of opinions but NO evidence! God beliefs are no more
sound or realistic
than beliefs in Santa Claus and the Tooth Fairy
Of course there is no god, it is obvious to anyone half awake.
We agree. There is indeed no god
Thanks. Now shut the ***** up and GFY.
LOL a religionist after all? You will do anything to defend your views
even by truncating your opponent's posts. That's a sure sign that atheism
has become your religion,
I said: There is indeed no god of atheist definition, for atheists make
sure of that by defining their gods as ludicrously as possible, just to make
quite sure it doesn't exist. LOL
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| User: "BuddyThunder" |
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| Title: Re: DOES ANY GOD EXIST? |
24 Nov 2007 10:35:57 PM |
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Pastor Frank wrote:
"Geoff" <gebobs@yahoo.nospam.com> wrote in message
news:y7ydndKvFbGI-q3anZ2dnUVZWhednZ2d@giganews.com...
Pastor Frank wrote:
"Broderick Crawford ilililililil" <bcrawford2150@roadrunner.com>
wrote in message news:472f1803$0$20593$4c368faf@roadrunner.com...
Bill M wrote:
There is NO objective verifiable evidence for the existence of ANY
gods. Lots of opinions but NO evidence! God beliefs are no more
sound or realistic
than beliefs in Santa Claus and the Tooth Fairy
Of course there is no god, it is obvious to anyone half awake.
We agree. There is indeed no god
Thanks. Now shut the ***** up and GFY.
LOL a religionist after all? You will do anything to defend your views
even by truncating your opponent's posts. That's a sure sign that atheism
has become your religion,
I said: There is indeed no god of atheist definition, for atheists make
sure of that by defining their gods as ludicrously as possible, just to make
quite sure it doesn't exist. LOL
I'll concede one point: Christians define their gods ludicrously enough
without needing any atheist's help.
Shame that there's still no reason to believe.
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| User: "Pastor Frank" |
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| Title: Re: DOES ANY GOD EXIST? |
28 Nov 2007 09:27:26 PM |
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"BuddyThunder" <nospam@paradise.net.nz> wrote in message
news:4748fbae$1@clear.net.nz...
Pastor Frank wrote:
"Geoff" <gebobs@yahoo.nospam.com> wrote in message
news:y7ydndKvFbGI-q3anZ2dnUVZWhednZ2d@giganews.com...
Pastor Frank wrote:
"Broderick Crawford ilililililil" <bcrawford2150@roadrunner.com>
wrote in message news:472f1803$0$20593$4c368faf@roadrunner.com...
Bill M wrote:
There is NO objective verifiable evidence for the existence of ANY
gods. Lots of opinions but NO evidence! God beliefs are no more
sound or realistic
than beliefs in Santa Claus and the Tooth Fairy
Of course there is no god, it is obvious to anyone half awake.
We agree. There is indeed no god
Thanks. Now shut the ***** up and GFY.
LOL a religionist after all? You will do anything to defend your
views even by truncating your opponent's posts. That's a sure sign that
atheism has become your religion,
I said: There is indeed no god of atheist definition, for atheists
make sure of that by defining their gods as ludicrously as possible, just
to make quite sure it doesn't exist. LOL
I'll concede one point: Christians define their gods ludicrously enough
without needing any atheist's help.
Shame that there's still no reason to believe.
Don't give up. Just come up with something more worthwhile and more
satisfying to live for than love and care, ...to the death if need be.
--
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| User: "bob young" |
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| Title: Re: DOES ANY GOD EXIST? |
29 Nov 2007 11:03:02 PM |
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Pastor Frank wrote:
"BuddyThunder" <nospam@paradise.net.nz> wrote in message
news:4748fbae$1@clear.net.nz...
Pastor Frank wrote:
"Geoff" <gebobs@yahoo.nospam.com> wrote in message
news:y7ydndKvFbGI-q3anZ2dnUVZWhednZ2d@giganews.com...
Pastor Frank wrote:
"Broderick Crawford ilililililil" <bcrawford2150@roadrunner.com>
wrote in message news:472f1803$0$20593$4c368faf@roadrunner.com...
Bill M wrote:
There is NO objective verifiable evidence for the existence of ANY
gods. Lots of opinions but NO evidence! God beliefs are no more
sound or realistic
than beliefs in Santa Claus and the Tooth Fairy
Of course there is no god, it is obvious to anyone half awake.
We agree. There is indeed no god
Thanks. Now shut the ***** up and GFY.
LOL a religionist after all? You will do anything to defend your
views even by truncating your opponent's posts. That's a sure sign that
atheism has become your religion,
I said: There is indeed no god of atheist definition, for atheists
make sure of that by defining their gods as ludicrously as possible, just
to make quite sure it doesn't exist. LOL
I'll concede one point: Christians define their gods ludicrously enough
without needing any atheist's help.
Shame that there's still no reason to believe.
Don't give up. Just come up with something more worthwhile and more
satisfying to live for than love and care, ...to the death if need be.
Tell that to the cripple that your god made for us all to practice on
--
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| User: "Pastor Frank" |
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| Title: Re: DOES ANY GOD EXIST? |
30 Nov 2007 05:52:17 AM |
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"bob young" <alaspectrum@netvigator.com> wrote in message
news:474F9912.107AF23@netvigator.com...
