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Religions > Atheism |
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"Bill" |
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30 Sep 2005 01:53:40 PM |
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DOES ANY "REAL" GOD EXIST |
For the narrow minded, ill informed or religious fanatics it is revealing to
be aware of what scientific mankind now knows about the Universe. And this
knowledge is based on scientific measures whose accuracy is supported by a
wealth of objective factual data; not parables, folklore and mythology.
Objective tangible, verifiable, reproducible evidence indicates the Universe
is almost 14 BILLION YEARS old.
Evidence shows it is at least 20 BILLION LIGHT YEARS in diameter. How much
greater it is in size we just don't know. Light travels at a speed of
186,000 MILES PER SECOND. Our measuring techniques are incapable of
measuring beyond this distance. This makes the Universe incomprehensible in
size and the earth but a speck of dust in the Universe.
There are over a trillion Stars and Planets in the Universe. It is likely
there are thousands if not millions of planets similar to Earth in the
Universe.
The scientific evidence is that the World is approximately 4 BILLION YEARS
old. Archaeological evidence is that man has existed on the earth for over
25,000 years. When the various books of the Bibles were written, man
believed the earth was flat and that the Sun, Stars and Planets revolved
around the Earth. We now know that the Earth, Stars and Planets revolve
around the Sun. The Earth is but a speck of dust in the vast Universe with
many trillions of Stars and Planets. The six billion humans presently on
Earth are the equivalent of specks of sand on the large beach of earth. We
are infinitesimal in the vast Universe.
There is NO evidence that man on Earth is of any consequence or importance
in the vast Universe. There certainly is no objective evidence that the
Earth or man have any special significance in the Universe.
There are many different religions and literally thousands of God beliefs.
There are major religions such as Judaism, Buddhists, Sikhs, Hindus,
Muslims, Shintoists, Confusions, Christians and Catholics. There are
thousands of variations in the beliefs of these religions and there are
hundreds of additional minor religions.
There are a plentitude of different religious documents that proclaim the
validity of various Gods. Which, if any, are correct?
Major sacred texts and documents;
Baha'i Sacrid writtings
Life of Buddha - Dhammapada - Pali cannon
The Bible - Christian religious documents - 18 English versions alone.
No originals of the old or new testaments exist.
The Book of Mormon - Church of Latter Day Saints
The Analects - Confuscianism
The Eddas and Sagas - Icelandic beliefs
Wicca - Neo paganism of Greece and Rome over the centuries
Bhagavgita and Rig Veda - Hinduism
Qur'an - Islam
The Tanakh - Jewism
Tao-Te-Ching - Taoism
Nag Hammadi - Gnostics
Zhuan Falun - Falun Gong
Of all these different Gods and belief systems which is the true one, if
any, and which are fakes? None of these documents are objective evidence.
They are all documents written, hand copied, modified and further copied,
over the centuries, by errant men with their own personal and selfish
motivations. There is no way to determine authenticity or accuracy. The
objective evidence is that they are a mixture of history, myth, folklore and
legends.
Man can directly communicate essentially with the whole world via TV, the
Internet, Phone, Newspapers and Radio. God should have no difficulty, what
so ever, communicating directly with his world. If there is a real God, why
does he not announce to the whole world, from his real heaven, that he is
the REAL God and all the others are FAKES? And tell us clearly and directly
what he expects from us instead of using hundreds of vague, ancient and
contradictory documents compiled by dozens of different religions and
copiers of unknown veracity.
Why does any REAL God permit most of the human race to be deceived and
misled by false Gods?
The objective evidence is that no God CREATED MAN but rather; that MAN
CREATED Gods!
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| User: "Rowland Croucher" |
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| Title: Re: DOES ANY "REAL" GOD EXIST |
01 Oct 2005 01:39:16 AM |
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"Bill" <wmech@bellsouth.net> wrote in
news:ENf%e.9740$7l.561@bignews2.bellsouth.net:
For the narrow minded, ill informed or religious
fanatics it is revealing to be aware of what
scientific mankind now knows about the Universe.
We have the best Creation Science laboratory in Australia, where you all
you allegations are proven to be the ranting of an idiot.
Objective tangible, verifiable, reproducible evidence
indicates the Universe is almost 14 BILLION YEARS old.
Six thousand years old. A well known, and often proven, fact.
--
Rowland Butter (neé Croucher)
Croucher Rs-lickin GmbH (Zürich)
http://rowlandcroucher.chelmsfordbaptist.com/
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| User: "Bill" |
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| Title: Re: DOES ANY "REAL" GOD EXIST |
01 Oct 2005 03:29:21 PM |
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"Rowland Croucher" <rccroucher@optusnet.com.fu.au> wrote in message
news:Xns96E24DDFA5EERolandCroucher@127.0.0.1...
