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"Martin Phipps" |
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14 Sep 2007 09:32:56 AM |
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Does gothic horror work for you? |
Imagine you're watching The Exorcist or The Omen . A priest mutters
something about daemonic possession or some child being the spawn of
Satan. Now personally, I'll just change the channel. But do any of
my fellow atheists manage to suspend disbelief long enough to get into
this stuff? I guess it's like suspending didbelief while watching a
fantasy or science fiction movie, the difference being that there
would be a lot of people out there that would take gothic horror
seriously and might scare themselves so much that they end up praying
at night so that God will keep evil spirits away - if they don't do
that already. :)
Martin
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| User: "Mr D. Mr D@Mr Dcom.net" |
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14 Sep 2007 10:27:58 AM |
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"Martin Phipps" <phippsmartin@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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Imagine you're watching The Exorcist or The Omen . A priest mutters
something about daemonic possession or some child being the spawn of
Satan. Now personally, I'll just change the channel. But do any of
my fellow atheists manage to suspend disbelief long enough to get into
this stuff?
Yes. To me it's just a mythology that makes the plot work. Rather like
Wagner's 'Ring' or Elgar's 'Dream of Gerontius', it doesn't matter whether I
'believe it', only that it's real for the characters and doesn't contradict
itself in obtrusively stupid ways!
Funnily enough, the thing I have a bit of a problem with is the
'lightweight' stuff like 'Buffy' or 'Charmed': somehow it always seems to be
*too easy* for the mythology to reveal a convenient escape-route for the
characters in time for the ending of the episode. Maybe things have to be
truly dark and tragic for me not to feel that it's all a bit arbitrary...
M.D.
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| User: "Robibnikoff" |
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14 Sep 2007 12:15:37 PM |
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"Mr D." <Mr D@Mr Dcom.net> wrote in message
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"Martin Phipps" <phippsmartin@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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Imagine you're watching The Exorcist or The Omen . A priest mutters
something about daemonic possession or some child being the spawn of
Satan. Now personally, I'll just change the channel. But do any of
my fellow atheists manage to suspend disbelief long enough to get into
this stuff?
Yes. To me it's just a mythology that makes the plot work. Rather like
Wagner's 'Ring' or Elgar's 'Dream of Gerontius', it doesn't matter whether
I 'believe it', only that it's real for the characters and doesn't
contradict itself in obtrusively stupid ways!
I love horror movies, but certainly don't take them seriously. Fun fluff,
that's all.
Funnily enough, the thing I have a bit of a problem with is the
'lightweight' stuff like 'Buffy' or 'Charmed': somehow it always seems to
be *too easy* for the mythology to reveal a convenient escape-route for
the characters in time for the ending of the episode. Maybe things have to
be truly dark and tragic for me not to feel that it's all a bit
arbitrary...
Gak I loathe "Buffy" and "Charmed" :P
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Robyn
Resident Witchypoo
BAAWA Knight!
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| User: "Martin Phipps" |
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15 Sep 2007 12:34:35 AM |
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On Sep 15, 1:15 am, "Robibnikoff" <witchy...@broomstick.com> wrote:
"Mr D." <Mr D@Mr Dcom.net> wrote in messagenews:2MxGi.29363$ka7.5332@newsfe4-gui.ntli.net...
"Martin Phipps" <phippsmar...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1189780376.411551.257730@22g2000hsm.googlegroups.com...
Imagine you're watching The Exorcist or The Omen . A priest mutters
something about daemonic possession or some child being the spawn of
Satan. Now personally, I'll just change the channel. But do any of
my fellow atheists manage to suspend disbelief long enough to get into
this stuff?
Yes. To me it's just a mythology that makes the plot work. Rather like
Wagner's 'Ring' or Elgar's 'Dream of Gerontius', it doesn't matter whether
I 'believe it', only that it's real for the characters and doesn't
contradict itself in obtrusively stupid ways!
I love horror movies, but certainly don't take them seriously. Fun fluff,
that's all.
Robyn
Resident Witchypoo
Okay so now it's important to ask. Aren't you a Wiccan?
I do enjoy Harry Potter and I did enjoy 'The Craft' with Robin
Tunney, Fairuza Balk, Neve Campbell and Rachel True. 'Charmed' would
have been okay if the acting hadn't been so bad. Oh and I did like
'End of Days', except that was more action movie than horror movie.
But, really, I think it's only true believers who get scared by this
type of stuff.
Martin
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| User: "Hatter" |
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14 Sep 2007 10:36:10 AM |
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On Sep 14, 11:27 am, "Mr D." <Mr D@Mr Dcom.net> wrote:
"Martin Phipps" <phippsmar...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1189780376.411551.257730@22g2000hsm.googlegroups.com...
Imagine you're watching The Exorcist or The Omen . A priest mutters
something about daemonic possession or some child being the spawn of
Satan. Now personally, I'll just change the channel. But do any of
my fellow atheists manage to suspend disbelief long enough to get into
this stuff?
