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"Richard" |
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17 Dec 2004 07:25:34 AM |
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Does God Exist? |
Does God Exist?
There are three answers to this question:
1) Yes, God does exist - this can be based on belief, evidence or the
combination of the two.
2) I don't know if God exists - this stance is a result of being unsure or
unconvinced about the evidence and having no clear beliefs
3) No, God doesn't exist - this answer involves belief only, as you can
never find evidence that something doesn't exist.
So a person can be unsure as to whether God exists, but never sure He
doesn't exist.
Atheism defined as the belief that God does not exist is nothing more than
that - a belief system. There is no evidence to prove that He does not
exist, and even if there was no evidence to prove that He does exist, that
would still leave a person at number 2 - unsure.
So to profess oneself as an atheist is nothing more than a belief system of
people who feel the need to discredit the existence of a person they claim
does not exist.
Richard
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| User: "Robibnikoff" |
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| Title: Re: Does God Exist? |
21 Dec 2004 07:31:53 PM |
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"Richard" <nospam@nospam.none> wrote in message
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I ask a simple question, and I was the first to ask it. Where did all of
this come from?
We don't know. Now, please prove your god exists. Thank you.
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Robyn
Resident Witchypoo
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| User: "Richard" |
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22 Dec 2004 11:13:53 AM |
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"Robibnikoff" <witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote in message
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"Richard" <nospam@nospam.none> wrote in message
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I ask a simple question, and I was the first to ask it. Where did all of
this come from?
We don't know. Now, please prove your god exists. Thank you.
Ok that is an honest and respectable answer.
Vedic literature goes into vast detail, but let me summarise the following:
1) The universe is beyond our comprehension as our senses are very limited
and we are looking from the inside out.
2) The universe works under very strict laws which always prove true and it
is infinitely complex in its workings.
3) We seem to be a product of this universe, in that our bodies are made of
the same matter as this world.
4) We exhibit a conscious ability that allows us to be animate and to
understand and act on our own free will.
5) This intelligence allows us to create and manage and regulate.
6) If such intelligent consciousness is a product of the universe (or
something beyond it), then why could the universe (or something beyond it)
not exhibit this same intelligence, but on a much greater scale?
7) From the regularity that the world displays, I believe this is the case.
Bacteria on a person may have no way of proving that they live on a
conscious person, but that doesn't make it false.
8) As to the nature of this person (the term person would seem relevant if
intelligence is present), we can only go by clues left in the world where
the further we go back to the origin of the world, the more accurate it is,
in the way that fresher evidence is more valuable than a cold case.
9) Vedic literature is the most ancient and describes all of the above in
great detail and discusses the meaning of life, telling in detail exactly
why we are here and giving us many options as to what we do about it.
Richard.
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| User: "Christopher A. Lee" |
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| Title: Re: Does God Exist? |
22 Dec 2004 11:22:21 AM |
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On Wed, 22 Dec 2004 17:13:53 +0000 (UTC), "Richard"
<nospam@nospam.none> wrote:
"Robibnikoff" <witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote in message
news:32s25oF3po15gU1@individual.net...
"Richard" <nospam@nospam.none> wrote in message
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snip
I ask a simple question, and I was the first to ask it. Where did all of
this come from?
We don't know. Now, please prove your god exists. Thank you.
Ok that is an honest and respectable answer.
Vedic literature goes into vast detail, but let me summarise the following:
Not a good start.
You should first demonstrate that this Vedic crap is 100% accurate.
What's that? You can't?
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| User: "Richard" |
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| Title: Re: Does God Exist? |
22 Dec 2004 05:01:52 PM |
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"Christopher A. Lee" <calee@optonline.net> wrote in message
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On Wed, 22 Dec 2004 17:13:53 +0000 (UTC), "Richard"
<nospam@nospam.none> wrote:
"Robibnikoff" <witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote in message
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"Richard" <nospam@nospam.none> wrote in message
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snip
I ask a simple question, and I was the first to ask it. Where did all
of
this come from?
We don't know. Now, please prove your god exists. Thank you.
Ok that is an honest and respectable answer.
Vedic literature goes into vast detail, but let me summarise the
following:
Not a good start.