Pastor Frank wrote:
Don't give up. Just come up with something more worthwhile and more
satisfying to live for than love and care, ...to the death if need be.
Tell that to the cripple that your god made for us all to practice on
"Practice" what on? Why not find a cure and then a prevention? Do you
hate science and scientists that much? It's their livelihood. I thought you
hated only religionists.
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| User: "bob young" |
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| Title: Re: DOES ANY GOD EXIST? |
30 Nov 2007 10:30:01 PM |
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Pastor Frank wrote:
"bob young" <alaspectrum@netvigator.com> wrote in message
news:474F9912.107AF23@netvigator.com...
Pastor Frank wrote:
Don't give up. Just come up with something more worthwhile and more
satisfying to live for than love and care, ...to the death if need be.
Tell that to the cripple that your god made for us all to practice on
"Practice" what on? Why not find a cure and then a prevention? Do you
hate science and scientists that much? It's their livelihood. I thought you
hated only religionists.
I admire science and feel sorry for poeple who canot live without imaginary
deities.
I have never used the word hate. Do you never feel guilty about putting words
into other people's mouths just to make yourself seem important?
Do you?
--
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| User: "ctrpapa" |
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| Title: Re: DOES ANY GOD EXIST? |
07 Nov 2007 12:41:42 AM |
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On Nov 6, 5:07 am, "Geoff" <geb...@yahoo.nospam.com> wrote:
Pastor Frank wrote:
"Broderick Crawford ilililililil" <bcrawford2...@roadrunner.com>
wrote in messagenews:472f1803$0$20593$4c368faf@roadrunner.com...
Bill M wrote:
There is NO objective verifiable evidence for the existence of ANY
gods. Lots of opinions but NO evidence! God beliefs are no more
sound or realistic
than beliefs in Santa Claus and the Tooth Fairy
Of course there is no god, it is obvious to anyone half awake.
We agree. There is indeed no god
Thanks. Now shut the ***** up and GFY.
lol - geoff does your last name start with an S? i went to highschool
with someone who spelled their name geoff.
anyway i really do think atheists and theists agree that "god is love"
and does not exist temporally (temporal meaning bound by time and
space) but god, like love, is eternal.
do you have *objective* *verifiable evidence* for the existence of the
love i have for my wife? you know what? neither does she. love is
one of those things like faith it is eternal and not bound by temporal
laws...
since god can't be measured within the temporal framework that we've
set up to describe and communicate and advance science and our
understanding of the universe does it make god invalid? i think it
does when it comes to better understanding and describing this
scientific corner we've painted ourselves into.
but the question remains, are you so adamantly opposed to the
existence of love? why or why not?
(Galatians 5:22-23)
But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering,
gentleness, goodness, faith, meekness, temperance: against such there
is no law.
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| User: "Bill M" |
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| Title: Re: DOES ANY GOD EXIST? |
07 Nov 2007 07:50:24 AM |
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"ctrpapa" <ctrpapa@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1194417702.325004.16250@k35g2000prh.googlegroups.com...
On Nov 6, 5:07 am, "Geoff" <geb...@yahoo.nospam.com> wrote:
Pastor Frank wrote:
"Broderick Crawford ilililililil" <bcrawford2...@roadrunner.com>
wrote in messagenews:472f1803$0$20593$4c368faf@roadrunner.com...
Bill M wrote:
There is NO objective verifiable evidence for the existence of ANY
gods. Lots of opinions but NO evidence! God beliefs are no more
sound or realistic
than beliefs in Santa Claus and the Tooth Fairy
Of course there is no god, it is obvious to anyone half awake.
We agree. There is indeed no god
Thanks. Now shut the ***** up and GFY.
lol - geoff does your last name start with an S? i went to highschool
with someone who spelled their name geoff.
anyway i really do think atheists and theists agree that "god is love"
and does not exist temporally (temporal meaning bound by time and
space) but god, like love, is eternal.
Learn the English language.
love ( lūv) n. 1. A deep, tender, ineffable feeling of affection and
solicitude toward a person, such as that arising from kinship, recognition
of attractive qualities, or a sense of underlying oneness. 2. A feeling of
intense desire and attraction toward a person with whom one is disposed to
make a pair; the emotion of sex and romance. 3. a. Sexual passion. b. Sexual
intercourse. c. A love affair. 4. An intense emotional attachment, as for a
pet or treasured object. 5. A person who is the object of deep or intense
affection or attraction; beloved. Often used as a term of endearment. 6. An
expression of one's affection: Send him my love.
"God is love"???
This is love???
Why does this all powerful creator, all loving and caring intelligent
designer, create Plagues, Tsunamis, Tornadoes, Volcanic Eruptions, Floods,
Wars, Earth Quakes, Cancers and hundreds of debilitating diseases and
serious body malfunctions? There are 12,000 known diseases that affect and
punish mankind indiscriminately. Why does he permit millions of both young
and old to starve to death or die of miserable diseases? Why punish millions
of INNOCENT CHILDREN in this horrible way?
Why does this all powerful and caring god permit totally "innocent children"
to die at birth? Or worse, be born lacking eyesight, a fully developed
brain, deaf and dumb, missing limbs etc.? Why are some born idiots and
others with super intelligence? Why are some born into wealth and others
pauper poor? Why does he permit over 2,000,000 innocent children to die of
starvation every year? Why are his human creations designed to deteriorate
into a miserable and devastating old age regardless of their religious
affiliation?
