Religions > Atheism > DOES DENTING GOD AND USING FOUL LANGUAGE MAKE YOU SCIENTIFICALLY MINDED?
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"MOTHER NATURE" |
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01 Sep 2005 03:31:44 AM |
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DOES DENTING GOD AND USING FOUL LANGUAGE MAKE YOU SCIENTIFICALLY MINDED? |
From the few exchanges I have had with the members of this group, I
have come to the conclusion that atheism does not require intelligence
as such. All the qualifications that a person needs are to assume
without any proof that there is no God, to treat people as idiots and
to use foul language to prove his or her superiority.
I set out by asking about the type of proof required to prove that God
is a reality. I was told by various members of the group that the onus
was on me to choose the proof. I asked whether the Wittgenstein
argument was acceptable, I was told by some members of the group that
arguments are not acceptable; only facts. Other members didn't know
about.
How can a person prove a thesis, without arguments? I personally don't
know. Accordingly, I dropped the issue to one side. I started to ask
members of the group to prove to me the existence of electrons without
arguments, they failed to prove anything. I moved to the implications
of assuming that there is no deity responsible for the creation and the
sustenance of the universe. I assumed logically that if you deny the
existence of a deity you automatically underline the falsehood of
religion. If further accepted as a natural corollary that if religion
were false then one is no longer is bound by its rules. Accordingly, I
asked the question about incest. My point was simple and straight
forward, religion prohibits incestuous relations. What would be the
position if we relegate religion to the side. I received various
answers some of them took the form "don't be stupid". I asked the
second question in this vein about the morality of the target society
that we are moving to after, hypothetically, rejecting a society based
on religion. I asked about drugs, pornography, sorcery, I was told that
drugs were generally alright much like aspirins one member explained.
Pornography was also considered acceptable between consenting adults.
From these answers I simply moved the next step. I reasoned that if we
accept these forms of behavior then we should not be surprised if one
day we have a Prime Minister, an Education Minister and a Police Chief
who exhibit theses behaviors. Most members of the group did not have
any objections to such possibilities if the persons indicated had the
right qualification together with little adjustments for propriety's
sake. From these responses I formulated the next question. As a father
who has children in school I wanted to know the implications of
changing the morality of society on my own children.
The members of the group indirectly said to me that you should not be
surprised if a Minister of Education was a porn star. That takes us one
step further. If it is alright for a Minister of Education to be a porn
star, it follows that teachers can be porn stars. From there on my
concern was about the level of trust that I can have in a teacher who
was a porn star. As I know that pornography has dabbled with teen sex
and even child sex I voiced my concern as to what can be expected from
people who were porn stars. I also inquired whether the ten
commandments have any merit and how to amend them to suite our
projected society which doesn't base itself on false and imaginary
concepts such as the concept of God.
In all the above I was not trying to insult anyone. As an academic, I
have learnt that you prove your thesis by logical argumentation. That
proof is a set of conditions that satisfy the mind rather than the
senses. The proof that 4+4=8 is a condition that satisfies the mind not
the eyes nor the ears.
consequently, all I learnt from the members of this group is that they
interested in eradicating religion, but they have no time for building
a better alternative for mankind. Indirectly, they are inviting mankind
to pull down our old house, but they are not prepared to design a
better one for us. The only message they are transmitting consciously
or unconsciously, is this:
If you deny God, treat people who believe in God as idiots, use foul
language to drive in your insults, you win the argument.
What is so great about denying God. What sort of IQ does a person need
to deny God. All my five senses can not experience God therefore God
doesn't exist. Any body who failed his primary school can make such a
declaration. Would that make him/her automatically, scientifically
minded.
However, if mankind manage to design a highly intelligent robot which,
by some stretch of the imagination, has the ability to reproduce
itself in some way similar to human reproduction. (In the sense that
the newly born robot has a clean hard disk, and has to learn some
functions, such as walking and communication, through experience).
My question is if we send a couple (male and female)of these robots to
Mars and ask them to establish a colony there to achieve a particular
purpose, would it be intelligent at all for any robot of the second,
third or any subsequent generations to make the above argument? i.e.
All my five senses can not experience Man therefore Man doesn't exist.
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| User: "The other Donald" |
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| Title: Re: DOES DENTING GOD AND USING FOUL LANGUAGE MAKE YOU SCIENTIFICALLY MINDED? |
01 Sep 2005 03:53:34 AM |
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"MOTHER NATURE" <avatar1.shyke@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1125545504.486603.98260@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
From the few exchanges I have had with the members of this group,
"Exchanges?" Is that what you call your lies and insults?
I
have come to the conclusion that atheism does not require intelligence
as such.
Such a fucked up conclusion is no surprise given that you are a prolific
liar, a hypocrite and an idiot.
All the qualifications that a person needs are to assume
without any proof that there is no God,
That's not the way it works, dumbass. There is no God(tm), nor is there
"proof" of the existence of one, yours included. Until you show evidence,
that's just the way it is.
to treat people as idiots
and
to use foul language to prove his or her superiority.
The superiority comes from showing your tripe for what it is, and being
analyrical thinkers.
You expected your insults and lies to actually be addressed as though they
had any merit. We are certainly happy to respond in an manner appropriate to
the level that your ***** deserved.