You should first demonstrate that this Vedic crap is 100% accurate.
What's that? You can't?
Nice snip of the points I posted :-)
Richard
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| User: "jesshc" |
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| Title: Re: Does God Exist? |
02 Jan 2005 09:07:38 PM |
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Richard wrote:
"Robibnikoff" <witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote in message
news:32s25oF3po15gU1@individual.net...
"Richard" <nospam@nospam.none> wrote in message
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I ask a simple question, and I was the first to ask it. Where did
all of
this come from?
We don't know. Now, please prove your god exists. Thank you.
Ok that is an honest and respectable answer.
Vedic literature goes into vast detail, but let me summarise the
following:
How does any of that prove god exists?
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| User: "AngryJohn" |
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21 Dec 2004 09:41:01 PM |
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On Wed, 22 Dec 2004 00:15:45 +0000 (UTC), "Richard"
<nospam@nospam.none> wrote:
I ask a simple question, and I was the first to ask it. Where did all of
this come from?
You honestly think you were the first? Why do you think man invented
religions and gods but to explain where "all of this" cam from.
If you have no answer thats fine. But I will not continue until you answer
it.
Now that is fucking cool, nothing more to read from you.
Richard
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aa#2106
Remove Belief to reply
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| User: "stoney" |
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22 Dec 2004 02:19:08 PM |
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On Tue, 21 Dec 2004 22:41:01 -0500, AngryJohn
<AngryJohn@AngryJohnBelief.net> wrote:
On Wed, 22 Dec 2004 00:15:45 +0000 (UTC), "Richard"
<nospam@nospam.none> wrote:
I ask a simple question, and I was the first to ask it. Where did all of
this come from?
You honestly think you were the first? Why do you think man invented
religions and gods but to explain where "all of this" cam from.
If you have no answer thats fine. But I will not continue until you answer
it.
Now that is fucking cool, nothing more to read from you.
Except, Richard is lying.
--
Contempt of Congress meter reading-offscale.
Hello, theocracy with a fundamentalist US Supreme
Court who will ensure church and state are joined
at the hip like clergy and altar boys.
America 1776-Jan 2001 RIP
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| User: "wcb" |
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| Title: Re: Does God Exist? |
22 Dec 2004 09:12:01 AM |
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Richard wrote:
I ask a simple question, and I was the first to ask it. Where did all of
this come from?
If you have no answer thats fine. But I will not continue until you answer
it.
Where do virtual particles come from?
When you can understand that, you will
know where the Universe came from.
Field theory. Physics.
There you go. I am not going to try to teach
you physics, its a long, ardous process.
Try a library.
You have your clues, do your own homework.
--
Dance, monkeys, dance!
Cheerful Charlie
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| User: "Richard" |
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22 Dec 2004 11:14:49 AM |
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"wcb" <wbarwell@mylinuxisp.com> wrote in message
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Richard wrote:
I ask a simple question, and I was the first to ask it. Where did all of
this come from?
If you have no answer thats fine. But I will not continue until you
answer
it.
Where do virtual particles come from?
When you can understand that, you will
know where the Universe came from.
Field theory. Physics.
There you go. I am not going to try to teach
you physics, its a long, ardous process.
Try a library.
You have your clues, do your own homework.
Yes, but where did these come from?
I know where they came from, please read the post above.
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| User: "Tom" |
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22 Dec 2004 02:13:05 PM |
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"Richard" <nospam@nospam.none> wrote in message
news:cqcbmb$m1n$1@kermit.esat.net...
"wcb" <wbarwell@mylinuxisp.com> wrote in message
news:cqc3ro$96j@library2.airnews.net...
Richard wrote:
I ask a simple question, and I was the first to ask it. Where did all
of
this come from?
If you have no answer thats fine. But I will not continue until you
answer
it.
Where do virtual particles come from?
When you can understand that, you will
know where the Universe came from.
Field theory. Physics.
There you go. I am not going to try to teach
you physics, its a long, ardous process.
Try a library.
You have your clues, do your own homework.
Yes, but where did these come from?
I know where they came from, please read the post above.
There is nothing more pathetic than a religionist who is certain.