God supposedly created the world like it is, to punish man for Adam and Eve's
'original sin'. Why does he also punish supposedly innocent children and
animals with thousands of diseases, birth defects, starvation and to be
eaten by other animals?
Why did this all powerful and loving creator create things like sharks,
jelly fish, octopus, lions, tigers, rhinoceros, wolves, poisonous snakes,
stinging and poisonous insects, poisonous plants etc.? Why did this caring
and benevolent god create animals (including man) that need to painfully
kill and eat other animals to survive?
World War I claimed 9,000,000 lives of people of many religious faiths.
World II indiscriminately claimed over 20,000,000 lives of people of all
ages and religious faiths, plus a vast destruction of property and more
millions maimed for life.
The recent Asian Tsunami has claimed the lives of 200,000 men, women and
children of all religious persuasions. Over 100,000 of these were totally
INNOCENT children!
There were three major epidemics of the Bubonic Plaque - in the 6th, 14th.
and 17th centuries. The death toll was over 137 million men, women and
totally innocent children.
The influenza of 1918-1919 killed at least 25 million men, women and
innocent children indiscriminately.
Diseases like malaria, AIDS, tuberculosis, etc. maim and kill millions
indiscriminately every year. More millions die of starvation and
malnutrition.
These indiscriminately afflicted the young and old, atheists and those of
all religious persuasions.
Meanwhile MAN, not god, has developed defenses and cures for hundreds of
serious diseases. Man has learned to create shelter, heat and cooling,
purify water, world wide electronic communications, power and transportation
systems including flying through the air.
Man has created a wonderful medical and drug system and improved housing and
food production. The result of MAN'S inventiveness has
DOUBLED the average life span. None of this was created by any gods.
Perhaps your loving and caring god is actually a cruel, heartless, mean and
torturing tyrant. If he treats us so cruelly during life, why do you think
he will let us enjoy peace and eternal happiness in his Heaven? And why does
he keep all this a secret by preventing communication with our dead parents,
siblings and friends? (Or this god?)
There are thousands of different religious and god beliefs but NO OJECTIVE
VERIFIABLE EVIDENCE for the actual existence of ANY of these gods. ALL god
beliefs are based on the unsubstantiated 'opinions and claims of errant men.
If there is a god that created the Universe, he is obviously not an
all-caring and benevolent god. Nor is he an "Intelligent Designer". The
objective evidence is if there is a god creator, he has NO concern about the
welfare of the creatures on Earth.
The objective evidence is that no gods created man but quite the opposite;
that man created gods!
I challenge god believers to supply ANY objective verifiable evidence that
their god actually exists except in their over active imaginations.
Who will accept the challenge???
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| User: "ctrpapa" |
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| Title: Re: DOES ANY GOD EXIST? |
07 Nov 2007 11:46:24 PM |
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On Nov 7, 5:50 am, "Bill M" <wm...@bellsouth.net> wrote:
"ctrpapa" <ctrp...@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1194417702.325004.16250@k35g2000prh.googlegroups.com...
On Nov 6, 5:07 am, "Geoff" <geb...@yahoo.nospam.com> wrote:
Pastor Frank wrote:
"Broderick Crawford ilililililil" <bcrawford2...@roadrunner.com>
wrote in messagenews:472f1803$0$20593$4c368faf@roadrunner.com...
Bill M wrote:
There is NO objective verifiable evidence for the existence of ANY
gods. Lots of opinions but NO evidence! God beliefs are no more
sound or realistic
than beliefs in Santa Claus and the Tooth Fairy
Of course there is no god, it is obvious to anyone half awake.
We agree. There is indeed no god
Thanks. Now shut the ***** up and GFY.
lol - geoff does your last name start with an S? i went to highschool
with someone who spelled their name geoff.
anyway i really do think atheists and theists agree that "god is love"
and does not exist temporally (temporal meaning bound by time and
space) but god, like love, is eternal.
Learn the English language.
love ( l=BEv) n. 1. A deep, tender, ineffable feeling of affection and
solicitude toward a person, such as that arising from kinship, recognition
of attractive qualities, or a sense of underlying oneness. 2. A feeling of
intense desire and attraction toward a person with whom one is disposed to
make a pair; the emotion of sex and romance. 3. a. Sexual passion. b. Sex=
ual
intercourse. c. A love affair. 4. An intense emotional attachment, as for=
a
pet or treasured object. 5. A person who is the object of deep or intense
affection or attraction; beloved. Often used as a term of endearment. 6. =
An
expression of one's affection: Send him my love.
"God is love"???
This is love???
Why does this all powerful creator, all loving and caring intelligent
designer, create Plagues, Tsunamis, Tornadoes, Volcanic Eruptions, Floods,
Wars, Earth Quakes, Cancers and hundreds of debilitating diseases and
serious body malfunctions? There are 12,000 known diseases that affect and
punish mankind indiscriminately. Why does he permit millions of both young
and old to starve to death or die of miserable diseases? Why punish milli=
ons
of INNOCENT CHILDREN in this horrible way?
Why does this all powerful and caring god permit totally "innocent childr=
en"
to die at birth? Or worse, be born lacking eyesight, a fully developed
brain, deaf and dumb, missing limbs etc.? Why are some born idiots and
others with super intelligence? Why are some born into wealth and others
pauper poor? Why does he permit over 2,000,000 innocent children to die of
starvation every year? Why are his human creations designed to deteriorate
into a miserable and devastating old age regardless of their religious
affiliation?
