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"Truth Hunter" |
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13 Oct 2005 11:29:53 AM |
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Does God required his own blood to forgive your sin? |
Does God required his own blood to forgive your sin?
Christians say that God in the Old Testament required the blood of a
pure, unblemished lamb in payment for sin. Jesus gave Himself as that
pure unblemished Lamb to pay for our sins, the animal sacrifices are no
longer needed. The Blood of God's Son is sufficiant to cleanse us of
all sin.
Is Jesus's God of old testament? does God required his own blood to
forgive your sin? if somebody offends you, would it make sense to
kill yourself, or your own loving son?
God supposed to be above such desires.
http://www.jewsforjudaism.org
Bumper Sticker
DIVINE INSANITY
God killed himself on the cross to save his own creation fro=ADm his own
wrath!(Author unknown)=20
One God, father-son-ghost?
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| User: "Ike" |
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| Title: Re: Does God required his own blood to forgive your sin? |
13 Oct 2005 06:29:44 PM |
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"Truth Hunter" <hunter1234222@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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Does God required his own blood to forgive your sin?
Christians say that God in the Old Testament required the blood of a
pure, unblemished lamb in payment for sin. Jesus gave Himself as that
pure unblemished Lamb to pay for our sins, the animal sacrifices are no
longer needed. The Blood of God's Son is sufficiant to cleanse us of
all sin.
Is Jesus's God of old testament? does God required his own blood to
forgive your sin? if somebody offends you, would it make sense to
kill yourself, or your own loving son?
God supposed to be above such desires.
What god?
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| User: "Robibnikoff" |
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| Title: Re: Does God required his own blood to forgive your sin? |
13 Oct 2005 11:46:19 AM |
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"Truth Hunter" <hunter1234222@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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Does God required his own blood to forgive your sin?
WTF? Why are you posting this in alt.atheism?
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Science doesn't burn people at the stake for disagreeing - Vic Sagerquist
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| User: "bam" |
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13 Oct 2005 12:16:39 PM |
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"Robibnikoff" <witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote in message
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"Truth Hunter" <hunter1234222@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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Does God required his own blood to forgive your sin?
WTF? Why are you posting this in alt.atheism?
I think the guy's a robot or some computer generated program.
BAM
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| User: "Eric Brze" |
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13 Oct 2005 04:46:47 PM |
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On 13 Oct 2005 09:29:53 -0700, "Truth Hunter"
<hunter1234222@yahoo.com> wrote:
Does God required his own blood to forgive your sin?
The one that requires the blood of innocent is not God. It's the blood
thirsty devil.
Christians say that God in the Old Testament required the blood of a
pure, unblemished lamb in payment for sin. Jesus gave Himself as that
pure unblemished Lamb to pay for our sins, the animal sacrifices are no
longer needed. The Blood of God's Son is sufficiant to cleanse us of
all sin.
Animal sacrifice is evil. Killing a righteous man is also evil. Our
sins are forgiven not because we have the blood of Jesus on our hands.
Our sins are forgiven because we follow Jesus as our example in
against the force of evil.
Is Jesus's God of old testament? does God required his own blood to
forgive your sin? if somebody offends you, would it make sense to
kill yourself, or your own loving son?
The Old Testament god is the force of evil that has been shedding the
blood of innocent ever since the fall of mankind. It is not the God of
Jesus. It is the devil who has deceived Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, as
well as the world.
God supposed to be above such desires.
God is never evil. The one that is evil is no god.
http://www.jewsforjudaism.org
Bumper Sticker
DIVINE INSANITY
God killed himself on the cross to save his own creation from his own
wrath!(Author unknown)
One God, father-son-ghost?
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| User: "Richard Smol" |
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| Title: Re: Does God required his own blood to forgive your sin? |
13 Oct 2005 12:44:11 PM |
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Truth Hunter wrote:
Does God required his own blood to forgive your sin?
According to the New Testament he indeed does. Of course that
doesn't even make the slightest shred of sense.
RS
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| User: "bam" |
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13 Oct 2005 03:52:11 PM |
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"Richard Smol" <jazzcat@dds.nl> wrote in message
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Truth Hunter wrote:
Does God required his own blood to forgive your sin?
According to the New Testament he indeed does. Of course that
doesn't even make the slightest shred of sense.