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| User: "Richard" |
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22 Dec 2004 05:32:12 PM |
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"Tom" <mmman_90@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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"Richard" <nospam@nospam.none> wrote in message
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"wcb" <wbarwell@mylinuxisp.com> wrote in message
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Richard wrote:
I ask a simple question, and I was the first to ask it. Where did all
of
this come from?
If you have no answer thats fine. But I will not continue until you
answer
it.
Where do virtual particles come from?
When you can understand that, you will
know where the Universe came from.
Field theory. Physics.
There you go. I am not going to try to teach
you physics, its a long, ardous process.
Try a library.
You have your clues, do your own homework.
Yes, but where did these come from?
I know where they came from, please read the post above.
There is nothing more pathetic than a religionist who is certain.
What evidence have you got for that?
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| User: "Tom" |
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22 Dec 2004 06:05:20 PM |
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"Richard" <nospam@nospam.none> wrote in message
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"Tom" <mmman_90@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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"Richard" <nospam@nospam.none> wrote in message
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"wcb" <wbarwell@mylinuxisp.com> wrote in message
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Richard wrote:
I ask a simple question, and I was the first to ask it. Where did
all
of
this come from?
If you have no answer thats fine. But I will not continue until you
answer
it.
Where do virtual particles come from?
When you can understand that, you will
know where the Universe came from.
Field theory. Physics.
There you go. I am not going to try to teach
you physics, its a long, ardous process.
Try a library.
You have your clues, do your own homework.
Yes, but where did these come from?
I know where they came from, please read the post above.
There is nothing more pathetic than a religionist who is certain.
What evidence have you got for that?
Look at yourself, Jistanass, "Pastor" Dave, IDon'tKnowShit and the rest of
your fundie buddies. That is all the evidence that a reasonable person would
require.
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| User: "Mark K. Bilbo" |
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23 Dec 2004 06:45:01 AM |
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In our last episode <cqd0sh$scj$1@kermit.esat.net>, Richard lept out of
the bushes shouting:
"Tom" <mmman_90@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:bCkyd.19486$9L2.12313@fe04.lga...
"Richard" <nospam@nospam.none> wrote in message
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"wcb" <wbarwell@mylinuxisp.com> wrote in message
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Richard wrote:
I ask a simple question, and I was the first to ask it. Where did
all of
this come from?
If you have no answer thats fine. But I will not continue until you
answer
it.
Where do virtual particles come from? When you can understand that,
you will know where the Universe came from.
Field theory. Physics.
There you go. I am not going to try to teach you physics, its a
long, ardous process. Try a library.
You have your clues, do your own homework.
Yes, but where did these come from?
I know where they came from, please read the post above.
There is nothing more pathetic than a religionist who is certain.
What evidence have you got for that?
Your posts for starters...
--
Mark K. Bilbo - a.a. #1423
EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion
Alt-atheism website at: http://www.alt-atheism.org
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"Being surprised at the fact that the universe
is fine tuned for life is akin to a puddle being
surprised at how well it fits its hole"
-- Douglas Adams
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| User: "AngryJohn" |
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22 Dec 2004 03:14:24 PM |
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On Wed, 22 Dec 2004 17:14:49 +0000 (UTC), "Richard"
<nospam@nospam.none> wrote:
"wcb" <wbarwell@mylinuxisp.com> wrote in message
news:cqc3ro$96j@library2.airnews.net...
Richard wrote:
I ask a simple question, and I was the first to ask it. Where did all of
this come from?
If you have no answer thats fine. But I will not continue until you
answer
it.
Where do virtual particles come from?
When you can understand that, you will
know where the Universe came from.
Field theory. Physics.
There you go. I am not going to try to teach
you physics, its a long, ardous process.
Try a library.
You have your clues, do your own homework.
Yes, but where did these come from?
I know where they came from, please read the post above.
Liar
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aa#2106
Remove Belief to reply
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| User: "stoney" |
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23 Dec 2004 11:45:54 AM |
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On Wed, 22 Dec 2004 16:14:24 -0500, AngryJohn
<AngryJohn@AngryJohnBelief.net> wrote:
On Wed, 22 Dec 2004 17:14:49 +0000 (UTC), "Richard"
<nospam@nospam.none> wrote:
"wcb" <wbarwell@mylinuxisp.com> wrote in message
news:cqc3ro$96j@library2.airnews.net...