Yes. To me it's just a mythology that makes the plot work. Rather like
Wagner's 'Ring' or Elgar's 'Dream of Gerontius', it doesn't matter whether I
'believe it', only that it's real for the characters and doesn't contradict
itself in obtrusively stupid ways!
Funnily enough, the thing I have a bit of a problem with is the
'lightweight' stuff like 'Buffy' or 'Charmed': somehow it always seems to be
*too easy* for the mythology to reveal a convenient escape-route for the
characters in time for the ending of the episode. Maybe things have to be
truly dark and tragic for me not to feel that it's all a bit arbitrary...
M.D.
Eh both are all in good fun. Well scripted is well scripted. It is
juvenile plots, trite plots, unbelievable dialogue, or glaring
inconsistencies that make me give up on a story. OK there are a few
things that socio-politically get my goat too, like the typical
"inferiority of men" saw being overused, or "babies are the greatest
thing in the universe" cliche that makes me ill.
Hatter
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| User: "Martin Phipps" |
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15 Sep 2007 12:26:49 AM |
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On Sep 14, 11:27 pm, "Mr D." <Mr D@Mr Dcom.net> wrote:
"Martin Phipps" <phippsmar...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1189780376.411551.257730@22g2000hsm.googlegroups.com...
Imagine you're watching The Exorcist or The Omen . A priest mutters
something about daemonic possession or some child being the spawn of
Satan. Now personally, I'll just change the channel. But do any of
my fellow atheists manage to suspend disbelief long enough to get into
this stuff?
Yes. To me it's just a mythology that makes the plot work. Rather like
Wagner's 'Ring' or Elgar's 'Dream of Gerontius', it doesn't matter whether I
'believe it', only that it's real for the characters and doesn't contradict
itself in obtrusively stupid ways!
Funnily enough, the thing I have a bit of a problem with is the
'lightweight' stuff like 'Buffy' or 'Charmed'
or 'The Ghost Whisperer'. I don't know if that series is horror per
se. I really like Jennifer Love Hewitt but I can't watch that crap.
How about 'Touched by an Angel'? Can an atheist get into stuff like
that? I take it that the main characters in 'Touched by an Angel'
were dead and were, for all intentions, ghosts so that would
technically be the same genre.
Martin
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| User: "Rev. Karl E. Taylor" |
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14 Sep 2007 07:19:12 PM |
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Martin Phipps wrote:
Imagine you're watching The Exorcist or The Omen . A priest mutters
something about daemonic possession or some child being the spawn of
Satan. Now personally, I'll just change the channel. But do any of
my fellow atheists manage to suspend disbelief long enough to get into
this stuff? I guess it's like suspending didbelief while watching a
fantasy or science fiction movie, the difference being that there
would be a lot of people out there that would take gothic horror
seriously and might scare themselves so much that they end up praying
at night so that God will keep evil spirits away - if they don't do
that already. :)
Martin
Love horror movies and books. But not the new stuff. "The Exorcist"
and "The Omen" movies just didn't really do it for me. I like the old
American International films, you know, Vincent Price, Peter Cushing,
Christopher Lee, Boris Karloff, Peter Lorrie, the classics.
Written however, oh, lots of them. Lovecraft of course is top of the
list, then Poe, F. Paul Wilson, Tanith Lee, Koontz, King, McCammon
Dunsany, Stoker, Shelly and many others.
- --
There are none more ignorant and useless,
than they that seek answers on their knees,
with their eyes closed.
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Rev. Karl E. Taylor http://www.secularity.com/ktayloraz
A.A #1143 http://azhotops.blogspot.com/
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| User: "Enkidu" |
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14 Sep 2007 05:24:35 PM |
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Martin Phipps <phippsmartin@hotmail.com> wrote in
news:1189780376.411551.257730@22g2000hsm.googlegroups.com:
Imagine you're watching The Exorcist or The Omen . A priest mutters
something about daemonic possession or some child being the spawn of
Satan. Now personally, I'll just change the channel. But do any of
my fellow atheists manage to suspend disbelief long enough to get into
this stuff? I guess it's like suspending didbelief while watching a
fantasy or science fiction movie, the difference being that there
would be a lot of people out there that would take gothic horror
seriously and might scare themselves so much that they end up praying
at night so that God will keep evil spirits away - if they don't do
that already. :)
"Young Franenstein" works quite well.
--
Enkidu AA#2165
EAC Chaplain and ordained minister,
ULC, Modesto, CA
In 1850, I believe, the church property in the United States, which paid
no tax, amounted to $87 million. In 1900, without a check, it is safe to
say, this property will reach a sum exceeding $3 billion. I would suggest
the taxation of all property equally.
-- Ulysses S. Grant
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14 Sep 2007 06:30:27 PM |
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Enkidu <fox_rgfszx@trashmail.net> wrote in news:Xns99AB9CBF4A52B255229@
130.133.1.4:
Martin Phipps <phippsmartin@hotmail.com> wrote in
news:1189780376.411551.257730@22g2000hsm.googlegroups.com:
Imagine you're watching The Exorcist or The Omen . A priest mutters
something about daemonic possession or some child being the spawn of
Satan. Now personally, I'll just change the channel. But do any of
my fellow atheists manage to suspend disbelief long enough to get into
this stuff? I guess it's like suspending didbelief while watching a
fantasy or science fiction movie, the difference being that there
would be a lot of people out there that would take gothic horror
seriously and might scare themselves so much that they end up praying
at night so that God will keep evil spirits away - if they don't do
that already. :)
"Young Franenstein" works quite well.