Lots of things don't make sense to me - like Calculus III - but that doesn't
mean it's not sensible.
BAM
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| User: "Brian E. Clark" |
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19 Oct 2005 11:52:14 AM |
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In article <ULz3f.15492$5l.10151@bignews6.bellsouth.net>, bam
said...
According to the New Testament he indeed does. Of course that
doesn't even make the slightest shred of sense.
Lots of things don't make sense to me - like Calculus III -
but that doesn't mean it's not sensible.
Ridiculous comparison. Any science or math major could explain
Calc III level mathematics. By contrast no one on earth, not
anyone who has ever lived, has been able to reconcile God's
supposed thirst for blood with his other described attributes,
nor with common sense.
I've always been puzzled that many Christians rely on such weak
comparisons. We're supposed to note that some otherwise sensible
ideas are incomprehensible by some people, and from that we're
to conclude that any idea offered by religion should be
considered sensible, even if no one can make sense of it. That
is equivalent to saying that because some people can't read
Spanish poems while other can, all poems written in Spanish must
be good.
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Brian E. Clark
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| User: "bam" |
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19 Oct 2005 03:02:26 PM |
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"Brian E. Clark" <reply@newsgroup.only.please> wrote in message
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In article <ULz3f.15492$5l.10151@bignews6.bellsouth.net>, bam
said...
According to the New Testament he indeed does. Of course that
doesn't even make the slightest shred of sense.
Lots of things don't make sense to me - like Calculus III -
but that doesn't mean it's not sensible.
Ridiculous comparison. Any science or math major could explain
Calc III level mathematics.
And any theologian can explain God. That doesn't guarantee that you'll
understand either.
BAM
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| User: "wbarwell" |
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19 Oct 2005 05:02:56 PM |
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bam wrote:
"Brian E. Clark" <reply@newsgroup.only.please> wrote in message
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In article <ULz3f.15492$5l.10151@bignews6.bellsouth.net>, bam
said...
According to the New Testament he indeed does. Of course
that doesn't even make the slightest shred of sense.
Lots of things don't make sense to me - like Calculus III -
but that doesn't mean it's not sensible.
Ridiculous comparison. Any science or math major could explain
Calc III level mathematics.
And any theologian can explain God. That doesn't guarantee that
you'll understand either.
I have read to read one who can.
--
The official spokesman of the Foxes said
today that investigation into what happened
to the henhouse may be needed.
Cheerful Charlie
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| User: "wbarwell" |
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19 Oct 2005 01:45:00 PM |
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Brian E. Clark wrote:
In article <ULz3f.15492$5l.10151@bignews6.bellsouth.net>, bam
said...
According to the New Testament he indeed does. Of course
that doesn't even make the slightest shred of sense.
Lots of things don't make sense to me - like Calculus III -
but that doesn't mean it's not sensible.
Ridiculous comparison. Any science or math major could explain
Calc III level mathematics. By contrast no one on earth, not
anyone who has ever lived, has been able to reconcile God's
supposed thirst for blood with his other described attributes,
nor with common sense.
I've always been puzzled that many Christians rely on such weak
comparisons.
Its simple. Its all they have.
Since it works with them, they assume it will work
with others.
We're supposed to note that some otherwise
sensible ideas are incomprehensible by some people, and from
that we're to conclude that any idea offered by religion should
be considered sensible, even if no one can make sense of it.
That is equivalent to saying that because some people can't
read Spanish poems while other can, all poems written in
Spanish must be good.
They do not like reason, rationality and facts.
--
The official spokesman of the Foxes said
today that investigation into what happened
to the henhouse may be needed.
Cheerful Charlie
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| User: "Olrik" |
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| Title: Re: Does God required his own blood to forgive your sin? |
13 Oct 2005 11:21:56 PM |
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bam wrote:
"Richard Smol" <jazzcat@dds.nl> wrote in message
news:1129225451.090569.28700@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
Truth Hunter wrote:
Does God required his own blood to forgive your sin?
According to the New Testament he indeed does. Of course that
doesn't even make the slightest shred of sense.
Lots of things don't make sense to me - like Calculus III - but that doesn't
mean it's not sensible.
But calculus does not require faith to be understood, nor for it to work.