Richard wrote:
I ask a simple question, and I was the first to ask it. Where did all of
this come from?
If you have no answer thats fine. But I will not continue until you
answer
it.
Where do virtual particles come from?
When you can understand that, you will
know where the Universe came from.
Field theory. Physics.
There you go. I am not going to try to teach
you physics, its a long, ardous process.
Try a library.
You have your clues, do your own homework.
Yes, but where did these come from?
I know where they came from, please read the post above.
Liar
Of course he's lying.
--
Contempt of Congress meter reading-offscale.
Hello, theocracy with a fundamentalist US Supreme
Court who will ensure church and state are joined
at the hip like clergy and altar boys.
America 1776-Jan 2001 RIP
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| User: "jesshc" |
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22 Dec 2004 12:39:01 PM |
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Richard wrote:
"wcb" <wbarwell@mylinuxisp.com> wrote in message
news:cqc3ro$96j@library2.airnews.net...
Richard wrote:
I ask a simple question, and I was the first to ask it. Where
did all of this come from?
If you have no answer thats fine. But I will not continue
until you answer it.
Where do virtual particles come from?
When you can understand that, you will
know where the Universe came from.
Field theory. Physics.
There you go. I am not going to try to teach
you physics, its a long, ardous process.
Try a library.
You have your clues, do your own homework.
Yes, but where did these come from?
Why do you assume they came from anywhere?
I know where they came from, please read the post above.
You haven't demonstrated knowledge of the subject; just playing coy?
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| User: "Richard" |
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22 Dec 2004 05:18:45 PM |
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"jesshc" <jesshc@phantomemail.com> wrote in message
news:1103740741.695317.323620@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com...
Richard wrote:
"wcb" <wbarwell@mylinuxisp.com> wrote in message
news:cqc3ro$96j@library2.airnews.net...
Richard wrote:
I ask a simple question, and I was the first to ask it. Where
did all of this come from?
If you have no answer thats fine. But I will not continue
until you answer it.
Where do virtual particles come from?
When you can understand that, you will
know where the Universe came from.
Field theory. Physics.
There you go. I am not going to try to teach
you physics, its a long, ardous process.
Try a library.
You have your clues, do your own homework.
Yes, but where did these come from?
Why do you assume they came from anywhere?
What evidence have you to assume that this is so?
I know where they came from, please read the post above.
You haven't demonstrated knowledge of the subject; just playing coy?
Richard
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| User: "jesshc" |
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22 Dec 2004 12:46:54 PM |
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Richard wrote:
"thomas p" <tonyofbexarnospam@yahoo.dk> wrote in message
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On Tue, 21 Dec 2004 18:00:38 +0000 (UTC), "Richard"
<nospam@nospam.none> wrote:
"tinyurl.com/uh3t" <rem642b@Yahoo.Com> wrote in message
news:REM-2004dec19-005@Yahoo.Com...
From: "Richard" <nospam@nospam.none>
I define God as being the creator of the world we live in.
The creator of the world we live in is a bunch of planetesimals
that
collided and stuck together, plus a bunch of other debris such
as
comets and asteroids and dust that fell to Earth later because
of
gravity. If you define the word "God" to mean that, you are
making up a
stupid definition not accepted by anyone else.
The world didn't come from nowhere, ...
I agree. It came from those planetesimals etc.
Where did they come from?
Where did god come from?
God always existed as beyond the material world there is no such
thing as
time.
And your evidence for this claim is?
But I asked first, so please answer, where did they come from?
The Universe, which has always existed in some form.
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| User: "wcb" |
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22 Dec 2004 09:09:03 AM |
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Richard wrote:
"thomas p" <tonyofbexarnospam@yahoo.dk> wrote in message
news:alrgs0tjbdjepmuhqpa16solmc18q3d6jr@4ax.com...
