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Does Religion Make People Better or Worse?
front page ^ | 05 September 2006 | Dennis Prager
Posted on 09/05/2006 4:11:24 AM PDT by unionblue83
I have devoted much of my life to arguing that religion is the finest
vehicle for individuals and societies to become decent, good, moral
(you choose the term you prefer). For example, in 2005, I devoted 24
columns to making the case for Judeo-Christian values as the finest
system of values ever devised.
However, this advocacy of religion comes with two caveats.
First, the claimed superiority of Judeo-Christian values in no way
means that all believing Jews and Christians are good people, let alone
better than all other people. There have always been and there are
today morally superior individuals in every religion. And there are
morally superior individuals among atheists and people of no organized
religion.
Second, there is no religion that has not made, or at least enabled,
some of its adherents to be morally worse than they would have been had
they not adopted that religion.
So our question is not whether there are good or bad people in every
religion. The question is whether any given religion is likely to make
one who believes in it a better or worse person than he would have been
had he not believed in that religion.
Let's begin with my religion, Judaism. I recall a young man who
attended a Jewish institute I used to direct. When he first arrived at
the institute, he was a particularly kind and nonjudgmental individual
-- and completely secular. After his month-long immersion in studying
and living Judaism, he decided to become a fully practicing Jew. When I
met him a year later he was actually less kind and was aggressively
judgmental of the religiosity of fellow Jews, including me and others
who had brought him to Judaism. In one year he had become in his eyes
holier than the teachers who brought him to religion in the first
place.
Now, of course, there are teachings in Judaism that, if honored (such
as the Prophet Micah's admonition to "walk humbly with your God"),
would have prevented him from becoming sanctimonious. But the
religion's emphasis on legal observance enabled him to count the number
of laws fellow Jews did not observe and judge them accordingly.
One major benefit of Judaism's being law-based is that it can provide
an individual with a way to regularly ascertain right from wrong, to
provide ethical rules on a daily basis. It can move him to visit the
sick when he would rather be at home watching television, to resist
gossiping, to give more charity than he otherwise would, to show honor
to parents who may not deserve it, and so much more. But it can also
lead him to judge fellow Jews by their level of ritual observance, to
substitute law worship for God worship, and can lead a Jew to retreat
from almost any social interaction with the non-Jewish world.
Within Christianity, faith in Jesus Christ can lead one to live a life
of extraordinary loving kindness and self-sacrifice in order to emulate
Jesus, whom the Christian regards as his Lord and Savior. It can also,
and has, led Christians to place so much emphasis on proper faith as to
neglect equal emphasis on proper behavior, to hunt down heretics, to
judge other people by their faith rather than by their decency (as in
Europe's wars and killing over theology). It can lead to an almost
unique support for the Jewish people -- as among American evangelical
and other conservative Christians -- and it has also led to the most
prolonged hatred of the Jews for spurning and killing Christ among
Christians in Europe.
Nearly 2,000 years of Christian domination of Europe did not prevent
most Europeans from doing nothing to protest, let alone rescue Jews
from, the Nazi genocide. On the other hand, the relative handful of
European Jews who were saved were rescued disproportionately by
religious Christians. I once asked California State University
Professor Samuel Oliner -- an authority on altruism and on rescuers of
Jews during the Holocaust, and himself a Jew who was rescued by
non-Jews -- knowing all he does now, on whose door would he knock if he
wanted to be saved from the Nazis during the Holocaust -- a doctor, a
professor, a lawyer or a priest. He answered that there was no question
that it would have been the priest.
The third monotheistic faith is Islam. There are many millions of
decent and kind Muslims in the world. But there are also at least a
hundred million Muslims (i.e., 10 percent) who support killing
innocents in the name of Allah and Islam. And there are more than that
who believe in the ideal of using force to spread Islam throughout the
world.
So the question is this: How many kind and decent Muslims are kind and
decent because of Islam, and how many evil Muslims are evil because of
Islam?
I do not claim to have an answer. I only claim that the question is a
legitimate one that all the decent Muslims need to answer. The evil
ones repeatedly tell us how Islam is the source of their support for
murder and torture. We need to know from the good ones how Islam has
made them good.
So far we have only heard from one side.
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Dennis Prager hosts a nationally syndicated radio talk show based in
Los Angeles. He is the author of four books, most recently "Happiness
is a Serious Problem" (HarperCollins). His website is
www.dennisprager.com. To find out more about Dennis Prager, visit the
Creators Syndicate Web page at www.creators.com.