"What hump?"
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Doc Smartass, BAAWA Knight of Heckling
aa # 1939
No one can terrorize a whole nation, unless we are all his accomplices.
--Edward R. Murrow
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14 Sep 2007 08:43:17 PM |
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Doc Smartass <gekido@astroskivviesboymail.com> wrote in
news:Xns99ABBC4EED8FEaskifyouwantit@216.77.188.18:
Enkidu <fox_rgfszx@trashmail.net> wrote in news:Xns99AB9CBF4A52B255229@
130.133.1.4:
Martin Phipps <phippsmartin@hotmail.com> wrote in
news:1189780376.411551.257730@22g2000hsm.googlegroups.com:
Imagine you're watching The Exorcist or The Omen . A priest mutters
something about daemonic possession or some child being the spawn of
Satan. Now personally, I'll just change the channel. But do any of
my fellow atheists manage to suspend disbelief long enough to get
into
this stuff? I guess it's like suspending didbelief while watching a
fantasy or science fiction movie, the difference being that there
would be a lot of people out there that would take gothic horror
seriously and might scare themselves so much that they end up praying
at night so that God will keep evil spirits away - if they don't do
that already. :)
"Young Franenstein" works quite well.
"What hump?"
". . . Sweet mystery if life, at last I've found you!"
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Enkidu AA#2165
EAC Chaplain and ordained minister,
ULC, Modesto, CA
There are many humorous things in the world; among them, the white man's
notion that he is less savage than the other savages.
-Mark Twain
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14 Sep 2007 01:25:42 PM |
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On Fri, 14 Sep 2007 07:32:56 -0700, Martin Phipps
<phippsmartin@hotmail.com> wrote:
Imagine you're watching The Exorcist or The Omen . A priest mutters
something about daemonic possession or some child being the spawn of
Satan. Now personally, I'll just change the channel. But do any of
my fellow atheists manage to suspend disbelief long enough to get into
this stuff? I guess it's like suspending didbelief while watching a
fantasy or science fiction movie, the difference being that there
would be a lot of people out there that would take gothic horror
seriously and might scare themselves so much that they end up praying
at night so that God will keep evil spirits away - if they don't do
that already. :)
It's the same thing as watching Law and Order and hearing them
consulting with the "Long Island Police", seeing them going out to
Long Island City (as if it weren't just another NYC neighborhood) or
questioning a student of "Hudson University". It's fiction. I
suppose stories taking place in other cities have their phony parts,
as have "Charmed" and other "supernatural" shows.
--
Al at Webdingers dot com
"They laughed at Newton, they laughed at Einstein, but they also laughed at
Bozo the Clown."
- Carl Sagan
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| User: "Martin Phipps" |
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15 Sep 2007 12:38:15 AM |
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On Sep 15, 2:25 am, Al Klein <ruk...@pern.invalid> wrote:
On Fri, 14 Sep 2007 07:32:56 -0700, Martin Phipps
<phippsmar...@hotmail.com> wrote:
Imagine you're watching The Exorcist or The Omen . A priest mutters
something about daemonic possession or some child being the spawn of
Satan. Now personally, I'll just change the channel. But do any of
my fellow atheists manage to suspend disbelief long enough to get into
this stuff? I guess it's like suspending didbelief while watching a
fantasy or science fiction movie, the difference being that there
would be a lot of people out there that would take gothic horror
seriously and might scare themselves so much that they end up praying
at night so that God will keep evil spirits away - if they don't do
that already. :)
It's the same thing as watching Law and Order and hearing them
consulting with the "Long Island Police", seeing them going out to
Long Island City (as if it weren't just another NYC neighborhood) or
questioning a student of "Hudson University". It's fiction. I
suppose stories taking place in other cities have their phony parts,
as have "Charmed" and other "supernatural" shows.
Oh, I forgot there actually is a program called "Supernatural". It
looks like crap. I didn't mind the X-Files though because I doubt if
anybody took it seriously.
Martin
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| User: "Olrik" |
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15 Sep 2007 12:19:18 AM |
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On Sep 14, 10:32 am, Martin Phipps <phippsmar...@hotmail.com> wrote:
Imagine you're watching The Exorcist or The Omen . A priest mutters
something about daemonic possession or some child being the spawn of
Satan. Now personally, I'll just change the channel. But do any of
my fellow atheists manage to suspend disbelief long enough to get into
this stuff?
I do. Why not? It's fiction. I do not like "straight" horror much, but
I do like "creepy" stuff, like The Stepford Wives, Ringu (and the
rather good US remake.)
I guess it's like suspending didbelief while watching a
fantasy or science fiction movie,
Or most other genres, really. Think about it.
the difference being that there
would be a lot of people out there that would take gothic horror
seriously and might scare themselves so much that they end up praying
at night so that God will keep evil spirits away - if they don't do
that already. :)
Well, few people here are child anymore!