"Bill" <wmech@bellsouth.net> wrote in
news:ENf%e.9740$7l.561@bignews2.bellsouth.net:
For the narrow minded, ill informed or religious
fanatics it is revealing to be aware of what
scientific mankind now knows about the Universe.
We have the best Creation Science laboratory in Australia, where you all
you allegations are proven to be the ranting of an idiot.
Objective tangible, verifiable, reproducible evidence
indicates the Universe is almost 14 BILLION YEARS old.
Six thousand years old. A well known, and often proven, fact.
WHY DON'T YOU SHARE SOME OF THESE "FACTS" WITH US?
COULD IT BE THAT YOUR DON'T HAVE ANY?!
Rowland Butter (neé Croucher)
Croucher Rs-lickin GmbH (Zürich)
http://rowlandcroucher.chelmsfordbaptist.com/
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| User: "Pastor Frank" |
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| Title: Re: DOES ANY "REAL" GOD EXIST |
30 Sep 2005 11:20:19 PM |
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"Bill" <wmech@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
news:ENf%e.9740$7l.561@bignews2.bellsouth.net...
For the narrow minded, ill informed or religious fanatics it is revealing
to be aware of what scientific mankind now knows about the Universe. And
this knowledge is based on scientific measures whose accuracy is supported
by a wealth of objective factual data; not parables, folklore and
mythology.
All this is non sequitur, for religion deals with the qualities of
existence, what's good and what's bad, right and wrong etc. not existence
itself. Try to get a grip willya?
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| User: "Soul food" |
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| Title: Re: Re: DOES ANY "REAL" GOD EXIST |
01 Oct 2005 03:51:17 AM |
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"Pastor Frank" <PastorFrank@christfirst.edu> shamelessly revealed:
"Bill" <wmech@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
news:ENf%e.9740$7l.561@bignews2.bellsouth.net...
For the narrow minded, ill informed or religious fanatics it is revealing
to be aware of what scientific mankind now knows about the Universe. And
this knowledge is based on scientific measures whose accuracy is supported
by a wealth of objective factual data; not parables, folklore and
mythology.
All this is non sequitur, for religion deals with the qualities of
existence, what's good and what's bad, right and wrong etc. not existence
itself. Try to get a grip willya?
What you are saying, then, is that religion doesn't deal with reality
or the truth. I'd go along with that.
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"The real dichotomy in today's world is between reason and religion.
The future of civilisation rests upon how many people realise that and do something about it."
D Silverman FLAHN, SMLAHN
AA #2208
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| User: "Pastor Frank" |
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| Title: Re: Re: DOES ANY "REAL" GOD EXIST |
01 Oct 2005 07:11:32 PM |
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"Soul food" <cthulhu@soulstogo.com> wrote in message
news:2djsj1t5814k79p5d0e07v9r17bc48hpu9@4ax.com...
"Pastor Frank" <PastorFrank@christfirst.edu> shamelessly revealed:
"Bill" <wmech@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
news:ENf%e.9740$7l.561@bignews2.bellsouth.net...
For the narrow minded, ill informed or religious fanatics it is
revealing
to be aware of what scientific mankind now knows about the Universe. And
this knowledge is based on scientific measures whose accuracy is
supported
by a wealth of objective factual data; not parables, folklore and
mythology.
All this is non sequitur, for religion deals with the qualities of
existence, what's good and what's bad, right and wrong etc. not existence
itself. Try to get a grip willya?
What you are saying, then, is that religion doesn't deal with reality
or the truth. I'd go along with that.
I just finished telling you, that religion deals with ideals which need
to be made reality. Are you with us, or prefer reality as it is?
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| User: "Fred Stone" |
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| Title: Re: Re: DOES ANY "REAL" GOD EXIST |
01 Oct 2005 08:57:18 PM |
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"Pastor Frank" <PastorFrank@christfirst.edu> wrote in
news:64dce$433f3b44$d1d89a64$3829@PRIMUS.CA:
"Soul food" <cthulhu@soulstogo.com> wrote in message
news:2djsj1t5814k79p5d0e07v9r17bc48hpu9@4ax.com...
"Pastor Frank" <PastorFrank@christfirst.edu> shamelessly revealed:
"Bill" <wmech@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
news:ENf%e.9740$7l.561@bignews2.bellsouth.net...
For the narrow minded, ill informed or religious fanatics it is
revealing
to be aware of what scientific mankind now knows about the
Universe. And this knowledge is based on scientific measures whose
accuracy is supported
by a wealth of objective factual data; not parables, folklore and
mythology.
All this is non sequitur, for religion deals with the qualities
of
existence, what's good and what's bad, right and wrong etc. not
existence itself. Try to get a grip willya?