On Tue, 21 Dec 2004 18:00:38 +0000 (UTC), "Richard"
<nospam@nospam.none> wrote:
"tinyurl.com/uh3t" <rem642b@Yahoo.Com> wrote in message
news:REM-2004dec19-005@Yahoo.Com...
From: "Richard" <nospam@nospam.none>
I define God as being the creator of the world we live in.
The creator of the world we live in is a bunch of planetesimals that
collided and stuck together, plus a bunch of other debris such as
comets and asteroids and dust that fell to Earth later because of
gravity. If you define the word "God" to mean that, you are making up
a stupid definition not accepted by anyone else.
The world didn't come from nowhere, ...
I agree. It came from those planetesimals etc.
Where did they come from?
Where did god come from?
God always existed as beyond the material world there is no such thing as
time.
But I asked first, so please answer, where did they come from?
Where do virtual particles come from?
Where do they go?
When you can answer that, you wil have your answer.
Its called physics.
Now, I am not going to try to explain physics to you.
You can go buy a few books on the basics and work on it until
you can go the next level up and then the next level until
you achieve understanding.
When you achive understanding of physics enough to be
worth dealing with, come back here and we will discuss this.
God does not exist at all.
Nor can god exist out of time.
If god existed out of time, all would be One Big Now.
All that came before us, after us, and every thing we did
when we are, was created at once. We have no free will then.
Thus all we did, all evil done by man was really done by god.
God must therefore be evil, every moral act done was done only
because god created the Universe as it is, all One Big Now.
But wait! If all is One Big Now, that includes every
action god ever did involving every part of the Universe
he has interacted with.
If so, since there is no time, al lis a Big Now, god
cannot be outside of time, he is all part of the Big Now.
He cannot be outside it and since without time
there can be no before, he cannot have created this Universe.
It always exoistsed and god and us are al frozen in time.
You see, you spout and spew and don't think.
You don't reason.
Even after I have walked you through this at least
once now.
I ran you through this before and you didn't learn.
You just spew the same spew without thinking.
Since I have shown many "out of time" non-thinkers
just like you here in AA this, all the regulars know
this one by heart,I have posted this many thimes
before over the years.
So everybody here rolls their eyes, "Another god-out-of-time"
amatuer theologian. I suppose Cheerful Charlie will
soon jump on this again".
And I do.
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Dance, monkeys, dance!
Cheerful Charlie
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| User: "Richard" |
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22 Dec 2004 11:17:05 AM |
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"wcb" <wbarwell@mylinuxisp.com> wrote in message
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Richard wrote:
"thomas p" <tonyofbexarnospam@yahoo.dk> wrote in message
news:alrgs0tjbdjepmuhqpa16solmc18q3d6jr@4ax.com...
On Tue, 21 Dec 2004 18:00:38 +0000 (UTC), "Richard"
<nospam@nospam.none> wrote:
"tinyurl.com/uh3t" <rem642b@Yahoo.Com> wrote in message
news:REM-2004dec19-005@Yahoo.Com...
From: "Richard" <nospam@nospam.none>
I define God as being the creator of the world we live in.
The creator of the world we live in is a bunch of planetesimals that
collided and stuck together, plus a bunch of other debris such as
comets and asteroids and dust that fell to Earth later because of
gravity. If you define the word "God" to mean that, you are making
up
a stupid definition not accepted by anyone else.
The world didn't come from nowhere, ...
I agree. It came from those planetesimals etc.
Where did they come from?
Where did god come from?
God always existed as beyond the material world there is no such thing
as
time.
But I asked first, so please answer, where did they come from?
Where do virtual particles come from?
Where do they go?
When you can answer that, you wil have your answer.
Its called physics.
Now, I am not going to try to explain physics to you.
You can go buy a few books on the basics and work on it until
you can go the next level up and then the next level until
you achieve understanding.
When you achive understanding of physics enough to be
worth dealing with, come back here and we will discuss this.
God does not exist at all.
Nor can god exist out of time.
If god existed out of time, all would be One Big Now.
All that came before us, after us, and every thing we did
when we are, was created at once. We have no free will then.
Thus all we did, all evil done by man was really done by god.
God must therefore be evil, every moral act done was done only
because god created the Universe as it is, all One Big Now.