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14 Sep 2006 06:50:54 PM |
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Does Religion Make People Better or Worse?
it hasn't made you any less despicable
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14 Sep 2006 03:55:04 PM |
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Does Religion Make People Better or Worse?
It makes them stupider.
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14 Sep 2006 08:45:29 PM |
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:It makes them stupider.
And seems to have the same effect on its rabid opponents.
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"The supreme satisfaction is to be able to despise one’s
neighbour and this fact goes far to account for religious
intolerance. It is evidently consoling to reflect that the
people next door are headed for hell."
-- Aleister Crowley
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14 Sep 2006 09:20:21 PM |
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"Fred J. McCall" <fmccall@earthlink.net> wrote in message
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:It makes them stupider.
And seems to have the same effect on its rabid opponents.
--
"The supreme satisfaction is to be able to despise one's
neighbour and this fact goes far to account for religious
intolerance. It is evidently consoling to reflect that the
people next door are headed for hell."
-- Aleister Crowley
NoGall McCall's quote immediately above, is particularly inept.
He takes the position of advocating religion, then gives a quote criticizing
religionists.
Moron.
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16 Sep 2006 03:21:37 AM |
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:It makes them stupider.
And seems to have the same effect on its rabid opponents.
--
"The supreme satisfaction is to be able to despise one's
neighbour and this fact goes far to account for religious
intolerance. It is evidently consoling to reflect that the
people next door are headed for hell."
-- Aleister Crowley
NoGall McCall's quote immediately above, is particularly inept.
He takes the position of advocating religion, then gives a quote
criticizing religionists.
Moron.
In my years here I have met morons aplenty...
There was Toby, a harmless moron, good fun, stuck around for about as long
as NoGall.
Then, there was Campbell, a maverick but superb moron; he made me think I
had reached the bottom of the barrel, but surprise!, below the bottom of the
barrel there was another barrel and inside at the bottom I found NoGall...
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16 Sep 2006 11:36:22 AM |
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:> "The supreme satisfaction is to be able to despise one's
:> neighbour and this fact goes far to account for religious
:> intolerance. It is evidently consoling to reflect that the
:> people next door are headed for hell."
:> -- Aleister Crowley
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:NoGall McCall's quote immediately above, is particularly inept.
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:He takes the position of advocating religion, then gives a quote criticizing
:religionists.
And this just shows how stupid Ant Arrow is.
Where, pray tell, did I take a position advocating religion?
Hint: I took a position denigrating folks on the other extreme, who
act just like their views are 'religion'. It's not the same thing at
all.
:Moron.
Indeed.
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"Some people get lost in thought because it's such unfamiliar
territory."
--G. Behn
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16 Sep 2006 12:33:40 PM |
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"Fred J. McCall" <fmccall@earthlink.net> wrote in message
"Quack quack"
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16 Sep 2006 09:21:37 PM |
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:> "The supreme satisfaction is to be able to despise one's
:> neighbour and this fact goes far to account for religious
:> intolerance. It is evidently consoling to reflect that the
:> people next door are headed for hell."
:> -- Aleister Crowley
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:NoGall McCall's quote immediately above, is particularly inept.
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:He takes the position of advocating religion, then gives a quote
criticizing
:religionists.
And this just shows how stupid Ant Arrow is.
Ant Arrow?
Is that supposed to be witty, Gordito?
NoGall insists on playing a game for which he is as under-endowed as for
computer science, chemistry, women, pillow fights, etc., etc.
See NoGall how wrong you are in dismissing those who fail to grasp your
invisible genius?
Where, pray tell, did I take a position advocating religion?
Hint: I took a position denigrating folks on the other extreme, who
act just like their views are 'religion'. It's not the same thing at
all.
:Moron.
Indeed.
Mr. Antero calls NoGall "moron" and NoGall replies "indeed."
That's what people call a consensus.
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17 Sep 2006 03:05:05 AM |
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:> :> "The supreme satisfaction is to be able to despise one's
:> :> neighbour and this fact goes far to account for religious
:> :> intolerance. It is evidently consoling to reflect that the
:> :> people next door are headed for hell."
:> :> -- Aleister Crowley
:> :
:> :NoGall McCall's quote immediately above, is particularly inept.
:> :
:> :He takes the position of advocating religion, then gives a quote
:> criticizing
:> :religionists.