What you are saying, then, is that religion doesn't deal with reality
or the truth. I'd go along with that.
I just finished telling you, that religion deals with ideals which
need
to be made reality. Are you with us, or prefer reality as it is?
You're welcome to your fantasies, but please leave me out.
--
Fred Stone
aa# 1369
"Honesty is the best policy, but insanity is a better defense."
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| User: "Pastor Frank" |
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| Title: Re: Re: DOES ANY "REAL" GOD EXIST |
05 Oct 2005 09:51:35 AM |
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"Fred Stone" <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote in message
news:1128218238.d3a7841a8bd7784a5515ca513a943201@teranews...
"Pastor Frank" <PastorFrank@christfirst.edu> wrote in
news:64dce$433f3b44$d1d89a64$3829@PRIMUS.CA:
I just finished telling you, that religion deals with ideals which
need to be made reality. Are you with us, or prefer reality as it is?
You're welcome to your fantasies, but please leave me out.
What about your own "fantasies"? You keep on denying the existence of
the "God" of your personal and private fantasy definition, when the Bible
defines that word quite well, but different from you? The Bible definition
of God does exist, and yours does not. It's as simple as that.
Pastor Frank
"GOD" THE CHRISTIAN MEANING OF THE WORD ACCORDING TO SCRIPTURE:
Jesus in Jn:4:24: "GOD IS A SPIRIT, and they that worship him must
worship him in spirit and in truth."
Jesus in John 14:6-10: Jesus saith unto him: "I am the way, the truth,
and the life; no man cometh unto the Father, but by me. If ye had known me,
ye should have known my Father also, and from henceforth YE KNOW HIM AND
HAVE SEEN HIM."
Philip saith unto him: "Lord, show us the Father, and it sufficeth us."
Jesus saith unto him: "Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast
thou not known me, Philip? HE THAT HAS SEEN ME HATH SEEN THE FATHER;
and how sayest thou then: Show us the Father? Believest thou not that I am
in the Father, and the Father in me? The words that I speak unto you I speak
not of myself, but the Father that dwelleth in me, he doeth the works."
Jesus in John 12:44-46`Then Jesus cried out and said, "He who believes
in me, believes not in me but in Him who sent me. And he who sees me sees
Him who sent Me. I have come as a light into the world, that whoever
believes in me should not abide in darkness."
Jesus in Lk 17:20-21: And when he was demanded of the Pharisees, when
the kingdom of God should come, he answered them and said: "The kingdom of
God cometh not with observation. Neither shall they say, Lo here! or, lo
there! For, behold, the kingdom of GOD IS WITHIN YOU."
1Jn:4:8: He that loveth not, knoweth not God; for GOD IS LOVE.
1Jn:4:16: And we have known and believed the love that God hath to us.
GOD IS LOVE; and he that dwelleth in love dwelleth in God, and God in him.
Acts:17:28: For in him we live, and move, and have our being; as certain
also of your own poets have said, For we are also his offspring.
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| User: "Libertarius" |
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| Title: Re: DOES ANY "REAL" GOD EXIST. |
06 Oct 2005 02:35:58 PM |
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Pastor Frank wrote:
"Fred Stone" <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote in message
news:1128218238.d3a7841a8bd7784a5515ca513a943201@teranews...
"Pastor Frank" <PastorFrank@christfirst.edu> wrote in
news:64dce$433f3b44$d1d89a64$3829@PRIMUS.CA:
I just finished telling you, that religion deals with ideals which
need to be made reality. Are you with us, or prefer reality as it is?
You're welcome to your fantasies, but please leave me out.
What about your own "fantasies"? You keep on denying the existence of
the "God" of your personal and private fantasy definition, when the Bible
defines that word quite well, but different from you? The Bible definition
of God does exist, and yours does not. It's as simple as that.
Pastor Frank
===>There are way too many "definitions" in the books compiled as
the "BIBLE" to make that stupid claim!
E.g. YOUR definition denies that YHWH is the "real" god.
You are a phony neo-Marcionite masquerading as a "pristine
Christian. You hate the Jews, the Old Testament, and YHWH, whom
you call the "god of the Jews". -- L.
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| User: "Dubh Ghall" |
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| Title: Re: DOES ANY "REAL" GOD EXIST |
02 Oct 2005 06:34:27 AM |
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On Sat, 1 Oct 2005 20:11:32 -0400, "Pastor Frank" <PastorFrank@christfirst.edu>
wrote:
"Soul food" <cthulhu@soulstogo.com> wrote in message
news:2djsj1t5814k79p5d0e07v9r17bc48hpu9@4ax.com...
"Pastor Frank" <PastorFrank@christfirst.edu> shamelessly revealed:
"Bill" <wmech@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
news:ENf%e.9740$7l.561@bignews2.bellsouth.net...