I set out by asking about the type of proof required to prove that God
is a reality. I was told by various members of the group that the onus
was on me to choose the proof.
Type of proof? Evidence, for starters, coupled with something outside that
delusional ***** up you have between your ears.
I asked whether the Wittgenstein
argument was acceptable, I was told by some members of the group that
arguments are not acceptable; only facts.
"Arguments," in the way you are using the term, are nothing more than
philosophy and unfounded assertions.
The same can be done with unicorns, with the evidence used being quotes from
the Bible. That doesn't prove a damn thing.
Rest of strawman ***** and red herrings snipped. It ain't worth the time.
<plonk>
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-Donald in Austin
AA #2104
Apatriot #22
Atheist FF/EMT
.....and ordained minister
Stork pin recipient: May 1, 2003 -Madelyn
(tm) 2004 G.O.P. All names used without permission from the copyright
holder. ***** 'em.
-Mr. Worf, set phasers on "***** You" and fire at will. -Doc Smartass
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| User: "muldoon" |
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| Title: Re: DOES DENTING GOD AND USING FOUL LANGUAGE MAKE YOU SCIENTIFICALLY MINDED? |
01 Sep 2005 04:21:48 AM |
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The other Donald wrote:
"MOTHER NATURE" <avatar1.shyke@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1125545504.486603.98260@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
From the few exchanges I have had with the members of this group,
"Exchanges?" Is that what you call your lies and insults?
I
have come to the conclusion that atheism does not require intelligence
as such.
Such a fucked up conclusion is no surprise given that you are a prolific
liar, a hypocrite and an idiot.
All the qualifications that a person needs are to assume
without any proof that there is no God,
That's not the way it works, dumbass. There is no God(tm), nor is there
"proof" of the existence of one, yours included. Until you show evidence,
that's just the way it is.
to treat people as idiots
and
to use foul language to prove his or her superiority.
The superiority comes from showing your tripe for what it is, and being
analyrical thinkers.
You expected your insults and lies to actually be addressed as though they
had any merit. We are certainly happy to respond in an manner appropriate to
the level that your ***** deserved.
I set out by asking about the type of proof required to prove that God
is a reality. I was told by various members of the group that the onus
was on me to choose the proof.
Type of proof? Evidence, for starters, coupled with something outside that
delusional ***** up you have between your ears.
I asked whether the Wittgenstein
argument was acceptable, I was told by some members of the group that
arguments are not acceptable; only facts.
"Arguments," in the way you are using the term, are nothing more than
philosophy and unfounded assertions.
The same can be done with unicorns, with the evidence used being quotes from
the Bible. That doesn't prove a damn thing.
Rest of strawman ***** and red herrings snipped. It ain't worth the time.
<plonk>
--
-Donald in Austin
AA #2104
(tm) 2004 G.O.P. All names used without permission from the copyright
holder. ***** 'em.
The "Hard atheist/Soft atheist" study was already done.
"Hard atheists" are usually angry types that shout things like, "These
is NO GOD!!" They are know to use profanity a great deal.
The "Soft atheists" are the true atheists, in that they simply DON"T
believe in God - they withhold belief.
The "Hard atheists" BELIEVE there is NO God.
"Hard atheists" sometimes have emotional problems.
Don't worry about it. The trees don't care.
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| User: "The other Donald" |
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| Title: Re: DOES DENTING GOD AND USING FOUL LANGUAGE MAKE YOU SCIENTIFICALLY MINDED? |
01 Sep 2005 04:45:33 AM |
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"muldoon" <brian9511@dslextreme.com> wrote in message
news:1125548508.075607.251410@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
The other Donald wrote:
"MOTHER NATURE" <avatar1.shyke@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1125545504.486603.98260@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
From the few exchanges I have had with the members of this group,
"Exchanges?" Is that what you call your lies and insults?
I
have come to the conclusion that atheism does not require intelligence
as such.
Such a fucked up conclusion is no surprise given that you are a prolific
liar, a hypocrite and an idiot.
All the qualifications that a person needs are to assume
without any proof that there is no God,
That's not the way it works, dumbass. There is no God(tm), nor is there
"proof" of the existence of one, yours included. Until you show
evidence,
that's just the way it is.
to treat people as idiots
and
to use foul language to prove his or her superiority.
The superiority comes from showing your tripe for what it is, and being
analyrical thinkers.
You expected your insults and lies to actually be addressed as though
they
had any merit. We are certainly happy to respond in an manner
appropriate to
the level that your ***** deserved.
I set out by asking about the type of proof required to prove that God
is a reality. I was told by various members of the group that the onus
was on me to choose the proof.
Type of proof? Evidence, for starters, coupled with something outside
that
delusional ***** up you have between your ears.
I asked whether the Wittgenstein
argument was acceptable, I was told by some members of the group that
arguments are not acceptable; only facts.
"Arguments," in the way you are using the term, are nothing more than
philosophy and unfounded assertions.
The same can be done with unicorns, with the evidence used being quotes
from
the Bible. That doesn't prove a damn thing.
Rest of strawman ***** and red herrings snipped. It ain't worth the
time.
<plonk>
--
-Donald in Austin
AA #2104
(tm) 2004 G.O.P. All names used without permission from the copyright
holder. ***** 'em.