:>
:> And this just shows how stupid Ant Arrow is.
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:Ant Arrow?
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:Is that supposed to be witty, Gordito?
No doubt it's beyond to make the logical leap required, Tiglet.
:> Where, pray tell, did I take a position advocating religion?
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:> Hint: I took a position denigrating folks on the other extreme, who
:> act just like their views are 'religion'. It's not the same thing at
:> all.
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:> :Moron.
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:> Indeed.
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:Mr. Antero calls NoGall "moron" and NoGall replies "indeed."
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:That's what people call a consensus.
Leave it to Tiglet of PooPoo Corner to be unable to actually read and
follow the entire sequence.
Tiglet - the other, stupider white meat.
--
"Some people get lost in thought because it's such unfamiliar
territory."
--G. Behn
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17 Sep 2006 08:55:08 AM |
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"Fred J. McCall" <fmccall@earthlink.net> wrote in message
NoGall gets lost in thought because it's such unfamiliar territory.
You did about as well on this, as you did on the "64 bit" computer argument
with Tiglath, which you have apparently surrendered on.
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17 Sep 2006 01:29:41 PM |
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"J Antero" <JAntero45@map.com> wrote in message
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NoGall gets lost in thought because it's such unfamiliar territory.
You did about as well on this, as you did on the "64 bit" computer
argument with Tiglath, which you have apparently surrendered on.
He has also thrown the towel into the ring on the question of what CPUs can
perform between less than 1 and 4 distinct operations in a register in a
clock cycle.
And a whole lot of others.
NoGall is powerless in these questions. All he can offer is bluster, and he
knows that it won't do. He doesn't have the power or the knowledge to put
forward a cogent argument or provide evidence to support any of the
nitwitteries I have listed, those above included.
He doesn't have the power to mock his opponents without suffering further
ridicule because his lameness is inherent to his consciousness.
The only power NoGall has left is Plonk Power.
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17 Sep 2006 10:09:35 AM |
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"J Antero" <JAntero45@map.com> wrote:
:"Fred J. McCall" <fmccall@earthlink.net> wrote in message
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:NoGall gets lost in thought because it's such unfamiliar territory.
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:You did about as well on this, as you did on the "64 bit" computer argument
:with Tiglath, which you have apparently surrendered on.
Ant Arrow displays all the perspicacity that has made him the sock
puppet he is today.
Tiglet - the other, stupider white meat.
--
"Some people get lost in thought because it's such unfamiliar
territory."
--G. Behn
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17 Sep 2006 01:29:41 PM |
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"Fred J. McCall" <fmccall@earthlink.net> wrote in message
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"J Antero" <JAntero45@map.com> wrote:
:"Fred J. McCall" <fmccall@earthlink.net> wrote in message
:
:NoGall gets lost in thought because it's such unfamiliar territory.
:
:You did about as well on this, as you did on the "64 bit" computer
argument
:with Tiglath, which you have apparently surrendered on.
Ant Arrow displays all the perspicacity that has made him the sock
puppet he is today.
Yet it is you NoGall, a Principal Engineer at Raytheon, allegedly, who asked
me this question.
"[W]hich architecture or actual CPU it is that you think has an 'integer
register'?"
It is confirmation, if it was ever needed, that you are a computer
illiterate moron intent on committing intellectual suicide.
It is you NoGall also, who has accumulated these string of beauties...
Take a look at these ACCURATE quotes:
"[A] computer using a 64-bit CPU and a 64-bit computer are the same thing."
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"And you get no gain from it [running a 32-bit application on a 64-bit
computer], either, since in 32-bit mode it [a 64-bit computer] looks and
operates EXACTLY like its 32-bit brethren."
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"The [computer] 'market' is all the ones in use."
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Report: "More than 50 percent of the top 500 of the Forbes Global 2000
companies or their subsidiaries use AMD64 processor-based systems."
http://www.amdboard.com/amd_041206.html
NoGall: "Note that this just means they have ONE such machine out of however
many thousands they own.
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"No one is discriminating by gender in current marriage law [.]. The right
is to marry someone OF THE OPPOSITE GENDER. That's not gender
discrimination. Whatever your gender is, you can marry someone from the
other one."
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"There is very little difference between C and C++/Java" [Different
programming eras.]
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"A compiler doesn't usually produce an executable file."