For the narrow minded, ill informed or religious fanatics it is
revealing
to be aware of what scientific mankind now knows about the Universe. And
this knowledge is based on scientific measures whose accuracy is
supported
by a wealth of objective factual data; not parables, folklore and
mythology.
All this is non sequitur, for religion deals with the qualities of
existence, what's good and what's bad, right and wrong etc. not existence
itself. Try to get a grip willya?
What you are saying, then, is that religion doesn't deal with reality
or the truth. I'd go along with that.
I just finished telling you, that religion deals with ideals which need
to be made reality. Are you with us, or prefer reality as it is?
Having read some of your "ideals", I think I prefer reality, left well alone, by
such as you.
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| User: "Pastor Frank" |
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| Title: Re: DOES ANY "REAL" GOD EXIST |
04 Oct 2005 02:49:39 AM |
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"Dubh Ghall" <puck@pooks.hill.fey> wrote in message
news:hahvj19km7badj5uvfkavl2usohljqpgbl@4ax.com...
On Sat, 1 Oct 2005 20:11:32 -0400, "Pastor Frank"
<PastorFrank@christfirst.edu>
wrote:
"Soul food" <cthulhu@soulstogo.com> wrote in message
news:2djsj1t5814k79p5d0e07v9r17bc48hpu9@4ax.com...
"Pastor Frank" <PastorFrank@christfirst.edu> shamelessly revealed:
"Bill" <wmech@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
news:ENf%e.9740$7l.561@bignews2.bellsouth.net...
For the narrow minded, ill informed or religious fanatics it is
revealing
to be aware of what scientific mankind now knows about the Universe.
And
this knowledge is based on scientific measures whose accuracy is
supported
by a wealth of objective factual data; not parables, folklore and
mythology.
All this is non sequitur, for religion deals with the qualities of
existence, what's good and what's bad, right and wrong etc. not
existence
itself. Try to get a grip willya?
What you are saying, then, is that religion doesn't deal with reality
or the truth. I'd go along with that.
I just finished telling you, that religion deals with ideals which
need
to be made reality. Are you with us, or prefer reality as it is?
Having read some of your "ideals", I think I prefer reality, left well
alone, by
such as you.
You don't read anything anyone ever says here in our pristine Christian
NGs, you only chant you atheist mantras. LOL
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| User: "thomas p" |
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| Title: Re: DOES ANY "REAL" GOD EXIST |
05 Oct 2005 10:43:49 AM |
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On Tue, 4 Oct 2005 03:49:39 -0400, "Pastor Frank"
<PastorFrank@christfirst.edu> wrote:
"Dubh Ghall" <puck@pooks.hill.fey> wrote in message
news:hahvj19km7badj5uvfkavl2usohljqpgbl@4ax.com...
On Sat, 1 Oct 2005 20:11:32 -0400, "Pastor Frank"
<PastorFrank@christfirst.edu>
wrote:
"Soul food" <cthulhu@soulstogo.com> wrote in message
news:2djsj1t5814k79p5d0e07v9r17bc48hpu9@4ax.com...
"Pastor Frank" <PastorFrank@christfirst.edu> shamelessly revealed:
"Bill" <wmech@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
news:ENf%e.9740$7l.561@bignews2.bellsouth.net...
For the narrow minded, ill informed or religious fanatics it is
revealing
to be aware of what scientific mankind now knows about the Universe.
And
this knowledge is based on scientific measures whose accuracy is
supported
by a wealth of objective factual data; not parables, folklore and
mythology.
All this is non sequitur, for religion deals with the qualities of
existence, what's good and what's bad, right and wrong etc. not
existence
itself. Try to get a grip willya?
What you are saying, then, is that religion doesn't deal with reality
or the truth. I'd go along with that.
I just finished telling you, that religion deals with ideals which
need
to be made reality. Are you with us, or prefer reality as it is?
Having read some of your "ideals", I think I prefer reality, left well
alone, by
such as you.
You don't read anything anyone ever says here in our pristine Christian
NGs, you only chant you atheist mantras. LOL
Do you always laugh at your own lies?
Thomas P.
"Life must be lived forwards but understood backwards"
(Kierkegaard)
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| User: "Dubh Ghall" |
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| Title: Re: DOES ANY "REAL" GOD EXIST |
05 Oct 2005 12:46:31 PM |
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On Tue, 4 Oct 2005 03:49:39 -0400, "Pastor Frank" <PastorFrank@christfirst.edu>
wrote:
You don't read anything anyone ever says here in our pristine Christian
NGs, you only chant you atheist mantras. LOL
Hey! Dipstick! You may have failed to notice, what with you talking to god, and
all, but you are posting this to alt.atheism.