Olrik
Martin
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| User: "Martin Phipps" |
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15 Sep 2007 12:51:22 AM |
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On Sep 15, 1:19 pm, Olrik <olrik...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Sep 14, 10:32 am, Martin Phipps <phippsmar...@hotmail.com> wrote:
Imagine you're watching The Exorcist or The Omen . A priest mutters
something about daemonic possession or some child being the spawn of
Satan. Now personally, I'll just change the channel. But do any of
my fellow atheists manage to suspend disbelief long enough to get into
this stuff?
I do. Why not? It's fiction. I do not like "straight" horror much, but
I do like "creepy" stuff, like The Stepford Wives, Ringu (and the
rather good US remake.)
I guess it's like suspending didbelief while watching a
fantasy or science fiction movie,
Or most other genres, really. Think about it.
Somebody mentioned Law and Order but the degree to which you have to
suspend disbelief is not the same. A lot of cases on Law and Order I
could actually see happen and some of them probably did, even though
they remind people at the end almost every time that the stories are
ficticious. I don't feel that way about these shows about the
supernatural.
the difference being that there
would be a lot of people out there that would take gothic horror
seriously and might scare themselves so much that they end up praying
at night so that God will keep evil spirits away - if they don't do
that already. :)
Well, few people here are child anymore!
So Christians are children? :)
Martin
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14 Sep 2007 12:34:48 PM |
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On Sep 14, 10:32 am, Martin Phipps <phippsmar...@hotmail.com> wrote:
Imagine you're watching The Exorcist or The Omen . A priest mutters
something about daemonic possession or some child being the spawn of
Satan. Now personally, I'll just change the channel. But do any of
my fellow atheists manage to suspend disbelief long enough to get into
this stuff? I guess it's like suspending didbelief while watching a
fantasy or science fiction movie, the difference being that there
would be a lot of people out there that would take gothic horror
seriously and might scare themselves so much that they end up praying
at night so that God will keep evil spirits away - if they don't do
that already. :)
Martin
Depends on the quality. I even enjoyed Stephen King's "The Stand" and
it delt directly with Christian mythology. Hey, I don't believe that
half-human dog spirits roam the mountains of Japan, either...but it
doesn't keep me from enjoying anime. <g>
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/InuYasha_(character)
-Panama Floyd, Atlanta.
aa#2015/KoBAAWA!
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| User: "Doc Smartass" |
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14 Sep 2007 06:29:22 PM |
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wrote in news:1189791288.131547.301540@
19g2000hsx.googlegroups.com:
On Sep 14, 10:32 am, Martin Phipps <phippsmar...@hotmail.com> wrote:
Imagine you're watching The Exorcist or The Omen . A priest mutters
something about daemonic possession or some child being the spawn of
Satan. Now personally, I'll just change the channel. But do any of
my fellow atheists manage to suspend disbelief long enough to get into
this stuff? I guess it's like suspending didbelief while watching a
fantasy or science fiction movie, the difference being that there
would be a lot of people out there that would take gothic horror
seriously and might scare themselves so much that they end up praying
at night so that God will keep evil spirits away - if they don't do
that already. :)
Martin
Depends on the quality. I even enjoyed Stephen King's "The Stand" and
it delt directly with Christian mythology. Hey, I don't believe that
half-human dog spirits roam the mountains of Japan, either...but it
doesn't keep me from enjoying anime. <g>
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/InuYasha_(character)
One of my faves--then there's TriGun, Cowboy Bebop, Ranma 1/2, and some
aspects of GIS:SAC (the theme song is gorgeous!)...there are some that
are okay, like "Big O" and (IIRC) Kikkaider.
So far, the only one I've heard in proper Japanese w/English subs is
Ranma--it'd be a lot funnier with good English voice actors.
--
Doc Smartass, BAAWA Knight of Heckling
aa # 1939
No one can terrorize a whole nation, unless we are all his accomplices.
--Edward R. Murrow
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14 Sep 2007 07:34:59 PM |
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On Sep 14, 7:29 pm, Doc Smartass <gek...@astroskivviesboymail.com>
wrote:
panamfl...@hotmail.com wrote in news:1189791288.131547.301540@
19g2000hsx.googlegroups.com:
On Sep 14, 10:32 am, Martin Phipps <phippsmar...@hotmail.com> wrote:
Imagine you're watching The Exorcist or The Omen . A priest mutters
something about daemonic possession or some child being the spawn of
Satan. Now personally, I'll just change the channel. But do any of
my fellow atheists manage to suspend disbelief long enough to get into
this stuff? I guess it's like suspending didbelief while watching a
fantasy or science fiction movie, the difference being that there
would be a lot of people out there that would take gothic horror
seriously and might scare themselves so much that they end up praying
at night so that God will keep evil spirits away - if they don't do
that already. :)
Martin
Depends on the quality. I even enjoyed Stephen King's "The Stand" and
it delt directly with Christian mythology. Hey, I don't believe that
half-human dog spirits roam the mountains of Japan, either...but it
doesn't keep me from enjoying anime. <g>
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/InuYasha_(character)
One of my faves--then there's TriGun, Cowboy Bebop, Ranma 1/2, and some
aspects of GIS:SAC (the theme song is gorgeous!)...there are some that
are okay, like "Big O" and (IIRC) Kikkaider.