God supposedly created the world like it is, to punish man for Adam and E=
ve's
'original sin'. Why does he also punish supposedly innocent children and
animals with thousands of diseases, birth defects, starvation and to be
eaten by other animals?
Why did this all powerful and loving creator create things like sharks,
jelly fish, octopus, lions, tigers, rhinoceros, wolves, poisonous snakes,
stinging and poisonous insects, poisonous plants etc.? Why did this caring
and benevolent god create animals (including man) that need to painfully
kill and eat other animals to survive?
World War I claimed 9,000,000 lives of people of many religious faiths.
World II indiscriminately claimed over 20,000,000 lives of people of all
ages and religious faiths, plus a vast destruction of property and more
millions maimed for life.
The recent Asian Tsunami has claimed the lives of 200,000 men, women and
children of all religious persuasions. Over 100,000 of these were totally
INNOCENT children!
There were three major epidemics of the Bubonic Plaque - in the 6th, 14th.
and 17th centuries. The death toll was over 137 million men, women and
totally innocent children.
The influenza of 1918-1919 killed at least 25 million men, women and
innocent children indiscriminately.
Diseases like malaria, AIDS, tuberculosis, etc. maim and kill millions
indiscriminately every year. More millions die of starvation and
malnutrition.
These indiscriminately afflicted the young and old, atheists and those of
all religious persuasions.
Meanwhile MAN, not god, has developed defenses and cures for hundreds of
serious diseases. Man has learned to create shelter, heat and cooling,
purify water, world wide electronic communications, power and transportat=
ion
systems including flying through the air.
Man has created a wonderful medical and drug system and improved housing =
and
food production. The result of MAN'S inventiveness has
DOUBLED the average life span. None of this was created by any gods.
Perhaps your loving and caring god is actually a cruel, heartless, mean a=
nd
torturing tyrant. If he treats us so cruelly during life, why do you think
he will let us enjoy peace and eternal happiness in his Heaven? And why d=
oes
he keep all this a secret by preventing communication with our dead paren=
ts,
siblings and friends? (Or this god?)
There are thousands of different religious and god beliefs but NO OJECTIVE
VERIFIABLE EVIDENCE for the actual existence of ANY of these gods. ALL g=
od
beliefs are based on the unsubstantiated 'opinions and claims of errant m=
en.
If there is a god that created the Universe, he is obviously not an
all-caring and benevolent god. Nor is he an "Intelligent Designer". The
objective evidence is if there is a god creator, he has NO concern about =
the
welfare of the creatures on Earth.
The objective evidence is that no gods created man but quite the opposite;
that man created gods!
I challenge god believers to supply ANY objective verifiable evidence that
their god actually exists except in their over active imaginations.
Who will accept the challenge???
there's no argument here on how wonderful man is. and i can tell by
your well thought out and passionate response that love is very valid
to both of us though it can't be measured and verified.
do you have an over active imagination for feeling love towards the
dying children that god is letting die? should i attack you for
feeling love for those kids since, after all, it is unverifiable
objectively? should i require you to prove that love exists so that i
can measure it before believing you? should you keep your feelings to
yourself? i don't think so. those things that aren't bound by time
and space make this temporary temporal existence so great. i don't
know if death is the end and i'm assuming anyone still living also
doesn't know. if i were to exercise faith that death is the permanent
end to our existence i could see the emphasis of equating death with
the opposite of love. i just don't think anyone can say either way
without having faith.
my position is that there are many valid things that aren't measurable
and that we all pick and choose which of these unverifiable subjective
things we want to incorporate into our lives. love, joy, peace, etc.
(as well as the ones geoff listed)
i obviously don't speak for god but if i had to guess i'd say god is
way more pleased with the atheists who show compassion to their fellow
men than christians who use the name of god to beat the living snot
out of others.
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| User: "" |
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| Title: Re: DOES ANY GOD EXIST? |
09 Nov 2007 03:52:27 AM |
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On 8 Nov., 06:46, ctrpapa <ctrp...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Nov 7, 5:50 am, "Bill M" <wm...@bellsouth.net> wrote:
"ctrpapa" <ctrp...@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1194417702.325004.16250@k35g2000prh.googlegroups.com...
On Nov 6, 5:07 am, "Geoff" <geb...@yahoo.nospam.com> wrote:
Pastor Frank wrote:
"Broderick Crawford ilililililil" <bcrawford2...@roadrunner.com>
wrote in messagenews:472f1803$0$20593$4c368faf@roadrunner.com...
Bill M wrote:
There is NO objective verifiable evidence for the existence of A=
NY
gods. Lots of opinions but NO evidence! God beliefs are no more
sound or realistic
than beliefs in Santa Claus and the Tooth Fairy
Of course there is no god, it is obvious to anyone half awake.
We agree. There is indeed no god
Thanks. Now shut the ***** up and GFY.
lol - geoff does your last name start with an S? i went to highschool
with someone who spelled their name geoff.
anyway i really do think atheists and theists agree that "god is love"
and does not exist temporally (temporal meaning bound by time and
space) but god, like love, is eternal.