BAM
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Olrik
aa #1981
Qualified SMASH member
EAC Chief Food Inspector, Bacon Division
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| User: "bam" |
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14 Oct 2005 08:10:22 AM |
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"Olrik" <olrik666@yahoo_BACON!_.com> wrote in message
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bam wrote:
"Richard Smol" <jazzcat@dds.nl> wrote in message
news:1129225451.090569.28700@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
Truth Hunter wrote:
Does God required his own blood to forgive your sin?
According to the New Testament he indeed does. Of course that
doesn't even make the slightest shred of sense.
Lots of things don't make sense to me - like Calculus III - but that
doesn't mean it's not sensible.
But calculus does not require faith to be understood, nor for it to work.
Faith precedes understanding, but does not guaranteee it, since faith exists
in different amounts among different people.
And God needs neither our faith nor our understanding to do His work.
BAM
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| User: "" |
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14 Oct 2005 10:32:19 AM |
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bam wrote:
"Olrik" <olrik666@yahoo_BACON!_.com> wrote in message
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bam wrote:
"Richard Smol" <jazzcat@dds.nl> wrote in message
news:1129225451.090569.28700@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
Truth Hunter wrote:
Does God required his own blood to forgive your sin?
According to the New Testament he indeed does. Of course that
doesn't even make the slightest shred of sense.
Lots of things don't make sense to me - like Calculus III - but that
doesn't mean it's not sensible.
But calculus does not require faith to be understood, nor for it to work.
Faith precedes understanding, but does not guaranteee it, since faith exists
in different amounts among different people.
And God needs neither our faith nor our understanding to do His work.
"God" is only a concept. It does not "work". Only the faithful claim it
does.
BAM
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| User: "bam" |
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14 Oct 2005 03:58:30 PM |
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<olrik666@gmail.com> wrote in message
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bam wrote:
"Olrik" <olrik666@yahoo_BACON!_.com> wrote in message
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bam wrote:
"Richard Smol" <jazzcat@dds.nl> wrote in message
news:1129225451.090569.28700@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
Truth Hunter wrote:
Does God required his own blood to forgive your sin?
According to the New Testament he indeed does. Of course that
doesn't even make the slightest shred of sense.
Lots of things don't make sense to me - like Calculus III - but that
doesn't mean it's not sensible.
But calculus does not require faith to be understood, nor for it to
work.
Faith precedes understanding, but does not guaranteee it, since faith
exists
in different amounts among different people.
And God needs neither our faith nor our understanding to do His work.
"God" is only a concept. It does not "work". Only the faithful claim it
does.
The faithful believe in God. You do not believe in God. But neither of us
are absolutely sure. To say so either way would be silly, no?
BAM
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| User: "Olrik" |
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14 Oct 2005 10:54:27 PM |
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bam wrote:
<olrik666@gmail.com> wrote in message
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bam wrote:
"Olrik" <olrik666@yahoo_BACON!_.com> wrote in message
news:FnG3f.10317$HQ3.235089@wagner.videotron.net...
bam wrote:
"Richard Smol" <jazzcat@dds.nl> wrote in message
news:1129225451.090569.28700@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
Truth Hunter wrote:
Does God required his own blood to forgive your sin?
According to the New Testament he indeed does. Of course that
doesn't even make the slightest shred of sense.
Lots of things don't make sense to me - like Calculus III - but that
doesn't mean it's not sensible.
But calculus does not require faith to be understood, nor for it to
work.
Faith precedes understanding, but does not guaranteee it, since faith
exists
in different amounts among different people.
And God needs neither our faith nor our understanding to do His work.
"God" is only a concept. It does not "work". Only the faithful claim it
does.
The faithful believe in God. You do not believe in God. But neither of us
are absolutely sure. To say so either way would be silly, no?
Not really. You know as I do that it's not that simple. There may not be
any "absolute" in discussing "god" or religion, but the odds or
probabilities are not in favour of that "god" being.
There are those who argue that atheists and theists alike are or should
be agnostics, because we can't know one way or the other.
I strongly disagree with that. We're not dealing in absolutes. For
example, how did we "prove" that the Greek "gods" did not exist, and
were "mythology"? We did not. "They" simply went out of fashion. When a
"god" or "gods" do not have believers anymore, they "die".
The "god" of the monotheist religions exist solely because people
believe in it.
