"Bill M" <wmech@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
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We hear hundreds of claims that some particular entity is the real god
and all the others are fakes. The vast majority of people believe in the
god or gods of their

family or area they live in. Does this make the belief true and
authentic? Hardly!

For a person who doesn't believe in God, you sure do spend
a lot of time thinking and writing about God. Thinking about
converting?

"Bill M" <wmech@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
news:6z9Ug.32287$tT6.9714@bignews7.bellsouth.net...

We hear hundreds of claims that some particular entity is the real god and
all the others are fakes. The vast majority of people believe in the god
or gods of their

family or area they live in. Does this make the belief true and authentic?
Hardly!

For a person who doesn't believe in God, you sure do spend
a lot of time thinking and writing about God. Thinking about
converting?

Bill M ha escrito:

We hear hundreds of claims that some particular entity is the real god
and
all the others are fakes. The vast majority of people believe in the god
or
gods of their

family or area they live in. Does this make the belief true and
authentic?
Hardly!



There are thousands of God beliefs and tales. Which, if any, is the real
God? Which are fakes?

What objective evidence is there as to which of the thousand or so God
beliefs is the real God? If there is a real God, why does he not tell us
directly that he is the real God and all the rest are fakes? God, being
omniscient knows precisely what would convince me of his existence. And
being omnipotent, it would cost him nothing to provide that proof, and if
he
cares about me he should be motivated to do so.


Why doesn't God permit any of our dead friends or loved ones to tell us,
directly from his heaven, about the real God and reality and grandeur of
his
wonderful heaven? Could it be that these are nothing more than the
creations
of man's imagination and non of these actually exist? It certainly seems
so.



If God exists, why does he need errant and contradictory interpreters
such
as priests, preachers, clergymen and shaman to speak for him? If man can
communicate with the whole world via TV, Radio and Telephone, why doesn't
God have his own TV network ( or communicate direct from heaven ) to
answer
our questions or at least demonstrate and confirm that he is the 'real
God'
and that all the others are fakes?



Why does only a very small fraction of mankind claim to hear God speak
and
then from different Gods? Are these claims based on fantasies from
mentally
deranged hallucinatory people or from people with selfish motivations?
There
is NO OBJECTIVE VERIFIABLE EVIDENCE that anyone has actually talked with
God or any of the billions of deceased mortals. There are only a
relatively
few and unauthenticated 'claims' of these 'contacts'.



Why would an all powerful God permit different scriptures, tomes, texts
and
religious beliefs, replete with myths, fables, differences,
contradictions
and implausible tales, to fuel the ravings of numerous sects, branches,
churches and rites? If any god exists, why does he not directly tell us
what
are his wishes and commands?



There are many different religions and literally thousands of God
beliefs.
There are many major religions such as Judaism, Buddhists, Sikhs, Hindus,
Muslims, Shintoists, Confusions, Christian Scientists, Mormons,
Protestants,
Catholics, Evangelicists, Baptists, Lutherans, Methodists, etc. Then
there
are also beliefs in the Devil.



Is the devil equal to or more powerful than god? If so, then surely the
devil must be god, and therefore god is responsible for evil. If not,
then
god allows the devil to exist and do evil, and therefore god is
responsible
for evil. Either way, god causes and is responsible for evil.



There are a plentitude of ancient religious documents that proclaim the
validity of these many Gods.



Major (not all) sacred texts and documents;



Baha'i Sacred writings

Life of Buddha - Dhammapada - Pali cannon

The Bible - Christian religious documents - 18 English versions alone.
Written by 66 claimed authors thousands of years ago. NO originals of the
old or new testaments exist.

The Book of Mormon - Church of Latter Day Saints

The Analects - Confucianism

The Eddas and Sagas - Icelandic beliefs

Wicca - Neo paganism of Greece and Rome over the centuries

Bhagavgita and Rig Veda - Hinduism

Qur'an - Islam

The Tanakh - Jewism

Tao-Te-Ching - Taoism

Nag Hammadi - Gnostics

Zhuan Falun - Falun Gong

And many more less popular religious beliefs.