The "Hard atheist/Soft atheist" study was already done.
"Hard atheists" are usually angry types that shout things like, "These
is NO GOD!!" They are know to use profanity a great deal.
Shouting is overrated, though if you're implying that all caps is indicative
of 'shouting' in a written medium, please pay close attention to the subject
line. Couple that with Mother Nature's incomprehensible ramblings and lack
of thrid-grade punctuation, and it would appear that he is a raging idiot.
That is, of course, using your criteria.
Furthermore, my profanity is directed at those that richly deserve it,
especially those stupid puddles of dicksnot that make their inept efforts at
telling us what we *do and do *not believe, think and feel, and insist on
writing stupid ***** like MN is now known for. There was another fuckwit that
staggered through here making similar allusions about atheists and Kim Jung
Il, though, fortunately, I've forgotten the imbecillic questions he was
asking.
I'll take profanity, any day, over a dishonest, lying sack of ***** of *****
that merely refrains from poopie words.
The "Soft atheists" are the true atheists, in that they simply DON"T
believe in God - they withhold belief.
That statement is mutually exclusive. They 'don't believe something, but
they don't not believe it.' Would it be possible for you to buy a fucking
clue before you write this *****?
The "Hard atheists" BELIEVE there is NO God.
Why should we give christian delusions even a passing consideration, let
alone any serious discussion? It's nothing more than that, right up there
with Santa Claus and the Easter Bunny.
"Hard atheists" sometimes have emotional problems.
Not likely. We just have a low tolerance for stupid *****.....take your
stupid ***** for instance: you didn't use profanity, but it didn't stop
you from lying and making such an unfounded and inept claim.
Don't worry about it. The trees don't care.
Did they tell you that? Do you hear these voices often?
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-Donald in Austin
AA #2104
Apatriot #22
Atheist FF/EMT
.....and ordained minister
Stork pin recipient: May 1, 2003 -Madelyn
-Mr. Worf, set phasers on "***** You" and fire at will. -Doc Smartass
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| User: "Dale" |
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| Title: Re: DOES DENTING GOD AND USING FOUL LANGUAGE MAKE YOU SCIENTIFICALLY MINDED? |
01 Sep 2005 06:03:00 AM |
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"muldoon" <brian9511@dslextreme.com> wrote in message
news:1125548508.075607.251410@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
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The "Hard atheist/Soft atheist" study was already done.
"Hard atheists" are usually angry types that shout things like, "These
is NO GOD!!" They are know to use profanity a great deal.
The "Soft atheists" are the true atheists, in that they simply DON"T
believe in God - they withhold belief.
The "Hard atheists" BELIEVE there is NO God.
"Hard atheists" sometimes have emotional problems.
Don't worry about it. The trees don't care.
You're right about hard and soft atheists, and it's hilarious that two very
hard atheists have gone ballistic on you for it. Hard atheists I have known
were usually anti-catholic or anti-Southern Baptist, not really atheists so
much as antitheists. They are deeply scarred by their upbringing and take
every chance to become enraged about it. But it's a small sample size, so I
could be wrong. I'm sure Uncle Vic and The Other Donald both came from well
adjusted Methodist households.
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| User: "The other Donald" |
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| Title: Re: DOES DENTING GOD AND USING FOUL LANGUAGE MAKE YOU SCIENTIFICALLY MINDED? |
01 Sep 2005 06:26:35 AM |
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"Dale" <dmgreer@nspm.airmail.net> wrote in message
news:oQwRe.3486$v83.1002@newssvr33.news.prodigy.com...
"muldoon" <brian9511@dslextreme.com> wrote in message
news:1125548508.075607.251410@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
[...]
The "Hard atheist/Soft atheist" study was already done.
"Hard atheists" are usually angry types that shout things like, "These
is NO GOD!!" They are know to use profanity a great deal.
The "Soft atheists" are the true atheists, in that they simply DON"T
believe in God - they withhold belief.
The "Hard atheists" BELIEVE there is NO God.
"Hard atheists" sometimes have emotional problems.
Don't worry about it. The trees don't care.
You're right about hard and soft atheists,
You're both as wrong as a monkey fucking a football.
and it's hilarious that two very
hard atheists have gone ballistic on you for it.
Wrong again, dumbass. But such is the m.o. of you and your ilk.
Hard atheists I have known
were usually anti-catholic or anti-Southern Baptist, not really atheists
so
much as antitheists.
Which means they weren't atheists, you idiot. In fact, look at the stupid
***** you wrote in that sentence: effectively you said "they're atheists, but
they're not atheists."
How long do you have to practice to be such a stupid *****?
They are deeply scarred by their upbringing and take
every chance to become enraged about it.
Does the incompetent speculation from you fuckwits ever stop?
Did it ever occur to either of you dipshits that perhaps it is *YOU* and
your lies that I have a problem with? No, of course not. No one could
possibly take issue with you two circle-jerks and your neverending fountain
of *****.
But it's a small sample size, so I
could be wrong.
I'd bet that you're about 100% wrong. Of course, Vic's calculation may vary
by one- or two-tenths of a percent.
I'm sure Uncle Vic and The Other Donald both came from well
adjusted Methodist households.
Church of Christ, actually. I adjusted to reality quite well, and have since
I was about twelve.