But wait! If all is One Big Now, that includes every
action god ever did involving every part of the Universe
he has interacted with.
If so, since there is no time, al lis a Big Now, god
cannot be outside of time, he is all part of the Big Now.
He cannot be outside it and since without time
there can be no before, he cannot have created this Universe.
It always exoistsed and god and us are al frozen in time.
You see, you spout and spew and don't think.
You don't reason.
Even after I have walked you through this at least
once now.
I ran you through this before and you didn't learn.
You just spew the same spew without thinking.
Since I have shown many "out of time" non-thinkers
just like you here in AA this, all the regulars know
this one by heart,I have posted this many thimes
before over the years.
So everybody here rolls their eyes, "Another god-out-of-time"
amatuer theologian. I suppose Cheerful Charlie will
soon jump on this again".
And I do.
Tell me please where everything originated from?
Richard
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| User: "Tom" |
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22 Dec 2004 01:55:59 PM |
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Tell me please where everything originated from?
Richard
The Big Bang.
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| User: "Richard" |
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22 Dec 2004 05:07:52 PM |
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"Tom" <mmman_90@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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Tell me please where everything originated from?
Richard
The Big Bang.
Where did all the stuff which banged, the alleged bang itself and the space
in which all of this supposedly happened come from?
Richard
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| User: "Tom" |
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22 Dec 2004 05:49:12 PM |
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"Richard" <nospam@nospam.none> wrote in message
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"Tom" <mmman_90@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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Tell me please where everything originated from?
Richard
The Big Bang.
Where did all the stuff which banged, the alleged bang itself and the
space
in which all of this supposedly happened come from?
No one knows.
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| User: "Richard" |
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23 Dec 2004 08:26:14 AM |
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"Tom" <mmman_90@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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"Richard" <nospam@nospam.none> wrote in message
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"Tom" <mmman_90@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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Tell me please where everything originated from?
Richard
The Big Bang.
Where did all the stuff which banged, the alleged bang itself and the
space
in which all of this supposedly happened come from?
No one knows.
Exaclty, so this is where science stops short.
However many people actually do care about where everything originates from.
And the Vedic version is the most parsimonious answer out there so I accept
it.
Richard
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| User: "dandelion" |
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23 Dec 2004 08:38:20 AM |
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<SNIP>
Where did all the stuff which banged, the alleged bang itself and the
space
in which all of this supposedly happened come from?
No one knows.
Exaclty, so this is where science stops short.
That's where knowledge stops short.
However many people actually do care about where everything originates
from.
Two questions:
1) Why?
2) How would these people know one answer is correct and not the other (or
vice versa)?
And the Vedic version is the most parsimonious answer out there so I
accept
it.
That's a statement of faith. Be happy with it. Just do not expect others to
share it.
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| User: "Richard" |
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23 Dec 2004 04:03:29 PM |
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"dandelion" <dandelion@meadow.net> wrote in message
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<SNIP>
Where did all the stuff which banged, the alleged bang itself and
the
space
in which all of this supposedly happened come from?
No one knows.
Exaclty, so this is where science stops short.
That's where knowledge stops short.
Does science explain why ever? It barely explain how. Science is an
assesment of the mechanisms that produce something, like reverse engineering
in the corporate sense.
However many people actually do care about where everything originates
from.
Two questions:
1) Why?
Why we are alive is an important question do you not think?
2) How would these people know one answer is correct and not the other (or
vice versa)?
The correct answer would have to agree with the intersection of science,
philosophy and religion and answer the questions of life.
Vedic philosophy is the oldest in the world and is the only one that does
just this.
And the Vedic version is the most parsimonious answer out there so I
accept
it.
That's a statement of faith. Be happy with it. Just do not expect others
to
share it.
Why do you tar people into different groups: believers, nonbelievers etc. I
was others. I come from a scientific background. I wanted answers. This is
the best (and only complete) one I've found.
Richard
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| User: "dandelion" |
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27 Dec 2004 06:44:47 AM |
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"Richard" <nospam@nospam.none> wrote in message
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"dandelion" <dandelion@meadow.net> wrote in message
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<SNIP>
Where did all the stuff which banged, the alleged bang itself and
the
space
in which all of this supposedly happened come from?