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| User: "Dubh Ghall" |
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| Title: Re: DOES ANY "REAL" GOD EXIST |
05 Oct 2005 12:44:52 PM |
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On Sat, 1 Oct 2005 20:11:32 -0400, "Pastor Frank" <PastorFrank@christfirst.edu>
wrote:
I just finished telling you, that religion deals with ideals which need
to be made reality.
And that makes it fact; Does it?
Are you with us, or prefer reality as it is?
I prefer reality, unfucked with, by religious fanatics.
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| User: "thomas p" |
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| Title: Re: DOES ANY "REAL" GOD EXIST |
06 Oct 2005 01:17:59 AM |
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On Wed, 05 Oct 2005 17:44:52 GMT, Dubh Ghall <puck@pooks.hill.fey>
wrote:
On Sat, 1 Oct 2005 20:11:32 -0400, "Pastor Frank" <PastorFrank@christfirst.edu>
wrote:
I just finished telling you, that religion deals with ideals which need
to be made reality.
And that makes it fact; Does it?
Are you with us, or prefer reality as it is?
I prefer reality, unfucked with, by religious fanatics.
Especially by ignorant liars like Frank.
Thomas P.
"Life must be lived forwards but understood backwards"
(Kierkegaard)
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| User: "Fred Stone" |
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| Title: Re: DOES ANY "REAL" GOD EXIST |
01 Oct 2005 07:45:48 AM |
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"Pastor Frank" <PastorFrank@christfirst.edu> wrote in
news:7b11c$433e0f02$d1d89a48$6614@PRIMUS.CA:
"Bill" <wmech@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
news:ENf%e.9740$7l.561@bignews2.bellsouth.net...
For the narrow minded, ill informed or religious fanatics it is
revealing to be aware of what scientific mankind now knows about the
Universe. And this knowledge is based on scientific measures whose
accuracy is supported by a wealth of objective factual data; not
parables, folklore and mythology.
All this is non sequitur, for religion deals with the qualities of
existence, what's good and what's bad, right and wrong etc. not
existence itself. Try to get a grip willya?
Those things can be dealt with quite easily without the added baggage of
religion.
--
Fred Stone
aa# 1369
"Honesty is the best policy, but insanity is a better defense."
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| User: "Pastor Frank" |
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| Title: Re: DOES ANY "REAL" GOD EXIST |
02 Oct 2005 11:51:49 AM |
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"Fred Stone" <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote in message
news:1128170748.1bfdb087937983652ceec778eb36d810@teranews...
"Pastor Frank" <PastorFrank@christfirst.edu> wrote in
news:7b11c$433e0f02$d1d89a48$6614@PRIMUS.CA:
"Bill" <wmech@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
news:ENf%e.9740$7l.561@bignews2.bellsouth.net...
For the narrow minded, ill informed or religious fanatics it is
revealing to be aware of what scientific mankind now knows about the
Universe. And this knowledge is based on scientific measures whose
accuracy is supported by a wealth of objective factual data; not
parables, folklore and mythology.
All this is non sequitur, for religion deals with the qualities of
existence, what's good and what's bad, right and wrong etc. not
existence itself. Try to get a grip willya?
Those things can be dealt with quite easily without the added baggage of
religion.
"Garbage"? Religion sets the standard of perfection we are to aim for.
Who sets your standards, you mom or dad perhaps?
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| User: "Fred Stone" |
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| Title: Re: DOES ANY "REAL" GOD EXIST |
03 Oct 2005 06:40:03 AM |
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"Pastor Frank" <PastorFrank@christfirst.edu> wrote in
news:d782e$4340a660$d1d89a50$19223@PRIMUS.CA:
"Fred Stone" <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote in message
news:1128170748.1bfdb087937983652ceec778eb36d810@teranews...
"Pastor Frank" <PastorFrank@christfirst.edu> wrote in
news:7b11c$433e0f02$d1d89a48$6614@PRIMUS.CA:
"Bill" <wmech@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
news:ENf%e.9740$7l.561@bignews2.bellsouth.net...
For the narrow minded, ill informed or religious fanatics it is
revealing to be aware of what scientific mankind now knows about
the Universe. And this knowledge is based on scientific measures
whose accuracy is supported by a wealth of objective factual data;
not parables, folklore and mythology.
All this is non sequitur, for religion deals with the qualities
of existence, what's good and what's bad, right and wrong etc. not
existence itself. Try to get a grip willya?
Those things can be dealt with quite easily without the added baggage
of religion.
"Garbage"? Religion sets the standard of perfection we are to aim
for.
Who sets your standards, you mom or dad perhaps?
The word is "baggage".
I set my own standards.
--
Fred Stone
aa# 1369
"Honesty is the best policy, but insanity is a better defense."