Of all these different Gods and belief systems which is the true one, if
any, and which are fakes? None of these documents are objective evidence.
They are all documents written, copied, modified and further copied, over
the centuries, by errant men with their own personal selfish motivations.
There is no way to determine their authenticity or accuracy. The
objective
evidence is that they are a mixture of history, myth, folklore and
legends.
There certainly is no evidence that they are factual.



Which is the true religion and the real God? If there is a real God, why
doesn't he clearly declare directly from his heaven that he is the real
God
and correct belief system and that all the others are fakes? Certainly
if
man can effectively communicate with the whole world via TV, Radio, Cell
Phone and the internet any 'real' god could accomplish this.



Christian's favorite evidence for the existence of their God is the old
canard that the Universe could not just happen but had to have a
designer/creator. If it was designed/created by some God, this God has to
be
even more complex than the Universe, and using this same logic, would
require that God would also have to have a creator. Who or what created
God?
Where is the OBJECTIVE VERIFIABLE EVIDENCE of a real god creator? Why
would
any 'real' god

permit all this doubt and confusion?



Many religious types claim the Intelligent Design of the Universe is
proof
of God.

Intelligent design!? Consider reality. The Universe shows no evidence of
"intelligent" design!



Why does this all powerful creator, all loving and caring intelligent
designer create Plagues, Tsunamis, Tornadoes, Volcanic Eruptions, Earth
Quakes, Tornados, Wars, cancers and hundreds of debilitating diseases and
serious body malfunctions? There are 12,000 known diseases that affect
people of all ages and religious beliefs. Why does he permit 2,000,000
million children to starve to death every year?

Why does this all powerful and caring god permit totally 'innocent
children'
to die at birth? Or worse, be born lacking eyesight, a fully developed
brain, deaf and dumb, missing limbs etc.? Why are some born idiots and
others with super intelligence? Why are some born into wealth and others
pauper poor?



There is a parasitic worm in West Africa that bores through the eye of
innocent children and causes total blindness for the rest of their lives.
This is the work of an

all caring and loving god???



Why are his human creations designed to deteriorate into a miserable and
devastating old age regardless of their religious beliefs?

Why did this all powerful and loving creator create things like sharks,
jelly fish, octopus, lions, tigers, rhinoceros, poisonous snakes,
stinging
and poisonous insects, poisonous plants etc.? Why did this caring
benevolent
God create animals (including man) that need to kill and eat other
animals
to survive?



World War I claimed 9,000,000 lives of people of many religious faiths.
World War II indiscriminately claimed over 20,000,000 lives of people of
all
religious faiths, plus a vast destruction of property and more millions
maimed for life.

The recent Asian Tsunami has claimed over 200,000 lives; men, women and
children of all religious persuasions. 100,000 of these were totally
'innocent children'!

There were three major epidemics of the Bubonic Plaque - in the 6th,
14th.and 17th centuries. The death toll was over 137 million men, women
and
totally innocent children.

The influenza of 1918-1919 killed at least 25 million men, women and
innocent children indiscriminately.



Diseases like malaria, AIDS, tuberculosis, etc. maim and kill millions
indiscriminately every year. 2,000,000 innocent children die of
starvation
every year.

These afflict the young and old, atheists and those of all religious
persuasions.

If he exist, it would appear that this loving and caring God must
actually
be a cruel, heartless, mean and torturing tyrant.

If he treats us so cruelly during life, why do you think he will provide
us
eternal peace and happiness in his Heaven after death?

If there is a God that created the Universe, he is obviously not an
all-caring and benevolent God. Nor is he an 'Intelligent Designer'. The
objective evidence is that, if there is a god creator, he has no concern
about the welfare of the creatures on Earth.



This is understandable because the Earth is but a speck of dust in the
vast
Universe, of trillions of Planets and Stars, that is over 20 BILLION
LIGHT
YEARS across. (Light travels at 186.000 miles per SECOND!)