Now, please be yet *ANOTHER* predictable ***** and try to make some
remark to the effect of "what did the church/pastor/etc do to you that
turned you away from God(tm)."
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-Donald in Austin
AA #2104
Apatriot #22
Atheist FF/EMT
.....and ordained minister
Stork Pin recipient: May 1, 2003 -Madelyn
(tm) 2005 G.O.P. All names used without permission from the copyright
holder. ***** 'em.
-Mr. Worf, set phasers on "***** You" and fire at will. -Doc Smartass
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| User: "J Young" |
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| Title: Re: DOES DENTING GOD AND USING FOUL LANGUAGE MAKE YOU SCIENTIFICALLY MINDED? |
01 Sep 2005 05:05:12 PM |
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Dale wrote:
You're right about hard and soft atheists, and it's hilarious that two very
hard atheists have gone ballistic on you for it. Hard atheists I have known
were usually anti-catholic or anti-Southern Baptist, not really atheists so
much as antitheists. They are deeply scarred by their upbringing and take
every chance to become enraged about it. But it's a small sample size, so I
could be wrong. I'm sure Uncle Vic and The Other Donald both came from well
adjusted Methodist households.
I don't know "Uncle Vic" but Donald is a different story. Donald's
anger stems from that he has been the object of ridicule and abuse all
his life. Donald has always led an "alternate lifestyle" which does not
make him very popular. Even his buddies today mock him, labeling him
with the name "Nails", and it's not because he's tough as nails. Ask
him sometime to explain it to you. Expect him to get a little angry.
He's not a bad guy, just very hostile and uncouth.
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| User: "Uncle Vic" |
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| Title: Re: DOES DENTING GOD AND USING FOUL LANGUAGE MAKE YOU SCIENTIFICALLY MINDED? |
01 Sep 2005 04:46:08 AM |
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Once upon a time in alt.atheism, dear sweet muldoon (brian9511
@dslextreme.com) made the light shine upon us with this:
The "Hard atheist/Soft atheist" study was already done.
"Hard atheists" are usually angry types that shout things like, "These
is NO GOD!!" They are know to use profanity a great deal.
What's wrong with that? It's not like we stand on street corners holding
big gaudy Jesus Saves signs, shouting nonsense at passers by.
The "Soft atheists" are the true atheists, in that they simply DON"T
believe in God - they withhold belief.
As if there's a belief fighting to get out. You seem to be re-defining
belief, as if you believe in a god that is obviously real. That's
presupposition, and it's behind most of the faulty apologetics seen here.
The "Hard atheists" BELIEVE there is NO God.
Presuppostion again. What god is there to disbelieve?
"Hard atheists" sometimes have emotional problems.
So do a lot of Christians. The suicide rate is much higher among the
religious. But that's probably because there are so damn many of the
fuckers.
Don't worry about it. The trees don't care.
Trees don't believe in supernatural buddies in the sky either.
--
Uncle Vic
aa#2011
Supervisor, EAC Department of little adhesive-backed "L" shaped
chrome-plastic doo-dads to add feet to Jesus fish department
http://home.comcast.net/~vickman/
Plonked by Raytard
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| User: "basilisk_lizard" |
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| Title: Re: DOES DENTING GOD AND USING FOUL LANGUAGE MAKE YOU SCIENTIFICALLY MINDED? |
01 Sep 2005 06:31:42 AM |
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"Uncle Vic" <address@withheld.com> wrote in message news:Xns96C3DD88DE369vicman@216.196.97.136...
"Hard atheists" are usually angry types that shout things like, "These
is NO GOD!!" They are know to use profanity a great deal.
What's wrong with that? It's not like we stand on street corners holding
big gaudy Jesus Saves signs, shouting nonsense at passers by.
But you dwell in the dark, preying for your next victim... lurking...
with foam on your mouth... and grinning...
So do a lot of Christians. The suicide rate is much higher among the
religious. But that's probably because there are so damn many of the
fuckers.
Yeah, and YOUR kind helps them...
Don't worry about it. The trees don't care.
Trees don't believe in supernatural buddies in the sky either.
Yup they do... at least, trees are smarter than you.
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| User: "The other Donald" |
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| Title: Re: DOES DENTING GOD AND USING FOUL LANGUAGE MAKE YOU SCIENTIFICALLY MINDED? |
01 Sep 2005 06:44:06 AM |
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"basilisk_lizard" <basilisk_lizard@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:4316a047_2@x-privat.org...
"Uncle Vic" <address@withheld.com> wrote in message
news:Xns96C3DD88DE369vicman@216.196.97.136...
"Hard atheists" are usually angry types that shout things like, "These
is NO GOD!!" They are know to use profanity a great deal.
What's wrong with that? It's not like we stand on street corners
holding
big gaudy Jesus Saves signs, shouting nonsense at passers by.
But you dwell in the dark, preying for your next victim... lurking...
with foam on your mouth... and grinning...
....waiting for the right moment to push a stupid ***** like you into
traffic and make it look like an accident.
So do a lot of Christians. The suicide rate is much higher among the
religious. But that's probably because there are so damn many of the
fuckers.
Yeah, and YOUR kind helps them...
I'd be glad to help a fuckwit like you, removing you from the gene pool and
my planet.