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Paraphrase: "A binder produces some special code that lets the executable be
hooked into the OS." [This special code remains a mystery]
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"In the U.S. it is illegal to call oneself an engineer without being PE
certified." [a false statement]
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"It's not 'fire' unless it's EFFECTIVE. [Fire from weapons. Go figure]
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"Sound velocity goes up proportional to [air] density." [The opposite is
true]
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"Since water is denser than air, so air with water in it would be denser
than air without water in it.[...] This only makes sense." [The opposite is
true]
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"At frequencies below around 300Hz sound attenuates faster in dry air.
Above that, it travels further [sic] in dry air." [The opposite is true]
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"They're [mortars] carried by heavy weapons teams, not infantry teams."
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Paraphrasing: "There are CPUs that can perform between less than 1 and 4
operations in a register in the same clock cycle."
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NoGall (a.k.a. Fred J. McCall) April-September 2006
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17 Sep 2006 11:15:33 AM |
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"J Antero" <JAntero45@map.com> wrote:
:"Fred J. McCall" <fmccall@earthlink.net> wrote in message
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:NoGall gets lost in thought because it's such unfamiliar territory.
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:You did about as well on this, as you did on the "64 bit" computer
argument
:with Tiglath, which you have apparently surrendered on.
Ant Arrow displays all the perspicacity that has made him the sock
puppet he is today.
Yes of course. We're all "sock puppets".
As you look up from your perpetually low position, it must seem as though
everyone is not only above you, but against you.
NoGall: NoCompetency; NoHonesty;
Tiglet - the other, stupider white meat.
--
"Some people get lost in thought because it's such unfamiliar
territory."
--G. Behn
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18 Sep 2006 12:19:01 AM |
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"J Antero" <JAntero45@map.com> wrote:
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:"Fred J. McCall" <fmccall@earthlink.net> wrote in message
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:> "J Antero" <JAntero45@map.com> wrote:
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:> :"Fred J. McCall" <fmccall@earthlink.net> wrote in message
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:> :NoGall gets lost in thought because it's such unfamiliar territory.
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:> :You did about as well on this, as you did on the "64 bit" computer
:> argument
:> :with Tiglath, which you have apparently surrendered on.
:> Ant Arrow displays all the perspicacity that has made him the sock
:> puppet he is today.
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:Yes of course. We're all "sock puppets".
Not all, Ant Arrow. Just you members of the hosiery set.
Tiglet - the other, stupider white meat.
--
"Some people get lost in thought because it's such unfamiliar
territory."
--G. Behn
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18 Sep 2006 01:46:52 AM |
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"Fred J. McCall" <fmccall@earthlink.net> wrote in message
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"J Antero" <JAntero45@map.com> wrote:
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:"Fred J. McCall" <fmccall@earthlink.net> wrote in message
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:> "J Antero" <JAntero45@map.com> wrote:
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:> :"Fred J. McCall" <fmccall@earthlink.net> wrote in message
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:> :NoGall gets lost in thought because it's such unfamiliar territory.
:> :
:> :You did about as well on this, as you did on the "64 bit" computer
:> argument
:> :with Tiglath, which you have apparently surrendered on.
:> Ant Arrow displays all the perspicacity that has made him the sock
:> puppet he is today.
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:Yes of course. We're all "sock puppets".
Not all, Ant Arrow. Just you members of the hosiery set.
I don't think NoGall believes in God. It's too big. In his world of
tails and legs, puppets and socks, his small mental vocabulary can't deal
with complex concepts like God.
NoGall worships something much simpler that also works in mysterious ways
(to him): The Microwave.
It stays cold yet the stuff you put in it gets hot... How's that for
mysterious?
NoGall is the first Microwavian.
Nothing wrong with that... if it pops your corn... go for it.
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18 Sep 2006 12:26:25 PM |
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"Fred J. McCall" <fmccall@earthlink.net> wrote in message
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"J Antero" <JAntero45@map.com> wrote:
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:"Fred J. McCall" <fmccall@earthlink.net> wrote in message
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:> "J Antero" <JAntero45@map.com> wrote:
:>
:> :"Fred J. McCall" <fmccall@earthlink.net> wrote in message
:> :
:> :NoGall gets lost in thought because it's such unfamiliar territory.
:> :
:> :You did about as well on this, as you did on the "64 bit" computer
:> argument
:> :with Tiglath, which you have apparently surrendered on.
:> Ant Arrow displays all the perspicacity that has made him the sock
:> puppet he is today.
