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Religions > Atheism |
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"Bill M" |
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09 Oct 2006 12:51:32 AM |
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DOES ANY REAL GOD EXIST? |
Powerful evidence that no REAL gods exist.
A primary one is that there are thousands of different gods and god beliefs.
Any REAL god would make sure everyone is abundantly clear, directly from his
heaven, that he is the real god and all the others are fakes. He would use
his unlimited power to expose and eliminate the fakes.
This all powerful creator, all loving and caring intelligent designer, would
not create Plagues, Tsunamis, Tornadoes, Volcanic Eruptions, Earth Quakes,
Wars, Cancers and hundreds of debilitating diseases, serious body
malfunctions and starvation all of which punish people indiscriminately
regardless of their religious beliefs. If he did he would not be an all
loving all caring god but a brutal malevolent creature or nothing at all.
There are 12,000 known diseases that torture and kill man. The reality is
that no all loving and all powerful god would create or permit these
diseases to punish men of all religious persuasion and particularly totally
INNOCENT CHILDREN.
There is a similar quantity of diseases that punish animals. Animals don't
sin. Why are they being punished???
Why Is man born helpless and required to be nurtured, protected and trained
by adult parents for up to twenty years and then experience a punishing
physical and mental deterioration for approximately twenty years before
death.
If God exists, either he can do nothing to stop the most
egregious calamities, or he just does not care. God, therefore, is either
impotent or evil.
This is all so illogical and ridiculous that it has to be the mythical
creation of men.
Religion is things hoped for but not yet seen or proven. Science is things
seen and proven but not necessarily hoped for.
The objective evidence is that no gods created man but quite the opposite;
that man created imaginary gods! (thousands of them!)
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| User: "Christopher A. Lee" |
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| Title: Re: DOES ANY REAL GOD EXIST? |
09 Oct 2006 03:16:23 AM |
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On Sun, 8 Oct 2006 20:51:32 -0400, "Bill M" <wmech@bellsouth.net>
wrote:
How many times are you going to keep posting this?
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| User: "Bill M" |
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| Title: Re: DOES ANY REAL GOD EXIST? |
09 Oct 2006 03:29:05 PM |
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"Christopher A. Lee" <calee@optonline.net> wrote in message
news:3ofji2t82hh7u4ilftm5hq3ppdk0hfr80j@4ax.com...
On Sun, 8 Oct 2006 20:51:32 -0400, "Bill M" <wmech@bellsouth.net>
wrote:
How many times are you going to keep posting this?
Firstly it is none of your business. Secondly if you could read you would
see
this is a modification of the original post. Thirdly, if you disagree with
the content what is it?
Get a life.
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| User: "Christopher A. Lee" |
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| Title: Re: DOES ANY REAL GOD EXIST? |
09 Oct 2006 04:06:38 PM |
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On Mon, 9 Oct 2006 11:29:05 -0400, "Bill M" <wmech@bellsouth.net>
wrote:
"Christopher A. Lee" <calee@optonline.net> wrote in message
news:3ofji2t82hh7u4ilftm5hq3ppdk0hfr80j@4ax.com...
On Sun, 8 Oct 2006 20:51:32 -0400, "Bill M" <wmech@bellsouth.net>
wrote:
How many times are you going to keep posting this?
Firstly it is none of your business. Secondly if you could read you would
see
Of course it's my business, trolling newbie.
this is a modification of the original post. Thirdly, if you disagree with
the content what is it?
You know perfectly well it's nothing to do with "disagree" and
everything to do with your cross posting stuff to provoke flame wars.
We've heard it all before and aren't interested in hearing it again.
And we don't want even more BS cross-posted in response from the other
groups you're spamming where it is as rudely off-topic as the crap
they post here.
Please try to be less dishonest next time.
You don't even fool yourself.
Get a life.
Why the gratuitous nastiness?
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| User: "Bill M" |
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| Title: Re: DOES ANY REAL GOD EXIST? |
09 Oct 2006 07:41:40 PM |
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Oh my Oh my!
"Christopher A. Lee" <calee@optonline.net> wrote in message
news:gjski2d9jvs0p9pgr5ae1u97btg8isduql@4ax.com...
On Mon, 9 Oct 2006 11:29:05 -0400, "Bill M" <wmech@bellsouth.net>
wrote:
"Christopher A. Lee" <calee@optonline.net> wrote in message
news:3ofji2t82hh7u4ilftm5hq3ppdk0hfr80j@4ax.com...
On Sun, 8 Oct 2006 20:51:32 -0400, "Bill M" <wmech@bellsouth.net>
wrote:
How many times are you going to keep posting this?
Firstly it is none of your business. Secondly if you could read you would
see
Of course it's my business, trolling newbie.
this is a modification of the original post. Thirdly, if you disagree with
the content what is it?
You know perfectly well it's nothing to do with "disagree" and
everything to do with your cross posting stuff to provoke flame wars.
We've heard it all before and aren't interested in hearing it again.
And we don't want even more BS cross-posted in response from the other
groups you're spamming where it is as rudely off-topic as the crap
they post here.
Please try to be less dishonest next time.
You don't even fool yourself.
Get a life.
Why the gratuitous nastiness?
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| User: "Libertarius" |
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| Title: Re: DOES ANY REAL GOD EXIST? -- OF COURSE! |
09 Oct 2006 08:15:34 PM |
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YES, of course.
I.e. "SPINOZA'S GOD", so called by Albert Einstein. -- L.