I kinda got into anime "backwards". I was a big Japanophile, and one
of those false intellectuals claiming the purple hair means they hate
their own race, etc. Then the place I work started airing Sailor Moon
and Dragonball Z, and I saw it was harmless. Traditional old Japanese
values like contributing to the group and working hard. My absolute
fave is Rurouni Kenshin, because it takes place at the beginning of
the Meji period. I think the thing that fascinates the most about the
Japanese was making the transition from agrarian feudal society to
modern industrial nation in less than 100 years. RuKen's set 10yrs
after the restoration of the Emporer, and one of the show's themes is
recovery from the horrors of civil war.
So far, the only one I've heard in proper Japanese w/English subs is
Ranma--it'd be a lot funnier with good English voice actors.
The thing I love about DVDs is that we can all watch `em whatever way
we want. I still listen to Cowboy Bebop occaisonally in English
because the dub is soooooo good!
-Panama Floyd, Atlanta.
aa#2015/KoBAAWA!
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04 Oct 2007 08:25:51 PM |
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wrote in
news:1189816499.439542.106560@r34g2000hsd.googlegroups.com:
On Sep 14, 7:29 pm, Doc Smartass <gek...@astroskivviesboymail.com>
wrote:
panamfl...@hotmail.com wrote in news:1189791288.131547.301540@
19g2000hsx.googlegroups.com:
On Sep 14, 10:32 am, Martin Phipps <phippsmar...@hotmail.com>
wrote:
Imagine you're watching The Exorcist or The Omen . A priest
mutters something about daemonic possession or some child being
the spawn of Satan. Now personally, I'll just change the channel.
But do any of my fellow atheists manage to suspend disbelief long
enough to get into this stuff? I guess it's like suspending
didbelief while watching a fantasy or science fiction movie, the
difference being that there would be a lot of people out there
that would take gothic horror seriously and might scare themselves
so much that they end up praying at night so that God will keep
evil spirits away - if they don't do that already. :)
Martin
Depends on the quality. I even enjoyed Stephen King's "The Stand"
and it delt directly with Christian mythology. Hey, I don't believe
that half-human dog spirits roam the mountains of Japan,
either...but it doesn't keep me from enjoying anime. <g>
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/InuYasha_(character)
One of my faves--then there's TriGun, Cowboy Bebop, Ranma 1/2, and
some aspects of GIS:SAC (the theme song is gorgeous!)...there are
some that are okay, like "Big O" and (IIRC) Kikkaider.
I kinda got into anime "backwards". I was a big Japanophile, and one
of those false intellectuals claiming the purple hair means they hate
their own race, etc. Then the place I work started airing Sailor Moon
and Dragonball Z, and I saw it was harmless. Traditional old Japanese
values like contributing to the group and working hard. My absolute
fave is Rurouni Kenshin, because it takes place at the beginning of
the Meji period. I think the thing that fascinates the most about the
Japanese was making the transition from agrarian feudal society to
modern industrial nation in less than 100 years. RuKen's set 10yrs
after the restoration of the Emporer, and one of the show's themes is
recovery from the horrors of civil war.
A book I'd HIGHLY recommend to anyone into Japanese culture and history:
"Samurai William" by Giles Milton. If you've ever seen the miniseries
"Shogun," this is the story that inspired it--an English navigator joins
a Dutch crew. He's carrying something of incredible value--a copy of the
Spanish/Portuguese maps and charts for sailing around the tip of South
America from Europe to Japan, China, and other such exotic locales.
He winds up as an advisor to the man who eventually becomes Shogun. When
all the Spaniards and Portuguese are banished from the islands in the
early 1600's (after a few decades of putting up with them), William is
the only one left. He's buried there.
So far, the only one I've heard in proper Japanese w/English subs is
Ranma--it'd be a lot funnier with good English voice actors.
The thing I love about DVDs is that we can all watch `em whatever way
we want. I still listen to Cowboy Bebop occaisonally in English
because the dub is soooooo good!
They did get good voice actors for that dub.
--
Doc Smartass, BAAWA Knight of Heckling
aa # 1939
No one can terrorize a whole nation, unless we are all his accomplices.
--Edward R. Murrow
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| User: "Syd M." |
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14 Sep 2007 11:41:29 AM |
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On Sep 14, 10:32 am, Martin Phipps <phippsmar...@hotmail.com> wrote:
Imagine you're watching The Exorcist or The Omen . A priest mutters
something about daemonic possession or some child being the spawn of
Satan. Now personally, I'll just change the channel. But do any of
my fellow atheists manage to suspend disbelief long enough to get into
this stuff? I guess it's like suspending didbelief while watching a
fantasy or science fiction movie, the difference being that there
would be a lot of people out there that would take gothic horror
seriously and might scare themselves so much that they end up praying
at night so that God will keep evil spirits away - if they don't do
that already. :)
Martin
Yeah.. I can find stuff that I know is mythology and/or completely
made up horror very creepy.