Don't worry about it. The trees don't care.
Trees don't believe in supernatural buddies in the sky either.
Yup they do... at least, trees are smarter than you.
You write the lame-assed post that you did, with that inept remark as its
closing? A dog uses more 'thought' to take a ***** than you used to compose
such drivel.
--
-Donald in Austin
AA #2104
Apatriot #22
Atheist FF/EMT
.....and ordained minister
Stork pin recipient: May 1, 2003 -Madelyn
-Mr. Worf, set phasers on "***** You" and fire at will. -Doc Smartass
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| User: "impenitent_people" |
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| Title: Re: DOES DENTING GOD AND USING FOUL LANGUAGE MAKE YOU SCIENTIFICALLY MINDED? |
01 Sep 2005 10:57:12 PM |
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"The other Donald" <the_donald_13@yahooX.com> wrote in message
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But you dwell in the dark, preying for your next victim... lurking...
with foam on your mouth... and grinning...
...waiting for the right moment to push a stupid ***** like you into
traffic and make it look like an accident.
Never say die!
Yeah, and YOUR kind helps them...
I'd be glad to help a fuckwit like you, removing you from the gene pool and
my planet.
Never say die!
Yup they do... at least, trees are smarter than you.
You write the lame-assed post that you did, with that inept remark as its
closing? A dog uses more 'thought' to take a ***** than you used to compose
such drivel.
Well, I did reply to YOUR post, didn't I?
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| User: "Uncle Vic" |
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| Title: Re: DOES DENTING GOD AND USING FOUL LANGUAGE MAKE YOU SCIENTIFICALLY MINDED? |
01 Sep 2005 04:45:26 PM |
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Once upon a time in alt.atheism, dear sweet basilisk_lizard
(basilisk_lizard@gmail.com) made the light shine upon us with this:
"Uncle Vic" <address@withheld.com> wrote in message
news:Xns96C3DD88DE369vicman@216.196.97.136...
"Hard atheists" are usually angry types that shout things like,
"These is NO GOD!!" They are know to use profanity a great deal.
What's wrong with that? It's not like we stand on street corners
holding big gaudy Jesus Saves signs, shouting nonsense at passers by.
But you dwell in the dark, preying for your next victim... lurking...
with foam on your mouth... and grinning...
Oh come on. Do you really think atheists are evil?
So do a lot of Christians. The suicide rate is much higher among the
religious. But that's probably because there are so damn many of the
fuckers.
Yeah, and YOUR kind helps them...
Why would an atheist drive a religious person to suicide? Unless of
course, their faith is not as strong as they thought...
Don't worry about it. The trees don't care.
Trees don't believe in supernatural buddies in the sky either.
Yup they do... at least, trees are smarter than you.
Ad-hom noted.
--
Uncle Vic
aa#2011
Supervisor, EAC Department of little adhesive-backed "L" shaped
chrome-plastic doo-dads to add feet to Jesus fish department
http://home.comcast.net/~vickman/
Plonked by Raytard
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| User: "impenitent_people" |
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| Title: Re: DOES DENTING GOD AND USING FOUL LANGUAGE MAKE YOU SCIENTIFICALLY MINDED? |
01 Sep 2005 10:58:35 PM |
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"Uncle Vic" <address@withheld.com> wrote in message news:Xns96C4635786AFEvicman@216.196.97.136...
But you dwell in the dark, preying for your next victim... lurking...
with foam on your mouth... and grinning...
Oh come on. Do you really think atheists are evil?
Not all. Of course.
Yeah, and YOUR kind helps them...
Why would an atheist drive a religious person to suicide? Unless of
course, their faith is not as strong as they thought...
Noep, not all. But there are people of whom I know something
about...
Yup they do... at least, trees are smarter than you.
Ad-hom noted.
Znam ja majstore da ti znas latinski, nije frka znam i ja invinveritas...
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| User: "Robibnikoff" |
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| Title: Re: DOES DENTING GOD AND USING FOUL LANGUAGE MAKE YOU SCIENTIFICALLY MINDED? |
01 Sep 2005 12:32:24 PM |
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"MOTHER NATURE" <avatar1.shyke@gmail.com> wrote in message
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From the few exchanges I have had with the members of this group, I
have come to the conclusion that atheism does not require intelligence
as such.
From reading all of your posts, I have come to the conclusion that you're a
boring turd-bucket.
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Science doesn't burn people at the stake for disagreeing - Vic Sagerquist
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| User: "Elroy Willis" |
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01 Sep 2005 02:00:57 PM |
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Robibnikoff <witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote in alt.atheism
MOTHER NATURE <avatar1.shyke@gmail.com> wrote in message
From the few exchanges I have had with the members of this group, I
have come to the conclusion that atheism does not require intelligence
as such.
From reading all of your posts, I have come to the conclusion that you're a
boring turd-bucket.
Plonk time, don't you think?
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Elroy Willis
www.elroysemporium.com
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| User: "Parsifal" |
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01 Sep 2005 03:49:04 PM |
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*From the few exchanges I have had with the members of this group, I
*have come to the conclusion that atheism does not require intelligence
*as such.
You don't "exchange" with people, you start by insulting them like when
you pretend that "atheists" (whatever that means...) advocate the use
of drugs, have sex with their sisters or wish to have a porn star as a
school teacher...