:
:Yes of course. We're all "sock puppets".
Not all, Ant Arrow. Just you members of the hosiery set.
So says an obese loser who regularly gets put down when he tries to make any
sort of verifiable assertion.
If you think "Tiglath" and "Antero" are the same persons, then why don't we
have a wager, escrowed, and payable upon a mutually agreed standard of
proof? $20,000 from you, against $10,000 each from Tiglath and Antero.
You're a "computer expert", right NoGall? If you actually believe what
you're saying, then this is $20,000 easy money.
Tiglet - the other, stupider white meat.
Really?
--
"Some people get lost in thought because it's such unfamiliar
territory."
Very, very ironic.
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18 Sep 2006 05:07:04 PM |
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"J Antero" <JAntero45@map.com> wrote in message
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If you think "Tiglath" and "Antero" are the same persons, then why don't
we have a wager, escrowed, and payable upon a mutually agreed standard of
proof? $20,000 from you, against $10,000 each from Tiglath and Antero.
You're a "computer expert", right NoGall? If you actually believe what
you're saying, then this is $20,000 easy money.
NoGall hates it when people call his bluff.
He has to go into deep silence on the matter or divert with lame invective.
I'll wager my 10K.
But $20K is a bit steep for NoGall. That's about half his net annual
salary. Principle Engineers with Ada backgrounds don't make that much.
Especially a computer engineer who thinks that CPUs don't have integer
registers because "integer registers" and "general purpose registers" are
synonymous.
Especially a computer engineer who insists that "machine" referring to
computers refers to the hardware, and then he uses the term "Linux machine."
Especially a computer engineer who doesn't think 64-bit CPUs are common when
they make up more than half the CPU sales of AMD and Intel.
Especially because if we who only know NoGall through posts and have found
him wanting in all areas he tackles, imagine his bosses who get to review
the products of his incompetence on a regular basis.
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18 Sep 2006 05:28:28 PM |
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"Tiglath" <temp4@tiglath.net> wrote in message
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"J Antero" <JAntero45@map.com> wrote in message
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If you think "Tiglath" and "Antero" are the same persons, then why don't
we have a wager, escrowed, and payable upon a mutually agreed standard of
proof? $20,000 from you, against $10,000 each from Tiglath and Antero.
You're a "computer expert", right NoGall? If you actually believe what
you're saying, then this is $20,000 easy money.
NoGall hates it when people call his bluff.
He has to go into deep silence on the matter or divert with lame
invective.
I'll wager my 10K.
Obviously, I'm in for $10,000. It's up to McCall.
A letter agreement can be drawn up which will be notarized in our respective
states, and copies cross distributed. An account can be set up somewhere to
which all parties contribute the amounts wagered. Things should be done
such that any non-performance can be dealt with in a Federal venue.
The ball is in McCall's court.
But $20K is a bit steep for NoGall. That's about half his net annual
salary. Principle Engineers with Ada backgrounds don't make that much.
Especially a computer engineer who thinks that CPUs don't have integer
registers because "integer registers" and "general purpose registers" are
synonymous.
Especially a computer engineer who insists that "machine" referring to
computers refers to the hardware, and then he uses the term "Linux
machine."
Especially a computer engineer who doesn't think 64-bit CPUs are common
when they make up more than half the CPU sales of AMD and Intel.
Especially because if we who only know NoGall through posts and have found
him wanting in all areas he tackles, imagine his bosses who get to review
the products of his incompetence on a regular basis.
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18 Sep 2006 08:43:26 PM |
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"J Antero" <JAntero45@map.com> wrote in message
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"Tiglath" <temp4@tiglath.net> wrote in message
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"J Antero" <JAntero45@map.com> wrote in message
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If you think "Tiglath" and "Antero" are the same persons, then why don't
we have a wager, escrowed, and payable upon a mutually agreed standard
of proof? $20,000 from you, against $10,000 each from Tiglath and
Antero.
You're a "computer expert", right NoGall? If you actually believe what
you're saying, then this is $20,000 easy money.
NoGall hates it when people call his bluff.
He has to go into deep silence on the matter or divert with lame
invective.
I'll wager my 10K.
Obviously, I'm in for $10,000. It's up to McCall.
A letter agreement can be drawn up which will be notarized in our
respective states, and copies cross distributed. An account can be set up
somewhere to which all parties contribute the amounts wagered. Things
should be done such that any non-performance can be dealt with in a
Federal venue.