No one knows.
Exaclty, so this is where science stops short.
That's where knowledge stops short.
Does science explain why ever? It barely explain how. Science is an
assesment of the mechanisms that produce something, like reverse
engineering
in the corporate sense.
However many people actually do care about where everything originates
from.
Two questions:
1) Why?
Why we are alive is an important question do you not think?
Nope.
2) How would these people know one answer is correct and not the other
(or
vice versa)?
The correct answer would have to agree with the intersection of science,
philosophy and religion and answer the questions of life.
Philosophers and theologians, as a matter of habit, do not agree on
anything.
Vedic philosophy is the oldest in the world and is the only one that does
just this.
Vedic philosophy (at least, the kind i'm familiar with) does not adress
major
portions of what we call 'science'. It does not (for one) answer a simple
question
of "how do earthquakes arise" or "what are volcano's".
Not that such an answer is to be expected, but still, your claim does not
stand.
That's a statement of faith. Be happy with it. Just do not expect others
to
share it.
Why do you tar people into different groups: believers, nonbelievers etc.
Where have I done so?
I was others.
<pointing into the wild blue yonder>
Yes... And that's me, over there!
</pointing into the wild blue yonder>
I come from a scientific background.
I would not have noticed.
I wanted answers. This is the best (and only complete) one I've found.
It is still a matter of faith. Be happy with it, just do not expect others
to
share your belief.
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| User: "John Wilkins" |
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27 Dec 2004 07:39:14 AM |
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dandelion <dandelion@meadow.net> wrote:
The correct answer would have to agree with the intersection of science,
philosophy and religion and answer the questions of life.
Philosophers and theologians, as a matter of habit, do not agree on
anything.
I disagree... oh, wait...
Vedic philosophy is the oldest in the world and is the only one that does
just this.
Vedic philosophy (at least, the kind i'm familiar with) does not adress
major portions of what we call 'science'. It does not (for one) answer a
simple question of "how do earthquakes arise" or "what are volcano's".
Not that such an answer is to be expected, but still, your claim does not
stand.
Vedic "philosophy" is not philosophy. There is no argument, no attempt
to begin with obvious premises and work towards a reasoned conclusion.
It is a matter of religion and authority. Nor is it science. It's an ad
hoc justification of the ethnic status quo in India.
--
John S. Wilkins
web: www.wilkins.id.au blog: evolvethought.blogspot.com
God cheats
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| User: "dandelion" |
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27 Dec 2004 09:29:06 AM |
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"John Wilkins" <johnSPAM@wilkins.id.au> wrote in message
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Philosophers and theologians, as a matter of habit, do not agree on
anything.
I disagree... oh, wait...
<snigger>
Vedic philosophy is the oldest in the world and is the only one that
does
just this.
Vedic philosophy (at least, the kind i'm familiar with) does not adress
major portions of what we call 'science'. It does not (for one) answer a
simple question of "how do earthquakes arise" or "what are volcano's".
Not that such an answer is to be expected, but still, your claim does
not
stand.
Vedic "philosophy" is not philosophy. There is no argument, no attempt
to begin with obvious premises and work towards a reasoned conclusion.
It is a matter of religion and authority. Nor is it science. It's an ad
hoc justification of the ethnic status quo in India.
We agree on that.
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| User: "Tom" |
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23 Dec 2004 04:31:53 PM |
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"Richard" <nospam@nospam.none> wrote in message
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"Tom" <mmman_90@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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"Richard" <nospam@nospam.none> wrote in message
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"Tom" <mmman_90@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:4Dkyd.19487$kI2.17794@fe04.lga...
Tell me please where everything originated from?
Richard
The Big Bang.
Where did all the stuff which banged, the alleged bang itself and the
space
in which all of this supposedly happened come from?
No one knows.
Exaclty, so this is where science stops short.
However many people actually do care about where everything originates
from.
And the Vedic version is the most parsimonious answer out there so I
accept
it.
Richard
Hey Richard, that's great. You have as much support for that as I do that
the universe is rebounding or that one brane hit another. In other words,
you patronizing *****, you have no more authority for your position than
does the drunkard in the gutter.
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