It appears that ALL the Gods are mythical creations of man's imagination
and do not actually exist.

Does anyone have objective verifiable evidence or proof that their God is
real and actually exists? The many ancient and contradictory documents of
these many religions are not objective evidence or proof; they are merely
the unsubstantiated and contradictory opinions, myths, fables and tales
of
other mortals. There is no objective evidence that ANY of these documents
are the word of any real God. The God beliefs are about as credible as
belief in the Wizard of Oz



The objective evidence is very substantial that NO GOD CREATED MAN but
quite
the opposite; that MAN CREATED GODS!

Dear unbeliever:

If we twere trying to prove the existence of only a god, you could have
a small chance of being right. A god is a god, and this can be real or
not. But you cannot win at this games, for there is not only a single
god, the thousands of them. So if you would be able to prove that any
of the gods on your list were a fake one, you would have a great lot of
work to prove they are all fake. For as the ufologues like to point, a
testimony can be a false testimony. But many hundreds of thousands of
testimonies cannot be all wrong.
So dont waste more your time preaching this obnosious doctrine about
the fakery of gods, for they are a legion of hundreds ot housands. For
there are not only those goid on you list, that very short, but yopu
have to take into account the billions and trillions of stars with
inhabitated planets, all of them full of faithful believers, with many
more thousand of gods in each planet.
I cannot understand how you dare to negate the existence of all those
billions and trillions of gods that populate the whole Universe.
your faithfuly,
Leopoldo

Bill M ha escrito:

We hear hundreds of claims that some particular entity is the real god and
all the others are fakes. The vast majority of people believe in the god or
gods of their

family or area they live in. Does this make the belief true and authentic?
Hardly!



There are thousands of God beliefs and tales. Which, if any, is the real
God? Which are fakes?

What objective evidence is there as to which of the thousand or so God
beliefs is the real God? If there is a real God, why does he not tell us
directly that he is the real God and all the rest are fakes? God, being
omniscient knows precisely what would convince me of his existence. And
being omnipotent, it would cost him nothing to provide that proof, and if he
cares about me he should be motivated to do so.


Why doesn't God permit any of our dead friends or loved ones to tell us,
directly from his heaven, about the real God and reality and grandeur of his
wonderful heaven? Could it be that these are nothing more than the creations
of man's imagination and non of these actually exist? It certainly seems so.



If God exists, why does he need errant and contradictory interpreters such
as priests, preachers, clergymen and shaman to speak for him? If man can
communicate with the whole world via TV, Radio and Telephone, why doesn't
God have his own TV network ( or communicate direct from heaven ) to answer
our questions or at least demonstrate and confirm that he is the 'real God'
and that all the others are fakes?



Why does only a very small fraction of mankind claim to hear God speak and
then from different Gods? Are these claims based on fantasies from mentally
deranged hallucinatory people or from people with selfish motivations? There
is NO OBJECTIVE VERIFIABLE EVIDENCE that anyone has actually talked with
God or any of the billions of deceased mortals. There are only a relatively
few and unauthenticated 'claims' of these 'contacts'.



Why would an all powerful God permit different scriptures, tomes, texts and
religious beliefs, replete with myths, fables, differences, contradictions
and implausible tales, to fuel the ravings of numerous sects, branches,
churches and rites? If any god exists, why does he not directly tell us what
are his wishes and commands?



There are many different religions and literally thousands of God beliefs.
There are many major religions such as Judaism, Buddhists, Sikhs, Hindus,
Muslims, Shintoists, Confusions, Christian Scientists, Mormons, Protestants,
Catholics, Evangelicists, Baptists, Lutherans, Methodists, etc. Then there
are also beliefs in the Devil.



Is the devil equal to or more powerful than god? If so, then surely the
devil must be god, and therefore god is responsible for evil. If not, then
god allows the devil to exist and do evil, and therefore god is responsible
for evil. Either way, god causes and is responsible for evil.