The ball is in McCall's court.
Another test of NoGall's mettle.
I am ready for a side bet that he will shrink from it.
Shrinkage comes natural to NoGall.
His usual cop out is that he can't be bothered.
Like a piranha confronting a shark.
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| User: "Tiglath" |
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17 Sep 2006 12:57:30 PM |
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"Fred J. McCall" <fmccall@earthlink.net> wrote in message
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"Tiglath" <temp4@tiglath.net> wrote:
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:"Fred J. McCall" <fmccall@earthlink.net> wrote in message
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:> "J Antero" <JAntero45@map.com> wrote:
:>
:> :
:> :"Fred J. McCall" <fmccall@earthlink.net> wrote in message
:> :news:0d1kg21akc3vepdm09i3ra3rcs7b1h0qjj@4ax.com...
:> :> "J Antero" <JAntero45@map.com> wrote:
:> :>
:> :> :
:> :> :"Sound of Trumpet" <soundoftrumpet@bluebottle.com> wrote in message
:> :> :news:1158264737.809526.67530@d34g2000cwd.googlegroups.com...
:> :> :>
:> :> :> http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-religion/1695644/posts
:> :> :>
:> :> :> Does Religion Make People Better or Worse?
:> :> :
:> :> :It makes them stupider.
:> :>
:> :> And seems to have the same effect on its rabid opponents.
:> :>
:> :> --
:> :
:> :
:> :> "The supreme satisfaction is to be able to despise one's
:> :> neighbour and this fact goes far to account for religious
:> :> intolerance. It is evidently consoling to reflect that the
:> :> people next door are headed for hell."
:> :> -- Aleister Crowley
:> :
:> :NoGall McCall's quote immediately above, is particularly inept.
:> :
:> :He takes the position of advocating religion, then gives a quote
:> criticizing
:> :religionists.
:>
:> And this just shows how stupid Ant Arrow is.
:>
:
:Ant Arrow?
:
:Is that supposed to be witty, Gordito?
No doubt it's beyond to make the logical leap required, Tiglet.
Wit that require logical leaps is not witty, Gordito.
Even your jeers and gibes give your opponents ammo to fire at you, dummie.
NoGall just can't make it in this jungle; he may be low in the food chain,
but as prey he is a whole food group.
God in his wisdom gave you the wit so that the Usenet village could have a
great idiot.
:> Where, pray tell, did I take a position advocating religion?
:>
:> Hint: I took a position denigrating folks on the other extreme, who
:> act just like their views are 'religion'. It's not the same thing at
:> all.
:>
:> :Moron.
:>
:> Indeed.
:
:Mr. Antero calls NoGall "moron" and NoGall replies "indeed."
:
:That's what people call a consensus.
Leave it to Tiglet of PooPoo Corner to be unable to actually read and
follow the entire sequence.
The sequence goes like this: Mr. Antero calls you a moron and you reply
"Indeed."
It means that NoGall suffers from sudden attacks of honesty.
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17 Sep 2006 11:26:41 PM |
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"Tiglath" <temp4@tiglath.net> wrote:
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:"Fred J. McCall" <fmccall@earthlink.net> wrote in message
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:> "Tiglath" <temp4@tiglath.net> wrote:
:> :
:> :"Fred J. McCall" <fmccall@earthlink.net> wrote in message
:> :news:mt9og2lk1mqf23f98jou24ejssekq8as0a@4ax.com...
:> :> "J Antero" <JAntero45@map.com> wrote:
:> :> :
:> :> :"Fred J. McCall" <fmccall@earthlink.net> wrote in message
:> :> :news:0d1kg21akc3vepdm09i3ra3rcs7b1h0qjj@4ax.com...
:> :> :> "J Antero" <JAntero45@map.com> wrote:
:> :> :> :
:> :> :> :"Sound of Trumpet" <soundoftrumpet@bluebottle.com> wrote in message
:> :> :> :news:1158264737.809526.67530@d34g2000cwd.googlegroups.com...
:> :> :> :>
:> :> :> :> http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-religion/1695644/posts
:> :> :> :>
:> :> :> :> Does Religion Make People Better or Worse?
:> :> :> :
:> :> :> :It makes them stupider.
:> :> :>
:> :> :> And seems to have the same effect on its rabid opponents.