FROM: WIKIPEDIA
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baruch_Spinoza
"Albert Einstein named Spinoza as the philosopher who exerted the most
influence on his worldview (Weltanschauung). Spinoza equated God
(infinite substance) with Nature, consistent with Einstein's belief in
an impersonal deity. In 1929, Einstein was asked in a telegram by Rabbi
Herbert S. Goldstein whether he believed in God. Einstein responded by
telegram "I believe in Spinoza's God who reveals himself in the orderly
harmony of what exists, not in a God who concerns himself with the fates
and actions of human beings."
"Spinoza argued that God and Nature were two names
for the same reality, namely the single substance
(meaning "to stand beneath" rather than "matter")
that underlies the universe and of which all lesser
"entities" are actually modes or modifications."
"Spinoza's "God or Nature" provided a living, natural God..."
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| User: "Christopher A. Lee" |
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| Title: Re: DOES ANY REAL GOD EXIST? -- OF COURSE! |
09 Oct 2006 08:57:58 PM |
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On Mon, 09 Oct 2006 14:15:34 -0600, Libertarius
<Libertarius@nothingbutthe.truth> wrote:
YES, of course.
I.e. "SPINOZA'S GOD", so called by Albert Einstein. -- L.
FROM: WIKIPEDIA
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baruch_Spinoza
"Albert Einstein named Spinoza as the philosopher who exerted the most
influence on his worldview (Weltanschauung). Spinoza equated God
(infinite substance) with Nature, consistent with Einstein's belief in
an impersonal deity. In 1929, Einstein was asked in a telegram by Rabbi
Herbert S. Goldstein whether he believed in God. Einstein responded by
telegram "I believe in Spinoza's God who reveals himself in the orderly
harmony of what exists, not in a God who concerns himself with the fates
and actions of human beings."
He was a secular Jew who used it as a metaphor.
"Spinoza argued that God and Nature were two names
for the same reality, namely the single substance
(meaning "to stand beneath" rather than "matter")
that underlies the universe and of which all lesser
"entities" are actually modes or modifications."
"Spinoza's "God or Nature" provided a living, natural God..."
Spinoza started off from God as described by his religion, and by
dropping the bits that didn't fit reality (as undestood even then)
reduced it to at most the universe. He certainly didn't reat the
universe as a god.
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| User: "Libertarius" |
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| Title: Re: DOES ANY REAL GOD EXIST? -- OF COURSE! |
10 Oct 2006 04:30:02 PM |
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Christopher A. Lee wrote:
On Mon, 09 Oct 2006 14:15:34 -0600, Libertarius
<Libertarius@nothingbutthe.truth> wrote:
YES, of course.
I.e. "SPINOZA'S GOD", so called by Albert Einstein. -- L.
FROM: WIKIPEDIA
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baruch_Spinoza
"Albert Einstein named Spinoza as the philosopher who exerted the most
influence on his worldview (Weltanschauung). Spinoza equated God
(infinite substance) with Nature, consistent with Einstein's belief in
an impersonal deity. In 1929, Einstein was asked in a telegram by Rabbi
Herbert S. Goldstein whether he believed in God. Einstein responded by
telegram "I believe in Spinoza's God who reveals himself in the orderly
harmony of what exists, not in a God who concerns himself with the fates
and actions of human beings."
He was a secular Jew who used it as a metaphor.
"Spinoza argued that God and Nature were two names
for the same reality, namely the single substance
(meaning "to stand beneath" rather than "matter")
that underlies the universe and of which all lesser
"entities" are actually modes or modifications."
"Spinoza's "God or Nature" provided a living, natural God..."
Spinoza started off from God as described by his religion, and by
dropping the bits that didn't fit reality (as undestood even then)
reduced it to at most the universe. He certainly didn't reat the
universe as a god.
===>Not as what YOU (or his fellow Jews) think a "god" is supposed to
be, of course.
But he gave the one and only definition for that word that DOES
refer to what really EXISTS! ;-) -- L.
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| User: "Christopher A. Lee" |
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| Title: Re: DOES ANY REAL GOD EXIST? -- OF COURSE! |
10 Oct 2006 05:06:31 PM |
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On Tue, 10 Oct 2006 10:30:02 -0600, Libertarius
<Libertarius@nothingbutthe.truth> wrote:
Christopher A. Lee wrote:
On Mon, 09 Oct 2006 14:15:34 -0600, Libertarius
<Libertarius@nothingbutthe.truth> wrote:
YES, of course.
I.e. "SPINOZA'S GOD", so called by Albert Einstein. -- L.
FROM: WIKIPEDIA
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baruch_Spinoza
"Albert Einstein named Spinoza as the philosopher who exerted the most
influence on his worldview (Weltanschauung). Spinoza equated God
(infinite substance) with Nature, consistent with Einstein's belief in
an impersonal deity. In 1929, Einstein was asked in a telegram by Rabbi
Herbert S. Goldstein whether he believed in God. Einstein responded by
telegram "I believe in Spinoza's God who reveals himself in the orderly
harmony of what exists, not in a God who concerns himself with the fates
and actions of human beings."
He was a secular Jew who used it as a metaphor.
"Spinoza argued that God and Nature were two names
for the same reality, namely the single substance
(meaning "to stand beneath" rather than "matter")
that underlies the universe and of which all lesser
"entities" are actually modes or modifications."
"Spinoza's "God or Nature" provided a living, natural God..."
Spinoza started off from God as described by his religion, and by
dropping the bits that didn't fit reality (as undestood even then)
reduced it to at most the universe. He certainly didn't reat the
universe as a god.
===>Not as what YOU (or his fellow Jews) think a "god" is supposed to
be, of course.
But he gave the one and only definition for that word that DOES
refer to what really EXISTS! ;-) -- L.
But not as a god.
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| User: "Dan Wood" |
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| Title: Re: DOES ANY REAL GOD EXIST? |
09 Oct 2006 03:19:01 AM |
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