If you go in the street and tell the people such nonsense, expect to
lose a few teeth. So, you should be happy that we normally stick to a
good old "go ***** yourself".
*to treat people as idiots and
*to use foul language to prove his or her superiority.
No, that's the way we answer to insults.
*In all the above I was not trying to insult anyone.
By saying that, you are insulting us again...
*What sort of IQ does a person need
*to deny God.
Here are the insults again... Believing or not has nothing to do with
IQ. There are plenty of intelligent believers and plenty of intelligent
atheists. It's a question of choice.
If I said "what kind of IQ does it take to not like the music of John
Coltrane", and you happen to not like Coltrane's music, how would you
feel?
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| User: "Vivapadrepios personal Cthulhu" |
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01 Sep 2005 06:19:49 PM |
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Cometh the hour, cometh "MOTHER NATURE" <avatar1.shyke@gmail.com>
who, with imperceptibly subtle footwork in alt.atheism, gave us this:
From the few exchanges I have had with the members of this group, I
have come to the conclusion that atheism does not require intelligence
as such. All the qualifications that a person needs are to assume
without any proof that there is no God, to treat people as idiots and
to use foul language to prove his or her superiority.
I can only speak for myself, but I only ever abuse people who come at
me with an attitude. They are asking for it, particularly when it is
an attitude they are not entitled to. If and when you grow up, you
will understand what I mean.
Now, I will ask you politely and for the last time, to stop posting to
alt.atheism. You are noty a nioce perwson, and you definitaely are not
a sane person.
Goodbye.
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David Silverman F.L.A.H.N. aa #2208
Either religion goes or civilisation does. It's that simple.
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| User: "Cary Kittrell" |
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| Title: Re: DOES DENTING GOD AND USING FOUL LANGUAGE MAKE YOU SCIENTIFICALLY MINDED? |
01 Sep 2005 04:11:09 PM |
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In article <1125545504.486603.98260@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> "MOTHER NATURE" <avatar1.shyke@gmail.com> writes:
From the few exchanges I have had with the members of this group, I
have come to the conclusion that atheism does not require intelligence
as such. All the qualifications that a person needs are to assume
without any proof that there is no God, to treat people as idiots and
to use foul language to prove his or her superiority.
Fucking-A right. There are indeed atheists on this group who act
like this, and I happen to agree that it's sad. There are also
theists who act in precisely the same manner, and that is equally
fruitless.
I set out by asking about the type of proof required to prove that God
is a reality. I was told by various members of the group that the onus
was on me to choose the proof. I asked whether the Wittgenstein
argument was acceptable, I was told by some members of the group that
arguments are not acceptable; only facts. Other members didn't know
about.
I find logical arguments prefectly acceptable. I have so far seen
none which I find convincing.
How can a person prove a thesis, without arguments? I personally don't
know. Accordingly, I dropped the issue to one side. I started to ask
members of the group to prove to me the existence of electrons without
arguments, they failed to prove anything. I moved to the implications
of assuming that there is no deity responsible for the creation and the
sustenance of the universe. I assumed logically that if you deny the
existence of a deity you automatically underline the falsehood of
religion. If further accepted as a natural corollary that if religion
were false then one is no longer is bound by its rules. Accordingly, I
asked the question about incest. My point was simple and straight
forward, religion prohibits incestuous relations. What would be the
position if we relegate religion to the side. I received various
answers some of them took the form "don't be stupid".
Well, here's a different answer (and one I gave before): all cultures
have incest taboos. Therefore incest avoidance is a part of our
wiring, as it is for a number of other species of animals.
Therefore religion is not necessary for a culture to have prohibitions
against it. If there were no gods condemning incest, it would
be necessary for us to invent them and put these words into their
mouths.
I asked the
second question in this vein about the morality of the target society
that we are moving to after, hypothetically, rejecting a society based
on religion. I asked about drugs, pornography, sorcery, I was told that
drugs were generally alright much like aspirins one member explained.
Pornography was also considered acceptable between consenting adults.
Yep. And you yourself have failed to answer repeated questions as to
why you think this things are unconditionally bad.
Haven't you?
From these answers I simply moved the next step. I reasoned that if we
accept these forms of behavior then we should not be surprised if one
day we have a Prime Minister, an Education Minister and a Police Chief
who exhibit theses behaviors.
You know, I don't really care if my mayor reads Playboy, smokes dope,
and has a rabbit's foot in his pocket, as long as he is an honest
and effective mayor.
Would you care? If so, why?
Most members of the group did not have
any objections to such possibilities if the persons indicated had the
right qualification together with little adjustments for propriety's
sake. From these responses I formulated the next question. As a father
who has children in school I wanted to know the implications of
changing the morality of society on my own children.
Why then, your children might someday read Playboy, smoke dope,
and carry rabbits' feet.
This woudld be a disaster...why, again?...
The members of the group indirectly said to me that you should not be
surprised if a Minister of Education was a porn star. That takes us one
step further. If it is alright for a Minister of Education to be a porn
star, it follows that teachers can be porn stars. From there on my
concern was about the level of trust that I can have in a teacher who
was a porn star. As I know that pornography has dabbled with teen sex
and even child sex I voiced my concern as to what can be expected from
people who were porn stars.