:> :> :>
:> :> :> --
:> :> :> "The supreme satisfaction is to be able to despise one's
:> :> :> neighbour and this fact goes far to account for religious
:> :> :> intolerance. It is evidently consoling to reflect that the
:> :> :> people next door are headed for hell."
:> :> :> -- Aleister Crowley
:> :> :
:> :> :NoGall McCall's quote immediately above, is particularly inept.
:> :> :
:> :> :He takes the position of advocating religion, then gives a quote criticizing
:> :> :religionists.
:> :>
:> :> And this just shows how stupid Ant Arrow is.
:> :
:> :Ant Arrow?
:> :
:> :Is that supposed to be witty, Gordito?
:>
:> No doubt it's beyond to make the logical leap required, Tiglet.
:
:Wit that require logical leaps is not witty, Gordito.
In other words, you don't get it.
<snicker>
:> :> Where, pray tell, did I take a position advocating religion?
:> :>
:> :> Hint: I took a position denigrating folks on the other extreme, who
:> :> act just like their views are 'religion'. It's not the same thing at
:> :> all.
:> :>
:> :> :Moron.
:> :>
:> :> Indeed.
:> :
:> :Mr. Antero calls NoGall "moron" and NoGall replies "indeed."
:> :
:> :That's what people call a consensus.
:>
:> Leave it to Tiglet of PooPoo Corner to be unable to actually read and
:> follow the entire sequence.
:
:The sequence goes like this: Mr. Antero calls you a moron and you reply
:"Indeed."
Not exactly. There's something in front of that, which you of course
are once again too thick to get.
:It means that NoGall suffers from sudden attacks of honesty.
I'm always honest, Tiglet. It's why wankers like you dislike me so
much.
--
"False words are not only evil in themselves, but they infect the
soul with evil."
-- Socrates
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18 Sep 2006 01:46:52 AM |
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"Fred J. McCall" <fmccall@earthlink.net> wrote in message
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:> :>
:> :> And this just shows how stupid Ant Arrow is.
:> :
:> :Ant Arrow?
:> :
:> :Is that supposed to be witty, Gordito?
:>
:> No doubt it's beyond to make the logical leap required, Tiglet.
:
:Wit that require logical leaps is not witty, Gordito.
In other words, you don't get it.
<snicker>
Why don't you explain the hilarity in "Ant Arrow," NoGall to me and the Fair
Readers.
:> :> Where, pray tell, did I take a position advocating religion?
:> :>
:> :> Hint: I took a position denigrating folks on the other extreme, who
:> :> act just like their views are 'religion'. It's not the same thing
at
:> :> all.
:> :>
:> :> :Moron.
:> :>
:> :> Indeed.
:> :
:> :Mr. Antero calls NoGall "moron" and NoGall replies "indeed."
:> :
:> :That's what people call a consensus.
:>
:> Leave it to Tiglet of PooPoo Corner to be unable to actually read and
:> follow the entire sequence.
:
:The sequence goes like this: Mr. Antero calls you a moron and you reply
:"Indeed."
Not exactly. There's something in front of that, which you of course
are once again too thick to get.
:It means that NoGall suffers from sudden attacks of honesty.
I'm always honest, Tiglet. It's why wankers like you dislike me so
much.
You sound like your beloved president, NoGall.
Whatever came before the sequence I quoted, it doesn't mean that your answer
to "NoGall is a moron," was not "Indeed." In dialog, answers and that
which they answer to are paired by proximity, NoGall. I know your fuzzy
mind works in mysterious ways, but that is how discourse works. Here is
an example:
"Is NoGall a moron?"
"Indeed, he is."
The "Indeed" part refers to the immediately preceding phrase, same as your
"Indeed" referred to Mr. Antero's calling you a moron.
You now obviously regret calling yourself a moron in public, but how worse
can you look, really?
The archives don't lie, NoGall, no matter how much you buck and dance.
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14 Sep 2006 06:13:39 PM |
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"Sound of Trumpet" <soundoftrumpet@bluebottle.com> wrote in message
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http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-religion/1695644/posts
Does Religion Make People Better or Worse?
JUdging by our President, worse.
I have devoted much of my life to arguing that religion is the finest
vehicle for individuals and societies to become decent, good, moral
What an idiotic thing to say. Which societies had no religion, than were
improved by getting one?
(you choose the term you prefer). For example, in 2005, I devoted 24
columns to making the case for Judeo-Christian values as the finest
system of values ever devised.