Learn the English language.
love ( l=BEv) n. 1. A deep, tender, ineffable feeling of affection and
solicitude toward a person, such as that arising from kinship, recognit=
ion
of attractive qualities, or a sense of underlying oneness. 2. A feeling=
of
intense desire and attraction toward a person with whom one is disposed=
to
make a pair; the emotion of sex and romance. 3. a. Sexual passion. b. S=
exual
intercourse. c. A love affair. 4. An intense emotional attachment, as f=
or a
pet or treasured object. 5. A person who is the object of deep or inten=
se
affection or attraction; beloved. Often used as a term of endearment. 6=
.. An
expression of one's affection: Send him my love.
"God is love"???
This is love???
Why does this all powerful creator, all loving and caring intelligent
designer, create Plagues, Tsunamis, Tornadoes, Volcanic Eruptions, Floo=
ds,
Wars, Earth Quakes, Cancers and hundreds of debilitating diseases and
serious body malfunctions? There are 12,000 known diseases that affect =
and
punish mankind indiscriminately. Why does he permit millions of both yo=
ung
and old to starve to death or die of miserable diseases? Why punish mil=
lions
of INNOCENT CHILDREN in this horrible way?
Why does this all powerful and caring god permit totally "innocent chil=
dren"
to die at birth? Or worse, be born lacking eyesight, a fully developed
brain, deaf and dumb, missing limbs etc.? Why are some born idiots and
others with super intelligence? Why are some born into wealth and others
pauper poor? Why does he permit over 2,000,000 innocent children to die=
of
starvation every year? Why are his human creations designed to deterior=
ate
into a miserable and devastating old age regardless of their religious
affiliation?
God supposedly created the world like it is, to punish man for Adam and=
Eve's
'original sin'. Why does he also punish supposedly innocent children and
animals with thousands of diseases, birth defects, starvation and to be
eaten by other animals?
Why did this all powerful and loving creator create things like sharks,
jelly fish, octopus, lions, tigers, rhinoceros, wolves, poisonous snake=
s,
stinging and poisonous insects, poisonous plants etc.? Why did this car=
ing
and benevolent god create animals (including man) that need to painfully
kill and eat other animals to survive?
World War I claimed 9,000,000 lives of people of many religious faiths.
World II indiscriminately claimed over 20,000,000 lives of people of all
ages and religious faiths, plus a vast destruction of property and more
millions maimed for life.
The recent Asian Tsunami has claimed the lives of 200,000 men, women and
children of all religious persuasions. Over 100,000 of these were total=
ly
INNOCENT children!
There were three major epidemics of the Bubonic Plaque - in the 6th, 14=
th.
and 17th centuries. The death toll was over 137 million men, women and
totally innocent children.
The influenza of 1918-1919 killed at least 25 million men, women and
innocent children indiscriminately.
Diseases like malaria, AIDS, tuberculosis, etc. maim and kill millions
indiscriminately every year. More millions die of starvation and
malnutrition.
These indiscriminately afflicted the young and old, atheists and those =
of
all religious persuasions.
Meanwhile MAN, not god, has developed defenses and cures for hundreds of
serious diseases. Man has learned to create shelter, heat and cooling,
purify water, world wide electronic communications, power and transport=
ation
systems including flying through the air.
Man has created a wonderful medical and drug system and improved housin=
g and
food production. The result of MAN'S inventiveness has
DOUBLED the average life span. None of this was created by any gods.
Perhaps your loving and caring god is actually a cruel, heartless, mean=
and
torturing tyrant. If he treats us so cruelly during life, why do you th=
ink
he will let us enjoy peace and eternal happiness in his Heaven? And why=
does
he keep all this a secret by preventing communication with our dead par=
ents,
siblings and friends? (Or this god?)
There are thousands of different religious and god beliefs but NO OJECT=
IVE
VERIFIABLE EVIDENCE for the actual existence of ANY of these gods. ALL=
god
beliefs are based on the unsubstantiated 'opinions and claims of errant=
men.
If there is a god that created the Universe, he is obviously not an
all-caring and benevolent god. Nor is he an "Intelligent Designer". The
objective evidence is if there is a god creator, he has NO concern abou=
t the
welfare of the creatures on Earth.
The objective evidence is that no gods created man but quite the opposi=
te;
that man created gods!
I challenge god believers to supply ANY objective verifiable evidence t=
hat
their god actually exists except in their over active imaginations.
Who will accept the challenge???
there's no argument here on how wonderful man is. and i can tell by
your well thought out and passionate response that love is very valid
to both of us though it can't be measured and verified.
do you have an over active imagination for feeling love towards the
dying children that god is letting die? should i attack you for
feeling love for those kids since, after all, it is unverifiable
objectively? should i require you to prove that love exists so that i
can measure it before believing you? should you keep your feelings to
yourself? i don't think so. those things that aren't bound by time
and space make this temporary temporal existence so great. i don't
know if death is the end and i'm assuming anyone still living also
doesn't know. if i were to exercise faith that death is the permanent
end to our existence i could see the emphasis of equating death with
the opposite of love. i just don't think anyone can say either way
without having faith.
my position is that there are many valid things that aren't measurable
and that we all pick and choose which of these unverifiable subjective
things we want to incorporate into our lives. love, joy, peace, etc.