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| User: "Pastor Frank" |
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| Title: Re: DOES ANY "REAL" GOD EXIST |
04 Oct 2005 03:19:41 AM |
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"Fred Stone" <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote in message
news:1128339603.563b50d28ff090699c1615e7fc7aff74@teranews...
"Pastor Frank" <PastorFrank@christfirst.edu> wrote in
news:d782e$4340a660$d1d89a50$19223@PRIMUS.CA:
"Garbage"? Religion sets the standard of perfection we are to aim
for. Who sets your standards, you mom or dad perhaps?
The word is "baggage".
I set my own standards.
Are you asocial then? Most sane people follow laws, customs, or imitate
elders, groups etc. We follow Christ, or aim to. He is our paradigm. Who is
yours? Yourself? LOL Are you a self-worshipper?
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| User: "Fred Stone" |
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| Title: Re: DOES ANY "REAL" GOD EXIST |
05 Oct 2005 01:56:31 PM |
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"Pastor Frank" <PastorFrank@christfirst.edu> wrote in
news:39296$4343cda9$d1d89a49$11928@PRIMUS.CA:
"Fred Stone" <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote in message
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"Pastor Frank" <PastorFrank@christfirst.edu> wrote in
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"Garbage"? Religion sets the standard of perfection we are to
aim for. Who sets your standards, you mom or dad perhaps?
The word is "baggage".
I set my own standards.
Are you asocial then? Most sane people follow laws, customs, or
imitate
elders, groups etc. We follow Christ, or aim to. He is our paradigm.
Who is yours? Yourself? LOL Are you a self-worshipper?
No, I'm not asocial.
I obey the law, I don't worship it or anything or anybody else.
--
Fred Stone
aa# 1369
"If they want to have peace,
they have to accept to be governed by Islam."
- Abu Bakar Bashir
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| Title: Re: DOES ANY "REAL" GOD EXIST |
07 Oct 2005 08:47:24 PM |
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"Fred Stone" <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote in message
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"Pastor Frank" <PastorFrank@christfirst.edu> wrote in
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"Fred Stone" <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote in message
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"Pastor Frank" <PastorFrank@christfirst.edu> wrote in
news:d782e$4340a660$d1d89a50$19223@PRIMUS.CA:
"Garbage"? Religion sets the standard of perfection we are to
aim for. Who sets your standards, you mom or dad perhaps?
The word is "baggage".
I set my own standards.
Are you asocial then? Most sane people follow laws, customs, or
imitate
elders, groups etc. We follow Christ, or aim to. He is our paradigm.
Who is yours? Yourself? LOL Are you a self-worshipper?
No, I'm not asocial.
I obey the law, I don't worship it or anything or anybody else.
Fred Stone
aa# 1369
The law doesn't require you to be loving, caring and kind, but Christ
does, and I'm sure you parents also. Are your rejecting them all? That would
make you asocial.
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| User: "Fred Stone" |
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| Title: Re: DOES ANY "REAL" GOD EXIST |
08 Oct 2005 07:12:18 AM |
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"Pastor Frank" <PastorFrank@christfirst.edu> wrote in
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"Fred Stone" <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote in message
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"Pastor Frank" <PastorFrank@christfirst.edu> wrote in
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"Fred Stone" <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote in message
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"Pastor Frank" <PastorFrank@christfirst.edu> wrote in
news:d782e$4340a660$d1d89a50$19223@PRIMUS.CA:
"Garbage"? Religion sets the standard of perfection we are to
aim for. Who sets your standards, you mom or dad perhaps?
The word is "baggage".
I set my own standards.
Are you asocial then? Most sane people follow laws, customs, or
imitate
elders, groups etc. We follow Christ, or aim to. He is our paradigm.
Who is yours? Yourself? LOL Are you a self-worshipper?
No, I'm not asocial.
I obey the law, I don't worship it or anything or anybody else.
Fred Stone
aa# 1369
The law doesn't require you to be loving, caring and kind, but
Christ does, and I'm sure you parents also. Are your rejecting them
all? That would make you asocial.
I require those things of myself, Frank. I don't need your phony God of
Love to tell me to be loving, caring and kind. I can manage those things
all by myself.
--
Fred Stone
aa# 1369
"Well, certainly the president can claim executive privilege.
But in this case, I think with a lifetime appointment to the
Supreme Court, you can't play, you know, hide the salami,
or whatever it's called."