There are a plentitude of ancient religious documents that proclaim the
validity of these many Gods.



Major (not all) sacred texts and documents;



Baha'i Sacred writings

Life of Buddha - Dhammapada - Pali cannon

The Bible - Christian religious documents - 18 English versions alone.
Written by 66 claimed authors thousands of years ago. NO originals of the
old or new testaments exist.

The Book of Mormon - Church of Latter Day Saints

The Analects - Confucianism

The Eddas and Sagas - Icelandic beliefs

Wicca - Neo paganism of Greece and Rome over the centuries

Bhagavgita and Rig Veda - Hinduism

Qur'an - Islam

The Tanakh - Jewism

Tao-Te-Ching - Taoism

Nag Hammadi - Gnostics

Zhuan Falun - Falun Gong

And many more less popular religious beliefs.



Of all these different Gods and belief systems which is the true one, if
any, and which are fakes? None of these documents are objective evidence.
They are all documents written, copied, modified and further copied, over
the centuries, by errant men with their own personal selfish motivations.
There is no way to determine their authenticity or accuracy. The objective
evidence is that they are a mixture of history, myth, folklore and legends.
There certainly is no evidence that they are factual.



Which is the true religion and the real God? If there is a real God, why
doesn't he clearly declare directly from his heaven that he is the real God
and correct belief system and that all the others are fakes? Certainly if
man can effectively communicate with the whole world via TV, Radio, Cell
Phone and the internet any 'real' god could accomplish this.



Christian's favorite evidence for the existence of their God is the old
canard that the Universe could not just happen but had to have a
designer/creator. If it was designed/created by some God, this God has to be
even more complex than the Universe, and using this same logic, would
require that God would also have to have a creator. Who or what created God?
Where is the OBJECTIVE VERIFIABLE EVIDENCE of a real god creator? Why would
any 'real' god

permit all this doubt and confusion?



Many religious types claim the Intelligent Design of the Universe is proof
of God.

Intelligent design!? Consider reality. The Universe shows no evidence of
"intelligent" design!



Why does this all powerful creator, all loving and caring intelligent
designer create Plagues, Tsunamis, Tornadoes, Volcanic Eruptions, Earth
Quakes, Tornados, Wars, cancers and hundreds of debilitating diseases and
serious body malfunctions? There are 12,000 known diseases that affect
people of all ages and religious beliefs. Why does he permit 2,000,000
million children to starve to death every year?

Why does this all powerful and caring god permit totally 'innocent children'
to die at birth? Or worse, be born lacking eyesight, a fully developed
brain, deaf and dumb, missing limbs etc.? Why are some born idiots and
others with super intelligence? Why are some born into wealth and others
pauper poor?



There is a parasitic worm in West Africa that bores through the eye of
innocent children and causes total blindness for the rest of their lives.
This is the work of an

all caring and loving god???



Why are his human creations designed to deteriorate into a miserable and
devastating old age regardless of their religious beliefs?

Why did this all powerful and loving creator create things like sharks,
jelly fish, octopus, lions, tigers, rhinoceros, poisonous snakes, stinging
and poisonous insects, poisonous plants etc.? Why did this caring benevolent
God create animals (including man) that need to kill and eat other animals
to survive?



World War I claimed 9,000,000 lives of people of many religious faiths.
World War II indiscriminately claimed over 20,000,000 lives of people of all
religious faiths, plus a vast destruction of property and more millions
maimed for life.

The recent Asian Tsunami has claimed over 200,000 lives; men, women and
children of all religious persuasions. 100,000 of these were totally
'innocent children'!

There were three major epidemics of the Bubonic Plaque - in the 6th,
14th.and 17th centuries. The death toll was over 137 million men, women and
totally innocent children.

The influenza of 1918-1919 killed at least 25 million men, women and
innocent children indiscriminately.



Diseases like malaria, AIDS, tuberculosis, etc. maim and kill millions
indiscriminately every year. 2,000,000 innocent children die of starvation
every year.