(as well as the ones geoff listed)
The above are concepts. They are not things that exist outside of the
feelings of those who experience them. That is nothing like the
claimed existence of a god.
i obviously don't speak for god but if i had to guess i'd say god is
way more pleased with the atheists who show compassion to their fellow
men than christians who use the name of god to beat the living snot
out of others.- Skjul tekst i anf=F8rselstegn -
- Vis tekst i anf=F8rselstegn -
Since you have no objective evidence of any kind of god, you have no
way of know what any possible god is pleased with if anything.
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| User: "Christopher A.Lee" |
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| Title: Re: DOES ANY GOD EXIST? |
07 Nov 2007 01:00:11 PM |
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On Wed, 7 Nov 2007 13:50:24 -0000, "Bill M" <wmech@bellsouth.net>
wrote:
"ctrpapa" <ctrpapa@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1194417702.325004.16250@k35g2000prh.googlegroups.com...
On Nov 6, 5:07 am, "Geoff" <geb...@yahoo.nospam.com> wrote:
Pastor Frank wrote:
"Broderick Crawford ilililililil" <bcrawford2...@roadrunner.com>
wrote in messagenews:472f1803$0$20593$4c368faf@roadrunner.com...
Bill M wrote:
There is NO objective verifiable evidence for the existence of ANY
gods. Lots of opinions but NO evidence! God beliefs are no more
sound or realistic
than beliefs in Santa Claus and the Tooth Fairy
Of course there is no god, it is obvious to anyone half awake.
We agree. There is indeed no god
Thanks. Now shut the ***** up and GFY.
lol - geoff does your last name start with an S? i went to highschool
with someone who spelled their name geoff.
anyway i really do think atheists and theists agree that "god is love"
and does not exist temporally (temporal meaning bound by time and
space) but god, like love, is eternal.
Learn the English language.
love ( lūv) n. 1. A deep, tender, ineffable feeling of affection and
solicitude toward a person, such as that arising from kinship, recognition
of attractive qualities, or a sense of underlying oneness. 2. A feeling of
intense desire and attraction toward a person with whom one is disposed to
make a pair; the emotion of sex and romance. 3. a. Sexual passion. b. Sexual
intercourse. c. A love affair. 4. An intense emotional attachment, as for a
pet or treasured object. 5. A person who is the object of deep or intense
affection or attraction; beloved. Often used as a term of endearment. 6. An
expression of one's affection: Send him my love.
"God is love"???
This is love???
I wonder what word the assholes who redefine "love" use as the label
for the feelings you have just described.
Do they splinge their spouse, family and pets?
Why does this all powerful creator, all loving and caring intelligent
designer, create Plagues, Tsunamis, Tornadoes, Volcanic Eruptions, Floods,
Wars, Earth Quakes, Cancers and hundreds of debilitating diseases and
serious body malfunctions? There are 12,000 known diseases that affect and
punish mankind indiscriminately. Why does he permit millions of both young
and old to starve to death or die of miserable diseases? Why punish millions
of INNOCENT CHILDREN in this horrible way?
Why does this all powerful and caring god permit totally "innocent children"
to die at birth? Or worse, be born lacking eyesight, a fully developed
brain, deaf and dumb, missing limbs etc.? Why are some born idiots and
others with super intelligence? Why are some born into wealth and others
pauper poor? Why does he permit over 2,000,000 innocent children to die of
starvation every year? Why are his human creations designed to deteriorate
into a miserable and devastating old age regardless of their religious
affiliation?
God supposedly created the world like it is, to punish man for Adam and Eve's
'original sin'. Why does he also punish supposedly innocent children and
animals with thousands of diseases, birth defects, starvation and to be
eaten by other animals?
Why did this all powerful and loving creator create things like sharks,
jelly fish, octopus, lions, tigers, rhinoceros, wolves, poisonous snakes,
stinging and poisonous insects, poisonous plants etc.? Why did this caring
and benevolent god create animals (including man) that need to painfully
kill and eat other animals to survive?
World War I claimed 9,000,000 lives of people of many religious faiths.
World II indiscriminately claimed over 20,000,000 lives of people of all
ages and religious faiths, plus a vast destruction of property and more
millions maimed for life.
The recent Asian Tsunami has claimed the lives of 200,000 men, women and
children of all religious persuasions. Over 100,000 of these were totally
INNOCENT children!
There were three major epidemics of the Bubonic Plaque - in the 6th, 14th.
and 17th centuries. The death toll was over 137 million men, women and
totally innocent children.
The influenza of 1918-1919 killed at least 25 million men, women and
innocent children indiscriminately.
Diseases like malaria, AIDS, tuberculosis, etc. maim and kill millions
indiscriminately every year. More millions die of starvation and
malnutrition.
These indiscriminately afflicted the young and old, atheists and those of
all religious persuasions.
Meanwhile MAN, not god, has developed defenses and cures for hundreds of
serious diseases. Man has learned to create shelter, heat and cooling,
purify water, world wide electronic communications, power and transportation
systems including flying through the air.
Man has created a wonderful medical and drug system and improved housing and
food production. The result of MAN'S inventiveness has
DOUBLED the average life span. None of this was created by any gods.
Perhaps your loving and caring god is actually a cruel, heartless, mean and
torturing tyrant. If he treats us so cruelly during life, why do you think
he will let us enjoy peace and eternal happiness in his Heaven? And why does
he keep all this a secret by preventing communication with our dead parents,
siblings and friends? (Or this god?)