A "god", as described in the bible or other books of religion, simply
adds to the complexity of our understanding of the universe, and does
not answer any questions.
Let's just say that I do not believe in any kind of "god" for the same
reasons you do not believe in Thor, Zeus, or that there's a Red Dragon
at the center of our planet.
BAM
--
Olrik
aa #1981
Qualified SMASH member
EAC Chief Food Inspector, Bacon Division
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| User: "bam" |
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15 Oct 2005 12:26:41 AM |
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"Olrik" <olrik666@yahoo_BACON!_.com> wrote in message
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bam wrote:
<olrik666@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1129303939.681993.280090@g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
bam wrote:
"Olrik" <olrik666@yahoo_BACON!_.com> wrote in message
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bam wrote:
"Richard Smol" <jazzcat@dds.nl> wrote in message
news:1129225451.090569.28700@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
Truth Hunter wrote:
Does God required his own blood to forgive your sin?
According to the New Testament he indeed does. Of course that
doesn't even make the slightest shred of sense.
Lots of things don't make sense to me - like Calculus III - but that
doesn't mean it's not sensible.
But calculus does not require faith to be understood, nor for it to
work.
Faith precedes understanding, but does not guaranteee it, since faith
exists
in different amounts among different people.
And God needs neither our faith nor our understanding to do His work.
"God" is only a concept. It does not "work". Only the faithful claim it
does.
The faithful believe in God. You do not believe in God. But neither of us
are absolutely sure. To say so either way would be silly, no?
Not really. You know as I do that it's not that simple. There may not be
any "absolute" in discussing "god" or religion, but the odds or
probabilities are not in favour of that "god" being.
There are those who argue that atheists and theists alike are or should be
agnostics, because we can't know one way or the other.
I strongly disagree with that. We're not dealing in absolutes. For
example, how did we "prove" that the Greek "gods" did not exist, and were
"mythology"? We did not. "They" simply went out of fashion. When a "god"
or "gods" do not have believers anymore, they "die".
The "god" of the monotheist religions exist solely because people believe
in it.
A "god", as described in the bible or other books of religion, simply adds
to the complexity of our understanding of the universe, and does not
answer any questions.
Let's just say that I do not believe in any kind of "god" for the same
reasons you do not believe in Thor, Zeus, or that there's a Red Dragon at
the center of our planet.
Fine. I wasn't trying to prove anything. Catholics can't "prove" anything.
They merely state what they believe and what they live by. There is no
proof - either for or against. (unless you're a Protestant)
BAM
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| User: "Paul Duca" |
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13 Oct 2005 08:37:11 PM |
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in article ULz3f.15492$5l.10151@bignews6.bellsouth.net, bam at
mcca5761@bellsouthblahblah.net wrote on 10/13/05 4:52 PM:
"Richard Smol" <jazzcat@dds.nl> wrote in message
news:1129225451.090569.28700@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
Truth Hunter wrote:
Does God required his own blood to forgive your sin?
According to the New Testament he indeed does. Of course that
doesn't even make the slightest shred of sense.
Lots of things don't make sense to me - like sex - but that doesn't
mean it's not sensible.
BAM
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| User: "wbarwell" |
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13 Oct 2005 11:25:20 PM |
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Paul Duca wrote:
in article ULz3f.15492$5l.10151@bignews6.bellsouth.net, bam at
mcca5761@bellsouthblahblah.net wrote on 10/13/05 4:52 PM:
"Richard Smol" <jazzcat@dds.nl> wrote in message
news:1129225451.090569.28700@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
Truth Hunter wrote:
Does God required his own blood to forgive your sin?
According to the New Testament he indeed does. Of course that
doesn't even make the slightest shred of sense.
Lots of things don't make sense to me - like sex - but that
doesn't mean it's not sensible.
It does not make sense. Jesus's disciples probaly hoped he was
the long awaited messiah that would rule from Jerusalem as the
ceasars ruled from Rome. When he was executed they turn him
into a soter god. Who had to die to save mankind based on the
old, old Osirian model.
They predicted he'd return soon, in the lifespan of the high
priest at Jerusalem. When that failed, they changed their claims
again.
It is not sensible but then religion is not sensible.
--
The official spokesman of the Foxes said
today that investigation into what happened
to the henhouse may be needed.
Cheerful Charlie
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