The last good one that did that was the Blair Witch Project.. And I
knew the hype about it going in.
PDW
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| User: "skyeyes" |
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14 Sep 2007 05:34:58 PM |
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On Sep 14, 7:32 am, Martin Phipps <phippsmar...@hotmail.com> wrote:
Imagine you're watching The Exorcist or The Omen . A priest mutters
something about daemonic possession or some child being the spawn of
Satan. Now personally, I'll just change the channel. But do any of
my fellow atheists manage to suspend disbelief long enough to get into
this stuff? I guess it's like suspending didbelief while watching a
fantasy or science fiction movie, the difference being that there
would be a lot of people out there that would take gothic horror
seriously and might scare themselves so much that they end up praying
at night so that God will keep evil spirits away - if they don't do
that already. :)
Sure, why not? Hey, watching a good horror flick beats the snot out
of watching a chick-flick *any* *day*. I'll take The Exorcist over
Steel Magnolias every time.
Brenda Nelson, A.A.#34
EAC Professor of Feline Thermometrics and Cat-Herding
skyeyes at dakotacom dot net.
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| User: "Martin Phipps" |
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15 Sep 2007 12:47:22 AM |
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On Sep 15, 6:34 am, skyeyes <skye...@dakotacom.net> wrote:
On Sep 14, 7:32 am, Martin Phipps <phippsmar...@hotmail.com> wrote:
Imagine you're watching The Exorcist or The Omen . A priest mutters
something about daemonic possession or some child being the spawn of
Satan. Now personally, I'll just change the channel. But do any of
my fellow atheists manage to suspend disbelief long enough to get into
this stuff? I guess it's like suspending didbelief while watching a
fantasy or science fiction movie, the difference being that there
would be a lot of people out there that would take gothic horror
seriously and might scare themselves so much that they end up praying
at night so that God will keep evil spirits away - if they don't do
that already. :)
Sure, why not? Hey, watching a good horror flick beats the snot out
of watching a chick-flick *any* *day*. I'll take The Exorcist over
Steel Magnolias every time.
You know what would be scary? Seeing a guy tied down to a chair with
his eyes glued open and forced to watch Steel Magnolias. Brr.
Martin
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| User: "Collideascope" |
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04 Oct 2007 09:57:12 PM |
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On Sep 14, 9:32 am, Martin Phipps <phippsmar...@hotmail.com> wrote:
Imagine you're watching The Exorcist or The Omen . A priest mutters
something about daemonic possession or some child being the spawn of
Satan. Now personally, I'll just change the channel. But do any of
my fellow atheists manage to suspend disbelief long enough to get into
this stuff? I guess it's like suspending didbelief while watching a
fantasy or science fiction movie, the difference being that there
would be a lot of people out there that would take gothic horror
seriously and might scare themselves so much that they end up praying
at night so that God will keep evil spirits away - if they don't do
that already. :)
I'm not much for horror in general, save for the vampire genre. I
find numerous films in that category to be amongst my favorite movies.
Nosferatu (1922)
Dracula (1931) [at least the first half of the film]
Dracula's Daughter (1936)
Dracula/Horror Of Dracula (1958)
The Vampire Lovers (1970)
Interview With The Vampire (1994)
Terrific stuff!
I loved Lost Boys (1987) as well, though I suspect having come of age
in the '80s helps in that regard.
Omega Man (1971) as well, though the vampire-like creatures were not
only absurd but were given a scientific, as opposed to metaphysical,
nature. But watching Heston over-act in a movie with a limited budget
is priceless, as is his Christ-like demise at the end of the film.
And 'Salems Lot (novel) was Stephen King at or near the peak of his
abilities.
If it's a good tale, and done with an artistic touch, I don't mind the
religious angle. For example, I find watching Max von Sydow play
chess with Death while searching for The-Meaning-Of-It-All=99 is about
as good as film watching gets.
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| User: "Medusa" |
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14 Sep 2007 04:33:27 PM |
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On Sep 14, 9:32 am, Martin Phipps <phippsmar...@hotmail.com> wrote:
Imagine you're watching The Exorcist or The Omen . A priest mutters
something about daemonic possession or some child being the spawn of
Satan. Now personally, I'll just change the channel. But do any of
my fellow atheists manage to suspend disbelief long enough to get into
this stuff? I guess it's like suspending didbelief while watching a
fantasy or science fiction movie, the difference being that there
would be a lot of people out there that would take gothic horror
seriously and might scare themselves so much that they end up praying
at night so that God will keep evil spirits away - if they don't do
that already. :)
You're right, it is like suspending rationality when reading or
watching sci-fi or fanatasy. I LOVE a good gothic, horror movie! I
just watched "Rosemary's Baby" for about the 20th time. One of my
favorite movies is the original version of "The Haunting," Devils and
ghosts. . .nonsense, of course, but sometimes it makes for a good read
or movie.