As long as you don't actually read the values, it would seem that way.
Here's a clue - a broken clock is right more often than posters at
freerepublic
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18 Sep 2006 10:46:43 AM |
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"abracadabra" <abra@hotmail.com> writes:
"Sound of Trumpet" <soundoftrumpet@bluebottle.com> wrote in message
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http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-religion/1695644/posts
Does Religion Make People Better or Worse?
JUdging by our President, worse.
I have devoted much of my life to arguing that religion is the finest
vehicle for individuals and societies to become decent, good, moral
What an idiotic thing to say. Which societies had no religion, than were
improved by getting one?
He's quoting Dennis Prager, who has long been bigoted against atheists.
Prager is the type of person who thinks monotheism is per se moral.
---
Merlyn LeRoy
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| User: "Hotel Charlie One" |
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18 Sep 2006 11:00:54 AM |
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Brian Westley <westley@visi.com> wrote in
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"abracadabra" <abra@hotmail.com> writes:
"Sound of Trumpet" <soundoftrumpet@bluebottle.com> wrote in message
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http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-religion/1695644/posts
Does Religion Make People Better or Worse?
JUdging by our President, worse.
I have devoted much of my life to arguing that religion is the
finest vehicle for individuals and societies to become decent,
good, moral
What an idiotic thing to say. Which societies had no religion, than
were improved by getting one?
He's quoting Dennis Prager, who has long been bigoted against
atheists. Prager is the type of person who thinks monotheism is per
se moral.
Actually, years ago Prager was tolerant just like Dr. Laura was
tolerant of gays. Of course, their audience then was the L.A. basin.
Later, in a move no doubt to generate a national audience, they both
became bigots.
--
The actions of the disgraceful Clinton and Bush administrations
make it possible for me to say without shame that I deeply regret
the day I put the uniform of my country. The freedoms that I was
willing to protect with my life are being lost. The America of
our founders is dead. All we are waiting for now is rigor mortis.
HotelCharlieOne
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Off topic - abuse complaint filed
Brian Westley wrote:
"abracadabra" <abra@hotmail.com> writes:
"Sound of Trumpet" <soundoftrumpet@bluebottle.com> wrote in message
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http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-religion/1695644/posts
Does Religion Make People Better or Worse?
JUdging by our President, worse.
I have devoted much of my life to arguing that religion is the finest
vehicle for individuals and societies to become decent, good, moral
What an idiotic thing to say. Which societies had no religion, than were
improved by getting one?
He's quoting Dennis Prager, who has long been bigoted against atheists.
Prager is the type of person who thinks monotheism is per se moral.
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Merlyn LeRoy
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14 Sep 2006 08:39:10 PM |
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"Sound of Trumpet" <soundoftrumpet@bluebottle.com> wrote in message
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http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-religion/1695644/posts
Does Religion Make People Better or Worse?
Well, it doesn't make them better, witness Jonestown, and Heaven's Gate, and
pedophile priests, and cheezy televangelists, and mothers who cut off the
arms of their children.
Does it make them worse? Witness the scarcity of atheists that fly airliners
into skyscrapers.
--
Denis Loubet
dloubet@io.com
http://www.io.com/~dloubet
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| User: "Frank" |
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15 Sep 2006 01:32:05 AM |
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Denis Loubet wrote:
"Sound of Trumpet" <soundoftrumpet@bluebottle.com> wrote in message
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http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-religion/1695644/posts
Does Religion Make People Better or Worse?
Well, it doesn't make them better, witness Jonestown, and Heaven's Gate, and
pedophile priests, and cheezy televangelists, and mothers who cut off the
arms of their children.
Does it make them worse? Witness the scarcity of atheists that fly airliners
into skyscrapers.
--
Denis Loubet
dloubet@io.com
http://www.io.com/~dloubet
Of course there was also Origen who had himself castrated and the
generations of "pro-life" Roman popes who castrated their choir boys.
Frank.
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| User: "Paul Edwards" |
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14 Sep 2006 09:05:29 PM |
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"Sound of Trumpet" <soundoftrumpet@bluebottle.com> wrote in message news:1158264737.809526.67530@d34g2000cwd.googlegroups.com...
Does Religion Make People Better or Worse?
It is DOGMA that is the problem. A religion that
is based on science is what is required, to counteract
our inherent nature of being selfish predators.
See the 3rd link of www.moatazilla.org
BFN. Paul.
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