There are thousands of different religious and god beliefs but NO OJECTIVE
VERIFIABLE EVIDENCE for the actual existence of ANY of these gods. ALL god
beliefs are based on the unsubstantiated 'opinions and claims of errant men.
If there is a god that created the Universe, he is obviously not an
all-caring and benevolent god. Nor is he an "Intelligent Designer". The
objective evidence is if there is a god creator, he has NO concern about the
welfare of the creatures on Earth.
The objective evidence is that no gods created man but quite the opposite;
that man created gods!
I challenge god believers to supply ANY objective verifiable evidence that
their god actually exists except in their over active imaginations.
Who will accept the challenge???
.
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| User: "Pastor Frank" |
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| Title: Re: DOES ANY GOD EXIST? |
07 Nov 2007 06:54:23 PM |
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"ctrpapa" <ctrpapa@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1194417702.325004.16250@k35g2000prh.googlegroups.com...
On Nov 6, 5:07 am, "Geoff" <geb...@yahoo.nospam.com> wrote:
Pastor Frank wrote:
"Broderick Crawford ilililililil" <bcrawford2...@roadrunner.com>
wrote in messagenews:472f1803$0$20593$4c368faf@roadrunner.com...
Bill M wrote:
There is NO objective verifiable evidence for the existence of ANY
gods. Lots of opinions but NO evidence! God beliefs are no more
sound or realistic
than beliefs in Santa Claus and the Tooth Fairy
Of course there is no god, it is obvious to anyone half awake.
We agree. There is indeed no god
Thanks. Now shut the ***** up and GFY.
lol - geoff does your last name start with an S? i went to highschool
with someone who spelled their name geoff.
anyway i really do think atheists and theists agree that "god is love"
and does not exist temporally (temporal meaning bound by time and
space) but god, like love, is eternal.
do you have *objective* *verifiable evidence* for the existence of the
love i have for my wife? you know what? neither does she. love is
one of those things like faith it is eternal and not bound by temporal
laws...
since god can't be measured within the temporal framework that we've
set up to describe and communicate and advance science and our
understanding of the universe does it make god invalid? i think it
does when it comes to better understanding and describing this
scientific corner we've painted ourselves into.
but the question remains, are you so adamantly opposed to the
existence of love? why or why not?
(Galatians 5:22-23)
But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering,
gentleness, goodness, faith, meekness, temperance: against such there
is no law.
Well said indeed! Praise the Lord!!!!! Atheists forever will look for
some created material entity by the name "god". See below Christ's disciple
Philip asking for the same thing.
Pastor Frank
John 14:7 Philip saith unto him: "Lord, show us the Father, and it
sufficeth us."
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07 Nov 2007 08:21:04 AM |
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ctrpapa wrote:
On Nov 6, 5:07 am, "Geoff" <geb...@yahoo.nospam.com> wrote:
Pastor Frank wrote:
"Broderick Crawford ilililililil" <bcrawford2...@roadrunner.com>
wrote in messagenews:472f1803$0$20593$4c368faf@roadrunner.com...
Bill M wrote:
There is NO objective verifiable evidence for the existence of ANY
gods. Lots of opinions but NO evidence! God beliefs are no more
sound or realistic
than beliefs in Santa Claus and the Tooth Fairy
Of course there is no god, it is obvious to anyone half awake.
We agree. There is indeed no god
Thanks. Now shut the ***** up and GFY.
lol - geoff does your last name start with an S? i went to highschool
with someone who spelled their name geoff.
Considering that there are thousands of people that spell my name this way
in the US and the UK, what do you think the chances are that I went to
school with you?
anyway i really do think atheists and theists agree that "god is love"
and does not exist temporally (temporal meaning bound by time and
space) but god, like love, is eternal.
You think atheists think "god is love"? You're delusional.
do you have *objective* *verifiable evidence* for the existence of the
love i have for my wife? you know what? neither does she. love is
one of those things like faith it is eternal and not bound by temporal
laws...
Why do I care? Do I need evidence that there are purple socks in my drawer?
No. Why not? Because the implications are nil.
But if someone claimed that only people with purple socks in their drawer
could buy beer, I'd make sure about it.
Likewise, when people claim that some sandeater was the son of the god of
some bronze age semiliterates and that he raised the dead and cured the lame
and that these two blokes will be judging our characters after we die...I
might want some evidence.
Got any? Didn't think so.
since god can't be measured within the temporal framework that we've
set up to describe and communicate and advance science and our
understanding of the universe does it make god invalid?
Since Santa can't be measured within the temporal framework that we've set
up to describe and communicate and advance science and our understanding of
the universe does it make Santa invalid?
but the question remains, are you so adamantly opposed to the
existence of love? why or why not?
Why are you so predisposed to such illogic?
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| Title: Re: DOES ANY GOD EXIST? |
07 Nov 2007 10:39:47 AM |
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On Nov 7, 6:21 am, "Geoff" <geb...@yahoo.nospam.com> wrote:
ctrpapa wrote:
On Nov 6, 5:07 am, "Geoff" <geb...@yahoo.nospam.com> wrote:
Pastor Frank wrote:
"Broderick Crawford ilililililil" <bcrawford2...@roadrunner.com>
wrote in messagenews:472f1803$0$20593$4c368faf@roadrunner.com...