What is really scary are the books and movies about the real life
nutters out there. I believe "Silence of the Lambs" was based on a
real case.
Medusa
AA #2281
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| User: "Greywolf" |
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14 Sep 2007 08:10:09 PM |
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"Medusa" <Medusa4303@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1189805607.936721.307770@r29g2000hsg.googlegroups.com...
On Sep 14, 9:32 am, Martin Phipps <phippsmar...@hotmail.com> wrote:
Imagine you're watching The Exorcist or The Omen . A priest mutters
something about daemonic possession or some child being the spawn of
Satan. Now personally, I'll just change the channel. But do any of
my fellow atheists manage to suspend disbelief long enough to get into
this stuff?
Hardly. But, hey; if the choice is between 'The Exorcist' or some freakin'
scum-bag trying to convince you that you can make a ton of money by buying
his 10 web-site 'system for financial success' whereby the websites generate
thousands upon thousands of dollars while you tend to your stable of horses
.... I'll watch ... the infomercial.
I guess it's like suspending didbelief while watching a
fantasy or science fiction movie, the difference being that there
would be a lot of people out there that would take gothic horror
seriously and might scare themselves so much that they end up praying
at night so that God will keep evil spirits away - if they don't do
that already. :)
Hmmm, that has idea has never crossed my mind while watching *any* movie. As
for being 'scared'? Not since I was ten years old. As for 'evil spirits' ...
what are those?
You're right, it is like suspending rationality when reading or
watching sci-fi or fanatasy. I LOVE a good gothic, horror movie! I
just watched "Rosemary's Baby" for about the 20th time. One of my
favorite movies is the original version of "The Haunting," Devils and
ghosts. . .nonsense, of course, but sometimes it makes for a good read
or movie.
In all seriousness, I have to admit that the original 'The Haunting' is the
best 'scary' movie I've seen. (The doors 'breathing' in and out was just
terrific movie magic.) And notice, no blood and gore. You used your
imagination to generate that 'chill' that went up your spine.
What is really scary are the books and movies about the real life
nutters out there. I believe "Silence of the Lambs" was based on a
real case.
Medusa
AA #2281
You want 'scared'? Watch what the religious right is doing to our country.
Now *that's* 'scary'!
I would add that what is *not* being done to come to my rescue out here on
the part of Wisconsin state officials is *equally* as 'scary'! Which among
you is next?
Greywolf
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| User: "Robibnikoff" |
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14 Sep 2007 04:58:06 PM |
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"Medusa" <Medusa4303@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1189805607.936721.307770@r29g2000hsg.googlegroups.com...
On Sep 14, 9:32 am, Martin Phipps <phippsmar...@hotmail.com> wrote:
Imagine you're watching The Exorcist or The Omen . A priest mutters
something about daemonic possession or some child being the spawn of
Satan. Now personally, I'll just change the channel. But do any of
my fellow atheists manage to suspend disbelief long enough to get into
this stuff? I guess it's like suspending didbelief while watching a
fantasy or science fiction movie, the difference being that there
would be a lot of people out there that would take gothic horror
seriously and might scare themselves so much that they end up praying
at night so that God will keep evil spirits away - if they don't do
that already. :)
You're right, it is like suspending rationality when reading or
watching sci-fi or fanatasy. I LOVE a good gothic, horror movie! I
just watched "Rosemary's Baby" for about the 20th time.
I remember the first time I saw that movie, I was SO ***** that they
didn't show the baby! ;)
One of my
favorite movies is the original version of "The Haunting," Devils and
ghosts. . .nonsense, of course, but sometimes it makes for a good read
or movie.
Scary *****! Very few horror movies actually scare me, but that one
definitely gave me the heebie jeebies ;)
What is really scary are the books and movies about the real life
nutters out there. I believe "Silence of the Lambs" was based on a
real case.
Ed Gein, I think, but he might have been the inspiration for Texas Chainsaw
Massacre
http://www.houseofhorrors.com/gein.htm
--
Robyn
Resident Witchypoo
BAAWA Knight!
#1557
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| User: "Cj" |
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16 Sep 2007 02:55:30 AM |
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"Robibnikoff" <witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote >> What is really scary are
the books and movies about the real life
nutters out there. I believe "Silence of the Lambs" was based on a
real case.
Ed Gein, I think, but he might have been the inspiration for Texas
Chainsaw Massacre
Nope, "Silence of the Lambs" was a composite of several serial killers.
Gein was the model for Hitchcock's "Psycho"
Cj
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| User: "Robibnikoff" |
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16 Sep 2007 04:31:08 AM |
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"Cj" <cwalt@gwi.net> wrote in message
news:Rs-dnSPTAdbqfHHbnZ2dnUVZ_rWtnZ2d@gwi.net...
"Robibnikoff" <witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote >> What is really scary are
the books and movies about the real life
nutters out there. I believe "Silence of the Lambs" was based on a
real case.
Ed Gein, I think, but he might have been the inspiration for Texas
Chainsaw Massacre
Nope, "Silence of the Lambs" was a composite of several serial killers.
Gein was the model for Hitchcock's "Psycho"
Did you read the article?