These afflict the young and old, atheists and those of all religious
persuasions.

If he exist, it would appear that this loving and caring God must actually
be a cruel, heartless, mean and torturing tyrant.

If he treats us so cruelly during life, why do you think he will provide us
eternal peace and happiness in his Heaven after death?

If there is a God that created the Universe, he is obviously not an
all-caring and benevolent God. Nor is he an 'Intelligent Designer'. The
objective evidence is that, if there is a god creator, he has no concern
about the welfare of the creatures on Earth.



This is understandable because the Earth is but a speck of dust in the vast
Universe, of trillions of Planets and Stars, that is over 20 BILLION LIGHT
YEARS across. (Light travels at 186.000 miles per SECOND!)

It appears that ALL the Gods are mythical creations of man's imagination
and do not actually exist.

Does anyone have objective verifiable evidence or proof that their God is
real and actually exists? The many ancient and contradictory documents of
these many religions are not objective evidence or proof; they are merely
the unsubstantiated and contradictory opinions, myths, fables and tales of
other mortals. There is no objective evidence that ANY of these documents
are the word of any real God. The God beliefs are about as credible as
belief in the Wizard of Oz



The objective evidence is very substantial that NO GOD CREATED MAN but quite
the opposite; that MAN CREATED GODS!

Dear unbeliever:

If we twere trying to prove the existence of only a god, you could have
a small chance of being right. A god is a god, and this can be real or
not. But you cannot win at this games, for there is not only a single
god, the thousands of them. So if you would be able to prove that any
of the gods on your list were a fake one, you would have a great lot of
work to prove they are all fake. For as the ufologues like to point, a
testimony can be a false testimony. But many hundreds of thousands of
testimonies cannot be all wrong.
So dont waste more your time preaching this obnosious doctrine about
the fakery of gods, for they are a legion of hundreds ot housands. For
there are not only those goid on you list, that very short, but yopu
have to take into account the billions and trillions of stars with
inhabitated planets, all of them full of faithful believers, with many
more thousand of gods in each planet.
I cannot understand how you dare to negate the existence of all those
billions and trillions of gods that populate the whole Universe.
your faithfuly,
Leopoldo

Bill M wrote:

We hear hundreds of claims that some particular entity is the real god and
all the others are fakes. The vast majority of people believe in the god or
gods of their

We hear hundreds of claims from kooks that their theories of physics
are true and all the others are fakes. Does that mean we should believe
there is no such thing as an atom?

Bill M wrote:

We hear hundreds of claims that some particular entity is the real god and
all the others are fakes. The vast majority of people believe in the god or
gods of their

We hear hundreds of claims from kooks that their theories of physics
are true and all the others are fakes. Does that mean we should believe
there is no such thing as an atom?

Bill M wrote:

We hear hundreds of claims that some particular entity is the real god and
all the others are fakes. The vast majority of people believe in the god or
gods of their

We hear hundreds of claims from kooks that their theories of physics
are true and all the others are fakes. Does that mean we should believe
there is no such thing as an atom?

On Mon, 2 Oct 2006 10:42:37 -0400, "Bill M" <wmech@bellsouth.net>
wrote:

We hear hundreds of claims that some particular entity is the real god and
all the others are fakes. The vast majority of people believe in the god
or
gods of their

family or area they live in. Does this make the belief true and authentic?
Hardly!

Why do keep starting new cross-posted threads between alt.atheism and
the various religiouds groups?

You reduce yourself to the level of Puke and the other loonies.

On Mon, 2 Oct 2006 10:42:37 -0400, "Bill M" <wmech@bellsouth.net>
wrote:

We hear hundreds of claims that some particular entity is the real god and
all the others are fakes. The vast majority of people believe in the god or
gods of their

family or area they live in. Does this make the belief true and authentic?
Hardly!

Why do keep starting new cross-posted threads between alt.atheism and
the various religiouds groups?

You reduce yourself to the level of Puke and the other loonies.