Well, one of the first things you could expect is that they would
not be taking up low-paying teaching jobs any time soon.
I also inquired whether the ten
commandments have any merit and how to amend them to suite our
projected society which doesn't base itself on false and imaginary
concepts such as the concept of God.
The useful ones -- don't murder, don't steal, don't lie so as
to cause real damage -- are already embodied in law.
In all the above I was not trying to insult anyone. As an academic, I
have learnt that you prove your thesis by logical argumentation. That
proof is a set of conditions that satisfy the mind rather than the
senses. The proof that 4+4=8 is a condition that satisfies the mind not
the eyes nor the ears.
consequently, all I learnt from the members of this group is that they
interested in eradicating religion, but they have no time for building
a better alternative for mankind. Indirectly, they are inviting mankind
to pull down our old house, but they are not prepared to design a
better one for us. The only message they are transmitting consciously
or unconsciously, is this:
If you deny God, treat people who believe in God as idiots, use foul
language to drive in your insults, you win the argument.
Or alternatively, you can answer as I did ... and expect no reply
in return.
-- cary
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| User: "FlameStrike" |
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| Title: Re: DOES DENTING GOD AND USING FOUL LANGUAGE MAKE YOU SCIENTIFICALLY MINDED? |
01 Sep 2005 10:38:01 AM |
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In article <1125545504.486603.98260@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>,
avatar1.shyke@gmail.com says...
I assumed logically that if you deny the
existence of a deity you automatically underline the falsehood of
religion. If further accepted as a natural corollary that if religion
were false then one is no longer is bound by its rules. Accordingly, I
asked the question about incest. My point was simple and straight
forward, religion prohibits incestuous relations.
You must have missed my post regarding Genesis 19 starting somewhere around
verse 30, which seems to me to directly address the issue in the Bible. Given
the circumstances, it almost sounds like an endorsement, but I an hardly a
biblical scholar, and would be interested in what others see in it.
Since I haven't really followed the rest of the thread
s since then, I'm not
going to start now. I just wanted t
get your reaction to this.
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FlameStrike
"My honor is my life!"
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| User: "MOTHER NATURE" |
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| Title: Re: DOES DENTING GOD AND USING FOUL LANGUAGE MAKE YOU SCIENTIFICALLY MINDED? |
01 Sep 2005 03:10:42 PM |
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I am not arguing for the Old Testament, the New Testament or the Koran.
I am simply discussing the possibility of there being an intelligent
designer behind the intelligent design of the universe?
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| User: "Robibnikoff" |
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01 Sep 2005 03:37:14 PM |
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"MOTHER NATURE" <avatar1.shyke@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1125587442.739536.217820@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
I am not arguing for the Old Testament, the New Testament or the Koran.
I am simply discussing the possibility of there being an intelligent
designer behind the intelligent design of the universe?
As you asking us or telling us?
If you have evidence of an intelligent designer, please present it.
Otherwise, shut the hell up.
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Science doesn't burn people at the stake for disagreeing - Vic Sagerquist
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| User: "FlameStrike" |
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01 Sep 2005 03:30:02 PM |
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In article <1125587442.739536.217820@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>,
avatar1.shyke@gmail.com says...
I am not arguing for the Old Testament, the New Testament or the Koran.
I am simply discussing the possibility of there being an intelligent
designer behind the intelligent design of the universe?
You really need to learn to quote. It's hard figuring out who or what you are
replying to.
That said, I was just providing a counterargument, from a religious document,
that can be seen to promote incest as acceptable. This would seem to cotradict
your argument that religion is the reason it is considered to be wrong and
that eliminating religion would make it acceptable.
Even without religion, there are negative consequences that tend to arise from
incest, which would generally result in it being a threat to the survival of
our species. This, being widely considered a bad thing, is a reason it would
still be considered wrong even if religion weren't a factor for anyone.
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"My honor is my life!"
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| User: "Elroy Willis" |
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01 Sep 2005 03:37:14 PM |
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MOTHER NATURE <avatar1.shyke@gmail.com> wrote in alt.atheism
I am not arguing for the Old Testament, the New Testament or the Koran.
I am simply discussing the possibility of there being an intelligent
designer behind the intelligent design of the universe?
Who or what designed the intelligent designer? If the intelligent
designer is even more complex than the things it supposedly designed,
then surely it needs a designer or creator of its own, right?
Is your intelligent designer responsible for colliding galaxies,
meteors and comets smashing into planets and moons, hurricanes,
earthquakes and tornadoes?
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Elroy Willis
www.elroysemporium.com
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| User: "DanielSan" |
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01 Sep 2005 10:43:23 PM |
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MOTHER NATURE wrote:
I am not arguing for the Old Testament, the New Testament or the Koran.
I am simply discussing the possibility of there being an intelligent
designer behind the intelligent design of the universe?
Then who made the Intelligent Designer?
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| User: "Eudaemonic Plague" |
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02 Sep 2005 04:48:19 AM |
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DanielSan wrote:
MOTHER NATURE wrote:
I am not arguing for the Old Testament, the New Testament or the Koran.
I am simply discussing the possibility of there being an intelligent
designer behind the intelligent design of the universe?
Then who made the Intelligent Designer?