Though, I guess it's all a matter of opinion anyway.
--
Robyn
Resident Witchypoo
BAAWA Knight!
#1557
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| User: "satyr" |
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14 Sep 2007 10:55:31 PM |
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On Fri, 14 Sep 2007 17:58:06 -0400, "Robibnikoff"
<witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote:
Ed Gein, I think, but he might have been the inspiration for Texas Chainsaw
Massacre
http://www.houseofhorrors.com/gein.htm
"Within weeks of his arrest, macabre Jokes called "Geiners" became a
statewide craze."
I have done the research to bring these to you.
Q: Why did they have to keep the heat on in Ed Gein's house?
A: So the furniture wouldn't get goosebumps.
Q: Why did Ed Gein's girlfriend stop going out with him?
A: Because he was such a cut-up.
Q: Why won't anyone play cards with Ed Gein?
A: He might come up with a good hand.
Q: What did Ed Gein say to the sheriff who arrested him?
A: "Have a heart!"
Q: Why did they let Ed Gein out of jail for New Year's Eve?
A: So he could dig up a date.
--
satyr #1953
Chairman, EAC Church Taxation Subcommittee
Director, Gideon Bible Alternative Fuel Project
Supervisor, EAC Fossil Casting Lab
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| User: "Robibnikoff" |
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15 Sep 2007 04:23:03 AM |
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"satyr" <RsEaMtOyVrE@infidels.org> wrote in message
news:3hlme3pvot1jcg08a05jn5bu8eumngj9en@4ax.com...
On Fri, 14 Sep 2007 17:58:06 -0400, "Robibnikoff"
<witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote:
Ed Gein, I think, but he might have been the inspiration for Texas
Chainsaw
Massacre
http://www.houseofhorrors.com/gein.htm
"Within weeks of his arrest, macabre Jokes called "Geiners" became a
statewide craze."
I have done the research to bring these to you.
Q: Why did they have to keep the heat on in Ed Gein's house?
A: So the furniture wouldn't get goosebumps.
Q: Why did Ed Gein's girlfriend stop going out with him?
A: Because he was such a cut-up.
Q: Why won't anyone play cards with Ed Gein?
A: He might come up with a good hand.
Q: What did Ed Gein say to the sheriff who arrested him?
A: "Have a heart!"
Q: Why did they let Ed Gein out of jail for New Year's Eve?
A: So he could dig up a date.
Oh my. Gak :P
--
Robyn
Resident Witchypoo
BAAWA Knight!
#1557
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| User: "Brian E. Clark" |
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14 Sep 2007 06:34:08 PM |
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In article <1189805607.936721.307770
@r29g2000hsg.googlegroups.com>, Medusa said...
One of my
favorite movies is the original version of "The Haunting,"
Well, that is a v-e-r-y well done ghost film, one of
the few that actually invoke fright.
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Brian E. Clark
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| User: "Martin Phipps" |
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15 Sep 2007 12:42:14 AM |
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On Sep 15, 5:33 am, Medusa <Medusa4...@yahoo.com> wrote:
On Sep 14, 9:32 am, Martin Phipps <phippsmar...@hotmail.com> wrote:
Imagine you're watching The Exorcist or The Omen . A priest mutters
something about daemonic possession or some child being the spawn of
Satan. Now personally, I'll just change the channel. But do any of
my fellow atheists manage to suspend disbelief long enough to get into
this stuff? I guess it's like suspending didbelief while watching a
fantasy or science fiction movie, the difference being that there
would be a lot of people out there that would take gothic horror
seriously and might scare themselves so much that they end up praying
at night so that God will keep evil spirits away - if they don't do
that already. :)
You're right, it is like suspending rationality when reading or
watching sci-fi or fanatasy. I LOVE a good gothic, horror movie! I
just watched "Rosemary's Baby" for about the 20th time. One of my
favorite movies is the original version of "The Haunting," Devils and
ghosts. . .nonsense, of course, but sometimes it makes for a good read
or movie.
What is really scary are the books and movies about the real life
nutters out there. I believe "Silence of the Lambs" was based on a
real case.
That reminds me. My wife rented The Exorcism of Emily Rose and the
movie claims it is a true story. It scares me to think that there are
people who actually believe that daemonic possession and exorcism are
real.
Martin
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| User: "Kelsey Bjarnason" |
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18 Sep 2007 06:52:31 PM |
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[snips]
On Fri, 14 Sep 2007 07:32:56 -0700, Martin Phipps wrote:
Imagine you're watching The Exorcist or The Omen . A priest mutters
something about daemonic possession or some child being the spawn of
Satan. Now personally, I'll just change the channel. But do any of
my fellow atheists manage to suspend disbelief long enough to get into
this stuff?
Sure. The bad guys in the movies range from terrorists to Romulans to
kidnappers to unspecified aliens to demons and devils. I don't see one as
being better or worse than another, particularly if they're non-human of
any sort.
Just mentally write in "generic bad-type guy" and voila; all makes sense
again, as much as any such movie does.
--
Pi is equal to 3.0: God has a nasty habit of using base 10.472.
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