-- Howard Dean, on "Hardball"
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| User: "Pastor Frank" |
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| Title: Re: DOES ANY "REAL" GOD EXIST |
08 Oct 2005 02:56:25 PM |
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"Fred Stone" <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote in message
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"Pastor Frank" <PastorFrank@christfirst.edu> wrote in
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"Fred Stone" <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote in message
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"Pastor Frank" <PastorFrank@christfirst.edu> wrote in
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"Fred Stone" <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote in message
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"Pastor Frank" <PastorFrank@christfirst.edu> wrote in
news:d782e$4340a660$d1d89a50$19223@PRIMUS.CA:
"Garbage"? Religion sets the standard of perfection we are to
aim for. Who sets your standards, you mom or dad perhaps?
The word is "baggage".
I set my own standards.
Are you asocial then? Most sane people follow laws, customs, or
imitate
elders, groups etc. We follow Christ, or aim to. He is our paradigm.
Who is yours? Yourself? LOL Are you a self-worshipper?
No, I'm not asocial.
I obey the law, I don't worship it or anything or anybody else.
Fred Stone
aa# 1369
The law doesn't require you to be loving, caring and kind, but
Christ does, and I'm sure you parents also. Are your rejecting them
all? That would make you asocial.
I require those things of myself, Frank. I don't need your phony God of
Love to tell me to be loving, caring and kind. I can manage those things
all by myself.
You just might be a rare specimen Freddie, but what about everyone else
who isn't like you? What recommendations for knowing and practicing morality
and decency in their lives do you have for them?
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| User: "Fred Stone" |
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| Title: Re: DOES ANY "REAL" GOD EXIST |
08 Oct 2005 10:09:05 PM |
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"Pastor Frank" <PastorFrank@christfirst.edu> wrote in
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"Fred Stone" <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote in message
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"Pastor Frank" <PastorFrank@christfirst.edu> wrote in
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"Fred Stone" <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote in message
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"Pastor Frank" <PastorFrank@christfirst.edu> wrote in
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"Fred Stone" <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote in message
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"Pastor Frank" <PastorFrank@christfirst.edu> wrote in
news:d782e$4340a660$d1d89a50$19223@PRIMUS.CA:
"Garbage"? Religion sets the standard of perfection we are
to aim for. Who sets your standards, you mom or dad
perhaps?
The word is "baggage".
I set my own standards.
Are you asocial then? Most sane people follow laws, customs,
or imitate
elders, groups etc. We follow Christ, or aim to. He is our
paradigm. Who is yours? Yourself? LOL Are you a self-worshipper?
No, I'm not asocial.
I obey the law, I don't worship it or anything or anybody else.
Fred Stone
aa# 1369
The law doesn't require you to be loving, caring and kind, but
Christ does, and I'm sure you parents also. Are your rejecting them
all? That would make you asocial.
I require those things of myself, Frank. I don't need your phony God
of Love to tell me to be loving, caring and kind. I can manage those
things all by myself.
You just might be a rare specimen Freddie, but what about everyone
else who isn't like you? What recommendations for knowing and
practicing morality and decency in their lives do you have for them?
What about them? They don't need my advice, or yours or your phony God
of love either. Let them learn what's good for them by living their own
lives.
--
Fred Stone
aa# 1369
"Well, certainly the president can claim executive privilege.
But in this case, I think with a lifetime appointment to the
Supreme Court, you can't play, you know, hide the salami,
or whatever it's called."
-- Howard Dean, on "Hardball"
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| User: "Pastor Frank" |
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| Title: Re: DOES ANY "REAL" GOD EXIST |
10 Oct 2005 10:45:31 AM |
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"Fred Stone" <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote in message
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"Pastor Frank" <PastorFrank@christfirst.edu> wrote in
news:b9c5f$43486acb$d1d89a5d$26167@PRIMUS.CA:
You just might be a rare specimen Freddie, but what about everyone
else who isn't like you? What recommendations for knowing and
practicing morality and decency in their lives do you have for them?
What about them? They don't need my advice, or yours or your phony God
of love either. Let them learn what's good for them by living their own
lives.
Fred Stone aa# 1369
I think you might be shortsighted here, Fred. For many "what's good for
them" isn't good for you. At least our God incarnate admonishes us to love
and care for and about others as we are about ourselves, which protects your
freedoms, if not your life and property as well. What does your god or devil
advocate? Nothing?
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| User: "Dubh Ghall" |
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| Title: Re: DOES ANY "REAL" GOD EXIST |
09 Oct 2005 04:33:16 AM |
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On Sat, 8 Oct 2005 15:56:25 -0400, "Pastor Frank" <PastorFrank@christfirst.edu>
wrote:
I require those things of myself, Frank. I don't need your phony God of
Love to tell me to be loving, caring and kind. I can manage those things
all by myself.
You just might be a rare specimen Freddie, but what about everyone else
who isn't like you?
Most of them are already xtian, and the rest are muslim or jewish.