Bill M wrote:
There is NO objective verifiable evidence for the existence of ANY
gods. Lots of opinions but NO evidence! God beliefs are no more
sound or realistic
than beliefs in Santa Claus and the Tooth Fairy
Of course there is no god, it is obvious to anyone half awake.
We agree. There is indeed no god
Thanks. Now shut the ***** up and GFY.
lol - geoff does your last name start with an S? i went to highschool
with someone who spelled their name geoff.
Considering that there are thousands of people that spell my name this way
in the US and the UK, what do you think the chances are that I went to
school with you?
anyway i really do think atheists and theists agree that "god is love"
and does not exist temporally (temporal meaning bound by time and
space) but god, like love, is eternal.
You think atheists think "god is love"? You're delusional.
do you have *objective* *verifiable evidence* for the existence of the
love i have for my wife? you know what? neither does she. love is
one of those things like faith it is eternal and not bound by temporal
laws...
Why do I care? Do I need evidence that there are purple socks in my drawer?
No. Why not? Because the implications are nil.
But if someone claimed that only people with purple socks in their drawer
could buy beer, I'd make sure about it.
Likewise, when people claim that some sandeater was the son of the god of
some bronze age semiliterates and that he raised the dead and cured the lame
and that these two blokes will be judging our characters after we die...I
might want some evidence.
Got any? Didn't think so.
since god can't be measured within the temporal framework that we've
set up to describe and communicate and advance science and our
understanding of the universe does it make god invalid?
Since Santa can't be measured within the temporal framework that we've set
up to describe and communicate and advance science and our understanding of
the universe does it make Santa invalid?
but the question remains, are you so adamantly opposed to the
existence of love? why or why not?
Why are you so predisposed to such illogic?
so love doesn't exist because it can't be measured? or is it just
that the "implications" of love are "nil"? god is different than love
because you live love but not god?
anyway, see if you can answer the question with objective verifiable
evidence for the existence of love this time instead of answering it
with another question.
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| Title: Re: DOES ANY GOD EXIST? |
09 Nov 2007 03:33:06 AM |
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On 7 Nov., 17:39, ctrpapa <ctrp...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Nov 7, 6:21 am, "Geoff" <geb...@yahoo.nospam.com> wrote:
ctrpapa wrote:
On Nov 6, 5:07 am, "Geoff" <geb...@yahoo.nospam.com> wrote:
Pastor Frank wrote:
"Broderick Crawford ilililililil" <bcrawford2...@roadrunner.com>
wrote in messagenews:472f1803$0$20593$4c368faf@roadrunner.com...
Bill M wrote:
There is NO objective verifiable evidence for the existence of ANY
gods. Lots of opinions but NO evidence! God beliefs are no more
sound or realistic
than beliefs in Santa Claus and the Tooth Fairy
Of course there is no god, it is obvious to anyone half awake.
We agree. There is indeed no god
Thanks. Now shut the ***** up and GFY.
lol - geoff does your last name start with an S? i went to highschool
with someone who spelled their name geoff.
Considering that there are thousands of people that spell my name this =
way
in the US and the UK, what do you think the chances are that I went to
school with you?
anyway i really do think atheists and theists agree that "god is love"
and does not exist temporally (temporal meaning bound by time and
space) but god, like love, is eternal.
You think atheists think "god is love"? You're delusional.
do you have *objective* *verifiable evidence* for the existence of the
love i have for my wife? you know what? neither does she. love is
one of those things like faith it is eternal and not bound by temporal
laws...
Why do I care? Do I need evidence that there are purple socks in my dra=
wer?
No. Why not? Because the implications are nil.
But if someone claimed that only people with purple socks in their draw=
er
could buy beer, I'd make sure about it.
Likewise, when people claim that some sandeater was the son of the god =
of
some bronze age semiliterates and that he raised the dead and cured the=
lame
and that these two blokes will be judging our characters after we die..=
..I
might want some evidence.
Got any? Didn't think so.
since god can't be measured within the temporal framework that we've
set up to describe and communicate and advance science and our
understanding of the universe does it make god invalid?
Since Santa can't be measured within the temporal framework that we've =
set
up to describe and communicate and advance science and our understandin=
g of
the universe does it make Santa invalid?
but the question remains, are you so adamantly opposed to the
existence of love? why or why not?
Why are you so predisposed to such illogic?
so love doesn't exist because it can't be measured? or is it just
that the "implications" of love are "nil"? god is different than love
because you live love but not god?
anyway, see if you can answer the question with objective verifiable
evidence for the existence of love this time instead of answering it
with another question.- Skjul tekst i anf=F8rselstegn -
- Vis tekst i anf=F8rselstegn -
Verifiable evidence for the existence of love? Of course. We are
discussing a concept called love. That concept must exist, because we
are talking about it. In exactly the same way both god and the tooth
fairy exist.
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| User: "Geoff" |
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| Title: Re: DOES ANY GOD EXIST? |
07 Nov 2007 04:35:27 PM |
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ctrpapa wrote:
anyway, see if you can answer the question with objective verifiable
evidence for the existence of love this time instead of answering it
with another question.
Certainly love is a subjective experience. No one can know for certain if
one person loves another, not even the objects of these affections. And I
suppose you can say gods are a subjective experience too. So by your logic,
since we agree that love does exist, that means that gods exist.
What about other subjective experiences? Are they all based on fact as well?
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