I cannot tell a lie, it was me, poor, embarrassed me.....
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Who in the Hell are you to criticize
Every day and every night you’re just a drag
You’ve been long gone, long gone...
You are working from a point of depression
Isn’t it amazing when you find you’re slipping
You’ve been long gone, long gone...
I guess you’ve always been a power-hungry specimen
You were raised with rank in mind
I’d gladly give away everything I’ve ever owned
For the chance to stab you from behind
Cause I’m tired of what you’re saying
It’s not worth the paper it’s printed on
It just doesn’t cut it anymore.
Each time the sun greets the new dawning
I’ll try to kick you while you’re down
Welcome to the Kingdom of Hatred
You’ll find out soon that I wear the crown.
I’m tired of what you been sayin’
It’s not worth the time to discuss it
You just don’t cut it anymore.
Who in the Hell are you to criticize
You’re still learning how to form an opinion
You’ve been long gone, long gone...
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| User: "JessHC, aa#2220 thanks to Jason Gastrichs effort" |
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01 Sep 2005 03:20:37 PM |
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MOTHER NATURE wrote:
I am not arguing for the Old Testament, the New Testament or the Koran.
I am simply discussing the possibility of there being an intelligent
designer behind the intelligent design of the universe?
Are you asking if that's what you were doing?
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| User: "MOTHER NATURE" |
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03 Sep 2005 04:29:49 AM |
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Cary Kittrell wrote:
"all cultures have incest taboos. Therefore incest avoidance is a part
of our
wiring"
I think you have already made the case for religion.
ALL CULTURES HAVE BELEIF IN A DEITY. Following your logic BELIEF IN A
DEITY IS PART OF OUR WIRING.
I asked the
second question in this vein about the morality of the target society
that we are moving to after, hypothetically, rejecting a society based
on religion. I asked about drugs, pornography, sorcery, I was told that
drugs were generally alright much like aspirins one member explained.
Pornography was also considered acceptable between consenting adults.
Yep. And you yourself have failed to answer repeated questions as to
why you think this things are unconditionally bad.
Haven't you?
I didn't say that they were bad or good. My point was a simple trap. Atheists keep shouting that atheism is not a religion. My point is this, religion traditionally dealt with these matters. If we throw religion from the window and somebody else becomes the arbiter on these issues, that arbiter has automatically become a new religion. None of the members of this group refused to arbitrate on the issues I raised. They seem to enjoy the role of a priest as much as a theist priest does his role.
From these answers I simply moved the next step. I reasoned that if we
accept these forms of behavior then we should not be surprised if one
day we have a Prime Minister, an Education Minister and a Police Chief
who exhibit theses behaviors.
You know, I don't really care if my mayor reads Playboy, smokes dope,
and has a rabbit's foot in his pocket, as long as he is an honest
and effective mayor.
Would you care? If so, why?
I would, because people in authority are role models and children copy without questioning the behavior of role models.
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| User: "MOTHER NATURE" |
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03 Sep 2005 04:44:26 AM |
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I think my point is simple. Let us first agree whether there is or
there isn't an intelligent designer. Once we do that, we can then
dicuss the next issue as to wether the inteligent designer can
communicate with his own intelligent creatures or not.
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| User: "DanielSan" |
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03 Sep 2005 05:15:41 AM |
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MOTHER NATURE wrote:
I think my point is simple. Let us first agree whether there is or
there isn't an intelligent designer. Once we do that, we can then
dicuss the next issue as to wether the inteligent designer can
communicate with his own intelligent creatures or not.
Great. First, please provide evidence of an intelligent designer.
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| User: "MOTHER NATURE" |
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03 Sep 2005 08:02:44 AM |
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Dear Daniel
When I look at the door of my office I can logically assume without proof that the door of my office was designed by a designer although I haven't witnessed the process of designing or implementing the design. Logic does provide me to take this step. However logic does not give me cover to take the next step and assume that the designer had green eyes, was tall had spectacles on his eyes. It does give me clues as to the level of his expertise in carpentry etc. But it doesn't say anything about his age, his nationality, whether he/she is still alive or not.
The fact that he/she designed and made a door does not logically
suggest that he/she was designed.
To simplify matters, the only reason why we infer the necessity of a
designer is from there being a design that we can study and examine. A
designer is by necessity intelligent enough to produce the design. But
it is not imperative for a designer to be a design. In other words, the
statement that "every designer is a design is not a binding one". We
simply don't know, he may or may not be one.
Whether the carpenter is or is not a design does not affect my first
conclusion that the door must by necessity have been designed by
somebody who is intelligent enough to design doors, not cars nor
bicycles. For me to make any further assumptions about the identity of
the designer, such age height gender, language etc. is a step in the
dark. I simply can not build on it any further conclusions.
Regards
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| User: "Mike Painter" |
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03 Sep 2005 07:04:32 PM |
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MOTHER NATURE wrote:
Dear Daniel
When I look at the door of my office I can logically assume
<snip>
He asked for evidence.
The sun came up this morning. From this I can *NOT* logically assume that it
will come up tomorrow.
Logically it is the same as saying that since the rooster crowed and the sun
came up, it came up because the roster crowed.
Just provide evidence for something that is "irreducibly complex" and he
will be happy.
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