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| User: "thomas p" |
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| Title: Re: DOES ANY "REAL" GOD EXIST |
08 Oct 2005 02:35:29 AM |
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On Fri, 7 Oct 2005 21:47:24 -0400, "Pastor Frank"
<PastorFrank@christfirst.edu> wrote:
"Fred Stone" <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote in message
news:1128538591.c2954edc3e4430be7916f291172ec5e9@teranews...
"Pastor Frank" <PastorFrank@christfirst.edu> wrote in
news:39296$4343cda9$d1d89a49$11928@PRIMUS.CA:
"Fred Stone" <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote in message
news:1128339603.563b50d28ff090699c1615e7fc7aff74@teranews...
"Pastor Frank" <PastorFrank@christfirst.edu> wrote in
news:d782e$4340a660$d1d89a50$19223@PRIMUS.CA:
"Garbage"? Religion sets the standard of perfection we are to
aim for. Who sets your standards, you mom or dad perhaps?
The word is "baggage".
I set my own standards.
Are you asocial then? Most sane people follow laws, customs, or
imitate
elders, groups etc. We follow Christ, or aim to. He is our paradigm.
Who is yours? Yourself? LOL Are you a self-worshipper?
No, I'm not asocial.
I obey the law, I don't worship it or anything or anybody else.
Fred Stone
aa# 1369
The law doesn't require you to be loving, caring and kind,
but Christ
does, and I'm sure you parents also. Are your rejecting them all? That would
make you asocial.
Why do you lie about others so much? Why are you so full of hate?
Thomas P.
"Life must be lived forwards but understood backwards"
(Kierkegaard)
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| Title: Re: DOES ANY "REAL" GOD EXIST |
08 Oct 2005 02:51:02 PM |
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"thomas p" <tonyofbexarnospam@yahoo.dk> wrote in message
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On Fri, 7 Oct 2005 21:47:24 -0400, "Pastor Frank"
<PastorFrank@christfirst.edu> wrote:
"Fred Stone" <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote in message
news:1128538591.c2954edc3e4430be7916f291172ec5e9@teranews...
"Pastor Frank" <PastorFrank@christfirst.edu> wrote in
news:39296$4343cda9$d1d89a49$11928@PRIMUS.CA:
"Fred Stone" <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote in message
news:1128339603.563b50d28ff090699c1615e7fc7aff74@teranews...
"Pastor Frank" <PastorFrank@christfirst.edu> wrote in
news:d782e$4340a660$d1d89a50$19223@PRIMUS.CA:
"Garbage"? Religion sets the standard of perfection we are to
aim for. Who sets your standards, you mom or dad perhaps?
The word is "baggage".
I set my own standards.
Are you asocial then? Most sane people follow laws, customs, or
imitate
elders, groups etc. We follow Christ, or aim to. He is our paradigm.
Who is yours? Yourself? LOL Are you a self-worshipper?
No, I'm not asocial.
I obey the law, I don't worship it or anything or anybody else.
Fred Stone
aa# 1369
The law doesn't require you to be loving, caring and kind,
but Christ does, and I'm sure you parents also. Are your rejecting
them all? That would make you asocial.
Why do you lie about others so much? Why are you so full of hate?
I will answer that with I ain't. But tell us why you always screech ad
hominem when cornered?
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| User: "thomas p" |
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| Title: Re: DOES ANY "REAL" GOD EXIST |
09 Oct 2005 02:55:34 AM |
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On Sat, 8 Oct 2005 15:51:02 -0400, "Pastor Frank"
<PastorFrank@christfirst.edu> wrote:
Yet another message of hate.
Thomas P.
"Life must be lived forwards but understood backwards"
(Kierkegaard)
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| User: "Pastor Frank" |
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| Title: Re: DOES ANY "REAL" GOD EXIST |
10 Oct 2005 10:50:05 AM |
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"thomas p" <tonyofbexarnospam@yahoo.dk> wrote in message
news:2sghk15csh56cpmc9rebv6qgnl20cct9tq@4ax.com...
Yet another message of hate.
Thomas P.
Yes. Every message disagreeing with your atheism is "another message of
hate".
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| User: "Dubh Ghall" |
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| Title: Re: DOES ANY "REAL" GOD EXIST |
11 Oct 2005 10:46:26 AM |
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On Mon, 10 Oct 2005 11:50:05 -0400, "Pastor Frank" <PastorFrank@christfirst.edu>
wrote:
"thomas p" <tonyofbexarnospam@yahoo.dk> wrote in message
news:2sghk15csh56cpmc9rebv6qgnl20cct9tq@4ax.com...
Yet another message of hate.
Thomas P.
Yes. Every message disagreeing with your atheism is "another message of
hate".
Tell us again, Frank: Why are you xposting to alt atheism?
I mean, apart from trolling.
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